Hour 3 - Iran Predictions

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 - Iran Predictions
Date: February 27, 2026
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode focuses on predictions and analysis regarding the escalating tensions between the U.S., Israel, and Iran, with special guest Deborah Leah, a political commentator recently returned from Israel. Clay, Buck, and Deborah dive into potential U.S. actions against Iran, regime change prospects, regional geopolitics, and public responses. The episode also includes discussions on U.S. domestic politics—including early voting in Texas, the ongoing Epstein controversy, and New York City’s criminal justice issues—infused with the show's signature blend of seriousness, skepticism, and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Iran Tensions and U.S. Response

• Deborah Leah’s Predictions
  • Recent U.S. embassy evacuations in Jerusalem signal imminent action.
  • Likelihood of U.S. strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities before the Monday deadline is high.
  • Strikes are intended to send a message regarding American sovereignty and deterrence after personal threats against President Trump by Iranian MPs.
  • Quote: "I do think that we will definitely see a strike before then." — Deborah Leah [00:32]
• Regime Change Debate
  • The impracticality of U.S.-led regime change in Iran, due to 47 years of entrenched oppression and the Islamic regime’s deep civilian integration.
  • Even decapitating the ruling elite would only see immediate replacements (with four waiting for each leader, according to Khamenei’s arrangements).
  • Quote: "You cannot bomb your way through regime change. We've seen this time and time again. America is kind of notorious for failed regime change." — Deborah Leah [02:21]
  • The predicted result: a protracted conflict rather than a quick resolution.

2. The Limits of Diplomacy and Trust

• On Iran’s Nuclear Ambitions
  • Iranians have publicly stated (per Khomeini) that abandoning nuclear development is "worse than losing a war".
  • Clay raises the paradox that no deal is trustworthy and Iran will not agree to genuine denuclearization.
  • Quote: "There's no way, there's no agreement that we give them where we don't rely on some degree of trust which we can't have in them." — Clay Travis [03:47]
  • Deborah’s response: Strikes are more about maintaining credibility than expecting policy change from the Iranian government.

3. Geopolitical Dynamics: Neighbors and U.S. Allies

• Kicking the Can Down the Road
  • Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and others prefer an incompetent Iranian regime, essentially benefiting from regional chaos that does not threaten their own powers.
  • Allegations that the real outcome even after potential U.S. strikes is just another temporary postponement, with a fragile façade of success for the administration.
  • Quote: "They like playing the middleman... They like being able to fund Iran, fund world terror. But then also if America calls, 'Hey, America, we would love to sell you some weapons or we would love to have your investments in our country.'" — Deborah Leah [07:09]
• Military Movements
  • Notable U.S. assets have shifted, such as fighter planes moving from Qatar’s Doha air base to Israel, signaling a regional readiness for conflict.

4. Domestic Political Calculus

• Trump’s Leverage and Electoral Risks
  • Trump is likely to favor limited, swift strikes to avoid another "forever war", aware of public fatigue and election pressures.
  • Approval ratings and public opinion weigh heavily on timing and scope of military actions.

5. The Iran Threat Assessment

• Iran’s Actual Capabilities
  • Iran alone is not a significant threat to the U.S. due to superior American and Israeli defense (Iron Dome, IDF).
  • The real concern is Iran’s growing relationship with China & Russia, both of whom are supplying advanced weapon systems.
  • Threat of Iranian "sleeper cells" remains, but is mitigated, they argue, by a secure U.S. border.
  • Quote: “Iran alone does not have the power, they don't have the capabilities to hurt America.” — Deborah Leah [11:41]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On regime change limits:

  "There's over 800,000 Iranians who are part of the Islamic regime, who just live among civilians... I don't see any evidence that the Iranian people themselves are capable of overthrowing the regime."
  — Deborah Leah [02:21]

• On the dilemma with striking Iran:

  "Trump has really just been forced into a corner now where if he doesn't strike, it will send a message to the rest of the world...that they can do whatever they want."
  — Deborah Leah [04:35]

• On regional powers’ motivations:

  "They don't want to choose a side because they want to choose whoever wins."
  — Deborah Leah [07:09]

• On the futility of seeking decisive victory:

  "There really is no good outcome where we finish this and have a true win..."
  — Deborah Leah [09:14]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–01:51 — Introduction, Deborah Leah joins, outlines the Iranian situation and predictions of imminent U.S. strikes.
• 01:51–04:35 — Regime change discussion: why a quick decisive outcome is unlikely.
• 04:35–06:04 — Clay/Leah: The trust problem in nuclear negotiations and the strategic bind for Trump.
• 06:04–07:09 — U.S. options are limited; regional power reactions and their preference for status quo.
• 07:09–09:14 — Deborah explains neighboring countries' self-interest and U.S. military repositioning.
• 09:14–11:05 — The only viable U.S. course is limited strikes; war fatigue and electoral impact assessed.
• 11:05–12:31 — Analysis of Iran’s military capabilities and the greater threat posed by China/Russia arms support.

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Listener Calls & Broader Domestic Issues

Major content shifts after the Iran segment:

• Texas Early Voting: Calls from listeners on Republican/Democratic turnout and the strategic importance of GOP primary votes.

  • Advice to listeners: Vote your conscience and for the strongest candidate, not tactical voting. [15:12]

• Epstein Files Controversy:

  • Listeners voice frustration with ongoing political uses of the Epstein case.
  • Clay & Buck clarify that allegations should rely on victims speaking, not just files; debunk common conspiracy narratives.
  • Memorable moment: The hosts push back sternly against “crazy town” theories about coded messages and global cabals.
  • Quote: "I'm here for you. You know, step, step, step away from the crazy town a little bit on this stuff." — Clay Travis [32:14]

• NYC Law Enforcement:

  • Outrage over DA Alvin Bragg downgrading charges in a high-profile assault on police officers.
  • Commentary on progressive law enforcement policies and their impact on public safety.

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Tone & Style

• Direct, confrontational, and skeptical regarding unsubstantiated conspiracy narratives.
• Candid and frank about limited options for U.S. foreign policy.
• Humorous asides and incredulity employed to deal with far-fetched caller claims.
• Awards credit to politically savvy listeners for deep engagement with elections and topical understanding.

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Useful for Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode delivers an informed, skeptical analysis of the Iran situation from a center-right perspective, emphasizing the limited options available to U.S. policymakers, the improbability of regime change, and the performative nature of regional reactions. Domestic segments reinforce the show’s disdain for conspiracy theories and commitment to candid, sometimes blunt, political analysis. If you're seeking a recap balancing global news with U.S. electoral consequences and caller-driven discussion—in the unvarnished Clay and Buck style—this summary covers it all.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human third hour play in book kicks off right now. And Debra Leah is with us now. She is a political commentator. You see her on Fox. You see her all over the place these days. She was actually just over in Israel. Can tell us a bit about that experience. But we're going to look Deborah, ahead a bit with you as well into this weekend, a looming deadline, Iran. Tell us what you know, what you see coming and how concerned should people be about all this.

[Deborah Leah]

I would just like to state on the record I am not Mossad before anybody makes any accusations for the information about to put forward. But it's great to join you guys. This has been something that in Israel every single weekend they've been preparing. I was there for about two and a half weeks in the end of January till February. And at that point we really thought it was going to happen. It cooled off and now the time has come. They have evacuated non emergency personnel from the embassy in Jerusalem. And and the last time that President Trump did this earlier in June, it was exactly seven days later that the US Joined the fight to strike Iran's nuclear facilities. And so I think that this is going to be no different. We've seen this is a very interesting international politics moment for the world and I think it's going to change international politics going forward. If President Trump doesn't act and he has been threatened, the members of parliament have threatened to send him in a casket and celebrate him being in a casket. And so more than just nuclear weapons or nuclear facilities, this is really in terms of American sovereignty, will we allow these Islamic countries to threaten the president and not do anything in return? I personally don't think that we can allow that to continue. And I think that President Trump is on the same mindset here. And so the deadline ends on Monday and I do think that we will indefinitely or definitely see a strike before then.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, Deborah, thanks for coming on. Where does this lead Buck and I were talking about in the last hour. One of the big challenges is how extensive are the attacks? How much do they actually target Iran's rulers? To what extent is the debate now about the potential power vacuum? Who would take over? What could happen? Where does this go? What is the goal beyond potentially ending the nuclear ambition of Iran? Does it extend into regime change?

[Deborah Leah]

Yeah, absolutely. This has been something that all of us have been wondering and I think this is definitely the reason that the strikes have been delayed. We heard weeks ago Trump said help was on the way. And then obviously we went into negotiations and the problem that exists for President Trump and international politics at large is that you cannot bomb your way through regime change. We've seen this time and time again. America is kind of notorious for failed regime change. And so when it comes to Iran, after 47 years of oppression, it's very unlikely that there's the highest level of individuals needed to actually overthrow the government. There's over 800,000 Iranians who are part of the Islamic regime, who just live among civilians. So, looking forward, what we think is the most likely outcome, or what I think is most likely outcome is pressure. I don't think that Trump is going to take out the ayatollah, and if he did, there are four people for every single leader of the Islamic regime. There are four people waiting to take their place that Khamenei has already lined up. So what I think is a likely outcome here is not a good one for America, for Israel, or for anyone. I don't think that this is going to be a quick one strike and we're done situation. I think that this would go on longer than the war in the summertime. And I don't think regime change is possible at this point in time. So as an American, as a strong, proud Jew, I hope President Trump strikes to send a message to. But with these strikes, I don't see any evidence that the Iranian people themselves are capable of over overthrowing the regime.

[Clay Travis]

What about the strikes? What message do you think they would likely send other than, I'm willing to blow up your stuff if you don't do what I want? It seems to me the problem on the nuclear program is there's no way, there's no agreement that we give them where we don't rely on some degree of trust which we can't have in them. And therefore, they won't agree because if they prove that they do what we want, then we actually get what we want. Does that make sense? Do you see what I'm saying? Like, there's, we keep coming back to this place of Iran needs to agree to a deal where we can be sure they're not doing the nuclear thing. And we go through this, and we go through this, and then it's, yeah, they're not going to agree to that. I feel like they're still not going to agree to agree to it, even if we hit them.

[Deborah Leah]

Oh, you're absolutely right. And Khomeini has said himself that that will never happen. And Iran giving up their nuclear facilities is worse than them losing a war internally. And so that's Been as an American, the catch 22 that I've been watching and kind of a little bit upset about in a way that I grew up in the mindset of we don't negotiate with terrorists. And so entering negotiations to begin with, I do not know what the Trump administration was thinking the outcome would be because they're not going to change their mind. But when it comes to strikes, Trump has really just been forced into a corner now where if he doesn't strike, it will send a message to the rest of the world, the non Western world, that they can do whatever they want, they can threaten America, they can kill their citizens and the Western world will not do anything about it. But again, President Trump striking is really not going to beget regime change. It's not going to change the outcome with the nuclear facilities. They've moved them underground. And so I hate to say it, I wish there was a better answer, but there is no good answer to this conflict. And I think that we need to put a little bit more, not pressure, but a little bit more spotlight on the Iranian people themselves. There is no other. As much as I have deep, deep sympathy and I want them to be free, I can't think of any other conflict in the history of the world where the people who have the responsibility have none. The Iranian people, we've kind of taken them out of the equation here. How would they play an effect into this? We, we have Israel, we have America waiting on standby. But I would like to see more efforts or at least more communication from the Iranian people about what boots on the ground support America or Israel will have if deciding to strike them.

[Buck Sexton]

We're talking to Deborah Leah about the situation in Iran. Okay, so if there's not going to be a change in leadership in Iran, we're not going to effectively decapitate the current theocracy. Then isn't this just more of kicking the can down the road? To buck's point, we know we can't trust Iran and at some point there probably will be another Democrat administration in office like Obama that they can take advantage of, make a lot of claims to lie and just kind of recreate this situation time after time. So that's point one, point two on this. Is there any to your knowledge or ability to kind of divine, what is Saudi Arabia, what a Qatar? What do the other Muslim countries want to happen to Iran? Because it seems to me that they actually like them having an incompetent government because in some way it elevates their own governments without having to worry about A competent government to compete with in the region.

[Deborah Leah]

Great points. And that's essentially what I was going to say. This is the most likely outcome and the best outcome would be kicking the can down the road if the Trump administration launches some level of strikes that we've seen. We have the highest amount of defense weaponry in the region, ships, everything is based in Israel waters around the region. The most likely outcome is kicking the can down the road, striking a few facilities and scaring the regime into agreeing. Okay, for the next five years, we won't build nuclear sites or we won't enrich uranium, which we know we can't trust them. So that would be a win on the face of it for the Trump administration. Look at us, we did what we were going to say. Would we do. Is it an overall win for international politics? Most likely not. And in terms of geopolitics in the region, we actually saw, I was trying to verify it because there's a lot of, you know, misinformation around this, but the air base in Doha, one of America's largest air bases in the Middle east, is, doesn't have any active fighter pilots or fighter jets waiting there right now. They've been moved to an air base inside of Israel. And so that, that is very interesting to see that. We've had these far right, alt right commentators saying Qatar is our best friend. But when push comes to shove in the region, does not seem that they will help us fight a nuclear Iran. And a lot of these, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, they like playing the middleman. They like being able to fund Iran, fund world terror. But then also if America calls, hey, America, we would love to sell you some weapons or we would love to have your investments in our country. And so they're waiting. They don't want to choose a side because they want to choose whoever wins. And that's the difference between us and the Islamic world, is that we believe in freedom and goodness. Regardless of the outcome. We don't wait to see who the victor is to choose them. We choose good and God values as victory every single time.

[Clay Travis]

Speaking of Deborah, Leah here. Deborah. So then is, is it, is it fair to say that in your estimation. I'm just trying to see, based on what, what you're saying, how you're viewing this issue, that the best option for the Trump administration is limited strikes and then essentially status quo, or is there something that needs to be done that hasn't yet been done?

[Deborah Leah]

I, I wish that there was a better answer here. And I love President Trump and I love his administration. But given the circumstances and given how long he's waited now to retaliate, it's been weeks, almost over a month and a half since the original regime was killing protesters. And so given the timing, the most like, the really only probable and good outcome the Trump administration can guarantee right now is some sort of strong limited strikes within a couple hours, have our pilots out of the airspace by the time that it reaches the public, and scare the Iranian regime into at least negotiating more. But there really is no good outcome where we were able to finish this and have a true win the Trump administration can bring home for the region and America and Americans. I think I speak for a lot of us now that we are not interested in another forever war. And President Trump knows this with the midterms coming up, that beginning a war that will not be over, like the 12 Day War with Iran in June, will do very, very badly in this country in terms of American public perception. And his approval rating is already a little bit lower than normal right now. So we know Trump loves to be loved and doing anything in the region that won't bring home something he can brag about. I don't think he's interested in that. So to sum it up nicely, I have a really good feeling that strikes are going to happen Sunday night. I, I don't think that they're going to kill the regime. They're not going to take out Khamenei. And something that Buck and I actually spoke about earlier this week is that a big challenge for America has been the limited communications with the Iranian regime. They have one point of contact, and if that point of contact falls off, they're pretty much in the dark. And that's a really difficult situation given the lack of other allies around Iran. So they're playing it lightly. And there is no real win that Trump can bring home outside of limited talks and then some sort of short term agreement. Let's pick this up come December next year and see where we're at.

[Buck Sexton]

Last question, Deborah. We appreciate the time last time in June, as you referenced the 12 Day War, we heard a lot about, oh, there's going to be significant American casualties or Iran is going to fire back and we're going to see World War 3. Iran didn't do basically anything and did not appear to have much ability to do anything. Do we have any sense for whether they have better or worse capabilities? I would actually presume worse. In other words, is there anything Americans or even Israel should really fear from Iran at this point?

[Deborah Leah]

We should not be afraid of Iran, but we should be cautious about China and Russia who have been selling weapons and certain defense missiles to Iran over the last couple of weeks and months. It's unclear because they don't want us to know if they've reached Iran how many anti missile defense systems that they have gained now from China and Russia. But that is something to absolutely keep an eye on in the region and that's something that's not new to us. You know, all of our enemies join together when it comes to attacking America, but Iran alone does not have the power, they don't have the capabilities to hurt America. The best that they could do is shoot some rockets at Israel, but America has the Iron Dome protecting Israel. Israel has the IDF protecting their own borders. And so Americans, the only thing we should fear is the Iranian regime sending over sleeper cells into our country. But thankfully we have a closed border now. And so we really should not fear Iran. They can't touch us.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you for the time, Deborah. Leah, for people out there who are interested in following you along during this Iranian latest imbroglio. You said Sunday night you think the attack might come. Where can they find you?

[Deborah Leah]

Find me on Twitter, on Instagram, TikTok every now and then, the Deborah Leia and everything. And it was great to join you guys. Thanks for having me.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you so much. We come back, we'll take some loaded lines. Still a lot of people wanting to weigh in on Open Line Friday. A lot of talk backs. We will dive into all of that but we want you to know we have now entered the 25th anniversary year of 9 11. It's kind of crazy to think that it has been 25 years since 9 11. But remember yesterday marked the 33rd year since the first World center terror attack. Six people died including a pregnant woman. Monica Rodriguez Smith scores more injured than when a van exploded in the parking garage. It was such a massive blast carved out nearly 100 foot crater several stories deep. People forget about it because of the one that followed eight years later. But it's sobering to consider why this location has been such a target for so long. Only 14 states teach the history of 911 and our sponsor Tunnel of the Towers is dedicated to making sure our kids never forget through the Tunnel to Towers Institute and their 911 curriculum. These are educational resources based on first person accounts for grades K through 12. The tunnel to Towers Mobile exhibit is a teaching resource high tech 83 foot tractor trailer which transforms into a museum on wheels around the nation. From the Black Hills of South Dakota to the Tennessee State Fairgrounds. It is a big difference maker and the exhibits traveled to nearly 50 states and Canada and educated over a million people to date. In order to never forget, we need to educate. You can help in those efforts by joining Buck and me in donating 11amonth to tunnel the [e-mail] that's t the number 2t.org

[Clay Travis]

sometimes all you can do

[Buck Sexton]

is laugh and they do a lot of it with the Sunday hang. Join Clay and Buck as they laugh it up in the Clay and Buck Podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Play Travis Buck Sexton Show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Loading lines. Lots of talkbacks. Teresa in New Braunfels, Texas, you wanted to tell us today is the last day of early voting. Primary in Texas is Tuesday. Fire away.

[Deborah Leah]

That's it. And I am concerned about all these Democrats or these Republicans calling in and it feels like they're giving up their vote to vote for Crockett. There are some really important choices to be made on the Republican side and they're giving that up. We've got AG Attorney General Paxton's leaving. He was effective. Some people are ready to get John Cornyn out and make a different choice there. There's some really important elections on the Republican side, and those people are giving that up. We have to have faith that if we vote for who we believe is the strongest person, someone that we can say that we were proud to vote for, that they will beat the Democrats in the general and not give that vote up. I say quit playing games. Go in and vote like you're supposed to vote. Vote for someone you believe in and they'll be strong enough to beat the Democrats. It's too important on the Republican side to give all that up, I'd say.

[Clay Travis]

I really take it as a testament to the show that we have so many politically astute and eloquent listeners who call in on a regular basis. It's pretty amazing when you think about it. It really is.

[Buck Sexton]

Matt in Erie, Pennsylvania, go vote. Last day of early voting. And if you're not early voting, go vote on Tuesday. Already Democrats have voted in bigger numbers than they did in the past primary, but Republicans have actually turned out bigger than they did in 2022 as well. So already those numbers have been exceeded. Matt and Erie, Pa. Hey, how you guys doing?

[Clay Travis]

All right, I'm just gonna get right to it. I'm calling about the Epstein files. Oh, and yeah, well, you know, here's the thing. Everybody's sick of it and it's not what you think. So the deal is Trump, during his first term, he was the one that was that called out Epstein and he, his DOJ was ones that threw him in prison. Let us not forget that. What was it? It was almost five, six, seven years before Epstein was in prison, before he went to jail. Like seven years before the Trump coj threw him in prison. And that was Trump who called him out. There isn't anybody on this planet earth that Epstein hated more than a thousand blazing suns than Trump. He had to do with. He had to do. He hated Trump. Think about it. Is is the commies. I can't. I'm just tired of it. Like they're so stupid. They will poke and poke and poke and poke and poke and poke and poke and find a weak point.

[Buck Sexton]

That weak point happens to be the

[Clay Travis]

very thing that is hard for Normie Norma and Normie Normans to defend.

[Buck Sexton]

And that is the pedophile thing. And that is because the average American lives and breathes off of the headlines

[Clay Travis]

and doesn't delve into stories.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Look, I will stick by it. If you're the kind of person who sees a police officer and thinks I need to hit someone with a snowball with him, I just think the odds that you are 100% law abiding are minimal because that's not something that someone normally does in that context. And it's disappointing, but it's reflective of what left wing DAs do. Remember when they charged Trump with all the felonies, the 34 felonies over bookkeeping, whatever it was that was elevating what is traditionally a misdemeanor to a felony. And what it did was fly in the face of the reality of what most left wing DA's do. Which is lower felonies to misdemeanor. In other words, there's. It's very rare that they charge higher. It's very common that they charge lower. And unfortunately, this guy, I would predict, will be arrested at some point in the next few years for yet another crime because he is not actually likely to continue to follow the law as he was not already. And here's cut. I think we have a couple of these. Cut. 14 and 15. You can play these. This is the police benevolent, Benevolent Association.

[Clay Travis]

We need answers.

[Buck Sexton]

Because it's clear as day right now, as we all know, that this was

[Clay Travis]

no few kids getting together, snowball fight. This was an attack on the uniform that these police officers wear so proudly every day. They came after these police officers, pelting them with ice, rocks. The ice was packed with rocks. That's what they were doing.

[Buck Sexton]

They follow them all the way to the van. So the notion that the mayor is

[Clay Travis]

putting off, that this was just a few kids having a soul, playful snowball, snowball fight. Not true.

[Buck Sexton]

Not true at all.

[Clay Travis]

The fact is, this was a blatant attack on the uniform that they wear so proudly every day. You know, I really think that Mamdani should invite people, invite his fellow New Yorkers to, whenever they feel like it, have a playful snowball fight with him, just go for it. You know, why not? He seems to have no problem with it. Be. Hey, guys, you want to throw snowballs at me? The mayor, I, you know, he. He should give people permission to snowball fight him if he feels that way, because I could tell you he would cry like a little girl after the first snowball hit him like a little schoolgirl.

[Buck Sexton]

Um, let's go to your calls. A bunch of different people. We said we were going to continue to let you guys fire away. Stephen in Birmingham, Alabama. Stephen, what you got?

[Clay Travis]

Hey, guys, thank you for taking my call. Just got a very quick question for you. What? And I know y' all are blue in the face of talking about Epstein. Oh, God. My question, please know, am I. I'm just kidding. Go ahead. My question to you is. Is what. What has been blowing my mind and confusing me is the. The, you know, if women were the 10, 12, 14 years young, of course we want to protect them from any kind of, you know, lawsuits or anything like that. But these women that have been abused are in their late 20s, 30s, and 40s. Why in the world are we going through all the legal process to talk about Bill Clinton, to talk about Donald Trump, talk about Bill Gates? Why is it that you just don't ask the women, who did you have sex with? It's that simple.

[Buck Sexton]

This is. This is. Thank you for the call, Stephen. You're nailing the issue here. If there are people that allege that they were abused, that someone committed crimes against them, they should speak out. Let me point this out. There is now a press conference being held. The Bill Clinton deposition is over. That's why we brought it up during the course of the. The beginning of the program today. I'm pointing this out. Were any of the Epstein protesters, these women who say they were survivors, did they show up for Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton's deposition? I haven't seen it. If they did, when Pam Bondi was testifying, they were there. Let me ask you this. Isn't it interesting that they're only showing up to protest when Republicans are doing public events?

[Clay Travis]

This is what this reminds me, and she deserves all the credit for it. She was the only one who had the stones to call it out. At the time, a long time ago, when John Kerry was running against Bush, there was this group of four women who were always referred to in the media as the 911 widows. And Ann Coulter, who was fearless, was like, they're not the 911 widows. They're four Democrats who are getting rich and famous now, cutting commercials for John Kerry and speaking without permission, without, you know, the say so for thousands of other widows, many of whom did not want John Kerry to be in charge of some kind of answer. But, Clay, because of the emotions around that, a lot of people. Oh, I can't be seen as criticizing the widows. And there's a similar thing going on here with, okay, the survivors were. Okay, were you. Were you. Were you of age the whole time? Were you an adult in your 20s when you were dealing with Epstein then? And so you're a survivor of what you're saying. You were paid money as an adult. Well, then there's a word for that, by the way, if you're an adult who's receiving money for. So now you say, were you coerced into this? Because then that would be. You know, then that can get involved in something else. That can be trafficking. But why? They're the only ones who can give us. Everyone keeps looking for. This is your point, Clay. Everyone keeps looking for the answers in the files. The women have the answers, and people who say they can't speak are deluding themselves.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. This is why, as someone who has done these investigations before, if someone commits a crime against you, you are the primary witness. Go to authorities and tell us who committed the crime against you so that they can be charged. You said it. I think you said it. Well, it's not. I would prefer that happen. Arguably they have an obligation to do it because if someone is engaging in criminal behavior against you, they're likely to engage in criminal behavior against someone else. By the way, they just had the press conference. James Comer says that one of the Democrats asked Bill Clinton did he ever hear, hear or see Trump suggesting that he was potentially involved. Cut 28 let's listen. This is Bill Clinton's answer per James

[Clay Travis]

Comer, ranking member Garcia asked President Clinton, quote, should, should President Trump be called to answer questions from this committee? And President Clinton said that's for you to decide. And the president went on to say that the President Trump has never said anything to me to make me think he was involved. And he met with Epstein.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, so now Bill Clinton is covering for Donald Trump. I mean, I guess the conspiracist would say that.

[Clay Travis]

Or let's, let's deal with this one right now. Steven Tucson look, guys, sometimes at our Thanksgiving table here, we're going to have it out a little bit and some of you want to have it open to this and that's fine. And we still love the country together and we still want what's best for America and we agree on a lot of things, but we're going to have to agree to disagree on some of this stuff. Stephen Tucson for example, play cut s here. I think the reason why the women don't come forward on the Epstein case, look what happened to Epstein and jail. You don't think they're scared for their lives? If they spill the names out of these super, super rich people, they'll be gone. They'll be taken out. I understand why they won't come forward because of that.

[Buck Sexton]

Scared for their lives. But I understand why.

[Clay Travis]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, listen to me, Steve, ok? Listen to me. We're having a little intervention here. These women are holding press conferences every five minutes, ok? They've already been paid millions and millions of dollars. They're already on the record. They're scared for their lives. They're trying to be in the public eye as much as humanly possible. Years and years, I might add, after this suppose after this stuff happened. And also I think the number, I mean, I'm paying attention to books these days. Virginia Giuffre is memoir is one of the top selling books in America right now.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

So these people are getting rich and famous over telling Their story. And you're going to tell me that they're afraid of telling their story? I don't even know what to say. Who is going to go after them? Are you kidding? Think of like, what. Think of all the people that have eyes on these, these victims.

[Buck Sexton]

You think you're just gonna. If you thought it's just to go down the rabbit hole. Because I sometimes will go down the rabbit hole and just try to logically analyze it. If you thought that you were likely to be killed if you spoke out, would you have weekly press conferences where you demanded that charges be brought and go on every television network on the planet so that everybody could see exactly who you were? That just doesn't add up.

[Clay Travis]

You know how I knew that Valerie Plain was a big phony over the whole CIA leak thing? Because she's like, oh my gosh, my cover is blown. She was doing Vanity Fair covers within days. Vanity Fair covers everybody. Oh, my cover's blown. I'm so worried about all my assets.

[Buck Sexton]

Please. All right, we're going to play Walt here in advance. Walt is insane on this issue. But I'm trying to put all, put all, everything out in public. This is Walt's talkback. He's also from Tucson. Listen, Buck, do you not know that

[Clay Travis]

pizza is a code language for pedophilia?

[Deborah Leah]

I thought this was widely known for a long time.

[Clay Travis]

This whole thing goes way beyond just having sex with young ladies.

[Buck Sexton]

There's this satanic ritualism of blood drinking, adrenochrome, cannibalism, even transhumanism.

[Clay Travis]

You need to do a lot deeper dive. This is just demonic cult like behavior.

[Buck Sexton]

This is not happening.

[Clay Travis]

No, I don't know that pizza is code for. I don't, I don't know this. I know people might have said this, but I actually know people who do child exploitation investigations. I've actually been around people who dealt with cyber crimes in the nypd, for example. Like I worked with them, okay? And I know thing and I've never heard this before in my life, so I've never come across this before, that there's some code word that, that is being used by all these people. So every time someone makes a reference to pizza in any of these millions and millions of emails, it's a cover

[Buck Sexton]

for pedophilia and murdering kids and drinking their blood.

[Clay Travis]

Guys, guys, I'm, I'm here for you. You know, step, step, step away from the crazy town a little bit on this stuff. I'm with you on so much of this. The Epstein cover up the Epstein. Mistakes that were made in the doj, and I think some of it was bad faith. I think there was corruption. I think that's true. I think. But like the, the, the global eating children pedophile ring that, that everyone at the top of the government is covering up for each other on. Because they're all implicated. But there's no evidence, there's no evidence to get any of them charged. And somehow Donald Trump is not willing to take it to them. He's our hero on everything, but on this issue, he's compromised too. I'm sorry, man. You guys. No, no. And by the way, be like, oh, I'm going to go, go. Fine. Go listen to one of the lunatics that's going to tell you this stuff is true. Because guess what? Anyone who's doing a show and they're saying there really is a global ring of. They're lunatics.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. People aren't drinking the blood of children. Powerful people. Uh, it, it, it doesn't exist. And it's like, oh, of course you're gonna say that. Cuz what? I'm in the global drinking the blood of children in my free time when I'm not raising my three kids. Come on. This is crazy.

[Clay Travis]

I, I really mean this, man. I respect the people who listen to this show too much to lie to all of them, to placate a portion of them. It's not happening.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Not gonna ever do it. So I'm sorry if people. Some, by the way, it's not. Most of you are like, stop talking about this. I want to. I'm so done. I hate this. But Republicans are making it a thing. Republicans are deposing a former President of the United States today.

[Buck Sexton]

They are having a, they're going to have press conferences today. Because Democrats did not go into this dumbly. They were not being stupid. They said if we give them Bill and Hillary Clinton for a deposition, we're going to say Trump and Melania have to be deposed. And if they won't do it, what are they covering up? It's going to be a big part of their midterm argument. I'm just telling you what's coming. And I think that Republicans have kind of walked into a hornet's nest here. And I don't think they've understood what exactly they are stepping into. And I think it's because a lot of people are afraid to just say, yeah, some of this stuff is crazy and it's not happening. A lot of office holders, a lot of people in media, they're afraid to just say this is crazy town. Jump off the crazy town train on some of this. By the way, I want to tell you, if you love college basketball, easy transition there.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, we all love college basketball.

[Buck Sexton]

Yay.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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