Hour 3 - Buck Slams Hamas Savages

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 – How Buck Became Conservative

Original Air Date: May 13, 2026

Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton

Episode Overview

In this third hour, Clay and Buck focus on heated topics from recent political and cultural news, drilling into media narratives about Israel after October 7th, California's governance, and the nature of empathy in public policy. They emphasize clarity in distinguishing good from evil and discuss the manipulation of young people via social media algorithms, healthcare fraud, the California election landscape, and how personal experiences informed Buck's conservatism. The tone is conversational, mixing directness, humor, and candid anecdotes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Media Narratives & the Israel-Hamas Conflict

(03:03–17:29)

• NYT Accusations Against Israel: Clay introduces the recent New York Times story by Nick Kristof alleging "Israel training dogs to rape prisoners," calling it a graphic, sensational, and slanderous pivot in Western media.

  • Clay: “At some point…October 7, 2023, happened, and then they managed to create a narrative that somehow…Israel was the predator and the bad guy.”
  • He recounts his recent visit to Israel, describing the atrocities committed by Hamas—reporting eyewitness testimony and sites of the attacks.

• Buck's Counterterrorism Perspective:

  • Buck draws on his CIA counterterrorism center background to explain these types of accusations are not new; similar disinformation has been used to radicalize and recruit by terrorist groups for years.
  • Buck questions the sourcing of the NYT article, contrasting it with a detailed, heavily sourced 300-page report documenting Hamas’s sexual violence and atrocities on October 7th.
  • Buck (07:06): “This was not a thing that happened because it was fog of war, spur of the moment...It was the deliberate policy by the government of Gaza, which is Hamas… to mutilate, rape, murder, torture as many people inside of Israel as possible.”

• Cultural Inversion:

  • Both argue there's been a disturbing reversal in Western perception, enabling narratives that make Israel out to be the perpetrator rather than the victim.
  • Buck (10:40): “War is hell. Hamas brought war upon Gaza. It’s their fault. … If this had happened to me, if I was an Israeli, I would absolutely demand of my government that we hunt down and kill every person involved…”

• Empathy and Disinformation:

  • Clay notes that young Americans, especially via TikTok and Instagram, are increasingly getting content that skews anti-Israel, blaming the sophistication of paid or algorithmic campaigns.
  • Clay (13:21): “It is one of the great flaws of the world in which we live, that algorithms can be rigged and that you can start to see things that are fundamentally untrue.”

2. Analogies & Generational Shift

(11:58–17:29, 23:27–24:01)

• American Parallel:

  • Clay uses an analogy: what would Americans do if a cartel crossed the Mexican border, committing mass murder and abductions similar to October 7th? He suggests the U.S. response would be overwhelming and justified—so why is Israel held to a different standard?
  • Buck (12:16): “I think we might nuke Tijuana tomorrow and not lose a moment’s sleep, honestly.”

• Concerns About Youth:

  • Both worry the inability to distinguish good from evil, especially in younger generations, reflects lost moral clarity, exacerbated by social media manipulation.
  • Clay reiterates empathy should be directed at real victims, not victimizers.

3. Call-In Reactions

(22:42–24:01)

• Listener Support:
  • Tom from Tennessee praises the directness of Clay and Buck’s stance on Hamas, expressing frustration with those who diminish the atrocities.
  • Tom (22:52): “If anybody experienced that, you’d be like the Punisher going out there to get them. Good job, guys. Keep it up.”
  • Buck responds in kind: “Every single one of them who are a part of it and planned it should die. A lot of them have. … we should hunt them down and kill them…”

4. Healthcare Fraud & AI in Medicine

(25:07–30:38)

• Healthcare Spending Fraud:
  • Clay reports on the new fraud task force announced by JD Vance and Dr. Oz, highlighting reporting of home health aide and autism center scams. He blames increased government involvement for opening the door to massive fraud.
• AI and Personal Health:
  • Both see promise in emerging tech like body scans and AI-driven medical insight, making individuals more proactive about their health.
  • Buck (27:57): “Use these things as a tool so you understand more. ... The amount of data you have access to now...is just leaps and bounds ahead.”
  • They encourage listeners to use tools like Grok or Gemini to analyze medical data, believing knowledge will prompt better healthcare decisions.

5. California Policy & Elections

(30:38–34:02)

• Prison iPad Scandal:
  • Clay shares Chris Rufo’s reporting: $189 million of taxpayer money spent furnishing California prisoners with iPads, which are being used to watch porn and “groom minors on the outside.”
• LA Mayoral Race & Voter Frustration:
  • Commentary on the Spencer Pratt campaign in LA and Steve Hilton for governor. Clay contends Californians (and Angelenos particularly) appear fed up with Democratic governance and scandals.
  • Clay (32:48): “Are people in LA frustrated enough...to potentially leave the Democrat tribe and be willing to take a chance?”
  • Buck remains skeptical, pointing out the entrenched nature of liberal ideology in NY & LA.

6. Understanding Liberal Urban Mindset & Empathy

(34:02–39:00)

• Why Buck is Conservative:
  • Buck explains that witnessing Democratic mismanagement in urban environments (crime, homelessness) in NYC convinced him of conservative values, more so than many would expect given his background.
  • Buck (34:34): “The conservative stuff always is good and works, and the liberal stuff makes you feel good until you realize...”
• Empathy and Criminal Justice:
  • Clay brings up a story: A woman in NYC, after being assaulted, refuses to press charges to avoid “mass incarceration.” The same perpetrator kills a 76-year-old man next.
  • They argue empathy should shift from criminals to future victims—a reframing essential for meaningful policy change.
  • Clay (36:12): “What if you redirect the empathy to the people that are actual victims of crime?”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Media Narratives:

  • Clay (04:05): “They managed to create a narrative that somehow, instead of being innocent when they were attacked...Israel was the predator.”
  • Buck (07:06): “It was the deliberate policy by the government of Gaza, which is Hamas…to mutilate, rape, murder, torture as many people inside of Israel as possible...They videotaped this, they bragged about this…”

• On Empathy and Crime:

  • Clay (36:12): “What if you redirect the empathy to the people that are actual victims of crime? ...That 76-year-old is dead because that woman’s empathy was misdirected towards a criminal and not towards the future victims…”
  • Buck (38:04): “That is the epitome of the urban lib mindset. ... Something is deeply wrong with them and there’s some way they cannot process their empathy.”

• On Generational Influence and Media:

  • Clay (13:21): “Algorithms can be rigged and you can start to see things fundamentally untrue. ...I wish everybody listening could go to Israel and see...meet the survivors.”

• Humor & Banter (Closing):

  • Buck, on General Tso’s chicken (43:36): “He’s a beautiful man, that General. ... I could probably put away 4,000 calories of just General Tso if you let me.”
  • Clay, on his mispronunciations (44:36): “I blame producer Ali...We all know I can’t pronounce anything that I haven’t seen before.”

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Important Timestamps

• 03:03: Discussion begins on Israel-Hamas narratives and NYT reporting.
• 07:06: Buck delivers detailed critique of Kristof’s report; cites 300-page report on Hamas atrocities.
• 12:16: “We might nuke Tijuana”– the blunt American analogy for terror response.
• 13:21: Clay on social media algorithmic manipulation and youth.
• 25:07: Shift to healthcare fraud and AI in medicine.
• 30:38: California iPad-for-inmates scandal and LA mayor’s race.
• 34:02: Buck explains his conversion to conservatism, despite NYC liberal roots.
• 36:12: Clay reframes empathy for criminal justice reform.
• 43:21–44:15: Light banter on Chinese food and listener talkbacks.

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Conclusion

This hour blends pointed critique of media, policy analysis, and candid reflection on moral clarity in public discourse. Clay and Buck challenge listeners to rethink empathy, activism, and political allegiance—especially in the context of crime, governance, and the digital information landscape—while keeping their trademark mix of gravity and humor.

Transcript

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Rehashing.

[Clay Travis]

Rehashing or recapitulating would be another way to say it. What we have been discussing so far, Trump has arrived in Beijing for the big Chinese state visit. We've talked about what might happen as it pertains to Iran and also to Taiwan. We have talked about the COVID testimony that was taking place with a CIA whistleblower in front of Rand Paul and many other stories that are out there, including the Alec Murdoch double murder conviction being overturned, which a lot of people care about that as well. We still got other things we want to get into, including the latest on the LA mayor's race. And this is a crazy story. California has been paying, according to Chris Rufo, they paid $189 million on iPads for all inmates in California prisons. Yeah, that's crazy. 90,000 of them all got brand new iPads paid for with taxpayer dollars in California. But we shall return to that. By the way, Byron Donald, who I think and I bet Buck would also co sign on, this is likely to be the next governor of the state of Florida, was just on with us in the last hour as well. But there's a huge story that has gotten a great deal of attention from the New York Times and it's going to be graphic. So it's hard to have a conversation about this story without it being graphic. Basically accusing Israel of training dogs to rape prisoners. This is, I mean, sounds crazy, but this is Nick Kristoff at the New York Times has got a big piece that is up Buck. You have been teeing off on it. I'll let you dive into the particulars of the that those accusations. But I went to Israel and I toured the kibbutzes. I toured the Nova Music Festival. I toured so many of the sites where Hamas terrorists raped and murdered innocent people who happened to be Jewish. Not even all Jews, right? Just innocent people who had gone to this music festival. Innocent people living in these kibbutzes, kids, women, children were targeted. I saw still bloodstains, awful, violent, predatorial behavior on behalf of hamas, which we 100% know occurred. I met people who were eyewitnesses and walked me through exactly what happened. Producer Ali was there. She was recording a lot of this stuff. We shared videos, footage from all of it, and at some point in time. And it, it really is, Buck, a crazy pivot. October 7, 2023 happened, and then they managed to create a narrative that somehow, instead of being innocent when they were attacked, which is 100% true, that somehow Israel was the predator and the bad guy. And a lot of people who should know better have been continuing to spread those. Well, I think you called it blood libel, basically. Okay, so what is the latest and any questions you have about the sites and, and, and, and, and experiences that I had with people who were victimized, I'm happy to, to talk about. But, but the New York Times is now saying basically that Israel has been engaged in this awful venal behavior, including training dogs to rape Palestinians.

[Buck Sexton]

So a few things, first of all, coming from a counterterrorism center background at a time when the CIA was the preeminent agency in hunting down and killing the barbarians of Al Qaeda, this. Oh, the, the Christians and Jews, which is what they would always call any Americans or allies using horrific torture on us in prison is a constant. They say this all the time. They lie about this all the time. Because you have to understand, even if it's not believed in the west, and in this case, unfortunately, some people do believe the idiocy put forward by Nicholas Kristof. Remember that their intended audience is often other Muslim males who are angry and disaffected and want an excuse to join up with Al Qaeda or to join up with Hamas or whatever it may be. So they, they create this, this lie of the brutalized brutalization that happens. And specifically in this case, you know, the dogs raping inmates at the direction of Israelis. Keep in mind, people would say, well, Buck, what about Abu Ghraib? Yet Donald Rumsfeld offered his resignation when that came out. That was a huge, huge deal, huge problem, and in fact led to a lot of insurgents killing a lot of Americans in Iraq specifically because of their outrage of Abu Ghraib. Now, by the way, Abu Ghraib was just another day in Saddam's prisons for decades, and you know, in fact, far less than what happened in Saddam's prisons. But I won't get into the difference between the civilizational standards that America and Israel are held to and the abject barbarism that Middle Eastern Muslim states engage in on a day to day basis and no one seems to care. There's no real pushback on it. But Clay, something that's important to note about the release of that Nicholas Kristoff report was that it was the same day as a 300 page report on exactly what you saw. The 300 page report was and I was up late last night reading it, reading the actual report, which is why I was also tweeting about it. Sexual terror unveiled the untold atrocities of October 7th against hostages in captivity. And unlike the not just thinly sourced but obtusely sourced meaning there, no person should believe the nonsense Nicholas Kristoff put forward based on the sourcing. This is heavily sourced with video and eyewitness testimony, hundreds of them, hours and hours of footage, hours and hours of live testimony from people who were there, who saw this and the acts that these Hamas Palestinian terrorists engaged in against Israel. And I think this is what people have to really take a moment here to understand. This was not a thing that happened because it was fog of war, spur of the moment, some guys got out of line. It was the deliberate policy by the government of Gaza, which is Hamas, the deliberate plea, a pre planned policy to mutilate, rape, murder, torture as many people inside of Israel as possible, to light their genitals on fire, to gouge out their eyes, to shoot out their eyes and to shoot off their genitals so that their bodies could not be buried with any sense of family closure and dignity, to do everything possible, to be as sadistic and barbaric as possible as a tool of policy. Clay, they weren't going to defeat Israel with this attack and they knew it. They weren't going to destroy the Jewish state with this and they knew it. It was just bile, rage, sadism. It was we hate Jews and we're going to show you the extent of that demonic hatred. And people have to understand that that is what happened on October 7th. It wasn't, oh, they do things, we do things. They sometimes go over the line, we sometimes go over the line. The government, the elected government of Gaza chose to do this, plan to do this, had had husbands watch their wives raped before they were murdered. They videotaped this, they bragged about this, they spoke in glowing terms about the mutilations they were doing. Clay, there is no doubt about the extent to which these Hamas animals visited this kind of violence upon the Israeli people. And now I have people going, saying, well, look what happened to Gaza, look what happened to Gaza. War is hell. And Hamas brought war upon Gaza. It is their fault. The Israelis were in absolutely no position to be told, sit back and take this. Go to the un we'll figure out a better way. If this had happened to me, if I was an Israeli, I would absolutely demand of my government that we hunt down and kill every person involved, not just in perpetrating these acts, but. But in planning them and in supporting them. And if that means that there are going to be buildings that blow up that have innocent people inside because Hamas is hiding behind them, I'm sorry. War is hell. Hamas brought the war to Gaza. A lot of people on our side

[Clay Travis]

have forgotten about this. I think all that's really well said. If you want to take it outside of Israel. Imagine that a group of terrorists came across the southern border from Mexico and raped and murdered 1200 innocent people, Americans in Texas. What would we do? We would.

[Buck Sexton]

I think we might nuke Tijuana tomorrow and not lose a moment's sleep, honestly.

[Clay Travis]

We would obliterate the people who did that to us. And all of you would say that is the right choice. Let me go a little bit further on this, two, Buck. I think that there is a targeted, intentional, highly paid campaign to try and distract from what happened on October 7th. And I'll give you an example. I think there are people that want to blame Israel that are being shoved in front of a lot of people on social media through paid campaigns. And I see it in my own household. I was talking with my kids recently. One of them had a bunch of their friends over. I don't even think I told you this, Buck. Or maybe I did. I can't even remember. I know I didn't say it on the air. And. And they were asking me questions. They used to see Charlie Kirk videos all the time when they were on Tik Tok and they are on Instagram reels now. They get Nick Fuentes all the time. So Charlie Kirk gets murdered, and then a lot of young people in America start to see this guy that I don't think has a very big audience in general, and his videos are everywhere. I think it's a calculated paid attempt to try and make Israel the bad guy. And I think they're going after young people in particular who are susceptible to and persuadable. And I think you've seen it happen on college campuses. I think it is one of the great flaws of the world in which we live, that algorithms can be rigged and that you can start to see things that are fundamentally untrue. And if you look ages, young men and young women, young think many of them do that. Hamas is the victim here. Older Americans are not susceptible in the same way, I don't think, to manipulation on this issue. I wish everybody that is listening to us right now could go to Israel and see the kibbutzes and see the Nova music festival like we did and see and read and meet the survivors and hear from the families of those that were murdered. One of the things that I worry about now as a dad is much of America seems to have lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. And that's why I think, take it outside of Israel, just leave Israel off on the side, because they're freighted aspects of that. I like the analogy of what would we do to a terror group in Mexico? What would we do to a cartel if they crossed our southern border and they murdered 1200Americans and they kidnapped 200 of our people? Would any of you say, oh, well, you know, the real victim here, it's the Mexican cartel that killed 1200 innocent people, raped, murdered them, kidnapped 250 of them. Would any of you say, boy, those. That Mexican cartel, they're really getting treated rough. They're the real victims here. Oh, they're having issues getting food. Or would you say they created this situation? War is hell. I think that first person to say it is that Sherman, at least the one that I think gets the most attention for saying war is hell in America anyway. I'm sure it's been said by other people before, but war is hell. And when you create hell, when you start a war, I don't want to hear whining when you get your ass kicked by people who were the innocent victims of that war. And I think you can go back to 9 11. There are a lot, Buck, of innocent people that died in our immediate response to 9 11. That stinks. I wish that there was never an innocent person who died in war. But when you murder innocent people, a civilized society responds and makes it clear that we're not going to stand for that anymore. And I just think there's a lot of people, and by the way, a lot of people on the right that have lost the script and lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. And that is alarming going forward, because if you can't distinguish between good and evil, as you well know, Buck, and as the vast majority of this audience knows, you can be led anywhere. And I think there's a lot of young people being led astray. And I think it's an intentional algorithmic campaign to try and hide the truth from them about October 7th and the response we'll take your calls, talk backs. By the way, none of us get paid. You're getting paid by so and so. I have never taken a dollar from a foreign organization, to my knowledge, in my life. And there's not a lot of people in media that can say that

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Welcome back in to Play and Buck. Let's take some some talkbacks and get some of your calls as well here. This is G. Tom in Tennessee, listens on WLAC play Buck. 100% brother. Way to put it out there on the line. I'm so tired of so many people keeping their mouth shut about what Hamas actually did to Israel. Just like you said, if anybody experienced that, you would be like the punisher going out there to get them. Good job guys. Keep it up. Thanks Tom. Totally true that Hamas could not have acted in a way that was more inhumane, evil and disgusting. And every single one of them who are a part of it and planted should die. A lot of them have. But any of them who are still out there, we should hunt them down and kill them. So yes sir.

[Clay Travis]

They spent years holding hundreds of people hostage. Again, I just take it outside of Israel because people have freighted opinions one way or the other about Israel and about about Palestine and Hamas and like whatever, Arabs, Israel, Israelis, the relationship between Muslims and Jews. What would we do if we had 1200 innocent Americans killed by a Mexican group, a cartel of some sort of and they also kidnapped 200Americans? We would rain down holy hell on them.

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[Buck Sexton]

various platforms, whether I use Grok, some people use Gemini, some people, you know, all these, Claude, all these different things, I'll always say this is not health advice because they don't want to get sued. This is not health advice. I'm not a doctor. Consult your doctor, by the way. I actually agree with that as the, as the guiding principle. But use these things as a tool so you understand more. And then when you actually sit down with your doctor or when you have a consult with your doctor, you are so much more squared away about what your blood work tells you because you can get all these questions out there first and the AI models will come back with real detail telling you about things. And you know, it's also, by the way, you can put, you can put a photo of yourself into AI. I have not done this, but I have friends who have done this who are professional bodybuilders down here in Miami. And it will tell you about the proportionality of, you know, your musculature in your arms versus your legs, your body fat percentage. You can do all, I mean, the amount of data that you have access to now that pertains to your overall health and wellness is, is just leaps and bounds ahead of what it was even 10 or 20 years ago. So I, I, yes, I, I have uploaded my blood, you know, for annual checkup purposes and stuff, I've uploaded my blood work into Grok and then I've asked detailed questions and then gone to my doctor like, hey, so is this, you mentioned this, Is this really? And you can learn so much. And then your questions for the expert are better. I will also tell you, although the experts won't like this, sometimes you'll catch that the expert was actually kind of a little off on something. Doctors don't like this. They don't like Dr. Google. I know, I've experienced too. But all you care about is your own health and you have to be clay. This is one of the reasons why no one will talk about this. But it's true. Why Medicaid fails so miserably is that a lot of people who are on Medicaid are thinking that the system is going to make them healthy, not understanding that you have to navigate that system and bring knowledge to what is going on. If you just show up when things are broken in your body and say, ow, this hurts, fix me. Yeah, sometimes they can do that. But a lot of the time it's going to be much more of a long term issue, a long term fix. You have to find the right specialist, you have to find the right modality of treatment. And this is why people think having a health care card, whether it's from the government or a private company is health care. You know, having health insurance is health care. It's not. Health care is an active process and artificial intelligence makes it far more possible for us to be our best advocates for all of this stuff. So that's, you know, that's my TED Talk on that today for all of you. But I'm telling you,

[Clay Travis]

speaking of fraud, which is what they're having the press conference about right now, Chris Ruffo reports. Buck California spent nearly. This is going to get a lot of you seriously angry in California. And I think this ties in with why Steve Hilton's campaign, why Spencer Pratt's campaign. Hilton for governor, Pratt for Los Angeles mayor is sort of catching fire with a lot of different people out there. California spent buck nearly $189 million to give every prisoner a free iPad. Rufo says. We interviewed a dozen death row inmates who told us prisoners are using the tablets to watch porn, engage in X rated chats and groom minors on the outside. 90,000 iPads the state of California purchased to give every prisoner behind bars a brand new free iPad. I mean, can you imagine? I mean, this is where your tax dollars are going in California. And I, I just listened to Karen Bass. We had this audio pulled. Karen Bass is upset that AI videos that are pro Karen that are pro Spencer Pratt. As the LA mayors race is underway, she says that she's really upset about them. Can we play that? Cut. What's worrying me now is, is that

[Buck Sexton]

his social media is now taking on a violent turn.

[Clay Travis]

And that worries me because when you

[Buck Sexton]

do that and when your messages are so hateful or when you demonize people, people, then you do provoke people who are unstable and you can jeopardize people's safety. You mean like the throwing of the tomatoes? Well, the throwing of the tomatoes which look like blood or drowning me and the governor in a reservoir. But there's also other violent scenes and so I've noticed that, that it's taking on a violent trend.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so this I do believe is going to be a huge test for California next month. You guys are going to be voting, if you're listening to us, in California, you're going to be voting in the mayor's race. You're going to be voting in the, in the governor's race. It's probably not a surprise Spencer Pratt did so well in the LA Mayor debate that the other two primary candidates have refused to debate anymore. I mean, you know, you did well and that it went well for your campaign. When both of the other two candidates say, yeah, we're not going to do this anymore. And I think again, it just comes back to, are people in LA frustrated enough? Are people in California frustrated enough to potentially leave the Democrat tribe and be willing to take a chance on someone like Steve Hilton, on someone like Spencer Pratt? I think it's a legitimate question about how exactly this is going to shake out. This is one of the primaries that I'm most excited to see what the results are because I have the sense that people in California are fed up. I have a lot of good friends in LA and they are fed up. When I, when I talk with them, they are very fed up. Vox is skeptical that anything good.

[Buck Sexton]

I like your op, I like your optimism here, but I gotta tell you, it's amazing, the resilience, the, the enduring quality of lib lunacy in the real hubs of the greater New York City area, Los Angeles. The, these people are so deeply entrenched that telling them things that facing up to how wrong they've been on crime, on climate change, on taxpayers, on anything, it's like telling somebody who's been an ardent believer their whole lives, there's no God. I mean, they can't process, they can't even begin to understand, like the basis for their wrongness because it's so unmooring to them. So this is clay, you know, because I speak from the perspective of somebody who grew up around a lot of these libs in New York, I do not understand how any people ask me, how is it that you grew up in speaking to me, how do you grow up in New York City and you're so right wing? And I mean, I've been asked that question so many times, more times than I can even begin to count. And I always want to say to them, I don't know how anyone else could grow up in New York City, experience life day to day in that city. What happens when Democrats get their way? What happens when Republicans can get their way by and large and not be right wing. I don't understand how it's possible for somebody if they actually believe in safety, rule of law, clean streets, all these things. The conservative stuff always is good and works, and the liberal stuff makes you feel good until you realize that the Crazy homeless people are hitting old ladies over the head with hammers for the hundredth time. That's it. So I don't know and WOR listeners know what I'm talking about, how these psycho libs don't. They don't get the memo. They can't figure this out.

[Clay Travis]

It's been decades. It's why the woman who said that she got shoved down the stairs but she didn't want to prosecute because she was afraid about mass incarceration.

[Buck Sexton]

That, that is, I mean, sorry, Clay, that is encapsulated exactly what I'm saying.

[Clay Travis]

I, I think it's a perfect analogy. And then what happens? An innocent 76 year old gets killed because the guy did to him the same thing that he did to the woman. And I was talking about this last night at dinner and then had a couple of drinks afterwards. I think there is a way and I could be totally wrong on this. I want you guys to think about it. We hear so much about, oh, that lady thought she was being empathetic, right? She thought that by not putting this guy in prison, she also said she didn't want another black guy to be put in jail. I would bet that she was a white woman, liberal, college educated white woman who thought she was being kind by not putting, prosecuting that guy and putting him in prison. What if you redirect the empathy to the people that are actual victims of crime? That 76 year old is dead because that woman's empathy was misdirected towards a criminal and not towards the future victims of that criminal. Can we retrain people's mind to the empathy? The emotion is powerful. I think left wingers have been overtaken by emotional response. But if you want to be incredibly empathetic, shouldn't your empathy go to people who are completely innocent that are going to be victimized and not to the victimizer? That feels like a transition that could occur and an argument that could be made that I hear very few people making. But that situation in New York City is a perfect distillation of it. Woman gets shoved down the stairs, doesn't prosecute the guy who did it. Next time it happens, 76 year old isn't as fortunate. He's dead because she didn't prosecute and that guy wasn't put behind bars.

[Buck Sexton]

This, that is the, the sort of epitome of the urban lib mindset. And it's like something is deeply wrong with them and there's, there's some way that they cannot process their empathy.

[Clay Travis]

Has been, has been taken advantage of and they think they're being good people by doing what she did. And, and that's what I'm saying. Like you did the manufactured delusion. Can we manufacture sanity? Can we manufacture sanity and still use the same empathetic desire which I think women in particular share, generally speaking, more than men? Can we use the empathy to direct the empathy to the actual victims of crime that will occur if the bad guys are not put in prison? That, to me seems like a shift that could occur if it were an argument made. Well, maybe some of you can start to use that argument with people that you interact with in your own life

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

closing up shop here on Clay and Buck for the day and we're gonna have A lot to talk about tomorrow because Trump is in China right now. China. China. A capital C and a Y, I think thrown in there. China.

[Clay Travis]

I was telling you, Buck, this is maybe the first time that we've done a Show since Trump 2.0 where there hasn't been a from Trump during the entirety of our show today. He's sleeping, I presume, in Beijing right now where it's 2:53 in the morning.

[Buck Sexton]

He's like General Tso's chicken. Who would have known? It's the most delicious chicken of all. Chicken. The General. He's a beautiful man. That general is chicken. Lightly fried. Very nice sauce. Beautiful sauce. Are you as General. So for the Chinese food, is that your. For me, I could, I could probably put away 4,000 calories of just general. So if you let me like, I, I go after it.

[Clay Travis]

It's good. It's good. I'm a fan of the General Zork.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

The General Chicken.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Everyone, everyone loves a general. General. So is. I think, I think that's peak Chinese food. I'm just gonna say I think general. So he's, that's, that's why he's the general. You know, he's not the lieutenant or the captain. He's the general for a reason. Top of the heap.

[Clay Travis]

Let's get to some of these podcasts. Talk. And people are fired up because I can't pronounce words. Mateus. I don't know if I got his name right. Of course, he has a complicated name. Mateus, I believe. Is that right? Is that how we would pronounce that podcast listener from California?

[Buck Sexton]

Come on, Clay, do better. It's perfecta mundo. Like Fonzie from Happy Days.

[Clay Travis]

I, I blame producer Ali. Ali, because these are evidently azaleas and I know how to pronounce azalea and I know what that is. And instead she's given me complicated phrases that, that we don't know in advance. And we all know that I can't pronounce anything that I haven't seen before. So this is, this is all Ali's fault. I'm again, not a blame gu. It's Ali's fault. Let's see, do we have any other corral the talkbacks for tomorrow? We had a bunch of them. We're not going to get to a lot of them here, but we will see what happens with day one in Beijing. I'm betting that we will have a lot of news coming out of China tomorrow and we will get to many more of your talkbacks. What do you got for the rest of the day? What are you going to do? Anything fun?

[Buck Sexton]

I'm going to drink a lot of hot tea and perhaps make some ginger tea for myself because that is my favorite of the teas. Because if you couldn't hear, I am. I'm struggling over here. So pushing through.

[Clay Travis]

During one of the commercial breaks, Buck's fantastic wife Carrie came in and said that he was being a wuss with his cold. He lets you have it off air.

[Buck Sexton]

This is. This is true. Wifey lights me up even when I push through and work through my cold. She says that I'm quote, a whiner about it. End quote. Sad.

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