Hour 3 - Is Buck Ron Swanson?

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 3 – Is Buck Ron Swanson?
Date: January 16, 2026
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Host: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Guest: Brooke Rollins, Secretary of Agriculture

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Episode Overview

This episode features an in-depth conversation with Brooke Rollins, Secretary of Agriculture in the Trump administration. The primary focus is on the newly launched “Making America Healthy Again” (MAHA) initiative, major changes to the U.S. food pyramid and dietary guidelines, inflation and food prices, SNAP benefits reform, and broader commentary on college football culture and Texas traditions. The hour weaves policy discussions with humor and personal stories, particularly as Clay and Buck banter about sports rivalries and Buck’s supposed resemblance to Ron Swanson.

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Key Discussion Points

1. New Dietary Guidelines and Food Pyramid Reform

[02:49–05:00]

• Brooke Rollins reveals sweeping changes: Rollins details the reversal of the old “carb-heavy” food pyramid, moving towards a protein, real food, and whole milk-based system.

  • Brooke Rollins: “Instead of focusing on...carbohydrates and breads...we flipped it to eat real food, protein, butter, whole milk, fruits, vegetables, that this will fundamentally transform our nation.” [04:00]

• Driving factors: Chronic disease crisis and government spending on healthcare.

  • “Forty cents of every American tax dollar goes to treating chronic disease, most of which is tied to poor diet, lack of exercise.” [04:20]

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2. Addressing Food Prices and Supporting American Farmers

[05:00–08:50]

• Inflation and SNAP under Biden vs. Trump: Rollins explains Biden-era inflation in food/labor/fuel, the explosive rise in SNAP program spending (up by 40%), and contrast with the Trump administration's efforts to reduce these costs.

  • “The cumulative inflation over four years of Biden was over 23%. This is astounding.” [06:20]

• Policy initiatives: Refocusing government nutrition programs to support American farmers by procuring more real, local food.

  • “As we begin to move the American diet back toward eating real food...our American farmers...will begin to move into a golden age.” [08:24]

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3. SNAP Program Reform and Health Equity

[09:34–11:34]

• Accessibility for vulnerable populations: New requirements for SNAP retailers to stock double the healthy, real food in line with new guidelines—including frozen and canned options.

  • “250,000 retailers...now requiring them to stock twice as much...healthy, real food. Frozen is fine. Canned is okay. Fresh is obviously great.” [09:50]

• National security angle: Chronic illness among youth undermining military readiness.

  • “Three out of four young adults, 75% of American young adults cannot pass our military readiness test.” [11:20]

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4. College Football, Texas Traditions, and Secretary Rollins' Roots

[11:34–16:44]

• Brooke’s Aggie Pride: Rollins shares her allegiance to Texas A&M and details her journey from Aggieland to the University of Texas for law school, with lighthearted ribbing over college rivalries.

  • “I am an Aggie through and through. I like to say that I increased the IQ of both schools when I left Texas A and M and went over to the University of Texas.” [12:13]

• College football culture: Advice for Buck at the national title game and ongoing efforts to “convert” President Trump into a college football fan.

  • Brooke Rollins to Buck: “Other than fighting for America, there is no greater pastime than college football, period. Full stop. No arguments, no question.” [14:12]

• Miami vs. Indiana prediction: Rollins picks Miami, mentions her Miami ties and admiration for both teams.

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5. Texas Rivalries and College Football Hand Gestures

[16:18–17:54]

• Hook ‘em vs. Gig ‘em: Clay and Buck fumble through the proper hand signals, with Rollins and listeners offering corrections.

  • “When hook them is like, you're Aggie. Like you want to hook them. Hook them. Horns. The. The A M is. And everybody else really, who plays Texas is the opposite of that. You go horns down.” — Buck Sexton [16:48–17:19]

• Texas is a major listenership hub: Clay and Buck discuss their large Texas audience and plans to broadcast from Texas around the upcoming primary.

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6. Trump, Iran, Venezuela, and Foreign Policy Analysis

[28:12–32:53]

• Foreign affairs Q&A: Buck and Clay react to Trump’s statements on Iran (regarding executions), Venezuela (power transitions), and the Insurrection Act.

  • Trump on Iran executions: “They didn't hang anyone. They canceled the hangings. That had a big impact.” [28:23]
  • Trump (on using the Insurrection Act): “If I needed it, I'd use it. I don't think there's any, any reason right now to use it, but if I needed it, I'd use it. It's very powerful.” [30:20]
  • Buck: “These are tough calls...You're always making difficult determinations with lots of different variables and input that are changing in real time...No one really has the answers or knows.” [32:07]

• Analysis on intervention: They emphasize the complexity of foreign interventions and the need for a decisive approach.

  • Buck, channeling Ron Swanson: “Never half ass two things. Whole ass one thing.” [34:29]

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7. Listener Engagement, Army and Trucker Shout-Outs, and Show Community

[40:43–43:45]

• Audience demographics: The hosts play “talkback” voicemails from listeners, including truckers, Army veterans, and a grandma.

  • “The truckers with us three hours at a time...It's a great honor.” — Clay Travis [41:07]
  • “Grandmas are the most listeners.” — Listener Monica from San Diego [42:37]

• Guns and military service: Clay riffs on audience members’ firearm preferences, highlighting wide generational appeal.

• Minnesota humor: Listener corrections on regional terminology add levity.

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8. Show Wrap-Up and Coming Events

[25:23, 27:32, 44:18]

• Plans for Texas primary coverage: The hosts tease special broadcasts from Texas for the upcoming March 3rd primaries.
• Encouragement to check out the podcast feed and upcoming events.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Brooke Rollins on food policy:
  “We flipped the pyramid...to eat real food, protein, butter, whole milk, fruits, vegetables, that this will fundamentally transform our nation.” [04:00]

• On fiscal impact:
  “This is going to save the American taxpayer hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars.” — Rollins [09:34]

• Clay Travis, about listener truckers:
  “The truckers with us three hours at a time...It's a great honor.” [41:07]

• Rollins’ Aggie pride:
  “I like to say that I increased the IQ of both schools when I left Texas A and M and went over to the University of Texas.” [12:13]

• Buck’s misstep on hand signals:
  “You need to throw the horns down.” [16:40]

• Rollins, on college football:
  “Other than fighting for America, there is no greater pastime than college football, period. Full stop.” [14:12]

• Ron Swanson callback:
  “Never half ass two things. Whole ass one thing.” — Buck quoting Ron Swanson [34:29]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:49] Brooke Rollins joins, discusses food pyramid and MAHA
• [05:00] Rollins on grocery prices, inflation, and support for American farmers
• [09:34] SNAP, food access, and health security
• [12:13] Aggie pride and Texas rivalry discussion
• [14:12] College football culture and Miami pick
• [28:12] International policy: Iran, Venezuela, Insurrection Act
• [34:29] Ron Swanson philosophy on decision-making
• [40:43] Listener call-ins: truckers, military, grandmas

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Tone and Style

The conversation balances serious policy debate with humor, warmth, and insider banter—particularly around sports rivalries (“hook ‘em”, “gig ‘em”) and Buck’s “Ron Swanson” persona. The language is direct, conversational, and lighthearted, interspersed with policy expertise.

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Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Better third hour of play And Buck kicks off right now with a cabinet member in this Trump administration. Brooke Rollins joins us. She is the Secretary of Agriculture. Secretary Rollins, welcome to the program.

[Brooke Rollins]

Well, I think this is my first time, guys. It's really fun to be on with y'.

[Clay Travis]

All.

[Brooke Rollins]

Thank you.

[Clay Travis]

We are very, very pleased and honored to have you. Something we have a lot to talk to you about, actually. But one thing that, that sticks out right away because I even remember being a kid and looking at the food pyramid and thinking to myself, 12 servings of grain a day, that seems like a, that seems like a lot of Cheerios and a lot of, a lot of bread. It turns out it was not a good idea. And now we have a different, finally, a different food pyramid. Speak to us about the Maha movement and how you're involved in it.

[Brooke Rollins]

Well, yeah, I tell you, it's been an amazing two weeks here in Washington. Who knew if you had told me a year ago that as I was becoming the Secretary of Agriculture and very proud to do that, one of the biggest agencies but supporting rural America, our farmers and ranchers, that a man by the name of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Bobby, whom I had never even met before, that A, he would become one of my best friends, B, he would also become my key partner in making America healthy again. Or maybe I should say I would become his key partner in making America healthy again. And C, we would have the opportunity under President Trump's leadership, to completely change the trajectory of American health and the American way of life. And I think that's, I think that's how big this is. Last week, we announced the new dietary guidelines. We flipped the pyramid to your point. And instead of focusing on, you know, carbohydrates and breads, and that being the most important thing, we flipped it to eat real food, protein, butter, whole milk, fruits, vegetables, that this will fundamentally transform our nation. The final thing I'll say on that is we have a massive chronic disease crisis in this country. 40 cents of every American tax dollar goes to treating chronic disease, most of which is tied to poor diet, lack of exercise, which leads to a pre diabetic, diabetic, obese population. So there's so much we can do, so much we can talk about, but it's been a big couple of weeks.

[Buck Sexton]

We're talking with Brooke Rollins, Secretary of Agriculture. She manages also to be a Texas A and M Aggie and a Texas Longhorn alum. We will ask about that. Be sure, be sure that's coming. I'm just going to give you a preview that, that is coming. So let me ask you this. The number one thing that a lot of people are focused on is cost of groceries, right? You hear it, we hear it. Everybody out there feels that unfortunately, because of the Biden era, everything went up in a massive degree in a very short period of time. What can we do to produce more American agriculture right here in the good old usa, particularly when it comes to beef and help to drive down prices? What do you expect we will start to see throughout 2026 as it pertains to that issue?

[Brooke Rollins]

Yeah, it's such a great, great question, Clay. And here's what I'll say. I, I was in the first Trump administration. I ran the Domestic Policy Council, so I was in charge of the President's entire domestic agenda. In Trump 1, I knew that what was going to happen when Joe Biden was sworn in in January of 2021, that prices would skyrocket. The BO we would be more in more foreign entanglements. I mean, we just, we just knew it was not an America first approach to governing. What I didn't realize, and I probably should have, was just how bad things would be and realizing that when I came back around, obviously to serve in the President's Cabinet in Trump 2.0 to your point, the cumulative inflation over four years of Biden was over 23%. This is astounding. But when you look at the sort of the foundation of that, all of the spending, I mean, I took over a department that manages food stamps. The SNAP program, it increased 40% under Joe Biden. We saw the spending out of control at every single level of government. We saw the borders open. There is no doubt that, you know, and I was an agriculture major, but even me, my ag major degree would tell you that you spend more money, you take more tax dollars, you're going to create an inflationary, Everything's going to go up. But we've already seen things start to come way down, whether it's fuel in sector. Under Biden, labor went up 47%, fuel went up 32%, interest rates went up 73%. So that driver of inputs, while there were no new trade deals, basically meant that our farmers are struggling, our food is increasing. It's just been a complete disaster. But all of that has already begun to come down. We've already seen inflation come down, wages go up, mortgages come down, fuel come down. But we've got a lot more work to do. I'll say this kind of in closing, and I think this is what's probably for me the most exciting thing about what's happened under Trump 2, year one, not only are prices coming down, but as we release this new dietary guideline and we talk about eating real food and stop eating packaged, ultra processed food, it isn't just a health question and it isn't just a taxpayer question, although certainly those are two very important pieces. But it's also, to your point, Clay, a farmer question, an American farmer question. As we begin to move the American diet back toward eating real food, as the farmer $400 million a day, a day, y', all that USDA spends on nutrition programs, school lunches, SNAP, et cetera, we begin to recalibrate that toward better, healthier, more locally produced food. Not only again, the American child, the American will prosper not only to taxpayers better protected. We're not spending as much money on the backside of that. But our American farmers, for the first time in perhaps any of our lifetime, will begin to move into a golden age as we open up that aperture. So that's really what we're looking at and that's why this is just so important.

[Clay Travis]

And we're speaking to Secretary Brooke Rollins, Secretary of Agriculture and Secretary to that. To that end, I have to say, because I've been going through my own health journey in the last couple of years, changing up eating patterns and everything else, I firmly believe that what you are doing with the partner vag is doing with the, with both on the education side, but also the provision of just the real food is the easiest way to put it. Real food in schools, real food on people's plates at home. The health benefits of this, you know, we're a country that has far too many chronically sick people. The health benefits of what you're talking about, I think are massive and fiscally significant. Over the long term, this is going.

[Brooke Rollins]

To save the American taxpayer hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars. I'm from Texas. I did Texas policy before I got to the first Trump White House. In Texas, we spend 40 to 50% of our state budget on Medicaid, Medicare and health care. I mean, you think about every dollar that's put into the system, whole swathes of Texas, you have the diabetes, the obesity, et cetera. And at the same time, you look and you see that 70% of what the average American eats comes out of a package. It's a processed something or other. And so that is, we have to work to change. Now, I think an important piece of this is, well, you think about those from our most vulnerable communities, right? Those who are living on the Margins of society. They can't run to their H E B or their Kroger or their central market and buy the latest fresh chicken on sale, the latest fresh organic chicken. They're using the SNAP program, But there are 250,000 retailers in America that take SNAP dollars. Now, we probably have time today and come on another time and talk about the fraud in the SNAP program, but I won't even focus on that today. But what I will say with those 250,000 retailers that we are now requiring them to stock twice as much, if they're going to take a SNAP dollar, they have to stock twice as much. Double their offerings of food that comes off this new food pyramid. Healthy, real food. Frozen is fine. Canned is okay. Fresh is obviously great. But we've got to make sure that these populations have that access. And to your point, we will begin to again see a complete transformation. We have a national security issue in this country when three out of four young adults, 75% of American young adults cannot pass our military readiness test. So this is a massive, massive issue for the continuation of the American dream. And that's, that's, I think again how important this is.

[Buck Sexton]

We're talking to Secretary of Agriculture Brooker Ollins. All right, I teased you. You've had time to think about your answer. You went to Texas A and M. You then went to the University of Texas to get a law degree. I'm assuming that your loyalty stay with your undergrad, as a lot of people's loyalties do. But what was. And if, if I'm wrong, you can correct me. What was it like to be undercover as an Aggie inside of the University of Texas? Or were you out open and outspoken and have you recovered from A and M's loss to Texas in their final return to rivalry series here so far?

[Brooke Rollins]

Oh, you're, you're stabbing me in the heart with that. Listen, I am an Aggie through and through. I like to say that I increased the IQ of both schools when I left Texas A and M and went over to the University of Texas. And by the way, in Texas, Clay, we call it tuition because Texas A and M is the University of Texas. And you know, the school in Austin is just little T, little U Texas University. We kind of overtook Austin. I say we did go behind enemy lines. I went from conservative pro America, Texas A and M. I was student body president there over to the law school. So I am all in on Texas A and M. I don't miss a game. My son is a yell eater. My husband Was a yell eater. For a lot of your listeners, they may know what that is. We were there in the state stands in Austin the day after Thanksgiving as our heart split into a million pieces again. Thought we were going to make it up a few weeks later against Miami at Kyle Field for that first playoff game. Again, heart split into another gajillion pieces. But, man, my Aggies under coach Elko Marcel Reed, I mean, we've got. The future is so bright and we've got that national championship, I think, just around the corner. And you know, if we do, if we don't, I will continue to be at every single game cheering my Aggies on.

[Buck Sexton]

We're talking to Brooke Rollins. Okay, so Buck and I are going to be at the Miami, Indiana national title game on Monday. You just mentioned Miami beat Texas A and M in College Station to start the College Football Playoff. 10, 3. You mentioned Marcel Reed. Great kid. He goes to a school that my kids. He's a Nashville kid. He goes to a school that my kids attend as well. So who do you have in the national title game, Miami or Indiana? And Buck is still learning to be a college football fan. What advice would you give him as he goes to the national title game on Monday?

[Brooke Rollins]

Buck, Last question first, Buck, other than fighting for America, there is no greater pastime than college football, period. Full stop. No arguments, no question. You got to get to Kyle Field in College Station to really, really experience, I believe, the best atmosphere in college football. Marcel Reed is an amazing. I think he represents this new wave of leaders in college football that love their country, that love their Lord, that sets such a great example for all these other young kids. I have four teenagers. It's just remarkable to see I am having to go with Miami. I think Indiana is very impressive. Their win against Oregon was pretty remarkable and obviously very telling. That quarterback talk about a great model for everybody is just incredible. But my friends in Miami, my brother Marco Rubio, our Secretary of state, my sister Pam Bondi, our attorney general, we talk about, by the way, we talk about college football in every single cabinet meeting. Just like. Yeah, just like Buck. President Trump isn't fully. Doesn't fully understand the magic of college football, but I'm working on him, too. So he's. He's there as well. He loves it. But I'm going with Miami. They beat my Aggies. I want to see them win it all the way through, and I think it'd be great. But love Indiana. What an amazing Cinderella story Indiana is with a coach who was coaching James Madison just A couple of years ago.

[Clay Travis]

Well, you know, I live. I live in Miami. Secretary Rollins. So my beloved Hurricanes are going to be the champions. I just got to go on the record. I got to tell you, my Hurricanes, they're blowing through town.

[Brooke Rollins]

I think they are. I think they are. I. I'm glad to hear that. So I think Miami's going to pull it out, but it's going to be a really good game.

[Buck Sexton]

Secretary Rollins, good luck with all those four teenagers as well as everything else you got going on. Thank you for coming on the show for the first time. Look forward to talking to you again. And I can't wait to see what's going to happen on Monday.

[Brooke Rollins]

I know. I'm so excited. Thanks, y'. All. Let me know when you're in Aggieland. Would love to host you and be back on soon.

[Buck Sexton]

We'll do that for sure. I. I do think Buck needs to get down to Aggieland because Texas A M is a really, really fun place to go watch a game.

[Clay Travis]

Is that. Is that hook em? Yeah, hook them. Land. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, boy.

[Buck Sexton]

Whoops.

[Brooke Rollins]

You're killing me. You're killing me.

[Clay Travis]

I actually thought. I actually thought I was gonna get an atta boy on that one. Whoops.

[Buck Sexton]

Exactly.

[Clay Travis]

Wrong way.

[Buck Sexton]

You need to throw the horns down. That would make her horns down.

[Brooke Rollins]

Buck, thank you all so much. God bless you. Really fun to be on with y'.

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[Buck Sexton]

Thank you. That is Secretary of Agriculture Brooker Olives, who Buck has forever alienated himself from by saying hook him. When hook them is like, you're Aggie. Like you want to hook them. Hook them. Horns. The. The A M is. And everybody else really, who plays Texas is the opposite of that. You go horns down. So the horns up is the signal. Like, you'll see Matthew McConaughey, like all the big famous Texas fans on the sideline, they're given the hook em sign. That's basically horns up.

[Clay Travis]

Hold on a second here. You're telling me there's two, like, cutthroat rival college football teams? One has horns up, one has horns down. I'm supposed to know this?

[Buck Sexton]

Everybody who is playing against Texas is horns down. They actually had to start in the Big 12. This is getting into the weeds. But they were giving kids players penalties for doing the horns down gesture. So hook them. Hook them is like the. The sign. And so your anti Texas move is the anti hook em, which is horns down.

[Clay Travis]

You college football people with your secret handshakes. I can't keep.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

From Sorry, Houston KK hit it Mr. Buck, you just made my day with secretary with is that hook em country? The secretary knows that the Gigams are the longhorn baby brother that we like to poke around and beat and trip and you know, stick a little wet.

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[Clay Travis]

So 12th man is the Texas A.

[Buck Sexton]

Go to oh sorry I cut him off there to get some real football worse. We actually after that break we'll come back and we'll talk about this a little bit more. We were saying the Texas primary is coming up soon, March 3rd. It's going to be here like almost overnight that we need to come down and be there for primary and hit a couple of different cities so Buck can learn the difference between hook em and gig em and actually be able to handle that conversation going.

[Clay Travis]

I thought I was about to get like a high five on that one. I did not know that I was going in the wrong direction. I got hook em or whatever you want. The freedom to communicate without limits. You want a pair of rapid radios or maybe even half a dozen or so of them to share with family and friends. These devices look and operate a lot like walkie talkies, but in a modern day sense they're ready to go right out of the box. You can stay in touch with your kids, your aging parents, your business team members. The list is endless. Rapid Radios operate on an LTE network nationwide, so you can connect with anyone, virtually anywhere. And Rapid Radios are particularly helpful if one of you is affected by a service disruption, a power outage, or both. Save up to 60% off their most popular models right now. Go online to rapidradios.com today and discover exclusive deals that won't last long. Elevate your connection, your experience. Rapidradios.com that's rapidradios.com communication redefined, speaking truth and having fun. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We got a lot of Trump isms to work through, but Clay wanted to dive into the the depths of college football knowledge. He wanted to show us his gridiron erudition. Explain to me what you wanted to say. I don't even, I'm, I'm in the, I'm in a timeout. I'm in the corner here with a special cap on because I got the whole hook em upside down hook thing right. By the way, most of America is like, Buck, please, no one knows this stuff unless you live in Texas.

[Buck Sexton]

But first of all, I would submit and maybe our data gurus who know all of our markets can confirm this. I would bet that right now as we are speaking to the nation, I bet our biggest market is Texas. Oh it is sign off on that like this of states like the most people who are listening right now are in Texas. That would be my now obviously Texas, a huge state. So like Texas, California, Florida have advantages over a lot of others.

[Clay Travis]

We have a wonderful, huge, we have so many Texas can't name them all but in the big cities, great station in San Antonio, great station Austin, great station in Houston, massive ktrh. And since we're blessed by the czar of talk there, Michael Berry, we are embraced by the people of Houston and it has been fantastic. So yeah, we love Texas.

[Buck Sexton]

So what I was just saying off air, which I think it does make a lot of sense, we're going to have a ton of primaries. The first big primary of 2026 is Texas on March 3rd. So what we were just talking about off air and so now it's probably hopefully going to become a reality is we would like to do the show around that primary date of March 3rd and do it from multiple different of our affiliates in the state of Texas. So maybe we start Austin, Houston, San Antonio, like kind of work our way through on that Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, March 3rd is the primary. And this is important for all of you that are listening in Texas because you've got a really big decision to make in particular in the Senate race, which a big battle going on on the Republican side, but also Democrats. Jasmine Crockett is running on that side. So there will be a lot of news to come out. So I think we should go to Texas while we are there. While we were there, we will teach Buck what the difference is between hook em and gigam so he's got it down once and for all so that he doesn't alienate the Lone Star State by managing to antagonize both fan bases simultaneously. You got to pick a side. Like every year I have to pick who's going to win A and M or Texas. And the team that I don't pick hates me. The team that I do pick likes me a little bit for a little while, as long as I'm right. And then they hate me if I'm wrong. This is my world. This is why I don't get worried. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, like, if you pick a side in Auburn, Alabama or Michigan, Ohio State or Texas, Texas A and M, the other side hates you. You so like this whole idea of, oh, it's, it's going to be really antagonistic in politics. Trust me, bloodsport is, is picking side. So that would be really fun. It'll be great. Michael Barry, our friend Jesse Kelly's down there, too. A lot of you listen to, to those guys. So let's try to get that in the work because I think it will do well and it's a big deal and that'll be a huge topic of conversation. And Buck will learn along the way everything that he needs to know about the culture of Texas. You'll be leaving in cowboy boots and a, and a big, big cowboy hat.

[Clay Travis]

Now, I'm just, I'm not going to walk around yelling war eagle. That much I have learned. See, I sure enough that would be.

[Buck Sexton]

That would be poorly received across the board by most people in Texas. All right, I wanted to hit this because we mentioned earlier, Trump came out. I believe he's headed to Florida. I don't know if that's been confirmed, but I would be stunned if he weren't going to Florida, hopped on his helicopter, went to Andrews Air Force Base, and he dealt with a lot of the big stories of the past two weeks. So I want to hit a couple of these. Trump was asked if he was convinced to not attack Iran. This is cut 34.

[Brooke Rollins]

Did Arab and Israeli officials convince you.

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[Donald Trump]

Nobody convinced me. I convinced myself. You had Yesterday scheduled over 800 hangings.

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[Donald Trump]

They didn't hang anyone. They canceled the hangings. That had a big impact.

[Buck Sexton]

Right? So Trump, we gave you that comment from Trump saying that they had actually chosen not to hang people. Now the Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier on its way to the Middle East. We'll see whether this temporary bit of a thaw between Trump and Iran continues. Now, other stories. Let's hit Venezuela. Venezuela. Trump was asked why he aligned with Delsey Rodriguez. She is the vice president of Venezuela who has now been elevated to president after Machado was taken out. And Trump buck, he echoed a lot of what you said earlier on this show about one of the flaws of Iraq was we took out everybody in the Saddam Hussein regime and suddenly there was a total power vacuum. Cut 36.

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[Clay Travis]

Support of the Venezuelan people.

[Donald Trump]

If you ever remember a place called Iraq where everybody was fired, every single person, the police, the generals, everybody was fired and they ended up being isis. Instead of just getting down to business, they ended up being isis. Remember that? But I'll tell you, I had a great meeting yesterday by a person who I have a lot of respect for and she has respect obviously for me and our country and she gave me her Nobel Prize. But I'll tell you what I got to know. I never met her before and I was very, very impressed. She's a really. This is a fine woman.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, so that is Venezuela, that is Iran. Major foreign situations going on there here. Also, Trump was asked about whether the Insurrection act was necessary in Minneapolis to deal with the anti ICE protests. Cut 35. This is what he just said.

[Donald Trump]

Well, the Insurrection act, which has been used by 48% of the presidents as of this moment, the Insurrection act also, if you look at it, I believe it was Bush, the elder Bush. He used it, I think 28 times. It's been used a lot. And if I needed it, I'd use it. I don't think there's any, any reason right now to use it, but if I needed it, I'd use it. It's very powerful.

[Buck Sexton]

So very powerful, Very powerful.

[Clay Travis]

Well, his analysis of Iraq is exactly what you heard me tell you a few days ago on this show. So clearly the president has access to very high level national security folks who have studied the lessons of Iraq, as I did on the CIA desk for Iraq when it was going on. And yeah, you can't just like Lop the entire apparatus of the government and everything off, like with a guillotine, and then hope that something that replaces it is going to work out. You have to understand, and this is why Iran is different than Venezuela. Iran, there are many differences, but one of them is you have a stolen election in Venezuela. If you have a different election with different. Or rather a different election winner, I know she actually won, but you get what I'm saying. If you just put the person who actually won in place or something, or you hold new elections, the people already have this process in mind. There's already, you know, and you have new people running the security services. You're not trying to reinvent the wheel in Venezuela. You're trying to get people to stop, you know, sabotaging it in Iran. You gotta. They don't have elections, really. They don't have, you know, you got jihadism. You got all kinds of stuff you got to deal with. So. So I think Trump looked at this and he was just like, this isn't the move right now. So as long, you know, he kind of got a halfway. A halfway win. Insofar as, yeah, they're saying they're not killed. They're not hanging all these people today, which is good, or yesterday, but they're still in prison. The security services still have their names on a list. Yeah, it's not like I said, it's. It's. It's Trump making the. These are tough calls. There's no people who tell you that they have the answers on foreign policy are inherently wrong because no one really has the answers or knows. You're always making difficult determinations with lots of different variables and input that are changing in real time and that are often unsatisfactory. Clay, in the end, no matter how wise, no matter how brilliant you are as a tactician.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, in particular, Iran, which I would just point out, if things are actually getting better in Iran. How about turn the Internet back on and how about turn the ability of people to use their cell phones back on? So if things are calming down and things are infinitely better and the government is not executing innocent people who are protesting in the streets, turn the Internet back on and turn phones back on and let people be able to communicate with the rest of the world, that would be one request that I would make. I think that's something good that the president could say. On top of that, the challenge here, we've seen this happen a lot. People rise up, the government cracks down, kills a lot of people, and remains in power. And so I Think the calculus that Trump is trying to analyze is you don't want to halfway do something. If you are really going to go in, then you have to know the ayatollah is gone and we're going to put in the Shah or whatever. To your point, Buck, the game planning, you. It's a little bit like taking antibiotics. You don't want to take antibiotics, only half the dose, and the virus comes back stronger than it would have been if you had never done anything else.

[Clay Travis]

The bacteria comes back stronger.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, you. You want to end the sickness. You don't want to make the sickness stronger. And so if you go halfway, if you're not going to actually, you know, sort of decapitate, you know, then you're in a rough spot.

[Clay Travis]

Do you know Ron Swanson from Parks and Rec?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I know Ron Swanson's. I'm familiar with his work.

[Clay Travis]

This was how I was. I was mocked by some of these staff in the Intelligence division of the NYPD as the NYPD's Ron Swanson, because they're like, I've never seen someone who hates government so much working for the government. I complained about a lot of the bureaucracy there. That's fair. So they would. They would tell me that I was the Ron Swanson. Now, I can't grow quite that mustache, but I bring it up, Clay, because one of his best lines from that series is never half ass. Two things. Whole ass, one thing. And that's true. You know, it's basically, you're in or you're out. You're, you know, you're either all in or you should pick something else to do. And when you're talking about a situation like Iran, 90 million people, all of this nibbling around the edges is not the move. And I think Trump realized, given the situation, but this is what I said, that the regime is staying. The regime is. Unfortunately, we're going to have another one of these moments. We go, oh, it was so close. No, not yet. Not yet. Because without Trump going all in, there's no way the people in Iran are going to be able to get rid of them on their own.

[Buck Sexton]

All of those things just said by Trump, I imagine that he will be handling everything from Miami going forward, and we'll see if anything transpires over the course of the weekend as it pertains to those issues. Buck, knock us out here, and then we'll take some of your calls and get to some of your talkbacks to close out the week. In the final segment next.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show we are finishing our Friday edition of the program taking you into the weekend. We have a lot of people who want to weigh in. I like to go to the talkbacks encourage you as always, please download the iHeart app. You can do a 30 second talk back goes right into our crew. They can look at them. You can talk about any topic. You don't have to wait. There's no phone aspects associated with it and let's hit some of those right now. Let's start with a a Kirsten in Massachusetts.

[Brooke Rollins]

Hey, listening to you guys and you're talking about what uh, what occupations are here. Most of your listeners and well I heard truckers on there. You got mother trucking y' all here. I listen to you guys every day. I love it. Stuck up here in the bleeding blue state of Massachusetts. God help me. Love you guys. Keep up the good work.

[Clay Travis]

We love you too. The truckers with us three hours at a time. Clay. That's what's awesome, we're keeping them company and entertained on the road. It's a. It's a great honor.

[Buck Sexton]

Nick in Raleigh, North Carolina, 106.1 FM. Love the guys in Raleigh says you got a lot of army listeners. I think that's true as well. B.B.

[Clay Travis]

Clay, Buck. Nick here, retired Army. Yes, you do have tons of army listeners, tons of military listeners.

[Buck Sexton]

I would also say that when we.

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[Clay Travis]

So you have quantum listeners as well. Keep up the good work.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't even know what quantum AI is, but it sounds pretty complicated.

[Clay Travis]

That's fantastic. And, you know, there are, like, current or recent military who listen to us who tend to have Glocks and Sig Sauer pistols at home. And then I'm very, very pleased that we have people who are in the military in the 1920s, the 1910s. And they have Colt 1911s. And that's just great. I'm very. I'm happy that they have the gun. And perhaps they've inherited their great grandfather's 1911.

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[Clay Travis]

That's very cool for them. Them.

[Buck Sexton]

So this is gun talk, trash talk that I don't even. This is above my pay grade, but I understand gun guys are fired up about that.

[Clay Travis]

I. I want to talk to Colt. They'd be like, can you guys do a special deal? Will you give people a walker with their cult 1911? Because I think that would be helpful. But there you go.

[Buck Sexton]

Monica in San Diego. These are my favorite listeners. CC Play in back.

[Brooke Rollins]

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[Buck Sexton]

I just. Grandmas love me, Buck. And I have to say, grandmas have great discernment skills. They have great talent. They've been through the wars. They know who is reliable, who isn't. They. They're veterans.

[Clay Travis]

They've been on the Grannies of America. Were not. Were not pleased with the Clay and Buck program when you were not on video in your dapper new suit. Like, we were joking about it. But there was some real disappointment in those emails, buddy.

[Buck Sexton]

So, hey, I also want to clear. Of course, I apologize to the grandmas of America. I also want to clear something up. By the way, we had a caller who said. What did they say? Minneapolitan or Minneapolitan, I think it was. And a lot of people from Minnesota were fired up about that. Here's one representation of it. Dylan from northern Minnesota. Listen.

[Clay Travis]

Dylan from northern Minnesota, where the beer flows like wine and beautiful women instinctively flow like the salmon of Capistrano Yesterday you had a caller say someone from Minneapolis is called a Minneapolitan or something like that. I've never heard that before. Up here we just call them city.

[Buck Sexton]

It's that's pretty good if you couldn't hear him. Well, he said up there in northern Minnesota they just call them city. It's all right. We will be back with all of you. Stay out of trouble, support law enforcement, enjoy the games on Saturday and Sunday. Will both be together on Monday down in the great state of Florida in Miami. Looking forward to it and thank you for another awesome week. Thanks to everybody who's come on and thanks to everyone who has interacted with all of us. But close us out.

[Clay Travis]

It's going to be amazing weekend everybody. And you should check out all the Clam Buck podcast network stuff.

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