Hour 3 - Hollywood Freefall

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 3 – Hollywood Freefall

Date: April 2, 2026

Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview:

In this episode titled “Hollywood Freefall,” Clay Travis and Buck Sexton cover a mix of breaking political headlines and major cultural issues, focusing especially on California’s political turmoil, the decline of Hollywood, and national legal debates. Special guests include California lawyer and commentator Katie Zachariah and author and pundit Ann Coulter, who offer sharp insights into attorney general appointments, California's gubernatorial landscape, and the Supreme Court’s recent immigration cases. The hosts also field passionate listener feedback, discuss the decline of the entertainment industry, and debate the impact of current policies on both local life and national law.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Breaking News & California's Attorney General Shakeup

[01:34 - 02:51]

• Buck announces Pam Bondi’s firing as Attorney General, with rumors swirling about her next steps and the impact on Trump’s administration.
• Guest Katie Zachariah (lawyer): Praises alternative choices for AG, notably Todd Blanche, describing him as “savage” and “cutthroat” for his strong legal defense of Trump.
  • Quote (02:51, Katie Zachariah):
    “Todd Blanche... stood behind President Trump during the off years. He risked his career to defend him in court. He is savage and he is cutthroat and I absolutely like him.”

The Eric Swalwell Factor & California's Political Crisis

[03:28 - 07:01]

• Discussion centers on rumors about Eric Swalwell’s gubernatorial ambitions despite scandals involving alleged Chinese espionage connections. Zachariah suggests Democrats stick with Swalwell due to a lack of viable alternatives.
  • Quote (04:24, Katie Zachariah):
    “They’re banking on Swalwell because they don’t have anyone else... What he doesn’t have against him is he has good hair.”
• Buck expresses disbelief that Swalwell remains electable after such national security concerns.
  • Quote (05:22, Buck Sexton):
    “Isn’t it crazy, Katie, that he could be having allegedly a sexual relationship with a Chinese spy...? I just can't believe that he's electable anywhere.”
• Zachariah highlights Democrats’ lack of strong candidates and forecasts that current mismanagement (economic, tax, energy, and industry collapse) could turn even California red.

Hollywood’s Decline: Causes and Implications

[07:01 - 11:06]

• Clay notes the historic downturn in Hollywood employment—up to 60–70% job loss, with productions moving to cheaper locations like Georgia, Ireland, Budapest, and Vancouver.
• Zachariah links the decline to bad governance, punitive taxes, cost of living, and “woke” content distancing Hollywood from American audiences.
  • Quote (08:05, Clay Travis):
    “The jobs are down, what, like 60, 70%? I mean it’s in free fall. Do people realize... this is because of policy?”
  • Quote (08:25, Katie Zachariah):
    “They’re selling woke. Woke. And people are now finding alternative forms of entertainment... looking towards alternative studios like Angel Studios...”
• Buck reminds listeners the decline impacts not just Hollywood elites but working-class Republicans in supporting roles—set builders, camera operators, etc.

Underrepresentation of Conservatives in California

[11:06 - 12:10]

• Zachariah contends that many Californians secretly align with conservative values, supporting Trump and opposing the current progressive status quo.
  • Quote (11:06, Katie Zachariah):
    “We feel like the unrepresented, underrepresented majority here... this state would not be blue and it would not even be deep blue. I think we would be purple to red.”

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Listener Feedback & Podcast Expansion

[15:23 - 21:13]

• The hosts highlight the show’s evolution into a national media force, integrating listener feedback and upholding open debate, even with Democratic guests.
• Both host and callers express skepticism about Democrat candidates taking Republican positions and critique politicians' evasive answers regarding party loyalty.
  • Quote (16:45, Buck Sexton):
    “If someone voted for Kamala Harris over Donald Trump, I would be hard pressed to vote for them for any office in the country.”
• The hosts reinforce their commitment to fair questioning and respectful discourse, with equal time for major candidates.

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Ann Coulter on the Supreme Court and Birthright Citizenship

[22:05 - 37:45]

The Supreme Court’s Immigration Debate

• Ann Coulter joins to discuss the Supreme Court’s debate on the Constitutional meaning of birthright citizenship, historically rooted in the 14th Amendment.
  • Quote (22:51, Ann Coulter):
    “The 14th Amendment... applied only to freed slaves... It was all about black Americans. That’s all it was about.”
• Coulter details historic cases, spotlighting how recent interpretations have lost touch with original intent and criticizing the confusion between legal and illegal immigrants.
  • Quote (24:47, Ann Coulter):
    “For the first 400 years... we weren’t a welfare state... Now we have a big illegal immigration problem.”
  • Ann critiques the “anchor baby” phenomenon as judicial and legislative overreach.
    • Quote (27:55, Ann Coulter):
      “Citizenship shouldn’t be a game of, you know, Red Rover. I beat you, I hid from border patrol, and dropped a baby.”

Media Narratives and Judicial Interpretations

• Coulter warns that mainstream media presumes outcomes before Supreme Court decisions are made and distorts the legal arguments for public consumption.
  • Quote (30:28, Ann Coulter):
    “The media—they’ve already decided how the case is coming out... But as Clay knows, you can never tell from oral argument.”

SCOTUS Personalities & AG Picks

• Buck presses Coulter to evaluate Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson’s performance; Coulter contrasts her with prior liberal justices and credits her for certain nuanced positions.
• Ann’s fantasy picks for Attorney General: jokes about Dan Bongino, then earnestly suggests legal scholar Paul Cassell, lauding his integrity and work for crime victims’ rights.
  • Quote (36:33, Ann Coulter):
    “Paul Cassell. He’s brilliant. He wrote the Victims Civil Rights act... He was put on the 10th Circuit by Bush. He didn’t like being a judge. He’s absolutely brilliant.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Katie Zachariah, on Hollywood’s decline:
  “They’re selling woke. Woke. And people are now finding alternative forms of entertainment... looking towards alternative studios like Angel Studios.” (08:25)
• Buck Sexton, regarding Swalwell:
  “The idea that Eric Swalwell could be in charge of California, as bad as Gavin Newsom has been, I think Swalwell would be orders of magnitude worse.” (05:22)
• Ann Coulter on anchor babies:
  “This isn’t about birthright citizenship... a completely different category from... an eight month pregnant Mexican who runs across the border.” (27:55)
• Clay Travis on Democratic guests:
  “If AOC would come on this show, we would have her on... Respect will always be met with respect here.” (17:36)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:34 — Pam Bondi’s firing, speculation about new AG
• 02:51 — Katie Zachariah endorses Todd Blanche for AG
• 04:24 — Eric Swalwell’s political prospects in scandal-ridden California
• 07:01 — Hollywood job loss, policy-driven decline discussion
• 08:25 — Woke content and rise of alternative studios
• 11:06 — Underrepresentation of conservatives in California
• 15:23 — Listener reactions and show expansion
• 22:05 — Ann Coulter joins: SCOTUS and birthright citizenship
• 30:28 — Mainstream media misrepresentations on SCOTUS debate
• 36:33 — Coulter endorses Paul Cassell for AG

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Closing Listener Callbacks & Lighthearted Moments

• Listeners thank the hosts for gifts and share humorous reactions to show pranks (40:34–41:33).
• Hosts reiterate the importance of community, support, and lively engagement.

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Summary Tone & Language

The discussion is pointed, often humorous, and unabashedly conservative, blending legal analysis with cultural commentary and political strategy. The guests and hosts are candid, sometimes caustic, but maintain a conversational and accessible style.

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For Further Engagement

• Ann Coulter’s Substack: In-depth legal writing on current SCOTUS cases
• Angel Studios: Example of alternative, non-woke entertainment platforms
• Legacy Box, Sabre Radio: Mentioned as personal endorsements (product segments skipped per instructions)

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Katie Zachariah]

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[Buck Sexton]

Pledge.com third hour Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton show we are rolling through with a ton of different breaking news stories. We've been talking about the firing that just happened while we were live on the air. At the top of the second hour of Pam Bondi as Attorney General, President Trump says she is going to move into the private sector. We have been talking about the situation in Iran, the launch of Artemis 2 and the address that President Trump had last night. We are now joined by Katie Zachariah. She is a lawyer. She has got a lot of different opinions on a variety of topics. But Katie, thanks for joining us. Right off the top, Pam Bondi is out. You're a lawyer. I floated several names. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, the both Senators Mike Lee and Ted Cruz. There are reports that Lee Zeldin might be the choice. If you sort of had a magic wand and you were able to put names into the mix for attorney general based on your legal background, anybody that stands out to you that you think would do a good job as attorney

[Katie Zachariah]

general, well, you had a great list there. And Governor DeSantis has done an excellent job in Florida. And I'd love to juxtapose that with our disaster out here in California. But when I look at attorney general, I look at, really, I like Todd Blanche a lot. That man stood behind President Trump during the off years. He risked his career to defend him in court. He is savage and he is cutthroat and I absolutely like him. So if he does a great job as acting ag, I think that they should put him permanently in that position and he should be there to support the president. I think he is a great pick.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay.

[Clay Travis]

Hey, Katie, it's Buck. There's some stories out there, not confirmed yet, but that have to do with the departure of Pam Bondi and something along the lines of an investigation that was going on into Swalwell, who, as we all know is, unless I'm missing something, supposed to be the next governor of California, according to the Democrats. Right. Is there any way in your mind, as a, as a Californian and a lawyer, is there any way in your mind that Swalwell might get pushed aside by the Democrats based on, I'm not saying a Republican is going to win in California, but if something really, really tough comes out, let's just say in this investigation into Swalwell, his ties to the Chinese spy, this is the stuff that's out there. Is it easy for them, you think, to move somebody else into the slot? Or is Swalwell the Democrats guy in California, come what may?

[Katie Zachariah]

Great question, but who are they going to put in? Katie Porter. Right. Like, I think they're banking on Swalwell because they don't have anyone else. And if he turns out to be have this, you know, he has this situation with where does he live? Is he in California or is he, was it D.C. or Maryland or Virginia? He had another residence. And so he has a lot of factors against him. What he doesn't have against him is he has good hair, which, you know, the, the current governor has gray hair. And that's what he's going to run for president on. And that's about it. And I think he has right now the support of the Democrat Party, but they're going to have to do a hard line with him. And as soon as this stuff starts trickling out he has a long history of this. This is, this is not new about Swalwell. He's just kind of flown under the radar for a long time. And reports are indicating that he may or may not have been friends with Pam Bondi. I don't know the veracity of that, but if he now doesn't have a friend as AG maybe we're going to see a little bit more about Eric Swalwell coming out, in my opinion.

[Buck Sexton]

Isn't it crazy, Katie, that he could be having allegedly a sexual relationship with a Chinese spy? I believe Fang Fang. And that he could. Now, I, I sometimes people get elected and I might not agree with him, but I can sit back and say, okay, you know what? I can see how that the idea that Eric Swalwell could be in charge of California, as bad as Gavin Newsom has been, I think Swalwell would be orders of magnitude worse. And again, he allegedly slept with a Chinese spy. I just can't believe that he's electable anywhere.

[Katie Zachariah]

Correct. We need to start going after him on all of those things. He, he hasn't done anything for California. It's all been, it's all really been him promoting himself. And that's what we've seen with most of these government officials out of California and really in a lot of places. But he should not be a serious contender. But this is a problem that the Democrat Party faces on a presidential. They don't have good candidates right now, and so they're pulling from Gavin Newsom. And our state is now, we're bankrupt. Everyone's fleeing Los Angeles in droves. Hollywood can't make a film here. Industry's crashing. President Trump has to have an emergency order to drill oil from our, you know, my entire state over a gold bed of oil. And they're not doing anything about it. So, look, the Democrat Party is in free fall. And I think that this is going to come back to haunt Swalwell, and we're going to be left with a Katie Porter, which means we're probably going to have a Republican governor.

[Clay Travis]

It's amazing. We're speaking to Katie Zachariah. It's amazing that you mentioned Hollywood in there now. It's fine for a while. I think the talking points from the Democrats have been, we're the global media power or, you know, global entertainment powerhouse, and it's all, Hollywood's doing great. And look at this. And look at that. And now, finally, the numbers have come out for people that work in this arena. I'm not talking about Netflix executives who can just write checks to have the show made in Budapest or Vancouver, which is that, that's actually happening a lot because it's so much cheaper for anyone who lives in Los Angeles county, which has been for 100 years. With Hollywood, the, the epicenter of the global film and entertainment industry, it's a, it's turning into a ghost town for that industry. Right. The jobs are down what like 60, 70%. I mean it's in free fall. Do people realize that this is because of policy, because of what has been done by the governance by the governing bodies of California?

[Katie Zachariah]

Well, I hope so, because if you look, if you look at this trajectory this has really been in, I mean Gavin Newsom inherited a little bit of this. But the freefall has really been happening since then and it goes into the wider story of Hollywood. They're not making movies that Americans want to see anymore. And so they're, you know, they're selling woke. Woke.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

Woke.

[Katie Zachariah]

And, and people are now finding alternative forms of entertainment and looking towards alternative studios like angel studios to find family friendly non woke material that they can watch with their entire family. So listen, what's happening in Hollywood with the taxes? People can't afford it. So you have an actor or an aspiring actor who comes out here and wants to work in Hollywood. They can't even afford a one bedroom apartment in the middle of West Hollywood or really in any of the surrounding regions. So it's a whole problem of affordability, taxes, material that they can't use and the decline of Hollywood in general. And so they're going to places like Georgia. I myself went to go to have a film, a film filmed in Ireland because it was a quarter of the cost to do it in Ireland. This was a young George Washington film that's going to be coming out. But they had to film this whole thing in Ireland because the tax incentives are so terrible and in the United States. So Los Angeles is just, they never get it right right now and there's a mass exodus because you cannot afford to live here and be an aspiring actor or really an aspiring entrepreneur. Entrepreneur.

[Buck Sexton]

Katie, did I just hear that you have a role in Young George Washington?

[Katie Zachariah]

My, my husband is an executive producer on the film. So yes, I just, we, we got to go to Ireland and travel for that film, which was an exciting, exciting time.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, that's super cool. And I do think this is important and I've said it quite a lot. I've spent a lot of time in la. I have a lot of great friends in la. Probably the second City that I've spent the second most time in and almost in my life. And I've done a lot of television. And Katie, I'm sure you've seen this, too, and I've talked about it on the program before. But sometimes people hear, oh, well, there's a lot less jobs for Hollywood. Good, I hope they wear it. Actually, a lot of the people losing those jobs are Republicans. A lot of the people who build the sets, a lot of the people who walk around and carry the cameras, a lot of the people who do the physical labor that is required to make movie and television shows and commercials actually vote red. So they don't even share the politics of the people that are costing them their jobs. And I do think that's worth keeping in mind that, remember, there are in 2020, there were more Republican votes for Donald Trump in California than in Texas in 2020. Now, that's a function of population. But Katie, there are a lot of people who agree with you, me and Buck that live all over California.

[Katie Zachariah]

Well, that's the case. And we feel like the unrepresented, underrepresented majority here because you have a lot of frustration. But again, California shows exactly why sanctuary states should not happen, exactly why we should have the SAVE act, and exactly why we should be able to regulate who's voting in our elections. Because if everything gets cleaned up and you have proof of citizenship and you have people that are supposed to be voting only voting in California, this state would not be blue and it would not be even deep blue. I think we would be purple to red based on what you just said. Most Californians do not agree with the current governance. Most Californians do like President Trump and his policies and want more of President Trump's policies, but have been completely stomped on by the Democrat Party in California. And if you look at the fraud on top of that, we're paying a high, high price to continue with these sanctuary policies and sanctuary politicians.

[Clay Travis]

Katie Zachariah, former spokesman at dhs, spokesperson and lawyer out in California, appreciate you being with us. We'll talk to you again soon. You're, you're going to have to be our chief analyst of all things Swalwell for governor out there. That's going to be interesting.

[Katie Zachariah]

Count on me, Buck. I'd love to do it.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Cancer Patient Advocate]

need to be healthy every day to

[Katie Zachariah]

survive it and go through the next chemo round and the next chemo round. So it's important that work was part of that to keep my mind busy for eight, nine hours. And then I had to go back and face the reality. I had a goal and the goal is to survive.

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Got a bunch of talk facts and calls we wanted to get to here and maybe we'll even have an update for you on the next AG if that is announced formally. We know Pam Bondi has she is moving on to greener pastures. There you go. This is let's do Jay, podcast listener Josh from Georgia on that Georgia candidate interview we just did. Hit hit Jay, please love the show

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

and I love having these Democrat Republican on for guests.

[Clay Travis]

This guy from Georgia, in my opinion, I'm from Georgia and in my opinion,

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

he's full of crap.

[Clay Travis]

He's saying what he to say to

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

try to get the Republican vote to get to win.

[Clay Travis]

That's just my honest opinion.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

Take it as you leave it.

[Clay Travis]

I'm in there and I'm not voting for him.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

But he does talk a good game.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. I'm just going to say it. I asked him this, so it's nothing. I didn't say to the gentleman when he called in. If you're going to take nothing but Republican positions, you got to be with the Republican Party. Right. It's kind of a weird deal.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, that's why, look, I, first of all, he reached out to us. He wanted to come on. He wanted to talk to all of you. I respect that. I would want to talk to all of you if I were running for office, frankly, at any position, because this is one of the biggest audiences you can talk to anywhere in the country. But I asked, I mean, I think if someone voted for Kamala Harris over Donald Trump, I would be hard pressed to vote for them for any office in the country.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's a disqualifying judgment call. Yes, I would agree with that entirely. Yeah. Again, just to be clear, everybody, we're not endorsing that guy. We have, there are rules, there are FCC rules we had on somebody who's running for that seat. This guy is running for the seat as well from the Democrat side. He has to come on. We're respecting the rules and fair play. So that's, that's where this is. It's not an editorial judgment either way.

[Buck Sexton]

I actually think it speaks well to the growth of the show that this show has gotten so big. And look, Rush built an incredible foundation, but the show didn't exist on podcasts, the show didn't exist on video. We have to compete in a way in the marketplace that did not exist. We have to be every platform.

[Clay Travis]

We have to be every platform. Okay? This is not just a radio show. It's a radio show. It's a podcast, it's a stream, it's. It's video, it's clips that go on everything from Instagram to TikTok to Facebook to. This is just the nature of communication these days in the media marketplace. This is the reality. So. But as it pertains to having Democrats on, I'm going to tell you, this guy's. I'm going to tell you this right now. If AOC would come on this show, we would have her on the show. We would ask her the kind of questions that should be asked, and maybe it would get very contentious. Maybe if she was respectful, we would ask her questions, we'd press her on some things. But respect will always be met with respect here. And so I just want to be clear about that. It's not that we're not afraid to have Democrats on. It's just one, are they worth hearing from? And two, you know, are they willing to come on in the first place? That's actually the bigger one.

[Buck Sexton]

The bigger problem is, to be fair, most are afraid to come on. By the way, podcast listener, what do we just play? We played Josh from Georgia. Right. Terry says this is l. That was

[Clay Travis]

an interesting interview with Sean Harris. Thank you for having him on. I wish you had asked him, though, after he was wishy washy on supporting Hakeem Jeffries for speaker, what Democrat congressperson would he consider supporting for speaker if someone else was running? Yeah, I'm gonna tell you. I mean, that's a fair point. I just want to say, Clay, that. That again, with respect to the gentleman who called in and respect to him, he served his country for 40 years. Whenever you're saying in an interview, I'm not trying to dodge the question, you're usually dodging the question. So. So he was like. He was like, I'm not dodging this. I'm gonna.

[Buck Sexton]

I think you're kind of dodging this. The reason I do think that question matters so much is you can be a moderate Democrat, moderate Republican, but ultimately, when you have basically a 50, 50 divided government who you vote for as speaker or who you vote for as Senate Majority Leader. Is this positive?

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

And so he didn't commit a hundred percent to voting for Hakeem Jeffries, but he also said he'd have to consider who else was running. I thought that was kind of interesting. And this is an intriguing race only because there's a special election. I believe it's in May, and then they turn around and have the full election in November, which is a little bit odd because Marjorie Taylor Greene dropped out. Now, David from Alabama, I don't know if he's a War Eagle or Crimson Tide guy. He's mad. Cut.

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[Clay Travis]

of your audience as he was speaking? It came right as he said he is a Democrat.

[Buck Sexton]

Doesn't happen.

[Clay Travis]

I, I just disagree with this. I mean, I just totally disagree with this. I think that this. We have way too much respect for this audience to think that you're, you know, people's ears are too sensitive to hear the words of. We play clips from Democrats all the time. And if someone's going to come on the show who is a worthwhile, whether it's because they're running in an important race or because they're important on a national issue, again, we're not going to have random Democrat members of Congress on that no one's ever heard of. There's a waste of your time. This guy's running, he's running for a competitive. Well, maybe it's not competitive, but he's got equal time requirements for that seat because we had on his competitor. So there we go.

[Buck Sexton]

I will say this. I've been doing radio for 20 years. No one who has ever said I'm never gonna listen again has ever done it. They always email again two weeks later and they're like, I'm mad again and I'm never listening again. This is just a lesson for radio.

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[Buck Sexton]

Travis Buck Sexton show rolling through the Thursday edition of the program, we are joined now by Ann Coulter. And Buck and I wanted to have you on because as we were watching the Supreme Court debate on birthright citizenship, you probably more than first of all, thanks for coming on, but you probably more than anyone out there in the entire media space made this a real conversation worth having. And I really believe that one of the reasons why that debate occurred in the Supreme Court earlier this week was you. What was your reaction while you watched it and what do you think as a lawyer analyzing lawyer questions is likely to come from this case?

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

Well, thank you. And I'm thrilled that it made it to the Supreme Court. It's sort of a confusing case because in simplest terms, the 14th Amendment, as I've said over and over again, and anyone vaguely familiar with American history knows the 14th amendment, talk about who is a citizen, applied only to freed slaves. It was about the Supreme Court held that over and over and over again. And it's kind of obvious from the history of our country. We just fought a bloody civil war. All these 13th, 14th, 15th amendment added it was all about black Americans. That's all it was about. So what happened in the tricky thing is in Wong Kim Ark, you've probably heard a lot about that came up a lot in the discussion. The court found that illegal immigrants born in the US Was a citizen. It shouldn't have held that. I think the decision was wrong, but it was trying to correct a ridiculous injustice of the Chinese Exclusion act, which not only forbade any Chinese citizens from entering the United States, but apparently re entering. And this was applied to this kid who had, well, it wasn't a kid. He was 21 years old. His parents had been living in the United States. They weren't allowed to become citizens because they were Chinese, but they were living legally here. They ran a business. They were here for, I don't know, 20 years. He was born here. They went back to China. He continued to live here in the US all in San Francisco with a home, jobs, businesses, and he had gone back to visit his parents. He comes back again and they won't let him enter. Now, what the Supreme Court should have done, I'M sorry. I hope this isn't getting too boring, but it's very important and is vital to what John Sauer, this Clay is a legal nerd.

[Clay Travis]

He's super excited about it, actually.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm actually loving this answer going.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

Okay, good.

[Clay Travis]

I'll.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

I'll wrap up the boring part quickly. What they should have ruled is under the 14th amendment, they had all the court had already held. And I think it's correct in yick woe that you can't. The government can't deprive citizen or resident of life, liberty or property without due process of law. It should have been decided under. Under that part of the 14th amendment. I think it wasn't because illegal immig didn't exist back then. I mean, for the first 400 years of our nation's history, we weren't a welfare state. So, you know, you came to the US and sink or swim, as I described in adios America. About 40% of immigrants used to go home because if they couldn't make it, they'd have to go back to Italy or back to wherever. So we didn't need rules on illegal immigrants. We weren't getting, you know, sinking them in the warm bath of social welfare. Now we have a big illegal immigration problem. I was wondering why Sauer was talking so much about domicile and clearly what he was doing. And I think the case is clear, and I think he's right. You read through Wong Ark Kim, and although the court was saying, well, he's a citizen, instead of saying he's a resident and you've taken his property, I mean, he has some property, he's paying rent, he has a bicycle, he has a coffee machine, he has clothes that he left here. He's lived here his whole life. What they were really distinguishing between is what I think we all want to distinguish between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. They didn't think of it back then because nobody talked about illegal immigrants. There were no illegal immigrants. But domicile is basically the same thing as legal immigrants. And luckily, blue states, with all the residents fleeing to cheaper tax jurisdictions, they have very strict laws about what constitutes a domicile. But you have to be living legally, obeying laws. You can have done nothing to disturb your allegiance to our country. Well, off the top of my head, illegal aliens have broken our laws by coming in illegally, residing illegally, often using illegal Social Security cards, to say nothing of rape. DUIs, running drug cartels. Are they using fake IDs? They're allegedly living in the shadows. Okay, that is not Allegiance to our country. So the domicile argument is just a synonym for legal versus illegal. How did illegal the children of illegal aliens ever get alleged citizenship in the first place? Well, the court has never held that. The Congress has never passed such a law. It was as I describe in a chapter in Adigos America. Justice Brennan gave us anchor babies. It was a footnote in a Justice William Brennan, lunatic liberal on the Supreme Court. And I think it was a 1983 case. It was a very recent case. They keep watching MSNBC and reading the New York Times and they act like it goes back to the Mayflower. If you're born on US soil. I don't know. Justice Brennan made it up out of whole cloth in 19 I think 82 imply larvido. It was dicta meaning, as you know, Clay, no legal bearing, no other justice signed onto it. He dropped a footnote saying, I see no difference in legal and illegal immigrants. Well, there's the difference that one's legal and one's illegal. There's kind of a big difference. So that's really what we're driving at. And that's part of the reason I've been very insistent that we call the children of illegal aliens anchor babies. This isn't about birthright citizenship, which every headline calls it. Birthright citizenship is the child born to legal immigrants living here with our consent. We have invited them. I mean, I think we've invited way too many. Nonetheless, they are here legally. Children born on US soil to legal immigrants are a completely different category from, you know, an eight month pregnant Mexican who runs across the border. Citizenship shouldn't be a game of, you know, Red Rover. I beat. I beat you. I hid from. From border patrol and dropped away, baby.

[Katie Zachariah]

Ha ha ha.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

You can't.

[Clay Travis]

And can I, can I jump in just to ask you about. So you' about the crossing over the board. By the way, you guys can read Ann's latest on this on her substack. But the thing that I believe and this came up actually with Sauer and it was Justice Roberts and it was. I feel like at the. It was really just Justice Roberts saying, yeah, if this collapses America and it's the end of us, you know, sorry, that's the deal. But he's talking about how if you have people who can come here from China specifically to game the system where they come here and yeah, they're probably lying on those forms and there's some laws they're breaking. Of course they come here. They have a baby here, they go back to China and then at age 18, they say, hey, I'm applying to UCLA as an in state US citizen resident in California. Oh, and I want to have my whole family brought in along with me. So it's like basically a version of the anchor baby scam, just run over a different timeline. How is this supposed to be a country if the Supreme Court tells us, which I'm worried they might. Yeah, that's totally legit. As American as apple pie. The guy who's lived in Beijing for 20 years and spent, you know, his first five days in America.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

Yes. And one of the stunning things that came out in oral argument was when General Sauer said there are. He was asked how many birth tourism, quote, citizens there are in the US and he gave some figures. It's estimated, you know, 100,000, maybe more than 100,000, but he said there are 50, I think. It wasn't 500, was it?

[Clay Travis]

No, it's 505. 500. 500 of these.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

I was just saying I thought that can't be 500 birth tourism businesses in China. It's utter madness. No country would do this. The reason I. The domicile issue was so big, I thought it was kind of weird because you've never heard anyone argue that, read Wang Kim Ark and you understand that domicile is a proxy for legal versus illegal. Oh, and I will also say for your viewers who consume the mainstream media, I noticed that the media, they've already decided how the case is coming out. And, you know, maybe they're right. But as Clay knows, you can never tell from oral argument. And in particular, I mean, there were tough questions on both sides. The tough questions for. For our side, that is truth and justice. Liberal commentators take as well. See, they're giving away their positions. They don't like what Sarah's saying. The tough questions for the other side, they're just testing their arguments. You know, it's not the reverse. So the point is, you don't know, we don't know. It seems to me the most logical answer to this is to go with the domicile, which as a proxy for legal versus illegal. This does not go back to the Mayflower. It doesn't go back to the 14th amendment. It goes back to dicta in a footnote in a Justice spread, an opinion from the 80s.

[Buck Sexton]

And you have covered the Supreme Court for a long time. You've watched a lot of oral arguments, listened to them. Where does Katanji Brown Jackson rank when it comes to least qualified Supreme Court justices of your life? Is there even Someone that you would put in a matchup against her. Because every time we have an oral argument, I just look around and I'm like, she doesn't even sound like she has the remotest clue of the issues that are at stake.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

Well, a couple points on that, indirectly answering your question, but I'm answering your question. One of the interesting things I thought from oral argument yesterday was the very first question after General Sauer finished his very brief argument came from the generally silence Justice Clarence Thomas. And what did he ask about Dred Scott? How does this relate to Dred Scott? Because that's the point. The 14th Amendment. And it really annoys me that they applied it to a Chinese guy when they should have just said, your property has been taken. You're being deprived of life. Well, you're being deprived of liberty and property without due process, just being excluded after running a business and owning all this property back in San Francisco. But like I say, illegal immigration wasn't a problem, so it didn't really occur to them, oh, let's just give away citizenship. So very interestingly, I thought the one of two black justices was zeroing in on that point, which is why I wonder about Ketanji Brown Jackson on this. I mean, doesn't it matter to her that, you know, the Civil War, these are post Civil War amendments. Aren't. Aren't African Americans getting sick of every immigrant group piggybacking on their experience in America? As I've said a million times, all discrimination laws, you should be able to discriminate against whomever you want. Except African Americans. We have carved out a special position for them because they got the short end of the stick for about 200 years in this country. I'm not sure affirmative action always works well yet. And still the idea that they're extending it to women and gays and the disabled. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And Ketanji Brown Jackson generally. Two more points on that. I will take eight Katanji Brown Jacksons over a single William Brennan. And finally, one point in her favor. Interestingly enough, when the NRA sued New York State for. I don't know if you remember, they were, of course, New York State. They're coming up. They just. The Attorney general, they are the one who went after. After Trump was also just trying to. Yes, she's just trying to put conservative businesses or operations like the nra, like VD or the immigration website out of business through. Whoa. Those were the first lawfare cases. Ketanji Brown Jackson, I believe she was agreeing that what New York State had done was outrageous. It was discriminatory. It was a violation of their free speech rights. She dropped a footnote saying, I think the case vdare has brought is way stronger than the NRA cases. So I give her credit for that.

[Clay Travis]

And real quick, I'm not going to ask you to weigh in too much on the Pam Bondi things. We've talked about it, and I don't know if there's solidarity between blonde ladies with law degrees or not, but who do you think? Who do you think should be the next ag? We haven't gotten official word of this yet. Who would you want to see of the. Of the possible contenders that are out there?

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

Is Dan Bongino a lawyer? Because my main complaint with Bondi, I mean, what I don't. What I don't like about it is if it had been over her handling of the Epstein files, I'd say, way to go, Mr. President. But I gather she was following his orders on that. And I don't know, maybe the media is lying to me, but if it's just over not pursuing the revenge prosecutions, which I think are legit, but it's important. It's not as important as building the wall, deporting illegals, protecting Americans from rank discrimination against white people. You know, the stuff Trump ran on.

[Clay Travis]

All right, but who do you want then? Who do you want? Everyone's listening. Who do you want? Who would be good?

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

I want to. Dan Bongino. Is he a lawyer?

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, that's a funny answer. Who, like, let's pretend. Let's pretend that you could get. You got this pick, right? It's like fantasy draft. Who would be the best possible Attorney General in terms of implementing all the things that you care about the most? Is there a name where you're like, this person's brilliant. This person's got all the tactical skill.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

Paul Cassell. He's brilliant. He's as brilliant as. He's one of the top lawyers in the country. He wrote the Victims Civil Rights act that all of the Epstein victims generally. But Epstein victims sued under. He was the first one to bring that case on behalf of the Jane does because prosecutors around the country, federal. It only applies to federal prosecutors, obviously, federal law. They were just striking plea deals with monstrous criminals without even alerting the family. I mean, forget the Epstein victims. All criminal victims were being abused by federal prosecutors. So Cassell wrote this law and then. And then happened to notice that all these both in the state prosecution. We can't do anything under a federal law. With that and the federal prosecution, these Epstein victims weren't even. And these are the original ones, the real ones, the absolutely uncontestable ones. The deal that Alex Acosta struck, they weren't even notified of. So he spearheaded that case. He's brilliant. He was put on the 10th Circuit by Bush. He didn't like being a judge. He's a professor. He's absolutely brilliant. And he also pushed for a long time to get Miranda overturned.

[Clay Travis]

All right.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

Which he's.

[Clay Travis]

And, and we got. We are in a hard break. We're in a hard break. So we got to go. We got to go. Annual. We'll have you back. And Coulter on substack. Go check it out. Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Cancer Patient Advocate]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

welcome back in Clay and Buck. Let's close out with some great talkbacks. We'll start with M from Good Morning

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

Clay and Buck, producer Ally, Producer Greg, this is Linda from Green Valley. Just wanted to let you know the autographed cap came today. Thank you so very much. Much. It's just been such an honor.

[Katie Zachariah]

Thank you so much.

[Clay Travis]

Well Linda, thank you for all the Americans that spent less time in the airport because of your brilliant idea and Trump running with it. Fantastic. And C hit C. This is Steven

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

Texas commenting on Ali's April Fool's joke with the puppies. Ellie Ew, that's gross.

[Clay Travis]

Come on puppies.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

This is a sacred line.

[Clay Travis]

You don't cross the line of puppies. The holy line of puppy debarkation. You don't cross it. You asked me that. Moby dodged a bullet with this one. Oh, a Moby shot at the end. Producer Ally, we will let you respond tomorrow with your own talk back or come on the show. That was harsh.

[Cancer Patient Advocate]

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[Clay Travis]

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