Hour 3 - How About Justice?

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show - Hour 3: How About Justice?

Date: September 9, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, iHeartPodcasts
Main Theme: A deep dive into the murder of a Ukrainian woman on the Charlotte light rail, failures in the justice system, the cultural response to violent crime, and bipartisan calls for public safety.

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Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton focus on a shocking murder on a Charlotte, NC, light rail: a Ukrainian woman, recently arrived in the US, was killed by a man with a long history of violent crime. They interrogate the justice system’s failures—especially in “blue” urban areas—emphasize the lack of public response during the crime, and discuss broader implications for law and order. Special guest Congressman Tim Moore (R-NC) joins to discuss legislative efforts and calls for accountability, while the hosts and callers highlight the needed balance between justice for victims and rights for the accused. Donald Trump’s response to the incident is played and analyzed, and the episode ends with a discussion on societal apathy, media bias, and the urgent demand for real justice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Charlotte Light Rail Murder and Broken Justice Systems

• Incident Recap:

  • A Ukrainian woman was stabbed to death on Charlotte public transit by a repeat violent offender with 14 prior arrests ([02:58–03:45]).
  • Video footage shows bystanders failing to assist the victim during and after the attack.

• Systemic Breakdown:

  • The perpetrator’s repeated release, despite his record, is attributed to “soft-on-crime” policies and left-leaning magistrates/judges in urban centers ([04:53–06:35]).
  • Congressman Tim Moore:

    “What we've seen ... is absolutely disgusting. And it's a breakdown in the system ... These liberal judges ... just are soft on crime … This guy should have never been on the street.” ([04:53])

• Reaction from North Carolina’s Only Republican Charlotte Congressman (Tim Moore):

  • Widespread outrage and calls for accountability.
  • The issue is not isolated; similar instances occur nationwide.

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2. Judicial Accountability and Proposed Legislation

• Removal of Magistrate Judge Teresa Stokes:

  • Moore emphasizes Judge Stokes’ lack of bar certification and readiness.
  • Explains that magistrate judges (vs. elected judges) can be removed by district court judges, and criticizes the current process ([07:05–07:49]).

• Comparison to Other Professions’ Accountability:

  • Clay draws a parallel between judges and bartenders, questioning why personal liability isn’t applied to judges for releasing dangerous individuals ([07:49–08:38]).

  • Moore’s Proposed Solution:

    “We're actually looking right now at personal liability for a judge who turns someone loose and then goes out and commits a crime thereafter. ... Maybe that's the way to get people's attention.” ([08:38–09:41])

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3. Role of Federal Intervention & Political Division

• Federal Help Against Urban Crime:

  • Moore praises federal offers to restore safety, chiding mayors/governors who refuse aid due to political animosity towards Trump ([10:02–11:37]).
  • Advocates for crime and public safety to be nonpartisan issues.

• North Carolina’s Diverse Reaction:

  • Urban/rural divide persists, but all constituents echo “enough is enough” regarding violent crime ([11:37–12:30]).

• Under-reporting and Media Reluctance:

  • Mainstream media only begrudgingly covers stories that don’t fit a certain narrative ([15:35–16:30]).
  • Moore:

    “This should be a call to action ... Why is nobody talking about it? ... Mainstream media is just now kind of sort of begrudgingly, in some ways, coming along talking about this.” ([15:35])

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4. Need for Transparency and Public Confrontation of Evil

• On Video Release:

  • Clay:

    “Sometimes you have to see a video in its totality to really shock the conscience. … We need the full, unedited video of what happened to understand the scope of evil.” ([13:39–14:30])

  • Moore witnessed additional disturbing footage of bystanders failing to render aid ([14:30–15:13]).

• Societal Apathy:

  • Hosts discuss the lack of intervention and what it reveals about social responsibility ([34:34–37:39]).
  • Buck:

    “No one did even the bare humanitarian minimum here. Call the police, see if you can render aid. … Nothing. No one did a darn thing in this video.” ([37:22–37:39])

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5. Justice System: Balance Between Rights of Criminals and Victims

• Hosts argue that concern for offenders has outpaced concern for innocent victims.
• Clay:

  “We have become far too concerned with how criminals are treated and not concerned enough with how innocent people who are victims of criminals are treated. This should never happen.” ([32:30–33:33])

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6. Callers and Audience Reactions

• Callers highlight the racial/narrative double standards in media and judicial outcomes ([23:36–24:00], [33:33–33:47]).
• Audience members cite cases like Daniel Penny/Kyle Rittenhouse as reasons bystanders hesitate to get involved ([33:56–34:30]).

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7. Presidential Response and Political Context

• Donald Trump’s Statement (Audio Played):

  • Trump attributes the tragedy to Democrat-led cities’ “catch and release” policies for violent offenders ([27:23–29:26]).
  • Calls for “force and strength” against violent crime:

    “We have to respond with force and strength. We have to be vicious, just like they are. It's the only thing they understand.” ([28:14])

  • Emphasizes bipartisanship in ensuring public safety.

• Hosts’ Analysis:

  • Clay:

    “This is the least controversial, most nonpartisan goal that any politician could ever have. There are too many murders, and we're going to do whatever we can to drive down the rates of violent crime.” ([29:26–29:58])

  • Buck asserts the refusal to confront statistics and uncomfortable truths because of political optics ([29:58–31:53]).

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8. Media Critique and Societal Narratives

• The episode repeatedly highlights how mainstream outlets’ selective coverage distorts national conversations on justice, safety, and race ([36:11–38:33]).

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Tim Moore, on judicial failures:

  “She has no business being a judge and being a magistrate. She doesn't have any better discernment than to let someone like this loose on the streets.” ([07:05–07:49])

• Clay Travis, on societal reaction:

  “You need to steal your soul. And you need to watch it because you need to see what evil is capable of … and we got to get these people off our streets, and we got to hold them accountable.” ([15:13])

• Donald Trump, statement:

  “A beautiful young girl ... now she's dead ... slaughtered by a deranged monster who was roaming free after 14 prior arrests.” ([27:23]) “We have to respond with force and strength. We have to be vicious, just like they are. It's the only thing they understand.” ([28:14])

• Buck Sexton, on restorative justice:

  “What reconciliation is there going to be for the maniac who stabbed some girl to death in the throat for absolutely no reason? … What are they even talking about?” ([31:32–31:53])

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:58] – Episode content begins, murder recap
• [04:53]–[15:35] – Rep. Tim Moore interview (judicial failures, legislation, societal divide, video evidence)
• [23:36]–[24:00] – Audience reactions/no double standards in justice
• [27:23]–[29:26] – President Trump’s statement on the murder and crime
• [31:32]–[32:30] – Restorative justice vs. real justice debate
• [34:34]–[37:39] – Bystander apathy in violent crime scenario
• [36:11]–[38:33] – Media’s selective coverage and societal impact

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Memorable Moments

• Congressman Tim Moore’s call for possible personal liability for judges who enable released criminals to reoffend.
• The hosts’ and guest’s candid reactions to the non-intervention of bystanders on the train.
• President Trump’s highly charged language advocating for tougher approaches to crime.
• The repeated insistence by hosts and callers that crime and justice should transcend partisan divisions.

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Conclusion

Hour 3 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show centers on a visceral, real-world example of what the hosts see as a nationwide crisis: accountability failures in urban justice systems leading to preventable tragedies. With perspectives from Congressman Tim Moore and statements from Donald Trump, the episode challenges both political leadership and societal norms. The message threads through the hour: real justice must be restored, the public must witness and confront evil, and society must balance compassion for offenders with genuine protection for the innocent. The failure to do so, they argue, is a bipartisan American tragedy that requires urgent, collective action.

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Transcript

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Welcome back in hour number three, Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are joined now by North Carolina Congressman Tim Moore leading a response to the murder of a Ukrainian woman on the Charlotte light rail. I should mention there are more videos coming out of the stabbing and you can see no one coming to this young woman's aid despite the fact they can see her clearly being stabbed. I would suggest, I know this is dark and it is uncomfortable, but Congressman, as we bring you in, why has the full video not been released? And I don't say that because I am in favor of showing violent acts, but I do think it's important that we see what actually happens. And certainly if you think about the George Floyd video, the entire George Floyd video was shared and used to drive the burning of so many American cities and to set an artificial narrative about police. The narrative that there is far too much violent crime and that criminals who are arrested are, are let far too often back on the streets is one that is actually accurate. And in the case of this murder, 14 time arrested serial felon who finally decided that he was going to kill and that he was going to say that he was motivated to kill this woman because she was white. And Congressman, you represent a part of North Carolina and also a part of Charlotte. What is the reaction from your constituency and what do you think about why we have yet to see this full video released?

[Congressman Tim Moore]

Hey guys, thanks for having me on the show. I wish it were under better circumstances. Obviously the reaction of folks that I'm hearing from back home in North Carolina are simply the same thing that you hear, the same thing that your listeners are probably feeling when they, when they see this, when they hear about this is absolutely disgusting. And it's a breakdown in the system. And what we've seen time and time again and certain particularly in some of the blue North Carolina is a red county, excuse me, a red state, but Mecklenburg is a blue county. And we see in a lot of cities around the country where you get these liberal judges that get in and these liberal magistrates that come in and they have these woke policies where they just are just soft on crime. And to your point, this guy, I mean this guy was a convicted felon with violent, a violent rap sheet and had skipped court in the past, had had firearms offenses. And this guy, I mean he should have never been on the street where he could do this. And unfortunately this is not an isolated incident where this is just like a one off. I mean I would submit to you there are these things happen every day throughout our country, which is by the way, one reason that I'm co sponsoring with Elise Stefanik a bill to withhold federal funds from states and local governments that fail to adhere to cash bail policies. If these guys are being held under a cash bail, they're going to be in jail. And a lot of people, frankly, they shouldn't even be given bond where there's such a danger and a menace to society. But Congressman should have been in jail.

[Buck Sexton]

Congressman, we appreciate you being, being here with us. So you have signed a letter. All 10 members of the North Carolina House Republic North Carolina House. These are Republicans obviously demanding the removal of unelected magistrate Judge Teresa Stokes who released this repeat offender who went on Tell us about this process and is it likely to succeed to try to have this judge removed? Because I know state by state these rules can be, can be very different.

[Congressman Tim Moore]

Yeah. So this is a magistrate judge. So she's. Matter of fact, my understanding is she graduated law school but never even passed the bar exam. And I've been in a law. I've been an attorney for 30 years. So I, you know, I kind of know this stuff. But she is, she, she can be removed by the district court judge. She's not elected and she should be. And I felt so, you know, I mean I represent, I'm the only Republican who represents Charlotte in Congress. The other members of Democrat who represents most of Charlotte. But it's just, it's just disgusting. This happened. And she has no business being a judge and being a magistrate. She doesn't have any better discernment than to let someone like this loose on the streets. I mean this guy should have been in jail. This should have never happened.

[Clay Travis]

I can't believe she didn't pass the. Well, she didn't pass the bar. But let's go into this because I think you're raising a really interesting question. I've tried to do the math. I've been a lawyer for 21 years now, so I have managed to pass a couple of bar exams over the years. We talked about the analogy which I've seen shared and I do think it's an interesting one that if you are a bartender and you overserve someone and as you well know, I'm sure, Congressman, if you're a lawyer there, there are significant consequences for bartenders at times. They can even be criminally prosecuted for over serving people who they know are a danger to the larger community and they allow to engage in violent behavior as a result partly of their action. How do we have higher standards for bartenders than we do for judges?

[Congressman Tim Moore]

That's a shame, isn't it? It certainly is. And look for folks to run for judge, all they have to do is be an attorney in good standing and, and get elected. Right. And I would say the vast majority of elected judges do a good job, but you do have some out there that are just, just so far left. But you know, one thing we've talked about doing is actually finding is to your point about like with the bartender, like in the dram shop laws where, where they can be held civilly responsible for any, you know, for any, for any injuries that happen as a result of serving someone who drinks too much, going to, having a wreck. We're actually looking right now at personal liability for a judge who turns someone loose and then goes out and commits a crime thereafter. You know, maybe that's the way to get people's attention. That's actually a bill that we're, we're in the drafting phases right now. Clearly we're going to, you know, look at constitutional provisions and whatnot. But I think there ought to be some accountability. I mean, if somebody is doing something this bad, you ought to be responsible for it.

[Buck Sexton]

And so what do you think about the, the moves by the federal government because of this White House, the Trump administration, to at least offer up and perhaps even get a little more forceful than that, assistance from the federal law enforcement side to try to help cities that are truly crime plagued?

[Congressman Tim Moore]

You know, it's amazing to me that we have some of these liberal Democrat governors around the country and I look at what's happening in Chicago and some of these other, where these, some of these liberal mayors who hate Donald Trump more than they love their communities and more than they love and care about the people they are supposed to represent. I mean these, so many of these communities. I'm talking to you from, just from the District of Columbia right now. Right. I mean, and I've, I'm a new member of Pack. So I've been here eight months and I showed up up here and what I saw up here was a frigging goat rodeo in terms of the amount of crime and homelessness and drugs. It's just embarrassing. It's our nation's capital and I'm glad that the president stood up and, you know, did something. I sent in there and it actually has a safer feeling. I hope it's sustained. But this president has shown this is not a political stunt. The president has offered this up to help, you know, to help the people that live in these cities. Because you know what, when it comes to crime, it shouldn't be Republican, Democrat. But guess what? These Democrats are making it a partisan issue. And I'm hopeful, I'm so hopeful that people are paying attention to this and because where there's an opportunity to get help, folks ought to take it. Because look, look at Chicago. I mean, they're overwhelmed. But you know, and back in North Carolina, you know, the point there, I think we can kind of surgically say in that case it's some of these loose bail policies being adopted by some of these liberal judges. I mean, it really is going to require all of the above to get to make our cities safe again.

[Clay Travis]

You know, Congressman, North Carolina is a super fascinating state, as you well know, because there's a very big difference between, let's say the left wing college communities that encircle some of the campuses and the people who live in western North Carolina or the people who live in other rural parts of North Carolina. It's a very different a state. Meaning there's a lot of variety. But doesn't it unite everyone to say, hey, to your point, we just want to be safe in the state of North Carolina in our big cities. White, black, Asian, Hispanic. You hit on it. But I talked about it earlier. I've been talking about a lot on the show. I'm staggered that the Democrat response to evidence of high rates of violent crime is. Well, it's a little bit better than it used to be. As if that's somehow a good thing.

[Congressman Tim Moore]

Yeah, it's the craziest thing that, that I've seen. And I will tell you that in my district that I represent, I have urban areas in it, but I have some very rural areas. I mean, I have a lot of the mountains of North Carolina that were ravaged by Hurricane Helene. In fact, it's a big district. And what I hear across that entire geographic area and across the political spectrum is people saying enough is enough of this crime. Enough is enough of a broken criminal justice system that values the rights of criminals over the rights of people who are just trying to be law abiding citizens going about their business. I mean, think about this. I mean, this young lady fled Ukraine, coming to America for safety, is on a light rail train, is a passenger there. You know, she'd gotten off work in this, in this evil guy Just stabs her in the neck. And then the other thing on the video. You asked about the video. I don't know why the rest of the video hasn't been released. I mean, it may be to respect the victim. I don't know. That's. That's. That's.

[Clay Travis]

I understand that argument, but sometimes you have to see a video in its totality to really shock the conscience. And so I just would implore anybody listening out here in North Carolina or. And I bet you you would probably agree with me. I'll let you answer it, too. But to me, we need the full, unedited video of what happened to understand the scope of evil. And we should have to watch it, those of us who are adults, obviously, to recognize what we have allowed to occur. Because it's one thing if a violent perpetrator out of nowhere acts. The guy was arrested 14 times. I think the. Oh, the pre. The guy deserves a second chance, third chance. Nobody deserves a 15th chance. I'm sorry. And so I want to get your reaction to that, but I think we need to stare into evil and see it.

[Congressman Tim Moore]

I think. I think people need to need to see it. It's ugly. And there's a video that has been. There's been additional video released. I don't know if you guys have seen this yet, but there's one showing right after he stabbed her. And she's there, and she's. And nobody. Nobody on this. On the damn train even is doing anything to help her. I'm like that. And I just saw that maybe like 15 minutes before I just came on the show with you, and I'm just. I'm still kind of stunned by seeing that, that no one, no other people on that train did a thing to help this lady. I mean, that's just. That's terrible. I just. I don't even know what to say about it. I just. It's.

[Clay Travis]

We have. We have shared these videos, and they're dark and disturbing. And I would encourage you. I know a lot of people, kids, grandkids, they don't need to watch this. But I think every adult. You need to steal your soul. And you need to watch it because you need to see what evil is capable of, and you need to look at it, and you need to think we all can do better, and we got to get these people off our streets, and we got to hold them accountable.

[Congressman Tim Moore]

Well, absolutely. And this, you know, this should be a call to action. And what's been amazing, there's been a few of us that have Been digging around trying to find out what happened because a lot of the details were kind of murky as to what exactly occurred and when the video got released is when a few of us were making noise. But this is terrible. Why is nobody talking about it? And then of course you guys are talking about it and others are, but you know, mainstream media is just now kind of sort of begrudgingly in some ways coming along talking about this. And it's just, I mean crime is crime and to your point, evil is evil. And I do think there's a bit, I mean just a reminder of people to be vigilant, to be aware, to understand that evil is out there and that we need to be able to protect ourselves. You know, we need to be able to, we need to be able to have a firearm, you know, to protect ourselves from something. I, but, but it's just, it's a sad state too when, you know, there aren't folks who, when they see this that don't intervene and try to help and yeah, render aid. I'm just, you know, I do think there's, it's hard to watch. It's hard to watch. But you know what, we need to stare it in the face and we need to, we need to deal with it. But I'm going to tell you something. This president's not sitting idly by in this Congress is not sitting ID by say we're looking at legislation right now that's like enough is enough. These communities are going to do things that, that do not follow the wall and consistent law when it comes to cash bail. Then there's going to be consequences and that may be losing federal dollars. Who knows? That may be the only thing that'll get some of these folks attention. I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

North Carolina Congress and Tim Moore appreciate you being with us, sir. Thank you.

[Congressman Tim Moore]

Thanks for having me on gas.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay. Anne Buck, President Trump put out a statement from the White House just a few moments ago on what's going I mean, they taped it, but they put it out on, on the stabbing in North Carolina, the murder in North Carolina on the light rail. We're going to play that for you here, coming up in a second. But first, we have some, some talkbacks. Let's take from Clay's hometown, Franklin, Tennessee. Jim A. Hi, guys.

[Congressman Tim Moore]

Jim from Franklin, Tennessee. And I was just going to give a little talk back about your hypothetical that if a white guy had stabbed a black girl, it'd be news forever. My thought is that if a white guy had entered into the life of crime the way this black guy did, well, the judge wouldn't be worried about being a racist and she probably followed the law and he'd be in jail or institutionalized. Just saying.

[Clay Travis]

I think there's probably some truth to this. This is where the phrase toxic empathy comes in. You know, we used to say bleeding heart liberals, but an inability to hold individuals responsible for their own individual action because you're focused on the collective world that you see strips away the entire purpose of the justice system because we should all be judged on our individual actions, not our identity, which we do not control. And that's why justice is blind, because lady justice is trying to treat everybody fairly.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. So we'll tell you, we'll bring to you what President Trump's statement on this murder and criminal justice is in just a few moments. Look, on this show, we handle the biggest, biggest truths, Clay and I, day in and day out. This is what we do this fall. I want something brand new for you. It's an online newsletter that's capitalizing on the knowledge, information and access that we have here on the show. I'm calling it Money and Power with Buck Sexton. And here's what makes it unprecedented. We're turning our access, our ability to speak to the movers and shakers in markets, in government, you name it, and take actionable opportunities for everyday Americans in the markets and bring them together. This is the kind of access that hedge funds and billionaires have used for a long time to get really rich. So think of this as your invitation behind Washington and Wall Street's velvet rope and into the highest corridors of power where the real decisions get made. I lay it all out in a brand new interview. Let's go off the radio with this one and go online. Go to off air25.com to watch it now. Again, go check out this video presentation. Off air25.com paid for by Paradigm Press.

[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Look, we've got a lot of people reacting to the heinous murder of a young, innocent Ukrainian woman. And that includes the President of the United States, Donald Trump, who, Buck, you and I have talked about this for years, has an innate ability to make the people in the media who hate him talk about what he wants them to talk about. And I think it's going to be very difficult for them not to cover as this video continues to come out. Let me also say this before we play the audio. Buck, are you with me that the full video has to come out or do you think that it should be not released? What's your take on that in general? Yes, they should come out.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that, I think the whole video should come out. I mean, I said this, this is, you know, I'm not recommending ever watch the full video. But for people who want to understand exactly what happened there, yes, the full video. You know, the full video should come out. The full George Floyd video came.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, I agree with you. I think when the full video comes out, it becomes increasingly difficult not to cover it. The fact that they have censored far.

[Buck Sexton]

Far more heinous than what happened to George Floyd, I'm not comparing them. I'm just saying in terms of let people see what they need to see to make the judgments about what happened. That's the comparison here, no doubt.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, here is President Trump, this is just in the last 30 minutes or so releasing this statement. It's two different cuts. We'll play cut one, we might react to it. I'll call for more if we don't want to react to it yet. But here is Trump reacting to the murder of this young, innocent 23 year old Ukrainian woman on public transit in Charlotte.

[Donald Trump]

For far too long, Americans have been forced to put up with Democrat run cities that set loose savage, bloodthirsty criminals to prey on innocent people. Really very, very innocent people in every place. They control radical left judges, politicians and activists and they've adopted a policy of catch and release for thugs and killers. In Charlotte, North Carolina, we saw the results of these policies when a 23 year old woman who came here from Ukraine met her bloody end on a public train. A beautiful young girl that never had problems in life with a magnificent future in this country. And now she's dead. She was slaughtered by a deranged monster who was roaming free after 14 prior arrests.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, let's play. Cut to here. Trump continues.

[Donald Trump]

We cannot allow a depraved criminal element of violent repeat offenders to continue spreading destruction and death throughout our country. We have to respond with force and strength. We have to be vicious, just like they are. It's the only thing they understand. 24 of the top 25 most dangerous cities in America are run by Democrat mayors. 50 people were murdered in Chicago in recent weeks with hundreds being shot. And it's time to stop this madness. The people of our country need to insist on protection, safety, law and order. We have proven that it can be done because we did it right here in D.C. in District of Columbia. The capital of America was a bloodthirsty, horrible, dangerous place, one of the worst. And now it's a crime free city. And we're going to keep it that way. It can be done. It can happen fast. All we want is, please, Mr. President, we need help. Chicago needs help. Other cities needs help. We'll do what has to be done. Because we're going to make America safe again, and that includes our big cities. We're going to make those cities safe.

[Clay Travis]

Fuck. This is again, take away Trump and just pretend that you had never heard anybody make any statement about Trump in your entire life. This is the least controversial, most nonpartisan goal that any politician could ever have. There are too many murders, and we're going to do whatever we can to drive down the rates of violent crime in major cities across America. Sometimes I just think you have to step back and just look at this logically. There's no way to be opposed to this.

[Buck Sexton]

The, the Democrat apparatus would rather the murder rate continue where it is, instead of accepting that Trump is right, accepting that the right is right, and accepting that there will be a disproportionate rate of incarceration from increased enforcement of the law, which will affect a very small percentage overall. But some black men in this country, as well as, by the way, Latino men in some jurisdictions are considerably overrepresented in the incarceration rates. But it depends where you are. I mean, New York, for example, is a jurisdiction where that is the case. And they would rather the murder rate continue than to do those, than to accept those things, that those things will happen. Trump is right. The right has been correct. And you're going to have disproportionate or disparate impact, dare I say, from the enhanced enforcement of these laws or really just enforcement of them. And instead of giving people 15th and 50th chances, deciding that enough is enough. So I think Trump is on very, very solid ground with this and you'll notice, Clay, I read a description of restorative justice in one of the breaks. I was just curious to see what the. I know what it is. I've heard people talking about it for a long time. It's the kind of idea that people who are living in some other reality or on some other planet would come up with, which is, we're going to. We're going to have victims. I'm sorry, we're going to have perpetrators reconcile with victims.

[Congressman Tim Moore]

Really?

[Buck Sexton]

How do you do that in a case like this? What reconciliation is there going to be for the maniac who stabbed some girl to death in the throat for absolutely no reason other than perhaps racial animus, which now is coming out as well, based on the audio. What. What. What are you. Like, what are they even talking about when they say that we need to have restorative justice?

[Clay Travis]

How about just justice?

[Buck Sexton]

How about just the closest. By the way, you can argue, I think, very unfortunately, tragically, very effectively, that there really is. There's no such thing as justice because you can't give this girl her life back. But you can try to stop the next one and you can take this person out of society so he can't threaten or harm another person. And you can try to prohibit or try to prevent more of this from happening, from others who see, if I do this, I'm going to be punished by the state in a way that makes me very unhappy. You know, not that I'm going to go to some rehabilitation center and be treated with kid gloves.

[Clay Travis]

I've got. My anger has grown. All weekend I watch this video, and that's why I think the full video has to be released. We have to rectify the system that we have created where we're more concerned about criminals being treated fairly than we are innocent people being victims of crimes. This is basically just a balance, right? And all of life is trying to balance equities in some way. Who is the good person, who's the bad person? Who behaved in a admirable fashion, who behaved in a dishonorable fashion. How do we reconcile that in the courts? I think what this situation is emblematic of is we have become far too concerned with how criminals are treated and not concerned enough with how innocent people who are victims of criminals are treated. This should never happen. Let me hit some of your talkbacks, Michael in Arizona, listening on news talk 550k. FYI, what you got for us?

[Congressman Tim Moore]

People are missing the biggest picture here. It's not just a right Republican outrage. It should be an American outrage. Liberal, independent, non voting, non carrying, white, black, green, yellow, orange, all of it.

[Clay Travis]

Everybody should be outraged.

[Congressman Tim Moore]

You shouldn't be able to murder someone like that on a train while you're coming home from work, just sitting there, mind your business and get stabbed. It's disgusting.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I think we've said that quite a lot on the show. This should be nonpartisan. I would echo what he said and VIP email. Kyle says the congressman we just talked with, Tim Moore, says he was surprised no one intervened. The answer is easy. Daniel Penny, Kyle Rittenhouse. People are scared to get involved. Now, you and I were talking. I don't know if we said this on air or off air. I don't think anybody can anticipate in this situation the stabbing occurring because it occurs so rapidly. This is not a situation where a guy's walking around with a weapon in his hand. There was no.

[Buck Sexton]

No warning. No warning at all. And you can tell from the video he just stood up and stabbed.

[Clay Travis]

And now what you and I have said, and again, this is in the video the congressman was referring to, is after the stabbing, the guy walks away on the light rail, this Charlotte public transportation, and no one comes to the girl's aid.

[Buck Sexton]

That's.

[Clay Travis]

This girl is bleeding out.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

She has no real idea probably what's happened to her at all, because the stabbing happens so fast. It doesn't appear there was any conversation or any interaction between these two at all. She gets stabbed. She looks up at him, he walks past. The weapon is dripping blood. And other people in that section of the train see her leaning over as her blood is starting to pour out, as her life is leaving. And no one does anything at all to comfort her or even offer any support at all. In fact, people stand up and walk away.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

That is the lack of humanity we are referencing. Now, if this, again, were a situation where the guy's waving the weapon around, nobody does anything. I think your Rittenhouse example, I think your Daniel Penny example could come into play. Where I would say the Daniel Pliny analogy, Buck, is particularly apropos, is how in the world can the Washington Post and MSNBC and CNN and the New York Times, although it did happen in New York, justify writing hundreds of articles about Daniel Penney and his behavior and justifying the criminal prosecution brought against him and largely not even cover this story?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is your argument the whole time. It shows beyond any. There's no doubt about the ideological manipulation that goes on with these kinds of stories and either suppression or elevation into the public consciousness, depending on whether it fits a narrative that is preferable to places like the New York Times, the Washington Post. You know, it's interesting as well. I mean, the video is particularly. It's horrific. The additional video as I'm watching it here, Clay, everyone else on the train is black. She's the only white person on the train. And they leave her and she is bleeding to death. I don't even see anyone grab a cell phone to call the police.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Call for aid, call for an ambulance. They essentially leave her to die. And there's no action taken from anyone there. Now, I understand you could say, well, maybe somebody was looking at their phone. They didn't see. I'm not indicting any individual in this video, but I'm saying collectively in the video, it is quite clear some people knew what was. What had just happened, and no one did. Even the bare humanitarian minimum here. Call the police, see if you can render aid. See if you can, you know, every.

[Clay Travis]

You don't have to be.

[Buck Sexton]

You don't have to be a first responder to know you gotta stop the bleeding. This woman just got stabbed in the neck. You know, no one's taking their shirt off. No one's trying to make a tourniquet or a compress here. Nothing, nothing. No one did it. Darn thing in this video.

[Clay Travis]

And the question. We played the Brian Stelter audio for you, and we'll play some more your talk backs when we come back. The question I ask, what percentage of this is why I think the media coverage. Somebody say, well, why do you care? Why do you care what the New York Times writes? Why do you care what the Washington Post, cnn, msnbc? We know. Yes. And I love that. I appreciate that. We're gonna be honest with you every day. If you really want to move all of America, then all of America has to experience a story that is common. Right. And you could be a New York Times reader, you could be a Washington Post reader. You could think, hey, I'm informing myself. Well, on the stature and status of this country. And when they don't cover a story, when they don't share factual data with the CNN audience, when it comes to crime, msnbc, we're not commonly having a conversation because they have no idea this is going on.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay. Without the omnipresence of surveillance cameras and platforms like X that allow for free sharing on the Internet, if this had happened 10 years, 15 years ago, people would know, but this would be a local crime story and we would not know about it.

[Clay Travis]

Yep. Oh, I think cameras being everywhere has created all sorts of complexities. And if you got teenagers out there, I'm talking about serious things. I'm like, hey knucklehead, maybe don't take that picture, maybe don't take that video. Maybe don't be sending stuff like crazy all over the place. You're 16, you moron. But I do think in situations like these and in the police body cameras footages, the prevalence of cameras actually allows us to see what actually occurred in a way that has never been the case throughout human history. And I think what we're seeing is the power of media to distort reality is being exposed by the reality being presented in front of all of us. And again, I think that's a very positive thing. We won in our big pick over the weekend. Buck three for three 4.25 payout plus hopefully more to come and you can get signed up. If you are wanting to just have a little bit more fun this football season. If you like to kick back on Saturday and Sunday and watch games and I know many of you do, I will be at the Georgia Tennessee game this weekend for fox's Big Noon. And I love football. I mean it is what I do to get away from the serious things in life and I know that many of you are similar to me. Prize picks can make things a little bit more fun. Hopefully we can all play together and win some games. If you think I'm a you can take the exact opposite side of every pick that I make. But we're going to give you picks every single Thursday. You go to prizepix.com use the name Clay, you get 50 bucks. You can play in Texas, Florida, Georgia, California, places you might feel left out in 40 plus states nationwide. Use my name Clay. That's Clash. Prizepix.com code Clay to get hooked up today. Prize picks it's good to be right. Must be present in certain states. Prizepix.com for restrictions and details. My name Clay for 50 bucks you can play with us on Thursday. Hopefully we can win again. Let's keep it rolling. Prizepix.com code clay keep up with the biggest political comeback in world history on the Team 47 podcast Clay and Buck highlight Trump replays from the week Sundays at noon Eastern. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

I was just telling Clay, you know, new dad over here, and our baby has been a little superstar, little baby speed. Last night, though, he was, he was actually fussy and I think he woke my wife up and therefore me up, I don't know, five or six times. So, man, this, Clay, this is what a lot of parents tell me. This is what they deal with. This is, I think, the first time in a couple of months this has happened. So it's been, it's a challenge today, just keeping, keeping all the energy and all the flow going over here. But it's tough stuff, man. When baby gets fussy, you're in the baby's world.

[Clay Travis]

You have never realized the importance of sleep until you have your first child. And I, I mean second child, third child, however many you got out there, you know what I'm talking about when those are super young. And by the way, this is why you could probably use Crockett coffee, because I bet you are caffeinated to the nth degree today to help get through the day, get a little bit extra sleep. And we got a couple people who want to weigh in. Truck driver Steve, Some good common sense from a truck driver.

[Buck Sexton]

BB hey, Truck driver Steve here, guys. Hey, if, if a person can sue McDonald's for a million dollars, sipping hot coffee and burning their lips or whatever, there's no reason a judge shouldn't be able to be held accountable for someone that shouldn't have been out of prison in the first place for killing that lady or them two ladies actually. Anyone. If someone's a repeat offender like that, the judge most certainly needs to be held accountable.

[Clay Travis]

It's an interesting analogy. Look, judges have to be right 100% of the time when it comes to reviewing crime stats and and who should be in and who should be out. I do think over time, if you are a judge that is regularly letting violent people on the streets, there should be severe consequences.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, judge, judges, judges are not going to be thrown in prison for making bad decisions as judges because nobody would take the job as judge just to be totally honest as a result, because too many risks. But can they be removed for being bad at their jobs?

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

And should that be done? Yes. But criminal liability for bad decisions as a judge that doesn't involve bribery or something like that. That's not happening. So we just need to go let's keep this in the realm of the professional accountability that's maybe achievable and should be achievable. And we will follow this up with more obviously tomorrow here on Clay and Buck.

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