Hour 3 - Katie Miller Dishes on Elon

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 3 – Katie Miller Dishes on Elon (December 10, 2025)

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Overview

In this engaging final hour, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton welcome Katie Miller, former Trump administration staffer, podcast host, and recent interviewer of Elon Musk. The conversation dives into Miller’s firsthand experiences working with Musk, insights from her interview with him, and broader topics such as AI, social media regulation, and the personal costs of public life in the current political climate. Listener calls and spirited banter round out an hour rich in both perspective and personality.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Katie Miller on Elon Musk (02:37 – 08:53)

Who is Elon Musk behind the scenes?

• Miller describes Musk as mission-driven, humble, and unpretentious, contrasting him with stereotypes of billionaires.
• She emphasizes his relentless focus on "fixing humanity" and his lifestyle choices—Uber Eats, sleeping on friends’ couches, owning a modest home.
• She discusses Musk’s business philosophy: prioritizing solutions and impact over wealth displays.

“He is not showy about his wealth. You would not know it if you hung out with him or spent time with him, how much money he is truly worth…”
— Katie Miller (04:38)

• On rumors of a SpaceX IPO and Musk’s possible trillionaire status, Miller notes there are many paths for Musk’s companies to reach massive valuations.
• Highlights Musk’s involvement in multiple fields: rocketry (SpaceX), electric cars (Tesla), artificial intelligence (xAI, Grok).

Elon's unique method for managing and scaling multiple companies

• Miller describes Musk's "context switching": designating entire days to one company at a time (e.g., SpaceX Day, Tesla Day), which permits intense, undistracted focus and efficiency.

“His brain functions in a way that yours or mine simply couldn't... He does this through context switching, where each day of his week is focused on a different company... It’s that focus and drive to do one thing at one time.”
— Katie Miller (07:14)

2. Reflections on AI, Dogecoin, and the Future (08:20 – 10:28)

Musk’s regrets about Dogecoin

• Miller recounts Musk’s admission (in their interview) that involvement with Dogecoin was a costly distraction, pulling attention and drawing criticism to his serious ventures.

“He told you in the interview that in retrospect, he wishes he had not done Doge because it took so much attention and criticism onto the companies that he runs.”
— Clay Travis (08:20)

AI optimism and concerns

• Musk is bullish on AI as a force that will make work optional, but Miller echoes his warnings: AI could also pose risks, especially for children’s development and learning.

• Miller draws an analogy: once calculators were controversial in math classes, now AI could mean children might never need to learn certain skills hands-on.

3. Debate: Social Media Bans for Kids and Parental Responsibility (10:28 – 12:17)

Australia’s ban on under-16s using social media

• Hosts solicit Miller’s opinion; she’s skeptical of sweeping federal bans and instead urges parental monitoring and state-level autonomy.

“I don't like heavy handed government regulation. I don't like these type of one-size-fits-all policies... we should have parents who do great for their children, who monitor their children online because there are abuses no matter whether you’re talking about social media or education.”
— Katie Miller (11:09)

• Clay and Buck discuss the rationale and effectiveness of such regulations, with Buck noting there are analogues in age limits for other risky behaviors and products.

4. The Toll of Public Life & Political Polarization (12:17 – 15:09)

On threats and harassment directed at political figures and their families

• Clay brings up recent attacks on Erica Kirk and parallels to the Miller family’s experiences.
• Miller reflects on the emotional toll of political violence and harassment, as well as her conversations with Erica—grieving spouse and organizational CEO.

“I think political violence only gets worse before it gets better. And I think Charlie is a very sad realization that just for speech, you can be murdered in cold blood on a sunny, beautiful day in our country.”
— Katie Miller (13:06)

Personal anecdotes on protestors

• Buck shares a humorous memory about protestors mistakenly targeting his building due to Stephen Miller’s (Katie's husband) residency.
• Miller points out that visible protestors are less concerning than anonymous online threats.

“It’s the people you don’t know that is scary. The ones who are going to come kill you don’t let you know at first.”
— Katie Miller (15:09)

5. Light Moments: Trump’s Movie Nights and Cultural Tastes (16:35 – 17:55)

• Clay and Buck bring up Trump’s interest in “Rush Hour 4” and classic action films. Miller shares behind-the-scenes stories about Trump’s movie nights at the White House, lauding his “on-brand” film choices (Top Gun, Bloodsport).
• Miller notes Trump’s “great respect for good cinema” vs. modern “woke” fare.

“One of the lesser known facts of President Trump is that he loves movie night… Yes, I've seen a lot of these movies. No, I’m not surprised he weighed in…”
— Katie Miller (16:42)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “He is just someone who's truly passionate about saving humanity...”
  — Katie Miller (04:38)

• “If you go to any of his companies, they’re all mission-driven. And it was an honor to work for him.”
  — Katie Miller (06:26)

• “His brain functions in a way that yours or mine simply couldn't... It’s a fascinating time to have a conversation with him...”
  — Katie Miller (07:14)

• “[Elon Musk] told you in the interview that in retrospect, he... wishes he had not done Doge...”
  — Clay Travis (08:20)

• “I don't think we should be policing at what age children have [social media]... we should have parents who do great for their children, who monitor their children online...”
  — Katie Miller (11:09)

• “I really enjoy the protesters... At least you can see them coming and you know why they’re yelling at you. It’s the people you don’t know that is scary.”
  — Katie Miller (15:09)

• “One of the lesser known facts of President Trump is that he loves movie night... He is an incredible movie buff who has great respect for good cinema...”
  — Katie Miller (16:42)

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Listener Call-In Highlights

(24:45 – 29:42)

• Enrique (St. Louis): Raises questions about the inconsistency of laws regarding the definition of adulthood.
• Marlene (Sacramento): A clinical social worker reports that phone withdrawal is one of the top drivers for ER visits by suicidal children, highlighting social media/addiction implications.

(32:12 – 37:01)

• Clay’s argument: Protecting children is one of the fundamental roles of government; compares social media regulation to historical acceptance of unhealthy behaviors (e.g., cigarettes).
• Buck notes that not all government regulation is overreach; some is for public safety.

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Tone and Style

The conversation balances seriousness—about the responsibilities and stress of public roles, the perils and promise of AI, and the challenge of regulating for children’s safety—with humor and candid storytelling. Miller is forthright and thoughtful, Clay and Buck lively and sometimes irreverent, making for a compelling, relatable listen.

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For Further Listening

Clay directs listeners to check out Katie Miller’s full interview with Elon Musk on her podcast for more in-depth discussion.

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Summary

This episode offers a revealing portrait of Elon Musk through the eyes of a former senior advisor and current collaborator; it also tackles some of the most pressing questions of the moment—AI’s societal impact, the challenge of digital parenting, and the escalating vitriol in American politics—with both gravity and wit. Katie Miller’s perspective deepens the discussion, giving listeners insight into not just the headlines but the character, values, and everyday realities of the figures shaping them.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

In final hour Wednesday edition of the program, we're going to be joined by Katie Miller Had a great sit down interview with Elon Musk her boss for quite a bit of time, I believe during the early days of Trump 2.0. We will discuss that with her. Also Australia, many of you weighing in on the 16 and under social media ban. Breaking news during that last commercial break, the Fed has cut the interest rate by a quarter point nine to three vote. So it was not unanimous, but the interest rates now have dropped to a 3.5 to 3.75 level. That is going to continue to bring borrowing cost back down to some form of normalcy after the Biden craziness with inflation. And there is basically stock markets pretty much even as this was expected to occur. We will update you on anything relating to that going forward. But yet another rate cut again, 3.5 to 3.75%. We bring in now Katie Miller. She sat down with Elon Musk. I believe that episode dropped yesterday. It's receiving a great deal of attention. Katie, what can you tell us about the the interview? Also news with Elon, I don't think we've talked about this. That SpaceX, one of the many companies that he is involved in, may well according to Bloomberg, be going public this coming year in 2026 at a $1.5 trillion valuation, which would mean a if that occurs, that Elon Musk would basically become the first trillionaire in the history of of the world. And so I'll start with that. What is Elon like? What would surprise people about him? What did you find your experience spending so much time around him to be like what should we know?

[Katie Miller]

Thanks for having me on guys. Elon is a, I would say this if no one else knew anything about him. He's a truly great man who cares first and foremost about fixing human. He is not showy about his wealth. You would not know it if you hung out with him or spent time with him, how much money he is truly worth. Because he is one of the few billionaires in which I've met, come across during my time in the Trump administration who truly doesn't act or behave like it. He uber eats like the rest of us. He sleeps on couches, he stays in friends houses. His house is not grand or grandiose. He is just someone who's truly passionate about saving humanity. And so through his time with Dosh really believed in balancing the budget and that we needed to get costs under control. And when he found out that Doge was not the best way in time of his youth to be doing so, he said great, I'm going to go do AI and robotics and create companies that increase our country's gdp. And so when you talk about Space X's valuation, which I don't know if they're going public or not, I haven't heard any conversations like that, but nor would I. But what I would say is there's a lot of ways for Elon to become a trillionaire, whether that be through robotics at Tesla, whether that be through Xai and Grok, which I believe is the only truth seeking AI out there on the market. You see OpenAI openly pushing woke and transgender policies that they're currently donating to. And so when you're the first company and the only company that can really send rockets to Mars and send rockets to the moon and have starlink, right, which is such a great Internet, if anyone's ever used it, that he is truly a man who has never screened an employee. If you go to any of his companies, they're all mission driven. And it was an honor to work for him. I still do work for him and overall I do wish him the best. It was an honor to interview him.

[Buck Sexton]

Katie, it's buck to the degree you can. Having spent time around him, can you just try to lay out for us why is it, what about him makes him able? What about Elon Musk puts him in this place where he's able to do Any one of these companies that we're talking about here would be an incredible achievement of building an incredible benchmark in the corporate world and the jobs and the wealth and the technology and all the things that come with that to do so many of them, it almost seems superhuman. So what are the Elon X factors as you've seen them? Why is he able to do something at this scale and at this pace that just seems like it's impossible, but clearly it's not.

[Katie Miller]

I would make a joke and say his brain is computer. His brain functions in a way that yours or mine simply couldn't. The way he processes information, the way he can immediately recall facts, figures and data from various time periods, from various complex computer issues that simply I couldn't do it, is a fascinating time to have a conversation with him. You know, when you're sitting there and having this conversation, you understand just by how many orders of magnitude he is smarter than everybody else he comes in contact with. But how he does this in his day, and he talks about this a bit in the podcast, is through this context switching, where each day of his week is focused on a different company or focused on the same set of issues so he doesn't have to change his thought process multiple times over. Right. So if you're doing a Space X day, if you're doing a Tesla day, if you have a day where you're focused on engineering, that way his brain can focus on a specific set of issues at a specific time, which is very unique to any of us. Right. Who go through many things in a day. It's having that focus and drive to do one thing at one time, which he is very good at doing.

[Clay Travis]

He told you in the interview that in retrospect, he would probably wishes he had not done Doge because it took so much attention and criticism onto the companies that he runs. He also talked with you about AI. I know you've got young kids and we'll get to a question relating to kids in social media going forward, but knowing Elon as you do, how optimistic are you about where AI is going? And what did you think about his sort of analysis in retrospect, that he wishes he had not gotten involved with Doge?

[Katie Miller]

I think Doge was done at a great expense to him, not only with the burning of the cars, but as it relates to. To recruiting at companies. Right. And so.

That.

Just short period of time that him as an engineer and a builder, that if he had spent those six months rapidly building an AI, I believe they would probably reach AGI advanced Global Intelligence by now and have truly an AI that could do a lot more than what you and I are thinking it could do. Right. That's replacing so many of the functions of human life. It's what Elon talks about and he talked about podcast when he says things like, you know, work will be optional in the future, that it won't be as many days per week or hours per week. And I know you're going to get to, you know, Australia and their social media ban. Right. Because in my opinion, how ridiculous is that? I believe that parents should self belief where we are on the Internet. And I think AI has the probability and the chance to do incredibly bad things, especially relates to children's minds and children's brains, you think? I was just about this the other day with my husband about how when I took math, they said, well, you have to learn to do this without a calculator. And now it's like I walk around with my phone, the human calculator, like all day long. That can do much more complex issues than what you could do with a calculator. And meanwhile you're talking about AI where you could just take a photo of something and it can synthesize it. That's a lot less learning for our children and also there's a lot of abuses of it that are very scary.

[Buck Sexton]

Speaking of Katie Miller, she is the host of a fantastic podcast which you should all go check out is a pretty clear moment here, I think, Katie, for us to transition into this discussion we were just having, it involves children and protecting children. This ban on those under 16 in so using social media and it's all the big social media companies that everybody thinks of covered under this that Australia just implemented. What's your take on this and how do you view this? And as somebody who's very close to obviously this White House and your husband is one of the top people in this White House and looking at policy, how do you think that this would play out in America?

[Katie Miller]

I haven't had this conversation with my husband or anyone in the White House. So I'll preface that, but by saying that I don't like heavy handed government regulation. I don't like these type of one size fits all policies. I don't agree with them. If states want to have state preemption on things like this, then that's their right and that's my choice not to live in that state. I don't believe we should be policing at what age can children have this? Because you could argue that children's brains aren't developed at 16, nor are they at 18, nor they're at 21. Right. That there's some studies out there that say someone's brain isn't developed until 27 or 28 years old. And if you're working under those theories, I'm on a train. So if you hear it, I'm so sorry everybody. But what I would say is if you're working under that theory of saying that we shouldn't have heavy handed gum relationship government regulations, we should have parents who do great for their children, who understand and who monitor their children online because there are abuses. No matter whether you're talking about social media, whether you're talking about homework and education, you don't want your child misusing the Internet for a lot of scary things, including AI.

[Clay Travis]

No doubt. Katie Miller with us right now. Katie Miller Podcast Just talked with Elon Musk and had a great interview. You guys can check it out when you this is a little bit of a dark question, but unfortunately this is the world we're in. We played earlier. Erica Kirk, she's been on Fox News Today. Charlie has a new book out responding to people who are ripping her, including people on the left. I'm sure you saw this, but crazy chick called her a grifter who should be kicked to the curb. Unfortunately, you as a mom, have had to deal with a lot of threats to your husband, to your family. How does it make you feel when you see the way that Erica Kirk is being treated and her family is being treated by many people on the left in this country?

[Katie Miller]

It's incredibly sad. And I've had the conversation with Erica numerous times over the last few weeks because I don't want to say it's the price of doing business, but that is, in our country, what politics has become. It's incredibly divisive. And I think political violence only gets worse before it gets better. And I think Charlie is a very sad realization that just for speech, you can be murdered in cold blood on a sunny, beautiful day in our country. I am in awe of Erica's strength, but there are two different things. There is one of Erica, the grieving widow, and then there is Erica, the CEO. And it's a privilege to watch her step into today, Watching her on Outnumbered, watching her step into that CEO role of standing up for her company, standing up for her business, standing up for him, her employees, and her husband. Because that's what I saw today as I saw a woman who stepped into the role of CEO and not just a woman who became a widow three months ago today.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, Katie, this is taking you in a far less serious direction, but I just, I have to tell you this. When I lived in D.C. in the first Trump administration there, and I was doing media like I am now, I've been doing this for a long time. There was on a random Sunday, a group of left wing, blue haired lunatics, you know, nose rings, the future is female T shirts, the whole thing under my window. And they were banging drums and cowbells and making all this noise. And I remember I was thinking to myself, I was like, oh, they finally found me, you know, Like, I knew eventually this was gonna happen. They know about my radio show. Like, they finally found me. And then I was like, I don't know. Are they really here for me? And I went downstairs and do you know who they were there for? Your husband?

I was like, wait. And like that, I was almost kind of disappointed. They're like, stephen Miller lives in this building. And I wanted to be like, well, guess what, you morons, he's on the other side of the building. You're just waking me up. And thankfully, you don't even know who I am. But yes, that was. That was one of my introductions To. To life as Stephen Miller or what it could be. So I always remembered that, you know.

[Katie Miller]

I really enjoy the protesters. I enjoy the. Because at least you can see them coming and you know why they're yelling at you. It's the people you don't know that is scary. And that's what's out there. The people who send you death threats online, on Instagram, on X, you know, even to my email or to my website. Like, they're not the ones who are going to come kill you. The ones who are going to come kill you don't let you know at first. And that's the scary part. But I will tell you, it is an honor to teach my children about politics in this country and what it means to be an American when people want to come up and make their voices heard in front of my minor children.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, it's absolutely bonkers.

[Buck Sexton]

It's absolutely.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, if you're a parent, if you're just a normal person and you see someone out with their kids and your thought is, I'm going to run up to the parent and yell at them about something I disagree with them with, you're wrong. And I would say that whether you're a Democrat, Republican, Independent, I can't believe that that would happen. But if you do that, you are the bad person. You're much worse than anybody you would complain about. So I hope people out there in this audience have never done that and never would. Katie, we appreciate you. Congrats on the success of the show. Tell Stephen we said hi. Oh, I wanted to ask you this. Were you surprised we'll go out on this? Were you surprised to see that President Trump weighed in on Rush Hour 4? And also that he is a huge fan of Bloodsport? It now appears that Russia.

[Buck Sexton]

Does Stephen make you watch Bloodsport with him? Because we love that movie, too. But you're married to him. Do you guys watch Bloodsport?

[Katie Miller]

So one of the lesser known facts of President Trump is that he loves movie night. And so in the first term, he was movie night all the time in the White House and at Camp David. And when he would go there, there would be movie night, where he would pick these movies to go on the screen for all of the spouses or whomever his guests were and their friends. And so, yes, I've seen a lot of these movies. No, I'm not surprised he waited. He is an incredible movie buff who has a great respect for good cinema, not just woke cinema and stuff we see on air today, right. With Netflix and the Training of the children. But truly good cinema was there, by.

[Clay Travis]

The way, was there a movie he picked and you were like, I can't believe this was the Trump pick. Like, it was just funny. Was there anything where you watched or you heard from your husband and you were like, I can't believe this is a Trump pick.

[Katie Miller]

No, they're typically all the really good movies that, like, you wish you could see again. I know we've watched Top Gun more times than I can count, which is very on brand.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, very much.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Makes good choice, Katie. We appreciate.

[Katie Miller]

Yeah, no, I can say you see a lot of that with the upcoming show and Kennedy center honors. Right. You see a lot of his praise towards Sylvester Stallone and Michael Crawford and, you know, good cinema. The president does a really nice job posting that event and I hope people tune it.

[Clay Travis]

Outstanding. Yes. That will be airing soon. We appreciate you. Thanks for making the time. Go check out Katie Miller and everything she did just now with Elon Musk among other guests that she has had that are all pretty fantastic. Thank you, Katie.

[Katie Miller]

Thanks, guys.

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Oh oh.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Do you know why he said go Navy at the end?

[Buck Sexton]

I was assuming because there's a special Navy edition of the 226. Is there some other thing?

[Clay Travis]

Army Navy this weekend is my guess.

[Buck Sexton]

I did not know that.

[Clay Travis]

So I'm guessing there. I'm this may be an example of my lack of sophisticated gun knowledge, but I think he said go Navy because the Army Navy game is this weekend.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

TRAVIS BUCK SEXTON SHOW we thank all of you for hanging out with us. So many people out there reacting. Thanks to Katie Miller who was just on with us talking about everything surrounding the Elon Musk interview and more. And there are tons of tons of you weighing in on a variety of different topics. Producer Greg, if you could let me know on the caller front what the latest is there because we have got so many different, so many different talk talkbacks here. Let me start with RR. I don't think we've hit this one. Enrique in St. Louis, what you got for us?

[Caller]

RR in this country you can be 15 years old and meet a 20 year old and they have sex and adults going to jail. But you could be 14, kill somebody and now you're an adult, you're going to stand to as an adult that you're going to go to jail for life. I mean, it's just incongruent. I mean, when is an adult an adult and when is a kid a kid? I mean, even our laws don't agree.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know exactly the, I think he said 50 year olds, 20 year olds. I mean, as long as it. Again, there are age of consent laws that are different in every state and there is no national age of consent law. Every state decides. Most of them actually say age of consent is 16 years old. Some of them say 17, some of them say 18. So different laws apply different places. But I don't, I grew up in.

[Buck Sexton]

New York where it was 17. And, and people would always like, my friends would just say, like, why not 16 or 18? You know, it felt kind of arbitrary. I don't understand how that became the, the standard. But there are some 17 states mostly at 16, and then there are some 18 states like Florida and Florida is one, for example. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

And, and I think again, the one reason that that's pegged with age of consent is actually marriage because it was not uncommon back in the day for 16, 17, 18 year old people to get married. And so the age of consent oftentimes meant the age that you can consent to marriage. And obviously today it is applied most often for age of consent having to do with, with sexual relations.

Yes, Dry. The caller called back to let us know by the way that he was talking about Army, Navy, go Navy, beat army is the. So you, you were right on the.

[Buck Sexton]

Football thing, which is.

[Clay Travis]

I got the football thing. I didn't know enough about the guns.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Sacramento radio SS is fired up, says Rush Limbaugh is turning over in his grave over this take.

[Buck Sexton]

Let's listen Clay and bug for more government regulation.

[Caller]

Oh my goodness.

[Buck Sexton]

Rush Limbaugh is turning in his grave.

Well, I mean, there's, there's, first of all, this is a new thing. And second of all, there's plenty of existing regulation about age when it comes to a whole range of things. We talked about voting, for example, so it's a, it's a government regulation that you can't vote until you're 18. So should we just get rid of it and you can vote when you're 12? I mean, I, you know, not all government regulation is like over regulation and it's bad. There are some regulations that, that make sense and need to be in place and the protection of children, which is what we are talking about, certainly seems to be a place where we understand you have to draw lines.

[Clay Travis]

Would you say if a 9 year old decided that he or she wanted to drive to downtown, would you say, oh, I can't believe the government's regulating what age kid can drive? I think most people would say, no, there should be an age limit. Now, sometimes kids are ready to drive at 16, other times they're not. 87% of you on Twitter agree with us that an age limit for social media of 16 actually makes sense. Government restricts when you can smoke cigarettes. Government restricts when you can drink beer.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, the car thing isn't really a, that's just an insurance issue. The rental car in the rental car issue, that's just because the truth is young guys are far more likely to get into car accidents and stuff. You get a little bit older, you realize it's not worth going Clay Travis speed, for example, to get there 30 seconds faster when you could be safe on the road. No problems going buck style right at the speed limit.

[Clay Travis]

All right, Miss Daisy. All right, Miss Daisy. Marlene in Sacramento wants to weigh in. Marlene, fire away.

[Katie Miller]

Yeah, hi. I work in the emergency room of a big hospital here in Sacramento. I'm a clinical social worker. The number one reason I see children in the emergency room for psychiatric problems is they're suicidal. And the reason they are is because the parent has taken the phone away as a consequence of a, you know, some issue. But they're addicted to the phones. They live and die by the phones. You take that thing away, they can't function sometimes.

[Clay Travis]

So this is, this is wild. You're saying, you're saying the number one reason you see people in your job for suicidal ideation is that the phone has been taken away.

Oh, no. Marlene got cleared up there, but I mean, if I didn't hear her wrong, she said that at a hospital, an emergency room, the number one thing she sees as kids behaving in a suicidal fashion is their phone's being taken away. If that's true, and I don't have any reason to discount her story, I mean, isn't that a sign of how addicted kids are?

[Buck Sexton]

To the question I wanted to ask her, the question I want to ask her, and so if she comes calls back or she just wants to answer this for, for producer Greg on the phones is, are the kids saying they're suicidal as like they're in. It's very extreme. You don't do this. But you know, they're essentially like an extreme pouting, or do they really seem psychiatrically at risk of suicidal ideation because their phone is no longer in their hands? I mean, is that. Those are different, right? I mean, you know, people say like, like the little kid will say to his parents, if you don't do this, I'm going to hold my breath. Yeah, technically you could hold your breath and you could die. But I mean, no one's going to do that. Right. The kid always ends up breathing. Are these kids in there because they're saying, if you give me back my phone, you know, they're threatening self harm as a way of getting the phone back? Or are they actually so psychiatrically comparable? Do you see what I mean?

[Clay Travis]

It's like, yeah, no. I think also when I hear this threat, it immediately makes me think of what they've tried to do with trans issues. They say, would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son? Right. To try to emotionally blackmail parents into allowing their minor children to have sex. Reassignment surgeries and all these different things that are frankly should not be attributable to minors. I'll give you another example, Buck. I bet our caller who was saying, hey, Rush is rolling over his grave. I think he was also in Sacramento. I, I bet he wouldn't think that kids under the age of 18 should be able to have genital mutilation surgery. That's a government action saying we're trying to protect minors. I would argue one of the most important roles of government in all of society is protecting children from poor choices and, or predators that would otherwise take advantage of them. I might argue with you that is the single most important thing that government does for children.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, it's interesting, I just, I checked it this. I want to make sure you the minimum age to join the Military is actually 17, but you need parental consent. But you can join the military at 17. I think a lot of people just assume it's 18.

[Clay Travis]

You can 18. I wonder if that's a function of graduation because some kids graduate from high school.

[Buck Sexton]

At 17, you could join the Marine Corps. At 17 you can do that. That is a, that is a real thing. So, but your parents have to sign off on it. So that's where that parental guardian consent part comes in. But I just, I think that's fascinating.

[Clay Travis]

I didn't know that. But I mean, don't you agree with me that maybe the most important thing government can do is protect kids? Like, I don't understand the argument of we shouldn't have government regulations for kids I think kids 100 billion percent. If we're going to have government regulations for anybody, it should be for children to make sure that they're protected. I mean, do you think that having fences around pools, for instance, is probably a good idea? I do, by and large. What do you, when we start off in law school, Buck? One of the things you learn about legally, liability is attractive nuisance, you know, things that draw kids, attractions that can lead to death or disfigurement on your property and your responsibility to try and protect that from kids. I mean, one of the foundational elements of governmental responsibility since the United States has existed as a country is laws that are designed to protect, protect minors. So I just, it's a really bad argument to me to call in and say we shouldn't be doing things that we think protect minors. Now if you want to argue that 16 year olds or whatever age it is should have unfettered access to the Internet, I mean, you can make that argument that they're going to have to learn it at some point in time, that you need to not have a security blanket. That's a different argument, I think.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, well there's, there's different, there's, there's, there should be no age restriction on Internet stuff at all because like regulations, I think that's too simplistic and kind of honestly absurd approach. Then there's the, well, you know, 18 for access to, meaning you view it, right? 18 as you said in Tennessee, to be able to view adult pornographic material. 16 to be on social media. Okay, well if maybe some people could say no, no, no. I think by 14 or 15 you could be able to be on Facebook. Maybe there's some restrictions that Facebook has to put in place. That's a discussion fine. But I think it's clear there has to. I mean you should not have 10 year olds just roaming social media sites and seeing what happens. Like that's not a good idea.

[Clay Travis]

You know what's actually scary and this is a part of this too.

There are a lot of minor accounts run by parents that are subscribed to overwhelmingly by men. Dance, dance, pageant moms. Like all this stuff. There's a big article about it, I think in the New York Times. To their credit, it, there is so much toxicity out there. A lot of parents aren't doing the job. I, I just, I, I think Australia is right on this.

[Buck Sexton]

Sick, bad demonic people out there.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, dude, there's a lot of bad.

[Buck Sexton]

And it's one thing, you know, if the demon wants to come into My house. I know how to handle that. But if the demon is trying to get to your kids via the Internet and maybe he is overseas somewhere or whatever, you know, this is where the government protected. The same way you can't protect yourself if North Korea invades. You actually need government to, you know, to have a military response to this. I think the government's protecting kids from these online predators, especially because it's a global problem. Makes a whole lot of. A whole lot of sense to me.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. And look, the reason why I love this response in particular is because most kids respond by saying every other kid is doing it. And if you have a universal law, then parents can say, well, that's not legal. You know, it's. It. It's a little bit like curfew. Right. If every other kid doesn't have a curfew, it gets harder and harder to enforce it for your own self. Right. And look, I. We have restricted it. This is one of the things we got right. We didn't give our kids phones until they were 14. My kids have told us that for years. They were the only kid in school that didn't have a phone. The only kid on the soccer team, football team, baseball team is right.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm going to follow in your footsteps on this one, by the way. I've thought ever since you said that, that you and Laura got this one totally, totally right. And that this is. You need to have oversight certainly on the phones until 14 or 15.

[Clay Travis]

I think it's the right call. And I think increasingly social media, this is my theory. I think it's going to be seen as the cigarettes of our era. Everybody likes to think that they will never have super unheal healthy choices that they were making in their life. You look back at people and you say, oh, my goodness, how in the world did they smoke cigarettes on the airplane? How in the world did they do all these things that we later find out? Why were they, Lansing people who were sick and taking their blood and thinking that that was going to make them. I think that we are going to look at social media and the fact that it was on our phones, in our pockets, and people were on it all the time as one of the most deleterious to public health choices that people voluntarily made in any of our lives. And I think the longer we can keep kids from using it regularly, the better off they're likely to be.

[Buck Sexton]

You know what else is deleterious to public health, clay? Excessive speeding. Mr. Leadfoot. All right, so I'm just saying I.

[Clay Travis]

Get Pulled over all the time. By the way, I got a speeding ticket the other day. I'd gone like five years without a speeding ticket. I got pulled over in Florida. You know what I tried to do, Buck? I tried to shake the hand of the officer. I was like, sorry, you know, stuck my hand out the window. He's like, sir, I can't touch you. I didn't know that was a rule. But so anyway, I got a speeding ticket in middle of nowhere Florida. Coming back from the Florida State Miami game.

[Buck Sexton]

Must not have been a Vols fan. What can I tell you?

[Clay Travis]

I thought he was a fan.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

York City My relationship with New York City listeners has been, I think it's fair to say, tumultuous going back Mamdani issue. Let's see what he has to say.

[Buck Sexton]

BB Christmas music comes around like for like 25 days out of 364 days. What a dumb take too much Christmas. Shut up.

[Clay Travis]

New York City not doing well.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, lucky I don't know that.

[Clay Travis]

His math was great there, but. But he's from New York. I you know, people aren't great at math there. Stephen from Yep, you got it. Stephen from the Twin Cities. Cc.

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[Buck Sexton]

Clay Travis, you really are a heel.

I think he got you on that one.

[Clay Travis]

That's pretty solid voice. I'm not going.

[Buck Sexton]

That guy might be classically trained. You know, I think he's got some, some pipes. That was pretty nice.

[Clay Travis]

More than one. Oh wait. CC1. He doubled up. Let's try CC1.

Is that the one we got? I Don't know. Was Grinch like there to close up the. The final segment? I don't know what happened on the Christmas music or anything else.

[Buck Sexton]

So. So Clay is going to be out tomorrow. Hopefully he's going to show up with shoes because he. He. He did his radio show today. He left his shoes at home. How'd you do that?

[Clay Travis]

I drove. I like to drive in flip flops or barefoot. And I had my shoes by the door. And then when I got here in Birmingham for the event tonight, I realized I only have flip flops. So I've got to go to a shoe store now to go find shoes somewhere so I can wear them so I don't show up shoeless for the speech tonight.

[Buck Sexton]

So, Nick from Raleigh. See what I mean, buddy? Welcome to Buck island, where you don't drive without shoes on. What is this? What are you, barbarians? Shoeless driving madness.

[Clay Travis]

At least I'm not going 20 miles an hour.

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