The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Hour 3 – Katie Miller Dishes on Elon (December 10, 2025)
Overview
In this engaging final hour, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton welcome Katie Miller, former Trump administration staffer, podcast host, and recent interviewer of Elon Musk. The conversation dives into Miller’s firsthand experiences working with Musk, insights from her interview with him, and broader topics such as AI, social media regulation, and the personal costs of public life in the current political climate. Listener calls and spirited banter round out an hour rich in both perspective and personality.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Katie Miller on Elon Musk (02:37 – 08:53)
Who is Elon Musk behind the scenes?
- Miller describes Musk as mission-driven, humble, and unpretentious, contrasting him with stereotypes of billionaires.
- She emphasizes his relentless focus on "fixing humanity" and his lifestyle choices—Uber Eats, sleeping on friends’ couches, owning a modest home.
- She discusses Musk’s business philosophy: prioritizing solutions and impact over wealth displays.
“He is not showy about his wealth. You would not know it if you hung out with him or spent time with him, how much money he is truly worth…”
— Katie Miller (04:38)
- On rumors of a SpaceX IPO and Musk’s possible trillionaire status, Miller notes there are many paths for Musk’s companies to reach massive valuations.
- Highlights Musk’s involvement in multiple fields: rocketry (SpaceX), electric cars (Tesla), artificial intelligence (xAI, Grok).
Elon's unique method for managing and scaling multiple companies
- Miller describes Musk's "context switching": designating entire days to one company at a time (e.g., SpaceX Day, Tesla Day), which permits intense, undistracted focus and efficiency.
“His brain functions in a way that yours or mine simply couldn't... He does this through context switching, where each day of his week is focused on a different company... It’s that focus and drive to do one thing at one time.”
— Katie Miller (07:14)
2. Reflections on AI, Dogecoin, and the Future (08:20 – 10:28)
Musk’s regrets about Dogecoin
- Miller recounts Musk’s admission (in their interview) that involvement with Dogecoin was a costly distraction, pulling attention and drawing criticism to his serious ventures.
“He told you in the interview that in retrospect, he wishes he had not done Doge because it took so much attention and criticism onto the companies that he runs.”
— Clay Travis (08:20)
AI optimism and concerns
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Musk is bullish on AI as a force that will make work optional, but Miller echoes his warnings: AI could also pose risks, especially for children’s development and learning.
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Miller draws an analogy: once calculators were controversial in math classes, now AI could mean children might never need to learn certain skills hands-on.
3. Debate: Social Media Bans for Kids and Parental Responsibility (10:28 – 12:17)
Australia’s ban on under-16s using social media
- Hosts solicit Miller’s opinion; she’s skeptical of sweeping federal bans and instead urges parental monitoring and state-level autonomy.
“I don't like heavy handed government regulation. I don't like these type of one-size-fits-all policies... we should have parents who do great for their children, who monitor their children online because there are abuses no matter whether you’re talking about social media or education.”
— Katie Miller (11:09)
- Clay and Buck discuss the rationale and effectiveness of such regulations, with Buck noting there are analogues in age limits for other risky behaviors and products.
4. The Toll of Public Life & Political Polarization (12:17 – 15:09)
On threats and harassment directed at political figures and their families
- Clay brings up recent attacks on Erica Kirk and parallels to the Miller family’s experiences.
- Miller reflects on the emotional toll of political violence and harassment, as well as her conversations with Erica—grieving spouse and organizational CEO.
“I think political violence only gets worse before it gets better. And I think Charlie is a very sad realization that just for speech, you can be murdered in cold blood on a sunny, beautiful day in our country.”
— Katie Miller (13:06)
Personal anecdotes on protestors
- Buck shares a humorous memory about protestors mistakenly targeting his building due to Stephen Miller’s (Katie's husband) residency.
- Miller points out that visible protestors are less concerning than anonymous online threats.
“It’s the people you don’t know that is scary. The ones who are going to come kill you don’t let you know at first.”
— Katie Miller (15:09)
5. Light Moments: Trump’s Movie Nights and Cultural Tastes (16:35 – 17:55)
- Clay and Buck bring up Trump’s interest in “Rush Hour 4” and classic action films. Miller shares behind-the-scenes stories about Trump’s movie nights at the White House, lauding his “on-brand” film choices (Top Gun, Bloodsport).
- Miller notes Trump’s “great respect for good cinema” vs. modern “woke” fare.
“One of the lesser known facts of President Trump is that he loves movie night… Yes, I've seen a lot of these movies. No, I’m not surprised he weighed in…”
— Katie Miller (16:42)
Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)
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“He is just someone who's truly passionate about saving humanity...”
— Katie Miller (04:38) -
“If you go to any of his companies, they’re all mission-driven. And it was an honor to work for him.”
— Katie Miller (06:26) -
“His brain functions in a way that yours or mine simply couldn't... It’s a fascinating time to have a conversation with him...”
— Katie Miller (07:14) -
“[Elon Musk] told you in the interview that in retrospect, he... wishes he had not done Doge...”
— Clay Travis (08:20) -
“I don't think we should be policing at what age children have [social media]... we should have parents who do great for their children, who monitor their children online...”
— Katie Miller (11:09) -
“I really enjoy the protesters... At least you can see them coming and you know why they’re yelling at you. It’s the people you don’t know that is scary.”
— Katie Miller (15:09) -
“One of the lesser known facts of President Trump is that he loves movie night... He is an incredible movie buff who has great respect for good cinema...”
— Katie Miller (16:42)
Listener Call-In Highlights
(24:45 – 29:42)
- Enrique (St. Louis): Raises questions about the inconsistency of laws regarding the definition of adulthood.
- Marlene (Sacramento): A clinical social worker reports that phone withdrawal is one of the top drivers for ER visits by suicidal children, highlighting social media/addiction implications.
(32:12 – 37:01)
- Clay’s argument: Protecting children is one of the fundamental roles of government; compares social media regulation to historical acceptance of unhealthy behaviors (e.g., cigarettes).
- Buck notes that not all government regulation is overreach; some is for public safety.
Tone and Style
The conversation balances seriousness—about the responsibilities and stress of public roles, the perils and promise of AI, and the challenge of regulating for children’s safety—with humor and candid storytelling. Miller is forthright and thoughtful, Clay and Buck lively and sometimes irreverent, making for a compelling, relatable listen.
For Further Listening
Clay directs listeners to check out Katie Miller’s full interview with Elon Musk on her podcast for more in-depth discussion.
Summary
This episode offers a revealing portrait of Elon Musk through the eyes of a former senior advisor and current collaborator; it also tackles some of the most pressing questions of the moment—AI’s societal impact, the challenge of digital parenting, and the escalating vitriol in American politics—with both gravity and wit. Katie Miller’s perspective deepens the discussion, giving listeners insight into not just the headlines but the character, values, and everyday realities of the figures shaping them.