Hour 3 - Media is Losing Their Toys

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 - Media is Losing Their Toys
Release Date: July 21, 2025

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into pressing political and media-related topics. From the controversial actions of Hunter Biden to the financial struggles of prominent media figures and organizations, the duo offers sharp commentary infused with their characteristic humor and insight.

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Hunter Biden's Controversial Remarks and Potential Political Ambitions

The episode opens with a reflection on the one-year anniversary of President Joe Biden's announcement to drop out of the race. The hosts shift focus to Hunter Biden, who has recently made headlines by publicly criticizing notable Democrats and even entities like George Clooney and James Carville.

• Hunter Biden's Criticisms:
  Hunter Biden expressed strong disapproval of George Clooney and James Carville, questioning Clooney's authenticity and Carville's political efficacy.

  "I agree with Quentin Tarantino. George Clooney is not an actor. He is a. I don't know what he is. He, he, he's a brand."
  — Hunter Biden [02:15]

• Speculations on Political Ambitions:
  Clay Travis theorizes that Hunter Biden might be testing the waters for a potential political run, despite skepticism from Buck Sexton.

  "I think Hunter is testing the ground to potentially run for political office."
  — Clay Travis [03:40]

• Buck's Skepticism:
  Buck Sexton expresses doubt about Hunter's capabilities, labeling him as a potential "spoiled brat" seeking attention rather than making strategic moves.

  "I think this is just a former drug addict and spoiled brat throwing a tantrum on podcasts that'll have him for attention."
  — Buck Sexton [06:42]

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Cancellation of Stephen Colbert's Show: A Financial and Political Analysis

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the unexpected cancellation of Stephen Colbert's show, despite its high ratings.

• Financial Implications:
  The hosts highlight the astronomical costs associated with the show, citing reports of over $100 million in production expenses and losses upwards of $40 million annually.

  "The Colbert report costs over $100 million to air. $100 million for a TV show. My jaw dropped when I saw that."
  — Clay Travis [09:00]

• Democratic Backlash and Claims of Censorship:
  Senator Chris Murphy is criticized for attributing the cancellation to political censorship, a claim Travis and Sexton vehemently dispute.

  "We're on the precipice of entering a censorship state in which Donald Trump is using the powers of the federal government in order to erase criticism from the airwaves."
  — Senator Chris Murphy [10:05]

  Buck Sexton counters Murphy's assertions by labeling them as "delusional" and points out Stephen Colbert's lack of willingness to make personal financial sacrifices for the show's sustainability.

  "It's absurd that they were doing this running $40 million a year in the red."
  — Buck Sexton [12:17]

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WNBA's Financial Struggles and Demands for Higher Compensation

The discussion transitions to the WNBA's financial woes, drawing parallels with the Colbert show's issues.

• Financial Deficit:
  The Women’s National Basketball Association (WNBA) is projected to lose $40 million this year. The hosts explain that if players were to be paid what they currently demand, each would owe the league approximately $250,000.

  "If WNBA players were paid what they make, they would actually owe all of the owners around $250,000 each."
  — Clay Travis [28:31]

• Demands and Fan Base Alienation:
  The WNBA players' demands for higher pay are criticized as being disconnected from the league's financial reality, potentially alienating the fan base and jeopardizing the league's future.

  "There is a belief in sort of fantasy economics that you should be paid vast sums of money even though you're making no money."
  — Clay Travis [28:31]

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Media Landscape and the Decline of Traditional Formats

Travis and Sexton explore the broader implications of these incidents on the media landscape, particularly focusing on the decline of late-night television and traditional media's influence.

• Collapse of Late-Night TV:
  The hosts argue that late-night shows, once profitable and influential, are collapsing due to high costs, changing audience habits, and political entanglements.

  "I can't believe that the cost structure for ABC and NBC shows are that much different. Who benefited from going woke?"
  — Clay Travis [13:59]

• Shifting Trust and Authenticity:
  Authenticity is highlighted as a crucial factor in rebuilding trust with audiences, contrasting the perceived inauthenticity of traditional media personalities and formats.

  "My theory here is authenticity. Not expectation that you're going to agree with everybody."
  — Clay Travis [32:26]

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Economic Literacy and Democratic Policies

A recurring theme is the perceived lack of economic understanding within Democratic policies and leadership, which the hosts believe hampers effective governance and economic growth.

• Critique of Democratic Economic Policies:
  Travis criticizes Democratic leaders for lacking basic economic knowledge, using examples like misconceptions about tax abatements and credits.

  "It's the WNBA is the most left wing, I think it's fair to say, sports organization in America right now... it's a belief in sort of fantasy economics."
  — Clay Travis [28:31]

• Impact on Job Creation and Business Growth:
  The hosts connect this economic illiteracy to broader issues such as deteriorating job situations in blue states and misguided business incentives.

  "The job situation in many of these blue cities and blue states is deteriorating."
  — Clay Travis [28:31]

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Audience Interaction and Talkbacks

Towards the end of the episode, Travis and Sexton engage with listener feedback, addressing comments about Hunter Biden and aircraft carrier landings, showcasing their interactive approach to the show.

• Listener Comments on Hunter Biden:
  A listener from Tampa Bay remarks on Hunter Biden's entitlement, to which the hosts respond with their trademark skepticism about his intentions.

  "You're talking about Hunter? Well, considering he most likely was part of who was running the White House, he probably feels that he's entitled to it."
  — Listener Robin [41:53]

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Conclusion

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show offers a critical examination of current political dynamics and media trends, emphasizing the decline of traditional media's influence and questioning the economic policies and motivations of key Democratic figures. Through incisive analysis and spirited debate, Travis and Sexton provide listeners with a thought-provoking perspective on the evolving landscape of American politics and media.

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Notable Quotes

1. Hunter Biden on George Clooney:

   "George Clooney is not an actor. He is a. I don't know what he is. He, he, he's a brand."
   — Hunter Biden [02:15]

2. Clay on Ambien Usage:

   "They're going to replace their judgment for his."
   — Clay Travis [05:27]

3. Buck on Democratic Reaction to Colbert's Cancellation:

   "It's absurd that they were doing this running $40 million a year in the red."
   — Buck Sexton [12:17]

4. Clay on WNBA's Financial Demands:

   "There is a belief in sort of fantasy economics that you should be paid vast sums of money even though you're making no money."
   — Clay Travis [28:31]

5. Buck on Censorship Claims:

   "He's greedy and he's a jerk. And he wasn't worth the money they were paying him. It’s absurd that they were doing this running $40 million a year in the red."
   — Buck Sexton [12:17]

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This summary aims to encapsulate the key discussions and viewpoints presented in the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened while preserving the essence and notable insights shared by Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

Transcript

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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show, Monday edition of the program. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Lots of different stories we have been talking about. It is the one year anniversary of Joe Biden announcing that he was going to be dropping out of the race. And for some reason, Hunter Biden has decided to step himself into the midst of of all of these different stories. By the way, one bit of bad news that is starting to circulate. For those of you who grew up or as adults watched the Cosby Show. Malcolm Jamal Warner, that is Theo from the Cosby show, dead, according to tmz of a potential, they're saying drowning. But for those of you out there who grew up in the 1980s or raised kids in the 1980s, Cosby show, very popular show. And Theo on the Cosby show, one of the most popular characters on that show, 54 years old in that, in that outcome, awful situation in general. Okay. I wanted to play a couple of these, Buck. And then we're going to dive into the Colbert Story, which I think is really worthy of discussing in many ways. Um, but we talked about a lot of different aspects of the decision by Joe Biden to drop out. Here is Hunter Biden going off on George Clooney, James Carville and other Democrats for helping to oust his dad. Cut 30. Listen to this. Lots of expletives bleeped. I hope we caught them all.

[Hunter Biden]

Here it is him and everybody around him. Don't have to be nice. Number one, I agree with Quentin Tarantino. George Clooney is not a actor. He is a. I don't know what he is. He, he, he's a brand. And by the way, and God bless him, you know what, he supposedly treats his friends really well and he's great friends with Barack Obama.

[Clay Travis]

You.

[Hunter Biden]

What do you have to do with anything? Why do I have to listen to you? What right do you have to step on a man who's given 52 years of his life to the service of this country and decide that You, George Clooney, are going to take out basically a full page ad in the New York Times to me and James Carville, who hasn't run a race in 40 years, and David Axel, who had one success in his political life, and that was Barack Obama, and that was because of Barack Obama, not because of David Axelrod and David Plouff and all of these guys. They're all going to insert their judgment over a man who has figured out, unlike anybody else, how to get elected to the United States Senate over seven times, how to pass more legislation than any president in history, how to have a better midterm election than anybody in history, and how to garner more votes than any president that has ever won. And they're going to replace their judgment for his.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, why is Hunter suddenly doing all of this? Media buck? I'll give you my theory. You tell me if you sign on or if. This is crazy. I think Hunter is testing the ground to potentially run for political office.

[Buck Sexton]

I. I love it when you do. When you go, now, now I get to say, you're out of your mind. That's the good.

[Clay Travis]

I just. Why else?

[Buck Sexton]

Your Pennsylvania monument idea, Very smart, very good idea. I have to say.

[Clay Travis]

This is.

[Buck Sexton]

This is Clay throwing one into the end zone, and now they're running it back for a pick six, my friend. This is. This is just crazy talk.

[Clay Travis]

I don't understand why he would be suddenly breaking all of his political silence. Now. You can say, okay, well, he's just going to try to defend his dad because he thinks his dad has been attacked too much and nobody else is publicly doing it. Okay, but if you were going to do that, do you do it in these podcasts where there's your dog? I think Hunter sees himself. This is not what I am signing on to. I think Hunter actually believes that he's super smart, that he's strategically brilliant, and that. I think Hunter in some way has convinced himself that his dad is both of those things, too, and that he is the Biden legacy that can defend his dad going forward. And so this is. I'm trying to analyze why in the world this would happen. Let me also play this for you. We Talked about why June 27 was so bad, and I came on and said, and somebody can go pull it on the team. I. I'm pretty sure I said the House of Cards story here would be that usually he gets a drug shot, right? That would be an upper. And instead of giving him the upper, they gave him the downer instead. And so what allowed him to Go out at the State of the Union. I think beyond a shadow of a doubt they would shoot him up with stuff. And is suddenly they did the opposite. Hunter Biden came out and basically said this. He said they had him on Ambien, that's why he was performing so poorly at the debate. Listen to this.

[Hunter Biden]

I know exactly what happened in that debate. He flew around the world. Basically the mileage that he could have flown around the world three times.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Hunter Biden]

He's 81 years old, he's tired as give him Ambien to be able to sleep. He gets up on the stage and he looks like he's a deer in the headlights.

[Clay Travis]

So I think that all of this is very interesting. My theory again, House of Card style, for those of you who remember the television show is it would have been an episode where they give him a shot and instead of the upper it's the downer and he goes out and his political career is over to say hey, he was taking Ambien cuz he wasn't have trouble having trouble sleeping. They were trying to get his energy back up. This is why I've never taken an Ambien by the way. Cause feels like every time I get on an airplane to go anywhere I have to wake up and work the next day and. And I'm always afraid that the Ambien will linger. I don't know how many people take Ambien. I've never taken it, but that I won't have the energy I need to be able to do my job. But this is now taking over the news cycle. Hunter Biden has decided to parachute in cannonball style right into otherwise quiet season of summer vacation time. And now this is going to be leading everything, even CNN and msnbc. I think.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't know just Hunter Biden. I just, I can't bring myself to think that this is going to be anything that anyone really goes with or cares about very much. The guy's a mess and the guy was always a giant drag on his father's political fortunes and his dad was a jerk and a fraud. So I think that he's a baby and he's acting out. I don't see this as any kind of strategic move. I think this is just a former drug addict and spoiled brat throwing a tantrum on podcasts that'll have him for attention. I don't, I don't think there is a higher move by the way, if you are right and he does end up running for office. I don't know. I don't know what's happened in the world. But that would be, that would be the most outrageous call anyone's ever made.

[Clay Travis]

So I'm not saying, I'm not saying that he would be a good candidate. I actually would like for him to run.

[Buck Sexton]

I would just. If he just ran, you get credit. He could, he could get smoked and get 1% of the vote. And I would still say your call here is astonishing because, Clay, the first 50 people that I would walk past on the street here in Miami are better suited to any political office than Hunter Biden is the first random 50 people that I see. Without exception, I could just pick the first 50 people I walk past.

[Clay Travis]

I think that he likely has bought into the idea again, that he is the smartest man Joe Biden's ever known, that he has unique political talents, gifts. I'm not saying that it's rational, reasonable, or in any way way reflected in reality. I just think this is the kind of thing that ultimately ends up. Someone decides to run. I hope he does. All right, second part here. We mentioned this. Cause the news was breaking basically when we were on the air, if I remember correctly, that we had on Friday, I think news came out, or I guess it was Thursday night, whatever it was, that Colbert was being canceled. And his final guess before the cancellation announcement or was Adam Schiff, which was perfect. I'm surprised at the degree to which Democrats have lined up to argue that this is unacceptable. And I want to hit you with a couple of stats because I, I, I was reading a lot about this over the weekend. First of all, the Colbert report costs over $100 million to air. $100 million for a TV show. My jaw dropped when I saw that. Now there's different reports that Colbert made either 15 or 20 million dollars and the show was losing 40 million dollars. So it was a very unsuccessful business enterprise. Democrats have uniformly lined up to say, hey, this is CBS trying to curry favor with Trump. I just look at it and say, I can't imagine being on a show that loses $40 million a year. And when the show gets canceled, the argument being, hey, this is all political. This is an example of how totalitarianism, how fascism spreads. We've got some audio of this I want to play, but I want us to be able to react because we know a little bit of something about doing media. This is Senator Chris Murphy saying we're on the precipice of entering a censorship state. Listen to cut 32.

[Buck Sexton]

I want to tell you why the cancellation of Stephen Colbert's show matters so much. We are on the precipice of entering a censorship state in which Donald Trump is using the powers of the federal government in order to erase criticism from the airwaves. What's happening at CBS right now is bone chilling. Stephen Colbert didn't get thrown off the air because he wasn't doing well. He was the highest rated show on TV in late night. He was canceled, very likely because Paramount and its owners are trying to get rich off of this merger. And Donald Trump has made it clear to them and everybody else in the media space that if you want any favors from me, then you have to silence my critics on your platforms. It's delusional. His whole analysis is delusional. Stephen Colbert destroyed not just the Tonight show or the Late Show. Which one is it? The Late Show. Tonight Show.

[Clay Travis]

Late Show. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Late show destroyed the Late show, but he destroyed late night comedy, I think, because he created a dynamic where the other guys all also followed in with their anti Trump madness and just brought the whole thing down. It's kind of what happened at cnn, similar to what happened over at CNN where the hosts that were raiding in 2016 were the hosts who were anti Trump 24 7. Believe it or not, Don Lemon was the top rated CNN host for a while in the demo. Top rated across the entire channel. Why every night was just, oh, my gosh, Donald Trump. Donald Trump is so evil. And that was working for a little bit, but then the rest of the channel followed suit and they destroyed the whole thing. Clay, the reason they're all going in to defend Colbert, and it's pretty indefensible considering how expensive. First, why wouldn't Colbert say, you know what? I'm not worth $15 million a year or $20 million a year, whatever it is. We're going to need to tighten our belts here, and I'm going to take a smaller salary because I want this to endure and I want my staff to have jobs and I'm willing to take a pay cut, you know, still make five or ten million dollars a year so that we can be more sustainable going forward. No, he's greedy. He's greedy and he's a jerk. And he wasn't worth the money they were paying him. It's absurd that they were doing this running $40 million a year in the red.

[Clay Travis]

Crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

That money is coming from somewhere else, right? So something else in that corporation that's making money has to subsidize. Kind of like the WNBA has to. Has to be subsidized by that. And you sit here and Clay, the real problem they have with Colbert's cancellation, this stuff where they're pretending it's Trump. I mean it's just childish. It's babyish. They're losing some of their favorite toys though, the Democrats, whether it's npr, it's, you know, the dominance of the, of the late programs with anti Trump Democrat voices. They're losing some of the built in advantages that they have. They're losing some of the legacy media dominance that they've enjoyed and it makes them very nervous because without cheating they can't win.

[Clay Travis]

I also think it's a cautionary tale and I would love, I mean, if you can think of one, let me know. I think the question of can you name somebody out there that has gone woke that has ultimately ended up benefiting, you know, Bud Light has not. The NBA has not. The WNBA seems to think that the woke universe still exists. Colbert certainly didn't. Everybody who followed Colbert did not. I think that what you will soon see is ABC will probably move on. NBC will move on. I don't know how long it's going to take for late night television basically to collapse everywhere. But if the highest rated show is losing $40 million a year, I can't believe that the cost structure for ABC and NBC shows are that much different. Who benefited from going woke? Even Ben and Jerry's ice Cream, which has been a left wing, basically communist ice cream, interestingly from the founding.

[Buck Sexton]

Who is the over the hill football player who took the knee? He benefited.

[Clay Travis]

Colin Kaepernick. Yeah, for a little while, but then even that blew up on him. Yeah, he benefited from that era because he didn't. His era would have been over beforehand. I just, I don't know who the winners are coming out of this. And I think what you're seeing is actually just the return to sanity and I think it ties in. Let's talk about that WNBA situation because I think the women in the WNBA showing up and pay us what you owe us. Their league lost $40 million last year. Not dissimilar to Stephen Colbert. When your business is losing money and you are arguing that you are owed way more money, I do not think that the average American out there thinks that you deserve to be paid. In fact, the numbers are if the WNBA had to pay to re sign up for what they're actually losing, every player would owe the league $250,000. Instead of being paid to play, they would actually owe $250,000 each, which is amazing. Pay us. Okay. The owners could wear the same T shirts and be like, we want a $250,000 refund from you guys for allowing you to play. We'll talk about that and a bit bit more. But I want to tell you, price picks, whatever you love. Major League Baseball underway Not very long. We got the NFL training camp starting to open up all over the country. Soon the college teams are going to be officially underway. Also, you can get hooked up now. Have some fun. Play all over the country. Prizepix.com Code Clay when you play $5, you get back $50. Not very often we have an ad where we say, hey, you get 50 bucks when you go play $5, you're gonna like this. You just pick more or less for every athlete out there. If you like baseball, if you like basketball, football, golf. What an incredible win by Scotty Scheffler over the weekend. How awesome was seeing his kid crawling on the on the green there? Prizepix.com Code Clay get hooked up today. That's prizepix.com Code clay $50 when you play $5, you can play all over the country. Trust me. Go check it out. Prizepix.com code clay news you can count.

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[Buck Sexton]

Edu all right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Something pretty cool over the weekend that just popped up on my radar. I didn't show this out. An account called Turbine Traveler which is about 25,000 followers. He shared a video from 1963 of Lt. James Flatley making history by landing a KC130F Hercules, the largest and heaviest aircraft ever to perform unarrested full stop landings and unassisted takeoffs on the USS Forrestal. So Lieutenant James Flatley, test pilot, naval ace, and now Admiral Flatley. Just want to tip my hat to him, Clay. He is my grandfather in law, my wife's grandfather and I hope he might be listening and we'll send him this but pretty cool. People didn't realize this. There's video [e-mail] of then lieutenant, now Admiral Flatley landing on a, on the USS forestall with a C130 Hercules, the first and only aviator to ever accomplish that. Pretty cool. The video.

[Clay Travis]

I saw the video. The video is really, really cool. If you want to, to check that out, it's [e-mail] and you're gonna have to, I mean all the men you have to learn how to fly, I mean all the men in your carry side of the family are super badass naval and, and fighter pilots and everything else. And meanwhile, I mean you're in the plane, no idea what's going on.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't, I don't even like when I'm on commercial and the, the seats touching my knees in front of me. You know what I mean? I'm not really, I'm not really made for like real, real daring do up in the sky. That's not really my thing. So I'm very appreciative of those who, who do it though.

[Clay Travis]

No doubt. We come, we come back, we'll take some of your talk backs. We'll also have some fun with the WNBA players saying pay us what you owe us and what they would actually be owed. A lot of you weighing in on Colbert as well. All that headed your direction.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us, encourage you go subscribe to the YouTube channel. It's cool. Every time I ask you to do it, a lot of people go, I just want to get us over a hundred thousand subscribers, which is a good number to kind of be on path towards. And you can get clips right now from the show, not the full show yet, but you can see me, you can see Buck, and you can see a variety of different arguments and cases being made on a ton of different topics. And you can search out my name, Clay Travis, you can search out buck Sexton on YouTube, which is now the number one video watching app and basically location. Over 50% of people now put YouTube on their big screen televisions and just watch shows there. It's really kind of extraordinary. So we want you signed up as we get ready to in the near future, we hope have the full video version of the show. You'll be able to watch it as well as listen to it at your heart's content and certainly if you're younger kids, Grandkids, they're on YouTube and they're on TikTok and that is where they get the vast majority of their news and the vast majority of their content. And so we want to be everywhere they are. Okay, Buck. I saw this and saw the connection between the two, and I think it actually ties in with the left's economic illiteracy. We talked about colbert guys losing $40 million a year on his show. Show costs over a hundred million dollars a year. Um, he is being paid either 15 or 20 million dollars a year. And they announced that they're gonna cancel it. And immediately Democrats are up in arms. Over the weekend, similar situation happens. WNBA All Star game is going on in Indianapolis. The girls in the WNBA that play on the teams, the women walk out in pay us what you owe us T shirts. The wnba, according to the New York Post, is on track to lose $40 million this year. That means if WNBA players were paid what they make, they would actually owe all of the owners around $250,000 each. That is, instead of being paid, they would actually need to pay the owners of the WNBA franchises $250,000 each. To me, the connection here is the WNBA is the most left wing, I think it's fair to say, sports organization in America right now. That is unfortunate because they're alienating a ton of the fan base that they suddenly have. But much like with Stephen Colbert, there is a belief in sort of fantasy economics that you should be paid vast sums of money even though you're making no money. And I think it ties in with the larger issues that Democrats have in general, because there used to be a lot of Democrats in positions of power that had some knowledge of basic economics, had worked largely in business, understood how capitalism works. Now you have a lot of AOCs, a lot of people out there who say, oh, when the news comes out that Amazon wants to locate a huge headquarters, I believe it was in Queens, you'll probably remember this better than I did. Pacific location, they say, oh, we can't be giving all of these dollars away. And they don't even understand how tax abatements and tax credits work. They think that actual dollars of cash and taxpayer dollars are being given. And as a result, the job situation in many of these blue cities and blue states is deteriorating. You sent me over the weekend in an out burger. They're president is moving to where I live in Franklin, Tennessee. Now. My wife says all the time, hey, don't tell people how nice Franklin is getting too full, so you should never move here. It is awful.

[Buck Sexton]

I have a friend out there who says that there are 15,000 apartment and housing units being built in the next five years in Franklin already. Something like.

[Clay Travis]

Something like, really, we don't want you to come. It's awful. I don't know how anybody could ever have a good time here. I don't know how you could raise a family. We, you know, we're struggling as best we can to make do with what we have here in Franklin, Tennessee. But I did think it was interesting she was specifically asked in that interview, why are you leaving California? She said, it just became too difficult. Now they still have offices in California, but they're opening up what's being called an east coast headquarters in Franklin, Tennessee, which is about 20 miles south of Nashville, for those of you who don't know the geography. And I do think this is starting to happen everywhere. And what connects all these stories is a inability to understand basic business, how paychecks work, how people make money for the labor they produce. And I do think that it is making it incredibly difficult for Democrats to dig themselves out of the hole. Do you see that connection with Colbert and the wnba? It's like this fantastical world where you don't have to have any economic understanding of how your boss makes money and you just expect that money truly grows on trees.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, yeah. And also, the Democrats took over a lot of corporations that were built over a very long time by people who were not communists. And whether it was infiltration through HR first and then the C suite later, when DEI concerns were directing a lot of hiring, even at the most senior levels, you have people who. It's a bit like the California situation where Gavin Newsom takes over a beautiful state that's incredibly rich, with a ton of people and says, I'm not screwing it up. Look at how rich and beautiful this place is. Well, yeah, but everything you're doing is making it worse. It's true of companies and media entities as well. A lot of these places, you know, 60 minutes people are saying is in trouble. There are a lot of these old media institutions that are. I don't even know who owns these things anymore. Right. There's all these mergers and they're moving around and. But what you find out is that news used to be. They used to go for news, Clay, as I understand that a place like abc, they were just hoping it was revenue neutral. So they've always been something of a corporate hobby horse in some of these places. But there's a. That's for the news only side of things. Late night shows used to be wildly profitable. Late night shows should be making. It should be cash cows and what you're finding is that when people have more options and more choice, and I also think even more familiarity with who these individuals are on these shows, what you find is that they can't justify these enormous salaries and these tremendous corporate expenditures. And the world where the Democrats can count on having total airway dominance handed to them like, like built in that world is evaporating very quickly, and that's a good thing. Finally now with the break, it actually was particularly bad for a while with the Internet because they had locked down the major Internet. Major Internet, social media sites and you know, Netflix in these places are still pretty big problems. But Clay, we're seeing a change in the ability of even just Republican or conservative, it's just sane voices to break through and they can't get away with the same kind of nonsense.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I love. So if you, I think I said this on the show last week. If you had told me when I was 14 years old or 13 years old, hey, you get to pick any media job in the world to have, I probably would have said, hey, sports center anchor or late night TV host, because I thought, hey, those are two of the best jobs that are out there. Sports center anchor basically doesn't exist now because the highlights of sports are widely distributed. Nobody sits and watches it anyway.

[Buck Sexton]

Was Keith Olbermann a good sports center anchor? I never watched it.

[Clay Travis]

He was, yeah, he and he and Dan Patrick. Back in the day, I would wake up buck, I would eat my cereal while I was getting ready to go off to school and I would have on SportsCenter, because back in the day you might not know who won the late night games. And I would sit there and I would eat my cereal and I would just think, man, these guys are so funny. They're having such a good time. This is like the best job that's ever existed. Late night, I again, I understand every kid, including my own. Now the summers are completely packed. You have 168 different camps that your kids go to for a variety of sports or dance or whatever they're into. I just sat at home and I had this huge amount of time, didn't have a license yet and watched and read and I was just kind of on my own. And late night television, you still love it. But to me, what's interesting is when you think about what late night television show happened and why the collapse in business occurred. Comedy specials are now everywhere. I remember back in the day we used to pass around like Eddie Murphy Raw or Eddie Murphy, you know, like the, the VHS cassette Tapes of the relatively few people who got hbo, HBO specials. And you would watch them, but they weren't very common. And some people, some of you probably had cassette discs of, of old school, maybe CDs of old school comedy specials. It was not easy to get a comedy special. Now they're everywhere. You get on Netflix and there's trending comedy specials and you can watch any number of comics on any given night. And then the podcast long form interview has a lot of celebrities. Instead of sitting for five minute sort of lame interviews to promote their movies, they now do longer form interviews if they're reasonably intelligent people. There just is no late night TV audience. I think it could have existed probably for another decade if they hadn't gone political. But the entire concept of that show has been exploded and it now has gone into a, you know, a bunch of different pieces. And I do think that you're seeing a dynamic reordering of who people trust. And I think all that matters. My theory here is authenticity. Not expectation that you're going to agree with everybody. Not expectation that you're going to have the exact same opinion on every issue, but just, hey, are they telling me something that is true? And I think the reason radio continues to have a lot of cogency is you can't fake it, cannot fake three hours a day of radio. For better or worse, we are what you think we would be. And that can be good or bad. But I think the late shows, they faked it a long time and as a result going super woke and getting blown up I, I think is fascinating. I think WNBA's got major issues with not understanding basic economics. Take it from someone with a law degree. You want to have a will or trust. If you're out there right now and you got younger kids or you got grandkids and you are already trying to deal with their disagreements. Thinking about how Thanksgiving is going to be set up in a few months. Not that far away now. And you're worried about what might happen when you're gone with maybe your house, maybe your car, maybe it's just a couple bank accounts you got. And you know, maybe it's things that really matter to you that are family prized possessions that are inside of the house. You know, your kids are going to fight over it. Why not go ahead and solve it once and for all and do a will and a trust. Buck and I both have wills and trusts done. We hope to be living for a very long time, but if we're not, we know where everything is going to go. It's super easy to do all you have to do. Very affordable. Go to trustandwill.com you don't need to hire a lawyer, just go to the website trustandwill.com clay. They'll make it simple, affordable and the result will give you peace of mind. And right now you'll get 20% off when you use my name Clay as the code. That is trustandwill.com clay experts on personalized trust and wills that will protect your legacy. Do it today. You'll be glad that you did. Trust in will comm slash clay. That's trustinwill.com clay making America great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

Closing up shop today On Clay and Buck. Just a programming note, I'm going to be out Thursday. Friday, Clay will be rocking solo with you, so that'll be a lot of fun. I'm actually going to be up in New York City for my dad's birthday, which will be a nice time with the family. Looking forward to it. And also want to talk to all of you now while we can. We got a few minutes here. Let's see talk backs. Let's get some talk backs. We have J.J. robin, who listens on Newsradio WFLA in Tampa. Play it.

[Clay Travis]

Hey, guys, this is Robin from the Tampa Bay area.

[Christina Quinn]

You're talking about Hunter? Well, considering he most likely was part of who was running the White House, he probably feels that he's entitled to it. Typical Biden. Great job, guys. We love you.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, thank you. And I. Look, Clay, I know you don't think it's a high probability that Hunter's gonna win anything, but would Hunter actually run for something? It's tough to. You can never overestimate a true megalomaniac's ability or a true egomaniac. I mean, egomaniac's ability to live in a delusion. So who knows?

[Clay Travis]

Well, I think especially if you add in the drug and alcohol abuse that likely destroyed many parts of his brain that are engaged in sound and rational thinking. Because this interview that he did is so outrageous and outlandish that I can't help but think in his demented worldview, he sees himself as the hero that could rescue his family. I'm not saying I sign on to it. I think it's crazy. But that's the kind of thought that leads someone to learn to decide to run for. For office. Is it Melbourne, Florida? That's how it's pronounced, right? Melbourne.

[Buck Sexton]

Melbourne, I think, is what people say. Melbourne. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

I'm crossed over because I actually went there in Australia, and they pronounce it Melbourne, which I don't understand, but. KK Dan wants to ask you a question. I don't know the answer to this. Good question.

[Buck Sexton]

How did Flatley get that airplane back off the carrier? Just curious. I do not know how Lieutenant Flatley carries Grandpa. I don't know.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, he take off. I mean, to get. I mean, that's. Or did they just have to go into. Into harbor and, like. That's a great question. But now you got a question to follow up with. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

How you could land that thing. I mean, just keep in mind, sometimes it's tricky to land an incredibly nimble, you know, like, F.16 or F14 Tomcat or an F16 or an F18. You know, air, Air care. Aircraft carrier landings, I've obviously never done one. But from the various members of my in laws who have done this, it's not an easy thing. When you've got a small nimble plane, the biggest plane in the world at the time would be quite a challenge and your margin for error very small.

[Clay Travis]

Haven't we lost like just three airplanes on aircraft carriers that accidentally went off and sunk?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh yeah.

[Clay Travis]

I mean in recent history here, just.

[Buck Sexton]

Recently, I mean we, people, people lose their lives because of aircraft, particularly on landing is really tough. So yeah.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

That's super. Very nice. We're four years in. Things have gone very well since certainly we feel privileged every single day to get to talk to all of you. By the way, talkbacks, we're gonna start. I was talking with producer Ali about this because I love the growth that we're seeing on YouTube and I think this is going to become a really powerful channel for this show to continue to get the message out. Give us talkbacks. We'll answer some of those occasionally on YouTube and you will get a YouTube specific version of the show. Can be funny, right? We don't need necessarily deep dives, but whatever you guys want to ask in the talkbacks, we'll include those, do some responses and put them up for YouTube subscribers in particular. Again, search us out. Go subscribe YouTube.com you can type in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton. The show will pop up. We're at nearly 85,000 subscribers. I want us going over 100 as rapidly as we can get there. It's a great distribution mechanism. Audience growing rapidly there as well. We love all of you. But back tomorrow, fighting for truth, justice in the American way. If Superman won't do it, I guess the two of us will have to see y' all then. Everyone's loving family, freedom from T Mobile. We'll pay off four phones up to $3200 and give you four free phones, all on America's largest 5G network. Visit your local T Mobile location or learn more@t mobile.com familyfreedom up to $800 per line. Via virtual prepaid card typically takes 15 days. Free phones via 24 monthly bill credits with finance agreement eg Apple iPhone16128 gigabyte 82999 eligible trade in eg iPhone11 Pro for well qualified credits end and b due if you pay off early or cancel contact T Mobile.

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