Hour 3 - Julie Kelly on the Pipe Bomber

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 3 - Julie Kelly on the Pipe Bomber

Date: December 4, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the breaking arrest in the long-unsolved case of the January 5, 2021, D.C. pipe bomber, whose devices were left outside the RNC and DNC the day before the January 6th U.S. Capitol riot. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton analyze the details and political implications of the arrest, question why previous investigations stalled, and feature an in-depth interview with Julie Kelly—an investigative journalist who has tracked the pipe bomber story for years. The episode interrogates law enforcement priorities, examines new evidence, and confronts narratives built around January 6th.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Arrest: A Major Case Break

Segment Start: [02:36]

• The DOJ and FBI jointly announce the arrest of Brian Cole Jr. for allegedly planting pipe bombs outside the RNC and DNC on January 5, 2021.
• Cole is charged under 18 USC 844 (use of an explosive device).
• The investigation is ongoing, with multiple agencies involved and more possible charges pending.
• AG Pam Bondi’s statement:

  "Early this morning, Brian Cole Jr. was arrested and charged with placing the pipe bombs at the RNC and the DNC on January 5, 2021." ([03:51])

2. Contrasting Law Enforcement Responses: Jan 6 vs. Pipe Bomber

Segment Start: [04:49]

• Clay and Buck draw strong contrasts between the aggressive prosecution of January 6th defendants (even minor participants) versus the years-long delay in solving the pipe bomber case.
• The hosts argue the Biden administration prioritized pursuing Trump supporters over investigating the pipe bomber, theorizing political motivation.
• Clay Travis:

  "If all they had to do was go back over and commit investigation resources to all of the evidence that was already there... why didn’t they do this in the Biden administration?" ([05:36])

3. Political Narratives and the Pipe Bomber Story

Segment Start: [07:52]

• Buck asserts the story was unlikely to align with the mainstream January 6th “insurrection” narrative and was thus deprioritized under previous FBI leadership.
• Buck Sexton:

  "If you upset Democrats...the only riot that has ever upset them is January 6th. The only riot that wasn’t the voice of the people being heard was January 6th. Well what the heck was going on with the pipe bomber the day before?" ([11:39])

4. The FBI’s Shift Under New Leadership

Segment Start: [10:11]

• On-air, cut from FBI Director Cash Patel thanks the new investigation team and credits the shift in approach to fresh leadership:

  "We did not discover any new information. What we did... brought in a new team of investigators and experts, reexamined every piece of evidence, sifted through all the data—something that the prior administration refused and failed to do." ([10:02–10:14])

5. Motivation and Identity of the Suspect

Segment Start: [26:33] and [31:19]

• Released court documents allege:
  • Cole used his credit cards to buy bomb components.
  • Cell phone data places him at the RNC/DNC at the relevant times.
  • Surveillance matches his appearance.
• The hosts quickly observe that Cole is a young Black man from Virginia, with potential links to left-wing politics or Antifa—conflicting with earlier implications that a MAGA supporter was responsible.
• Clay Travis:

  "He is a young black man, Brian Cole Jr. And the indications that he is a die hard Trump supporter... not to be true." ([27:32])

6. Julie Kelly Interview: Investigative Depth and Ramifications

Segment Start: [25:16], [28:55], [34:20], [35:10], [36:35]

• Kelly details how the investigation into the pipe bombings was robust in early 2021, then seemed to fade inexplicably.
• She strongly implies a deliberate stall due to the suspect not fitting the preferred political narrative.
• Julie Kelly:

  "Why Chris Wray’s DOJ, Joe Biden’s Department of Justice completely dropped this matter... We have to believe at this point... [the suspect] was linked to Antifa or that anti-fascist movement—and was not a MAGA person..." ([25:16])

• Kelly emphasizes that if the public had learned earlier about the suspect’s identity, the entire January 6th “insurrection” narrative could have unraveled.
• She flags possible legal ramifications for January 6th prosecutions if evidence was withheld, and the significant cover-up this suggests.
• Julie Kelly:

  "This is a huge cover up on a massive scale of Chris Wray’s FBI and Joe Biden... J6 defendants could have used something like this as exculpatory evidence..." ([28:55])

7. The Scandal, Cover-Up, and Ongoing Questions

Segment Start: [34:20]

• The FBI only needed diligence, not new evidence, to identify Cole—suggesting intentional negligence under prior leadership.
• Kelly and Travis query possible wider conspiracies or additional actors, noting the frequency of “lone wolf” explanations in politically charged violence.
• Discussion examines questions surrounding Kamala Harris’ proximity to a pipe bomb and inconsistent security reactions.
• Julie Kelly:

  "This was not a sophisticated operation that this kid did on his own. Who was he working at, whose behest?" ([37:39])

8. The Broader Impact on January 6th Narrative

Segment Start: [36:04]

• The arrest potentially “seismically” disrupts the established Jan 6 narrative, particularly the portrayal of a so-called white supremacist insurrection.
• Clay Travis:

  "At a minimum, this is destructive to the narrative of Jan 6 in a seismic way..." ([39:15])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Buck Sexton [11:39]:
  "The only riot that has ever upset them is January 6th. The only riot that wasn't the voice of the people being heard was January 6th. Well what the heck was going on with the pipe bomber the day before?"

• Clay Travis [13:10]:
  "If you want to say that [Jan 6] was the most dangerous thing that’s happened...since the Civil War...wouldn't you want to find the guy that was trying to commit the greatest act of violence on January 6th?"

• Julie Kelly [28:55]:
  "This is a huge cover up on a massive scale of Chris Wray's FBI and Joe Biden, Merrick Garland's DOJ keeping this from the American people, keeping it out of legal proceedings."

• Julie Kelly [36:35]:
  "There would be no January 6th insurrection narrative. It would have been over. Yeah, they could not allow that to happen. And this is a scandal of massive proportion and that should be the biggest takeaway."

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Important Timestamps

• [02:36] – Episode begins; news of pipe bomber arrest
• [03:51] – Attorney General Bondi’s press conference statement
• [10:02–10:14] – FBI Director Cash Patel on investigative process
• [13:10] – Discussion on investigative priorities and White House objectives
• [25:16] – Julie Kelly joins the show; outlines the investigative lapse
• [28:55] – Kelly elaborates on political motives and cover-up
• [31:19] – New evidence from court filings read live on-air
• [34:20] – Kelly discusses ramifications for J6 narrative and legal cases

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Tone and Style

The episode maintains a high-energy, urgent tone—combining news analysis, pointed questioning, and investigative commentary. Both hosts use a mix of skepticism and assertive critique, at times adopting a conspiratorial edge regarding government motivations. Julie Kelly provides detailed journalistic insight with a sense of vindication, pressing the case for a politically motivated delay in the pipe bomber probe.

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Summary

In this major news episode, Travis and Sexton interrogate the long-deferred arrest of the D.C. pipe bomber, lambaste past FBI inaction, and suggest the stalling was deliberate to protect the prevailing January 6 narrative of an insurrection by Trump supporters. Julie Kelly, a leading investigative journalist on the story, insists the facts indicate a cover-up of epic scope, as new leadership quickly solved the case using old evidence that had languished. The discussion closes by predicting the arrest will reverberate through public understanding of January 6 and partisan politics, opening hard questions about law enforcement priorities and the suppression of inconvenient facts.

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Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

Third hour of clay and Buck kicks off right now. Thanks for being here with us. Okay, so we're just finishing up here. The presser just ended moments ago. And so we can bring you the most important parts of it to recap a bit or if you're joining us here, for the first time today, the D.C. the D.C. pipe bomber case has had a major break. January 5, 2021, pipe bombs left outside the RNC going for years here, unable to find. And people, I asked this, Clay, in the first hour, I talked about the resources deployed for January 6th versus the resources deployed for the pipe bomber on January 5th, a vast disparity in, in terms of the desire to track down people. It seems under the Biden administration that's now no longer the case. And so there's somebody who is in custody. We have opening remarks here where they cover the most, I think, salient facts, where things stand right now from both the attorney general, Pam Bondi, and FBI Director Cash Patel. Let's start with Attorney General Bondi here, Clay, this is cut 33. Play it.

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Early this morning, Brian Cole Jr. Was arrested and charged with placing the pipe bombs at the RNC and the DNC on January 5, 2021. He has been charged with violating 18 USC 844, which is use of an explosion explosive device. This investigation is ongoing. As we speak, search warrants are being executed and there could be more charges to come. I'm going to let our U.S. attorney discuss that shortly. This was the work of multiple agencies working together. This morning's operation was carried out safely and successfully. We know that there is, there are so many issues when you're issuing search warrants. Dangerous things can happen. And this was carried out safely and secure, securely, thanks to all of the people standing around me.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, Clay. So a lot of, a lot of high fives for the teamwork here. And I think that not only is it because just what an important case this is, and there's a lot, you know, we haven't had the focus on, well, there was really a maniacal focus on January six by Democrats to try to prevent Trump from becoming president. January six. You know, CNN is not doing nightly specials on January six anymore. So we, we haven't had it as much front and center. But there are stories and there are narratives, there are things that surround it that the pipe bomber in custody. Now, I think people are going to want to look back at some of what was said and some of what we were told. This is an important piece in the overall puzzle.

[Clay Travis]

100%. And I, I think as you break all of this down and look at it, the question that I think is going to keep coming up and it's a good one. And I think many of you out there are asking it is if they didn't have to get any new information, if all they had to do was go back over and commit investigation resources to all of the evidence that was already there in order to find the culprit allegedly, why didn't they do this in the Biden administration? Right. This is a very basic question and I think a lot of you are this is why there's been sort of this conspiracy theory, this alarm bell going off. You said it an hour one. If you are a grandma and you went into the Capitol, they were able to show up with the full force and might of the FBI and drag you to out of your home and potentially put you in prison for years. I mean, they put people in and we'll talk with Julie Kelly about this. I mean, they've helped people in solitary confinement for months in D.C. for going into the Capitol on January 6th. And you're telling me that the full might of the federal government couldn't find a guy who had allegedly left pipe bombs. I mean, look, there were violent acts committed on January 6th. Don't get me wrong. And if you attack police officers, as you and I have said for a long time, there should be consequences on that whether you're a Democrat, Republican or Independent. You can't put your hands on a police officer. But a pipe bomb, like again, many of you out there have been asking the question that is far more significant than anything else that has been charged related to January 6th. And again we said Ashley Babbitt was the only person who died on that day. Why did it take five years to get this guy? And why did it take a brand new president to get this guy? I think that raises a lot of alarm bells about, you know, the focus of prosecutorial decision making and whether they chose to not go full fledged after this guy because they didn't like where the trail was leading.

[Buck Sexton]

One part of the January 6th narrative that Democrats become very agitated when you bring up and I think that means we're over the target. You want to continue to bring it up. In fact, I brought this up in the overtime segment on Real Time with Bill Marklay before the election. And the Democrats in the panel got very upset. But I just, I said you cannot talk about January 6th as though it happened in a vacuum. And it came after months of Biden, Democrat.

Street demonstrations, riots, you know, the, the, the left antifa stormtroopers. I mean, the craziness, neighborhoods Being burned down, police stations being burned down. The insanity that was unleashed by Democrats as a show of force during COVID and the complete lack of consequences and punishment. Kamala Harris was raising money for the bail fund after they burned down a whole part of Minneapolis. Right. The absolute.

Really working together of Democrats with the leftist street mobs. Well, one hand washes the other. I mean, they are one and the same. That was the context of the election and January 6th. And I think that one of the reasons the pipe bomber story was so uninteresting to Democrats, including the Biden FBI, was. Hold on a second. You mean that there might have been some lunatic leftist who was trying to bomb and perhaps dismember people outside the RNC right before. Right before January 6th occurred? It just is something that does not go along with the official narrative, which is why. Of the Democrats, which is why it was, I think, buried for so long. We've got Cash Patel, by the way, his opening statement here. Clay, listen to what the FBI director had to say. Play 34. I want to take a moment to thank the Metropolitan Police Department, the United States Capitol Police, our brave prosecutors, the Department of Justice, and our leader, Attorney General Pam Bondi, and U.S. attorney Jeanine Pirro, whose relentless work on this case made this possible.

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[Clay Travis]

Again. It is. It is. I mean, you worked, you. You know, with the NYU terrorism cases, things like that. I just strip away all of everything else and just pretend that for five years they have been looking for this guy. Why would the Biden team, which committed ungodly amounts of resources investigatively to try to go get everybody that they could that had a remote connection to January 6th. Why in the world would they not have been able to catch this guy? I mean, just from your point, objectively, it's. And I'll tell you my theory. You tell me if I'm crazy. It's because they didn't want to catch this guy. They didn't think it was a resource that they cared about.

[Buck Sexton]

No, there's no, there's, there was no imperative here because like I was saying, no matter what we find out about this guy, it muddies the narrative for Democrats. Just like talking about the six months of mayhem leading up to this, which were all Democrat riots. And I've said, and I stand behind this 100%, the 2020 election was held under the duress of, of Democrats threatening to burn down cities and neighborhoods all across America, which we know because there were store owners and others who were boarding things up after they had seen what had already happened. When you upset Democrats. Right. So there was the threat of force and ongoing anarchy all at the hands of Democrats. But the only riot that has ever upset them is January 6th. The only riot that wasn't the voice of the people being heard was January 6th. Well, what the heck was going on with the pipe bomber the day before?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

What was he trying to do? What side of the spectrum ideologically was he on? Because I'd be willing to bet, just like we've been talking about all along here, guy's probably some leftist anarchist loon. And it just goes to show you, once again, you know, maybe 99 times out of 100, but the political violence problem is on the left.

[Clay Travis]

And if they had arrested a left wing, violent lunatic, then it would have severely curtailed their ability to make it seem as if this was an insurrection and Trump supporters were unique dangers to the country.

Again, I, I just come back to if you want to say that this entire incident was the most dangerous thing that's happened to the United States since the Civil War. That's what Biden and Kamala said, that it was the darkest day in America since the Civil War. Wouldn't you want to find the guy that was trying to commit the greatest act of violence on January 6th? I mean, I'm just looking at it as, like, if I'm an objective investigator and I go and I say, hey, this is a serious, serious incident. What's the first thing you say? Let's go get the guys or gals that are responsible for the most violent and serious components of this, this incident. And somehow, somehow that didn't happen for five years. And then they come out in this press conference and they say, this wasn't some brand new tip. This wasn't some brand new person coming forward and giving the FBI information. It was just a diligent focus on this as a major Point of investigation.

[Buck Sexton]

Which goes to one, the doggedness and deficiency at the top levels of this new FBI, which is why I think it does deserve the credit that is being spread around right now. And also it goes to what we've said all along, which is it just wasn't a priority for the Biden FBI. Obviously, they had years to do this. No new leads. What does that mean? It means the Biden FBI backburner this thing. Yep. Why they backburner? Well, that's what we're talking about.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's the only question. We'll talk with this with Julie Kelly, who has been hammering this to her credit. She's been talking about this for years, talked about it with us on the show for years, and we'll see what she thinks. But I think at a minimum, again, assuming they got the right guy and the guy has a presumption of innocence, as all people do, this is a tremendous success story for Dan Bongino and Cash Patel and frankly, Attorney General Pam Bondi, too, because they came in and said, we're going to figure out who's actually responsible for this. And they have arrested the individual they believe was responsible for putting down these pipe bombs on that day. I'm actually genuinely curious to hear what, what Julie's take on all of this is in about 12 minutes because she has covered this aspect of the story more aggressively than almost anyone. And so we'll see what details she has found most surprising or interesting or significant that have come out. You know, cash Patel tweeted 20 minutes ago, when Dan Bongino and I came to the FBI, the pipe bomb investigation had been stalled for five years. We rebuilt it from scratch, rerunning every lead, retesting every piece of evidence, bringing in top experts and deploying new technology to engineer the break that finally nailed the suspect today is the result of that outstanding work. We didn't need new evidence, just new leaders and a new president willing to let good cops be cops. So that is the significant aspect again, of all of this. And we will, we will see what Julie Kelly has to say in about 12 minutes.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show we are rolling through the program. Julie Kelly Guinness join us next. Again, big story out there. Press conference. The pipe bomber of the January 6th weekend of that incident has been arrested according to the FBI, according to the attorney General. Julie Kelly knows more about this than almost anybody in the way that it's been covered over the last five days. We will talk with her about that. But we have a couple of fun talkbacks. Derek from Minnesota News Talk 1130. He's got Linda's back.

[Buck Sexton]

HH I'm with Linda as far as who cares if they die or not.

[Clay Travis]

And if they were alive, they should be killed anyways.

[Buck Sexton]

There's gonna go back and run more drugs obviously, as they did. Anyways. What's the, what's this movie with Max Von Sedow where he's like kill them all. Let God sort them out. Isn't that, isn't that Stephen King movie? You know I'm talking about.

[Clay Travis]

I know that phrase, but I don't know the movie.

[Buck Sexton]

I can't remember the movie either. I'll figure that one out.

[Clay Travis]

Dennis Frank and New oh God, I was gonna say VIP email from Dennis. I think I just went by Linda's house because there was a sign in the front yard that said Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, the quote is from the 1993 movie Needful Things. And yeah, there you go.

[Clay Travis]

So, callers, my call screener just went down. Tom in Rhode island, what you got for us?

[Julie Kelly]

Hello.

[Clay Travis]

What's up, buddy? How are you? I'm okay.

[Julie Kelly]

Let me get it off speakerphone. The reason I'm calling is I'm a first time call, long time listener. You guys are great. I see you're on Fox a lot. One of you said, why didn't the Biden people do anything about this? Do anything about it?

[Clay Travis]

Because they were too busy going after Donald Trump.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, yeah, that's what we're. We've said versions of that. They will go after Jan6, Trump, the whole thing.

[Clay Travis]

Sure, we agree. Thank you. Thank you for the call and thanks for listening. They didn't want to catch the guy. The score of a rhetorical question. Why didn't. If you're convinced this is the most dangerous thing that's happened to the country since the Civil War, wouldn't you get the most violent person?

[Buck Sexton]

And Frank, Frank from New Jersey, GG on the talk back saved me from shutting off this channel.

[Clay Travis]

I was thinking Clay and Buck, guy.

[Buck Sexton]

Who'S in the CIA, a guy who writes the books about balls. What a bunch of good guys. Then all of a sudden we start talking about red wine and sausage parties.

[Julie Kelly]

But Linda, thank you for saving me and I will continue listening.

[Buck Sexton]

Linda kept him as a listener for us.

[Clay Travis]

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[Julie Kelly]

Hey Clay, I'm sorry you broke up that very first part there. But why? This was not, not only not focus of their investigation, this was a very vigorous investigation early on through January, February 2021. Then all of a sudden it disappeared. Yeah, and that really is the takeaway. That's the scandal about this arrest today. Not necessarily that the suspect is in custody and now they just posted the complaint. So I'm going to be looking through that. But why Chris Wray's doj, Joe Biden's Department of Justice completely dropped this matter. And we have to believe at this point some of the reporting indicating that this individual, who was 25 or 26 at the time, was linked to, to antifa or that anti fascist movement and was not a MAGA person as we were told for years.

[Clay Travis]

So what do you think actually. What do you think actually has happened here? And you said the complaint has just been posted. Dan Bongino, Cash Patel, Pam Bondi, they had a big press conference. We have played some cuts from that. I'm scrolling through Twitter right now trying to see if I can see that complaint as you were just talking about as well.

What exactly has been alleged here but the arrest? This, Brian? Well, let me, let me play for you, Julie, and let you react to this. This was Dan Bongino describing the moment they were able to solve the case and his reaction. Cut 35.

[Buck Sexton]

Was there a particular moment where the.

[Clay Travis]

Evidence is coming in and it's starting.

[Buck Sexton]

To look like progress is being made with what was the moment that you knew that you were on the road.

[Clay Travis]

To solving the case?

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[Julie Kelly]

Yeah, sure.

[Buck Sexton]

I was smiling at you because I.

[Clay Travis]

Certainly remember the moment. Darren remembers it too. He said, are you sitting down? Called me on the phone. I said, oh boy, why is this bad news? And he said, I think we got him what exactly that tip was. I going to have to pass on that for right now while we're still, there's obviously we're in the prologue of a long book.

[Buck Sexton]

This is just the beginning.

[Clay Travis]

This is not the end of the investigation, as you all well know. Haven't reported on these for a long time. There's interviews to be conducted. The search warrant processing scene is not even done. Okay. The affidavit is up, Julie. On the criminal complaint, I, I've just seen images of this guy start to circulate. He is a young black man, Brian Cole Jr. And the indications that he is a die hard Trump supporter or that he would have been an insurrectionist seems quite clearly not to be true. And again, I'm reading through with this affidavit right now.

What I think this has the potential. So let me take a step back because we're analyzing this in real time. This has the potential to change in many ways the narrative surrounding Jan6 itself. If instead of a crazed group of Trump terrorists, there were also individuals here who are, you know, this individual is maybe just a left wing radical that was also involved in this. That really kind of changes the oh, these are crazy white supremacist Trump supporters narrative. Doesn't it, doesn't it challenge things?

[Julie Kelly]

It definitely does, Clay. And that's why, and I was saying this earlier in interviews this morning, before we even knew, you know, the individual's name, but there was some reporting that he was tied to Antifa. Is that that explains why the investigation was dropped? Because it completely contradicted what FBI Director Christopher Wray and I will be posting these clips shortly on axejoykelly2. Christopher Wray's insistence that Antifa played no role in the events of January 6th. Now he was saying this as early as March of 2021 when he designated January 6th an act of domestic terrorism. But he was insistent that no one from Antifa was involved. There was no way for him to know that, Clay. But because you had the president, because you had people who were there on January 6th who were saying that they saw Antifa there, they saw Antifa getting out of buses. We also have right now, finally, I think it was discovered last year or in 2023, undercover D.C. metro Police officers arriving at Capitol grounds telling people that they were there to find Antifa. So this would have been not just decimated the entire January 6th insurrection narrative, but also contradicted Chris Wray because he was desperate to help develop this insurrection narrative and use it against the President and the MAGA movement. So we have a much bigger scandal on our hands. Rather than just taking a man into custody who was seen on that video on January 5th. This is a huge cover up on a massive scale of Chris Wray's FBI and Joe Biden, Merrick Garland's Department of Justice keeping this from the American people, keeping it out of legal proceedings. J6 defendants could have used something like this as exculpatory evidence because you had judges calling this an insurrection incited by the President. So there are a lot of consequences, legal ramifications of what Chris Wray's cover up, if that is indeed the fact of this individual who planted the pipe bombs and then prompted the first wave of panic and even evacuations that day. Right as the joint session was convenient at one o'. Clock.

[Clay Travis]

All right, let me read. This is the court. Let me see. I want to make sure I get the official because my producer. This is the affidavit in support of the criminal complaint that has been filed and released. And I'm reading through it live with you right now. Cole lives in a single family house with his mother and other family members. He is 30 years old, resident of Woodbridge, Virginia. The evidence laid out here, Julie, and I'm reading this in real time. The FBI has identified one bank checking account, six credit cards used by Cole to they allege purchase multiple items consistent with the components used to manufacture the pipe bombs. And they say that he bought these things in a physical retail locations in Northern Virginia. And then it runs through the specifics of exactly what was included in these pipe bombs and where they were able to find and trace the the purchases at Home Home Depot. They then say that they were and this is very detailed about the things that were purchased that they believe were directly used in the pipe bomb that they were able to to analyze. They also then say that since at least as early as January 5, 2021, they have identified his cell phone number and they have been able to obtain historical cell site records located in the immediate vicinity of the RNC and the DNC at the time at which the bomb was placed. And these are cell phone towers, location data records obtained. And again I'm reading from this in real time from the cell phone provider provide service to Cole's cell phone, show that he was in the area and that they are able let's see the particular sector that engaged and basically that he was There during the time that they believe that these pipe bombs were actually placed. So again, I'm reading in real time the specific pinging. You may or may not have this in front of you, Julie. This will be ultimately for a court to determine guilt or innocence. But they have, it appears, him purchasing the items that were used to make the pipe bomb with his credit card and then his cell phone being in the location where the pipe bomb was placed on that night. That is circumstantial. They obviously have video footage of an individual as well. He's covered up. He fits the height, size. Maybe they'll be able to find some of these clothes. I don't know. But this is very detailed. It was not discussed at the press conference. So your reaction to some of this, obviously, is it's coming down in real time.

[Julie Kelly]

Right. So this does appear to confirm that the FBI has the right person in custody. So that's. That's a good sign. We don't want, you know, a rush to judgment here. And that does not appear to be the case. But what was said during the press conference today, and I would have liked to have seen a lot more details on the suspect and where this investigation is headed and the COVID up apparently by Chris Wray's FBI rather than sort of, you know, this teamwork.

Performance that we got instead. So this affidavit, this complaint will be helpful in giving, Put some. Putting some more meat on the bone. But, Clay, what was said during the press conference is very important. This discovery identifying the suspect was not based on new information or evidence.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, right.

[Julie Kelly]

They were working off what they already had, just putting new investigators, fresh pairs of eyes on this, which means that the Wray FBI has had that for years. So this was an intentional decision by someone, whether it was Chris Wray, whether it was Steven Dantuano, who was a D.C. fBI at the time overseeing the pipe bomb investigation. So someone or somebody made conscious choice not to pursue this, but to pretend at the same time that the FBI actually was looking for this person. So, you know, as I said, there are big ramifications for this. And I hope that we hear more from the FBI and the DOJ about what they had when they had it, the fingerprints, all over that information early on, and then he made the decision to shut the whole thing down.

[Clay Travis]

Yes. Julie, we appreciate the time. Again, this is a breaking news story. I know you're going to have a crazy day. We're trying to make sense of it all. But I think certainly the idea that this was a white supremacist led revolt against the United States government would be challenged if the most violent alleged perpetrator was a young black man connected to Antifa, as the details seem to suggest, he was based on the, based on the information that is coming out here. So.

[Julie Kelly]

Well, put yourself, put us back to April of 2021. Let's say that Chris Wray does announce this arrest of this individual and he's a young black man, no ties to MAGA, but has ties to Antifa. There would be no January 6th insurrection narrative. It would have been over. Yeah, they could not allow that to happen. And this is a scandal of massive proportion and that should be the biggest takeaway today.

[Clay Travis]

And then I think, Julie, to build on top of that, a lot of people are going to start to say, okay, what motivated this 25 year old at that point in time to decide to do this? And then he vanishes for five years and doesn't do anything else and he's living at his parents house in Northern Virginia and we suddenly find him like what is his back? It just. There are an awful lot of lone wolfs, it seem, who engage and I'm using quotation marks for those watching on video who engage in acts of violence that we hear, oh well, they had no connection to anyone else. Isn't it kind of suspicious how often that seems to happen?

[Julie Kelly]

It is happening more often. And I think that this is something that, that FBI, that Cash and Dan are going to have to address straight on. I mean if we are expected to believe that this individual did this on his own, we could see him on a phone, we can see him using his glasses to like peer for an address. We can see him retracing his steps. This was not a sophisticated operation that this kid did on his own. Who was he working at whose behest? And then Clay, like you and I and you, Buck and I have talked about for years. The very system, suspicious surroundings related to the discovery at the RNC and the dnc. I still believe that something more nefarious happened in that timeline that day on January 6th, right before those discoveries. Then what happened with this individual who was arrested today?

[Clay Travis]

Well, remember, I mean there's that video of Kamala Harris supposedly in incredible danger coming within what, a few feet of the alleged pipe bomb and nobody notices it and they didn't turn into a huge story. I think you've talked about this in the past when you know you're about to be elected as vice president and there's a pipe bomb in close proximity to you and nobody seems to be concerned about it. Anyway, there's a lot here and I appreciate you coming on and I think a lot of this is going to continue to be explained and to be unraveled as we go forward so that there's more sense to be made here. But we appreciate the time and thank you for everything that you've been doing on these cases.

[Julie Kelly]

You too, Clay. Talk to you soon. Thanks.

[Clay Travis]

That's Julie Kelly. I'll try to get to a couple of your calls when we come back because again, I'm trying to read this affidavit in real time and analyze it as, you know, major breaking news. And again, at a minimum, this is destructive to the narrative of Jan.6 in a seismic way that now a young black man who appears to have been of left wing ideology is arrested as the foremost violent actor of the Jan.6 window. It's just big news. It is huge news and they couldn't find this guy for five years. Biden had four years when they were dragging grandmas out of their house when they were looking for everyone on January six and they couldn't find the guy who was engaged in potentially the most heinous of the potential violent acts of anybody. Again, a lot going on here. This is a big story I want to tell you going into the weekend. Here's something simple. Four players that I am taking for prize picks to have success. George Pickens, more than 77 and a half receiving yards. Jameer Gibbs more than 76 and a half rushing yards. Josh Allen more than 228 and a half passing yards. Jamar Chase, more than 90 and a half receiving yards. Lots of you like me are major football fans. I'm going to be up tomorrow for the World Cup. You can play World cup on price picks come June when the World cup is underway in the United States. If you like college basketball, if you like college football, if you like the NFL, NFL set all time records on Thanksgiving. More people watched Cowboys Chiefs than have ever watched an NFL regular season game in history. I know huge percentages of you guys are out there watching. Rush was a monster football fan. You guys will love prize picks. Go get signed up right now. You can play along. $5 you get $50 deposited in your account. That's $5 $50 deposited in your account. Get hooked up today. Prizepix.com code clay that's prizepix.com code Clay want to be in the know when you're on The Go the Team 47 podcast Trump highlights from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clan Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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