Hour 3 - Is Hegseth Natty?

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 – Is Hegseth Natty?
Date: February 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively third hour, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle two distinct but equally spirited topics: the future of the Democratic Party’s 2028 presidential nominee, with a focus on the complex interplay of identity and politics, and a lighthearted but competitive “natty” (natural or enhanced) debate surrounding Fox News’ Pete Hegseth’s impressive 315-pound bench press. The hour blends sharp political analysis with relatable dad-life gym banter that typifies the Clay and Buck dynamic.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The 2028 Democratic Nomination: Who’s Really in the Running?

• Buck's Bold Prediction: Buck Sexton reiterates his belief that Kamala Harris will be the Democratic nominee in 2028, framing the discussion around identity politics and the influential role of black voters in the primary system. (04:05)
• Clay’s Skepticism: Clay Travis dismisses the idea as “insane,” arguing Harris lacks the charisma and political skills to clinch the nomination. He points out prior predictions (like Michelle Obama as nominee in 2024) didn't materialize. (04:41)
• Primary State Importance: Buck reasons that if the Democratic primary starts in the South (South Carolina, Georgia, or possibly Tennessee), it could heavily favor Kamala Harris due to demographic advantages. Conversely, if the process begins in New Hampshire or Iowa, her chances diminish. (04:58)
• Need for a "Minority Vanquisher": Buck advances the theory that Democratic strategists are boosting minority figures like Stephen A. Smith not because they expect him to win, but to dilute Kamala's support among black voters. (08:00)
  • Quote: “I think Democrat power brokers don’t see Stephen A. Smith as a real contender to be president, but I think they see him as the vanquisher of Kamala Harris.” – Buck Sexton (08:00)
• The Wes Moore Factor: Maryland Governor Wes Moore continues to state publicly that he won't run, despite speculation. Audio is played to reinforce his denials. (07:34, 15:58)
• AOC and Media Strategy: Discussion about efforts within the Democratic Party to undermine Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s rise, potentially driven by Harris allies, fearing her fundraising prowess and minority appeal. (06:53)
• Gavin Newsom as the Betting Favorite: Clay predicts Newsom will be the nominee, citing his establishment backing and straightforward path despite issues with California’s reputation. Betting markets also favor Newsom. (16:46, 17:30)
• Democrat Women Candidates: Clay notes that Democrats have “lost two elections running women against Donald Trump,” and he doubts they'll repeat the strategy. (16:46)
• Democratic Voter Motivation: Clay and Buck agree there’s little organic enthusiasm for any Democratic figure in the coming cycle—voters are motivated by agenda, not inspiration. (18:09)

Notable Quotes:

• “She’s just not very good… they tried to manufacture that charisma for Kamala Harris, and they failed because she’s so lacking in it…” – Clay Travis (09:22)
• “You never hear people talk about her as the first, like South Asian presidential candidate, which I think is interesting.” – Clay Travis (10:49)
• “By Democrat Party rules, you can’t replace a black woman with a white man.” – Buck Sexton (13:17)

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Timestamps for Key Segments:

• 04:05 – Buck’s Kamala Harris prediction
• 04:41 – Clay rejects Kamala theory
• 07:34 – Audio: Wes Moore denounces presidential ambitions
• 08:00 – The “Stephen A. Smith” theory
• 09:22 – Why Kamala lacks charisma
• 13:17 – “You can’t replace a black woman with a white man”
• 16:46 – Clay calls Newsom the likely nominee
• 17:30 – Betting market favorites

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2. Natty or Not? The Pete Hegseth Bench Press Debate

• Buck and Clay’s Fitness Bragging Rights: Both hosts share their gym exploits. Buck recounts benching 225 pounds with his son spotting him (a milestone for radio hosts, they joke). (22:53)
  • “Not that many… radio hosts who can both do two plates. I’m just throwing that out there.” – Clay Travis (23:14)
  • “Most guys can’t bench their own body weight… two plates is an incredible target.” – Buck Sexton (36:19)
• Enter Pete Hegseth: The pair react to Fox News’ Pete Hegseth posting a video benching 315 pounds—three plates—a feat they both admire and humorously scrutinize. (23:40, 33:05)
• Is Hegseth “Natty”? Clay playfully questions whether Hegseth achieved his gains naturally, speculating about the use of TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) and other supplements.
  • “I think there might be a little bit of performance enhancing drugs involved. I’m just saying...” – Clay Travis (34:13)
  • “If he is doing that truly natty, that’s pretty wild. That is quite impressive.” – Clay Travis (34:39)
• Bench Press Pop Culture: The hosts contextualize strength, noting fewer than 1% of the adult population can bench 225, and 315 is rarer still. Listeners chime in with messages of encouragement for their bench press achievements. (37:02, 45:13)
• Health and Lifting for All: Discussion highlights the benefits of resistance training, especially for middle-aged men and women. Both encourage weightlifting as critical to health, tackling the lingering myths about women and lifting. (39:10, 39:57)

Notable Quotes:

• “I know lots of you are champion powerlifters... but we're the middle-aged caucus here.” – Clay Travis (35:28)
• “Everyone that I know who has taken TRT… this is a huge, a huge overall health benefit…” – Clay Travis (37:33)
• “Women, I am amazed, a lot of the women listening to this are in much better shape than me and that’s great.” – Clay Travis (39:10)

Timestamps for Key Segments:

• 22:53 – Buck’s bench press story
• 23:40 – Hegseth’s 315-pound bench introduction
• 33:05 – Pete Hegseth’s bench video commentary
• 34:13 – "Natty or not" speculation
• 36:19 – Context: Most can’t bench their body weight
• 39:10 – Benefits of weightlifting for everyone

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3. Media Fairness and Partisan Echo Chambers

• Balance in Political Talk Shows: The hosts argue that while conservative media often invites liberals, the reverse is not true. Buck notes he's never been invited on late-night shows despite having a bestselling book. (27:51)
  • “We’ve invited a lot of Democrats on this program over the years. None of them will come on.” – Clay Travis (28:34)
• Safe Spaces for Liberals: Clay posits that Democrat-heavy audiences prefer echo chambers and avoid exposure to opposing views, referencing The View and Bill Maher as examples of exception to this rule. (28:52, 29:10)
  • “All of liberal media got turned into a safe space for Democrat lib audiences.” – Clay Travis (29:10)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Identity Politics & Strategy:
  “By Democrat Party rules, you can’t replace a black woman with a white man.” – Buck Sexton (13:17)

• On Natural Strength:
  “If he is doing that truly natty, that’s pretty wild. That is quite impressive.” – Clay Travis (34:39)

• On Media Partisanship:
  “All of liberal media got turned into a safe space for Democrat lib audiences. And now they can’t undo this.” – Clay Travis (29:10)

• On Health & Lifting:
  “Most guys can’t bench their own body weight. Two plates is an incredible target… 315 is like 1 in 10,000 strong.” – Buck Sexton (36:19, 37:21)

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Listener Call-in Highlights

• Kathy from Northern California on Clay’s facial hair:
  “I agree with you, Buck. I think his mustache looks great... He looks very good that way.” (45:13)
• Rochester, NY Listener:
  “[Bench] of two plates, that’s something to be proud of... people who say the bench means nothing, suck at it.” (45:40)

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Tone & Flow

The episode is peppered with humor, competitive spirit, and a mix of political punditry and self-aware dad energy. Clay and Buck riff off each other with friendly jabs and running jokes, making political debate accessible while never taking themselves too seriously.

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Summary Table of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | Key Points | |---|---|---| | 04:05–18:09 | 2028 Democratic Nominee | Kamala Harris v. Newsom; minority candidate theories; party strategy | | 22:53–41:35 | Hegseth Bench Press Drama | Who’s “natty” or not? Gym tales and lifting encouragement | | 27:51–31:38 | Media Echo Chambers | Invitations, safe spaces, and partisan booking habits | | 45:13–45:40 | Listener Feedback | Endorsement of Clay’s mustache and gym encouragement |

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Final Thoughts

This episode blends sharp, sometimes provocative political analysis with relatable, humorous discourse on fitness and broadcast lifestyle. It’s a great listen for fans of politics, cultural commentary, and classic radio banter—with more than a few laughs at the expense of their own bench press ambitions.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Thursday edition, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Encourage you to go subscribe to the podcast where you will find such discussion points as what should happen and what is going to happen with Iran with Steve Yates, an expert on Middle Eastern policy Carol Markowitz on why I'm a genius for my argument about Taylor Swift versus the Beatles and Buck Sexton's books surging to number four overall on the Amazon ranking. And I mentioned all those things as well as us being right about the Talarico story as it pertains to the Democrat primary in Texas. Go vote Texans. March 3rd is the primary. Little bit of a we gotta, gotta come clean. I want to apologize to Michael Berry and to Jesse Kelly and all of our friends in Texas. We are going to reschedule now our trip to Austin, San Antonio and Houston because my kids have an event on primary night that I cannot miss. I've got a senior in high school. I'm trying to make sure I don't miss any of his events. So we're going to get back down to Texas, but we're not going to be there in the next 10 days or so and we will still hit all those markets. And we're going to do a cool event at the Alamo, which I can't wait to go to, to celebrate Crockett coffee as well as Davy Crockett himself and the legacy of the Alamo. And Buck's book is surging. And I'm very glad it's surging because I feel bad about all the stakes he's had to buy for me because I'm right about everything.

[Clay Travis]

I got to be able to pay for them.

[Buck Sexton]

That's right. Especially because the cost is just going up, especially in the the expensive steak market of South Florida where more and more people are moving every single day and therefore they can charge higher prices for their stakes. All right. With that in mind, I have said that Kamala Harris is going to run for president. She is going to run for president. And recently out to dinner with several of our mutual friends, I even went so far as to say I think Kamala Harris is going to be the nominee for the Democrat Party. And my analysis, yes.

[Clay Travis]

So that, that's just to be. That's insane. Just so everyone's clear, I'm going to the record with I don't steak or no steak, Kamala is a nominee From Clay. Insane. Not as insane as Michelle Obama is going to be the nominee in the last election cycle, which he didn't get right, by the way, but insane.

[Buck Sexton]

The logic on this, I think you might sign onto though, as I work through. So first of all, we're going to find out at some point where is the Democrat primary going to start? And much like the power brokers rigged everything for back in the day, Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders, and much like I think the power brokers just rigged the Democrat primary in Texas for James Talarico instead of Jasmine Crockett, where they decide to put the primary will tell us a great deal about who they want to be the nominee. If they put it in the south, due to the impact of black voters, Kamala Harris is going to be the nominee. So put a star in this prediction. If they go to New Hampshire, if they go to Iowa, if they go, Kamala Harris will probably not be the nominee. But if they start with South Carolina or Georgia or even my home state of Tennessee, which is making a play to be the first primary state in the 2028 Democrat cycle because remember, they're divorced now. Republicans do their thing, Democrats do their thing. They're in different states right now. Kamala is leading the charge. And one reason she's leading the charge is there's no other black candidate. And I saw this and I don't know if I buy it, but Wes Moore keeps saying he is the governor of Maryland. I'm not sure that he's a great political talent, but he keeps saying I'm not going to run. This is cut 23. Democrat governor of Maryland who happens to be a black man. Westmore saying, I'm not going to run 23. So we're going to play that in a second. That is Westmore on 2028. One thing that I think ties in here is AOC, I think, is getting kneecapped. I think some of the Kamala Harris is behind it. Her answer in Munich. A lot of Republicans have had fun up with it, but they managed to get left wing media to write about it because they want to kneecap aoc, who's young, can raise a lot of money and might have appeal with some minority voters. I think Kamala Harris wants to do that. And so as you work through this, who is Buck in your mind? The minority contender against Kamala Harris. That could start to steal away some of her support. We now have that cut ready for you. Cut 23. Westmore, could you be competitive in a Democratic primary? Some big names might Run Gavin Newsom, the California governor, among many others. I respect all of them in terms

[Clay Travis]

of their intellect, in terms of where their heart lies, in terms terms of

[Buck Sexton]

the service that they want to provide to this country.

[Clay Travis]

But ultimately, your actions speak louder than anything.

[Buck Sexton]

Gavin Newsom is somebody that I think has tremendous potential if he moves towards the center, but ultimately, affordability with taxes in the state of California, the homelessness,

[Clay Travis]

the crime, he's going to have to answer those questions.

[Buck Sexton]

Being a prisoner, the environmentalist out there, he's going to have to answer those questions. Okay, that's Stephen A. Smith. Why do I think Stephen A. Smith is now being trumpeted and getting a lot of attention? Buck? I think they see him as the Kamala Harris vanquisher, because for black voters, black guys are going to vote for Stephen A. Smith over Kamala Harris. They just are. And you might think it's ridiculous that an ESPN commentator could be running for president. All those things, I understand them. But why is this story so ascendant? I think Democrat power brokers don't see Stephen A. Smith as a real contender to be president, but I think they see him as the vanquisher of Kamala Harris because he is a minority candidate. That would take away much of the support that otherwise might go to Kamala. Do you buy this theory? I'm just saying they're giving him a lot of credence, a lot of attention, and they're elevating him as a serious candidate. It may be just a story, but I think it actually undermines Kamala. And I think that's one of the reasons he's getting some, Some pop.

[Clay Travis]

I. I don't know. Mr. Stephen A. But I think he is likely a fundamentally more serious and intelligent person than Kamala Harris.

[Buck Sexton]

So that is true. I believe that is, without a shadow of a doubt, true.

[Clay Travis]

So I start from that premise, which is if I'm looking at these people and their record of success, I mean, look, he's a media commentator, so is Donald Trump in a sense, right? Or he was a media figure, a entertainment media figure, as well as being a business owner, you know, a CEO and a mogul and all that. But I'm just saying that's actually a very important skill set for politicians today. To be able to communicate. To be able to communicate effectively on the fly and to have a. A. The charisma presence in the digital realm of online and social media and everything else is a real currency they tried to manufacture, like manufacturing delusion. By the way, the book that you should all get they tried to manufacture that charisma for Kamala Harris, and they failed because she's so lacking in it and they weren't able to just construct it around her. And for her, I think Stephen A. Would be a far more formidable just on that ground than she is, even as somebody who's had spent a life in politics. Because Kamal, let's be honest, she really has been able to. To ride the absolute peak of the DEI wave among the Democrat party. She was a black female at a time when. And she's actually, as we know, she's actually of mixed ancestry in that she's South Asian and black.

[Buck Sexton]

But she.

[Clay Travis]

You know, it's interesting, you never hear people talk about her as the first, like, South Asian presidential candidate, which I think is interesting, because why? Right. I mean, she.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, it's. It's the same thing with Barack Obama being half white. Right. Nobody ever talks about Barack Obama. The fact that his mom is white, it's just completely buried in the narrative of race. And it's the race that they want to feature. And Kamala is arguably, to your point, even more interesting because she's a multifaceted minority. Right. It actually, she's half Indian. Like, that would be a big deal in this. In a similar vein, if she had won on that front, and it would have been completely snowed under.

[Clay Travis]

Yes. And so I, I think that for. For Kamala Harris, she didn't have to. The same way that the left wing media, and this has been a very broad thing, left wing media, because they were so dominant. For when I say left wing, I'm talking CNN, New York Times, HuffPost, Vice. Remember when Vice, it was like, hey, I'm just like sitting here with a cigarette dangling out of my mouth talking about, you know, North Korea, bro. And this was a billion dollar company. I don't even know if you guys remember this. This was a, like a far left. It was like hipster news. And I was always, this is preposterous.

[Buck Sexton]

This is.

[Clay Travis]

When I first started at the Blaze 15 years ago, everyone's like, oh, these guys are going to be worth billions and billions of dollars. I'm like, no, they're not. This is absurd.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, they.

[Clay Travis]

They did raise a bunch of money, and now the whole thing has completely collapsed and they basically had to fire everybody. But my point about it is that in that era where they had so much dominance of particularly online and Internet culture and the traditional legacy media, Kamala Harris was able to get by just by the very basic and superficial characteristics that were elevated by dei. She's just not very good. People say, look how far she got. She was a vice president. Well, Joe Biden was president. He had dementia. So as we know, this doesn't really mean anything per se in terms of someone's ability. It just has to do with how they're able to ride the machinery, how they're able to leverage the machinery of politics in that moment. I just don't think she's for. I don't think she's formidable. The worst thing for Kamala Harris and her brand is going to be running again. She's going to get absolutely. I'm sorry. If she becomes the nominee. Your point about running again? She has no downside in the primary. That's true. If she runs in a general election, she's done. And how old is. She's not that old.

[Buck Sexton]

58, I think.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. Pretty young, actually.

[Buck Sexton]

Look, I, I think the, the bigger picture here, and we've got the Westmore audio as well, is Democrats because of the identity politics with which they have imbued the entirety of the party. The reason why I argued Michelle Obama back in 2024 was because by Democrat Party rules, you can't replace a black woman with a white man. And I think that same issue is going to apply in 2028. So they need Kamala to get knocked out. This is crazy. But just follow me on their strained logic. They need a minority who has appeal for black voters to knock Kamala out so they can avoid the race.

[Clay Travis]

Explain this argument. And you know that I like this because this would mean that Kamala, you know, maybe even thinks twice about running. And although that's now, I think I got a little ahead of my skis on the road. But she's going to get crushed. Ok? She's absolutely has no shot if she, if she does throw her hat in the ring. That all said, though, why do you feel this way, given that Joe Biden, black and black female voters in the 2020 primary went with Joe Biden because

[Buck Sexton]

there wasn't a viable black candidate available. What do you mean? Kamala, she was out. She dropped out before people voted. So in the 2020 primary, Biden had black support because he had been the vice president for Barack Obama. There was no viable black candidate. Remember, it was Mayor Pete, it was Elizabeth Warren, it was Mayor Bloomberg tried to jump in at the end and Biden got smoked in, in, in New Hampshire and in Iowa. And then James Clyburn said, it's Biden. We're voting for him. We're not Letting Bernie be the nominee. It was a bunch of white guys and gals all competing, and Biden was the choice. I don't think Kamala is going to drop out this time before votes are cast. And so they need somebody to block box her out now. Could be Stephen A. Smith. Wes Moore, who you predicted could end up being the guy, is saying, publicly at least, I'm not running this. Is that audio? Your potential presidential ambitions are not a secret, right? Oh, well, they're a secret to me because really. Oh, yes, they are. I am. I am very committed. You have no idea whether or not you might run for president or not? No, I'm not running for president. I'm not, because I'm. I love what I'm doing. And remember, you know, four years ago, I'd never held elected office in my life. I don't come from a political background.

[Clay Travis]

I'm not.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not one of these people who's been spending 20 years, you know, going from speaker one. Okay? So the best way to end up president is to claim you have no interest in being president. But if Wes Moore, Stephen A. Smith, they need a viable black candidate. I think Buck to box Kamala out of the black candidate box because otherwise she's going to get the support. And black women, I think, are going to show up in big numbers for Kamala no matter what. I think they're kind of floating aoc. Problem with AOC is she might be a dumber version of Kamala Harris. And. And I'm not sure exactly how this is going to shake out. So that's the prediction there. We'll see if there's any legitimacy to it at all. But I do think they're trying to find a person that could be the choice.

[Clay Travis]

I think Gavin Newsom is going to be the nominee, and everyone knows it. And that's where this is all heading. And they're not going to try anything. I think the Democrats have lost two elections running women against Donald Trump, and they're not going to take a Trump air and put him up against. Put that individual, which is probably going to be J.D. vance, up against another female candidate to lose. So I think it's going to be Gavin Newsom. I think they're going to go, look, they ran. They ran the old establishment white guy in 2020. Say what you will about what they had to do to, quote, win that election. Biden was president for four years, so their game worked, right? Let's just. We got to live in reality. I think it's Gavin Newsom what do the betting markets say, Mr. Betting Market Man?

[Buck Sexton]

Gavin. Gavin Newsom is the favorite in the betting markets. I'm just saying black women are not showing up to vote for Gavin Newsom. I think they have to figure out a way to box Kamala out or dilute her black vote in order for someone else to be the nominee. I don't disagree with you that they think Gavin Newsom may be the pick. Here's the problem. I think though. I think California is such a disaster according to most of the general public. I'm not sure a California politician from the Democrat Party could get the nomination.

[Clay Travis]

Not, not the Democrats. They, they voted in the recall very strongly to keep him there. So this is the problem they have.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, California Democrats like him. I'm not sure that nationwide they do.

[Clay Travis]

I and I also think the Democrats and whether talking black female primary voter, I think they just want to vote for who they think is going to win because they want the, they want the agenda. I don't think there's any, there's nobody who's going to inspire voters on the Democrat side this time around. I think. Anyway, we got to go to a break so we'll come back into this. Your monthly cell phone bill should be in the range of 25 to $40 a month, not 100 bucks or more. If your current cell phone company is at and T T Mobile or Verizon, you're spending way more than you should. Pure Talk service is on the same cell towers and network and you get the exact same 5G nationwide service for $25 a month. Pure Talk gives you unlimited talk, text and plenty of data. Now compare that to your cell phone bill. Pure Talk is an American wireless company with an all US Only customer service team. When you call, you're talking to someone right here in the US A well trained member of the team who can help you switch over in as little as as 10 minutes. There's no contract, no cancellation fee either. Just dial £250, say the keywords Clay and Buck. You'll get 50% off your first month. Again, dial £250, say Clay and Buck to make the switch to Pure Talk news and politics.

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[Buck Sexton]

I was feeling good about myself Buck. I this is no joke over my my 15 year old has started to lift weights so I hadn't lifted weights heavyweights in a while. He was spotting me and for a lot of guys doing 2 plates 225 is a good target radio hosts who

[Clay Travis]

can both do two plates. I'm just throwing that out there and if any doubt you're gonna. You're gonna. You're. You're demanding video proof and we will give you the video proof so So

[Buck Sexton]

I did 2:25 with my son spotting me and I felt pretty good about it. I hadn't you know tried to.

[Clay Travis]

Your sons must be pretty proud. Not that many. I know there all these duds I've been 400 who are listening okay but like we're we're radio hosts we're lucky we're know looking like Homer Simpson sitting here. So 225 is pretty good. Pretty unusual actually for a middle aged guy.

[Buck Sexton]

And then Pete Hegseth they just posted a video and he is mogging us as the kids would say benching 3:15. This is that this is a. I mean for Hegseth is not a big dude the video the Trump war room just shared it.

[Clay Travis]

We're going to talk more we got to talk more about this Natty or not that fucking the conversation now Natty or not team.

[Buck Sexton]

This is ridiculous but by the way I'm never gonna get three plates. I got two plates 225 if you're out there and you want to be benching more if you want to have more energy, vim, vigor, vitality that is what chalk is all about. They were made to drive the male testosterone level as high as it can possibly go. In fact, if you use the all all natural male vitality stack inside of chalk then you will have a 20% increase in as little as three months time. Plus you can get an awesome outstanding offer taken care of right now where chalk will give you a 99 value inside when you use code. Clay that's chalk.com $99 bag of choc lit powder bench 225 or 315 with chalk choq.com My name Clay. Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton Show all right. Hangset315 we're gonna have some fun with this, but I did want to play a couple of cuts that I think are directly connected to each other and tie in with some of the arguments we've made on this show. Stephen A. Smith, I think he may well run. He's been doing a lot of shows with our friend Bill O'Reilly. Well, we need to get Uncle Bill on. We'll ask him what he thinks about this. But Gavin Newsom won't go on Stephen A. Smith's politics focused radio show which I believe airs on Sirius xm. You can hear this program on Sirius XM on channel123 now every single day. And here is Stephen A. Smith calling out Gavin newsome. Listen, Gavin Newsom, 22% still wait for you to come on the show, Mr.

[Clay Travis]

Governor.

[Buck Sexton]

Still waiting. Still wait. Gavin Newsom, I keep telling you it's going to be more, far more pleasant than you realize because I just want to ask questions and I want to

[Clay Travis]

listen to your answers.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't want to got you moment. I don't want to make you uncomfortable. I don't want to go back and forth with you interrogating you like I'm some prosecutor or whatever. I simply want you to answer for your state about the homelessness that Obama just alluded to, which he labeled an embarrassment about the crime, about defunded police, about being a sanctuary city and state, about billions in debt.

[Clay Travis]

Maybe he should stop yelling if he wants Gavin to come on his show. Just an idea. He's like, I'm not going to yell at you. I don't know. You're not selling him on the not yelling when you're yelling.

[Buck Sexton]

Here is Kaitlan Collins on Stephen Colbert Show. She is a CNN host and she says they're still talking about the Talarico, but we talked about this. I do think it's important. She specifically says I don't think Republicans want a Democrat administration to order right wing talk radio to have Democrats on cut 16. I think it's actually a really, really slippery slope because I think that you've seen some people on the right cheering this and saying, well, that's what we want Brendan Carr to do. I think that they don't want a Democratic administration saying that right wing talk radio must give equal time to, to Democrats or to see that moment. And so for me personally on our show, I have Democrats and Republic Republicans on. I want to know what everyone's saying. I want my viewers to know what the debate is that's in Washington. I don't think anyone wants the federal government telling people who they should book on their show and who the guests should be on their show. Again, this is important. We've invited a lot of Democrats on this program over the years. None of them will come on. So there is a difference between extending an invite and it not being taken and never extending an invite. Buck, you got nearly the bestselling book in America. How many late night talk show host invites have you gotten on to promote your book?

[Clay Travis]

Zero. Zero.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's fair to say that you probably would go on one of these late night talk show hosts if you thought it would sell books. If they offered an opportunity for you to go.

[Clay Travis]

I would.

[Buck Sexton]

Hasn't been extended. I've never been invited on a late night talk show. I would go on. So this is very different when they try to say, well, they're going to mandate that you. We've said before we would go on the View. We have even emailed the View and said, hey, we're willing to come on. You claim conservatives won't go on. The reality is left wingers by and large will not go on conservative shows. Buck, you've been on Bill Maher. I mean, I would, I'm not kidding. I mean the Pod Save America Bros. They said they wanted to have me on. I emailed them and told them when I was in la, which was a couple of weeks ago. I didn't hear back, probably just email got lost. But I was willing to go on their show when my book came out because I said, hey, I'll talk to audiences anywhere to try to persuade people.

[Clay Travis]

I think that a part of this, and this is not to take these hosts off the hot seat necessarily, but I guess I'm helping them out a little bit. A part of this is that particularly Democrat audiences have an expectation that the little unreality that they live in this, this little Delusion that has been manufactured for them. Like manufacturing Delusion, the title of a great book you should all get today, Manufacturing Delusion, my friends on Amazon, that the truth is, Clay, these audiences, like the audience of the View, doesn't want a robust exchange. They want people on that stage. They want, you know, Whoopi and Joy and the rest of them to tell them exactly what they want to hear, to feed into the political prejudices that they already have and pretend like there's no other alternative. And anyone who says otherwise is a racist, a bigot, a Nazi, or whatever that this is. They have to have. Effectively, all of liberal media got turned into a safe space, a safe space for Democrat lib audiences. And now they can't undo this. They can't unring the bell because those audiences become incredibly, I mean, dude, even. Look, I give Lamar credit. He told me this each time I came on his show. He's like, I get a world of, you know what for having you on. Just so you know. And he's like, every time that happens, I'm reminded of why it's good to have you on. To his credit, one of the very. Bill Maher, one of the very few who's like, let's actually have real ideas

[Buck Sexton]

here on the show from the other side.

[Clay Travis]

Let's not have, you know, he had, he had Megyn Kelly on in the last year.

[Buck Sexton]

He's.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, I can't even think of all the people, but he's had real conservatives, real right wing voices, actual Trump supporters on the show. Nobody else who makes a living doing Democrat commentary of any, you know, consequence whatsoever does the same thing. No one.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. And I give credit in the same way Piers Morgan has a lot of people of a variety of different perspectives. Now that's not a traditional talk show. It's you.

[Clay Travis]

He's running like a Jerry Springer situation over there. I've seen how that goes.

[Buck Sexton]

There's lots of yelling.

[Clay Travis]

He's like, all right, everyone stop poking each other in the eyes.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I have fun going on that show just because it's one big donnybrook. But. But yes, there at least is the attempt. All right, let's come back. I believe we now have. That was serious stuff. Do we have the audio? Here's Pete Hegseth letting it be known. Here's a little bit of news. By the way, Abigail Spanberger, the so called moderate governor of Virginia, all of that is in quotation marks is been chosen to deliver the State of the Union response is that next week, I believe I'm not mistaken.

[Clay Travis]

Total Trojan horse. Total, total head fake for the entire state. I told you. I actually, I'm not sure you're here. I know people who are now thinking about moving to Florida from Virginia.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Because they're so angry about what's happening in their state.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I mean, look, this is what Democrats do. And I do think before we play this, have some fun with this. Look, Democrats pretend that they're going to be moderate and then they run far left wing. This is why I love Trump. Trump basically gave everyone a roadmap of exactly what he was going to do. And effectively he has just moved down the list. Check mark, check mark, check mark. Whether you agree or disagree with it, I'm not sure we've had a campaign or a candidate who said more exactly what he would do and then getting into office has done exactly what he said. Ok, Pete Hegseth video posted. Secretary of War. Pete Hegseth, our friend.

[Clay Travis]

Let's be honest. Our hunky. The ladies will. Our hunky Secretary of War. All right, this is true.

[Buck Sexton]

Here he is with his son spotting him, which I'm gonna be honest with you, I had my 15 year old spotting me in this video. I don't know that this kid is old enough to be able to be much of a. A big help. In the event that this went poorly, given how much the weight is. Here is Hegseth 3 plates. 315. This is the video just posted. All right, here we go. For the detail.

[Clay Travis]

Three plates got around the spot.

[Buck Sexton]

Long time coming. See? Let's go.

[Clay Travis]

Got to keep the butt down. Gotta keep the butt down.

[Buck Sexton]

If I can. I don't lift.

[Clay Travis]

I got one. One, two, three. I got it, I got it. Oh, this is. I got it. Don't touch it.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, there we go. All right. 315 buck. And I was just saying this. I worked out with my 15 year old this past weekend. They were witnesses in a, in a gym down in Florida. And I had my 15 year old spotting me. I said I haven't tried to do 2:25 in a while. And I said, I just want to prove near the end of a workout, I want to prove I can still do it. And so my 15 year old spotted me 2 25. So I can do. That's two plates. 315 buck is freaky strong, particularly when you think, I mean, Hexeth definitely weighs under 200 pounds and he's whatever he is 45 years old now.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I'm a huge Pete fan. Okay.

[Buck Sexton]

Are you throwing headsets numbers hold on,

[Clay Travis]

hold on, hold on. I'm a huge Secretary of War fan. He's doing a great job with the Pentagon, with the changing of the way that we work with industry to bring the best technology and the best tools to warfighter. And I, I think Peter's doing a great job. And Pete is a friend of yours. Pete is a friend of mine. I think there might be a little bit of performance enhancing drugs involved. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. I'm throwing it. I think we could have a little TRT. A little TRT, you know, maybe definitely some BPC157 to help with the recovery. I'm thinking a little TRT. He's juicing up those numbers a little bit, you know, Is he, did he, did he pop a few anavar for a few weeks before this? That technically wouldn't be legal, but you know, you can get it under certain medical circumstances. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just asking questions. I'm just asking questions. But a little TRT boost to get the 315 up. Some of you, some of you out there know what I'm talking about. Some of you out there know that would, that would help a lot. That would help a lot. Because if he is doing that truly natty. That's pretty wild. That's really, that is quite, that is quite impressive. I know. Please. I know some of your champion powerlifters and you know, you're amazing and we don't. You don't need to send us your shirtless photos.

[Buck Sexton]

We're.

[Clay Travis]

This is Clay and I represent the middle aged dad caucus here. Ok? So I don't. I didn't need to see that. You were a champion bodybuilder. You won the Arnold Classic, yada, yada. No, no, we're the middle aged caucus here. Okay? Middle aged dude caucus to us. 3:15 is pretty, is pretty heavy on the bench if you don't weigh 260 pounds. Like, that's clay. When I got really fat, honestly, or you know, for me, when I gained a lot of weight, I was throwing crazy numbers up on the bench and it actually was bad because I was like, well, I'm getting stronger. Well, yeah, but like, there's a lot of fat. You know, you have to sort of look at it based on body weight, right? Like, like your wife can probably lift twice her body weight, which is freakishly strong. So this is how you can assess actual strength. But the overall number is not going to be the same for like a woman who weighs 120 pounds as a guy who weighs 280 pounds or whatever.

[Buck Sexton]

Most guys can't bench their own body weight. Whatever you weigh out there, most guys cannot do it here. That's why for a lot of people if you, if you're not. Look, I like to lift. It's not like I'm a professional lifter by any stretch of the imagination. Two plates is an incredible target. Right. Like most, like most people. See for those of you who don't know the bench, the bar is 45 pounds. And when we say two plates, we mean two 45 pound weights on each side. That's 225. Easy math. 315 is three plates. There are very few guys that are not professional lifters that can throw up 3:15. So 2:25. There's not that many guys 25 of

[Clay Travis]

the general population of that of, of adults. That includes. I'm trying to see if that includes men and women because obviously if a woman can throw up 225, there are

[Buck Sexton]

some, I mean woman throwing up 225 is off the charts freakish too.

[Clay Travis]

But I think it's about, it's about, it's like 1, it's less than 1% of the, of the overall population can do that.

[Buck Sexton]

So can do 225. So 315 is like 1 in 10,000 strong. I mean it's crazy. So Buck is called out the secretary of war. Maybe he has to come on and defend his bench press ability.

[Clay Travis]

I'm not call, I'm just asking questions. I just feel like this is a great opportunity to explore the benefits of the anti aging and strength increasing regimen. I would say that is available to look for TRT for people. I have by the way lots of Joe Rogan talks about how he's on it. Lots of people will talk about how they take it. And everyone that I know who has taken TRT and medically supervised, I'm talking about. Okay, just to be clear, this is for guys, obviously not for girls because men and women are different. And guys in middle age, this is a huge, a huge overall health benefit to them under a doctor's care, done the proper way and at the proper dosing. But it does make you consider. It does help.

[Buck Sexton]

Well RFK Jr. Has that he did this. If you've seen him with his shirt off, he's 74 years old and he is like it's crazy, right?

[Clay Travis]

Of course, by the way, he's taken more than trt. But that's another conversation. This is the Other thing too. People start admitting the like little bits of this. This is very big in Miami culture. People be like oh like I just take some peptides for recovery. It's like no, I think you take anabolic steroids. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of that here.

[Buck Sexton]

So I haven't just say I haven't taken anything ever. So I'm happy with my 225. And anyway, we'll see. People are now demanding. Remember when I said I could do 18510 times back in the day and everybody was in disbelief over that I posted a video. Maybe I'm going to have to post a video at 225 evidently. But 315, we just shared it. That's good. I mean look, the positive here is everybody should be trying to do more. Especially guys lifting, having more muscle, it allows you to be a much better training.

[Clay Travis]

Like it's is essential for men and women. Women, I am amazed. A lot of the women listening to this are in much better shape than me and that's great. But a lot of women I still come across who say I don't want to get big from weightlifting, that you will get smaller 100%. You will tighten up from your waist will get tighter, your arms will get smaller. Weight lifting will only make you. Unless you're taking crazy amounts of performance enhancing drugs as a woman is only going to make you actually smaller. That's why the most popular category for female bodybuilders is bikini.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, no, I mean it's a great point because for a lot of women they still worry I'm going to get too bulky. Oh, I'm not going to be. Am I going to have a feminine figure? To your point, like muscle is good for everybody.

[Clay Travis]

I mean my mom is in her 60s. My mom is like, like she uses a Smith machine. But she's deadlifting and doing. It's absolutely. Obviously do all these things safely and consult your trainer and your doctor before you start any exercise regimen. But strength training is so critical and there's still this weird almost like the how the food pyramid people like should I really have 12 servings of grain a day? Absolutely not. That's finally gone getting like, like resistance training for strength is something that everybody, every adult should do at all ages at an appropriate level for them it is only good for your health. And that, that's a, I mean that's a message that I think should get

[Buck Sexton]

out there a lot more for me. Yeah, look, your, your wife does a lot of lifting my wife lifts. I mean, they're way better shape than us.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I mean, but that's the way, you know what I mean? Like we're successful radio guys. Like we got to have the wives that are, you know, I mean, come on.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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