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What if the races were different? Right? What if it was? If it was a young black woman who was stabbed to death by a white guy, would this be the biggest story in the country and every news outlet out there? Yes. Yes, it would. And so you say, well, why is that happening? You change the races and you change the national media's interest in the story. This is something you want to talk about, a national conversation. This is a national conversation that should be had. Why does that. Why do we all know that that is the case? Why do we know that the New York Times is not covering this or the Ukrainian refugee being stabbed to death at all? We know they're doing it for ideological reasons. We know they're doing it because of the narrative and because of their desire to suppress. And you can say, well, is this important? Right? That's another layer of this. One is understanding why the media covers us the way that they do. Right. Any violence against a black person by a non black, particularly by a white person, is national news by its very nature. According to the New York Times, Washington Post, you'll see this over and over again. Or is certainly much more likely to be national news than when it is the reverse. This is just observable, observable fact by everybody. Well, why is that? Isn't it just a human being who stabbed to death in a heinous way? We should treat the action as worthy of public notice. The same irrespective of what the victim's race would be. Why is one more important to the media than another? Or at least the Democrat media? You ask that question and then the other part of it is, so here we have here two cases of women stabbed to death, white women stabbed to death by black men in recent. In you know, this just happened over the weekend. The other one happened a few weeks ago in the most grisly and horrific fashion. And there's just an absolute lack of interest in this. And then we compare from a lot of the media, and then we compare it to the Jussie Smollett case, we compare it to George Floyd, we compare it to Mike Brown, blm, hands up all the. Or Trayvon Martin, where the president at the time, Barack Obama, said, if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon. I mean, that was. That's the level of attention those stories got. Why. Why Trayvon Martin shouldn't have jumped on a guy and pounded his head into the pavement because they had some kind of a disagreement. The guy had a gun. It wasn't a good idea. Why did the president have to weigh in on that one? Because it became a story, transformed into a story of white racism in the Trayvon Martin case, that was remarkable. Right? A Latino guy gets into a fight with a black guy and it's about white racism. I mean, this is what they do. This is what the media does. But the other part of it is we want this to stop. And we want it to stop because when we. Or how we want it to stop is when you see these cases and you see these people that have been through the system, they are a clear and present danger to the society that they are in. And they need a lengthy period of incarceration and rehabilitation would be nice. But more importantly, they can't stab any ladies to death walking their dogs or taking the subway if they're in a prison cell. And we've tried the other way. We didn't want to, but the country has been put through this. We have seen the Democrat Soros prosecutor way, which is, you know, in the interest of social justice, in the interest of racial justice, in the interest of, you know, righting historical wrongs or however they want to frame this, we're going to go soft on people who have no sense of respect for the law, who have no accountability, and who are a danger to those around them. And enough is enough. And this brings me, of course, to the Daniel Penney case in New York City. On the subway, authorities wanted to lock him up because there was a maniac. In this case, the maniac was a black guy, and the guy who stepped in was a white guy. There was a maniac who had been arrested, who had assaulted people who over and over and over again. And someone, Daniel Penny, stepped up and was like, we're. I can't allow this threat against these women in this way. And the jury had defined in his favor, not the system. The system wanted to destroy his life. The jury had defined in his favor because there were enough people on that jury that are sick of the system failing, saying it is about justice. They are sick of the injustice that this system perpetuates over and over again, allowing the constant victimization of people, by the way, the disproportionate victimization of the black community by the very small percentage within that community who are black. What could be better for neighborhoods that have too much crime then making them relatively crime free, making them safe so that, you know, the black moms and black dads and black residents can go to their jobs, can go to their work and go to the park, do whatever they want to do in peace, safety and tranquility. That's the way it's supposed to be for all of us. And I think we've just reached a point where whoever it is that has to get locked up. The small part I told you about the NYBE, the New York City stats about the subway, 63 people, 5,000 arrests. We're not saying lock up millions of people here. You're saying, lock up the 63, save yourself thousands of arrests, make the subway safer for everybody. What is the counter argument to this? There's some kind of a sickness in the liberal mind. What is the counter argument to this other than, you know, oh, social justice or, oh, you're racist. It's like, it's not racist. You know what's horrible? What's horrible is to leave minority, you know, dominant communities to high crime rates because you're unwilling to take the 1% that's committing all the crimes and lock them up. That's horrible. That's wrong. That's inhumane, actually. And I think the Republicans see this, I think Trump sees this, and I think it's time for a real national conversation about it. How about that? When you decide it's time you had more energy every day, you got to check out what I'm doing. Chalk, my friends, every chalk supplement is specially formulated to provide your body with the fuel you need. From all natural ingredients, they manufacture different formulations for men and women because our body chemistries are very different. Despite what libs say, chalk is spelled C, H O q. 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So Trump has been speaking this morning about a lot of issues, including crime. And he said some words about the terrible murder on video of that beautiful young Ukrainian refugee 23 year old woman. Just absolutely the most heinous and just horrific kind of crime. But Trump is also saying he's going to do stuff about it. He's not just expressing his sense of shared grief and prayers and love for the families here. He's saying we're going to do something. This is Cut five. He's talking about going into cities and just cleaning out the criminal rot. Play five. You know, when you have horrible killings, you have to take horrible actions. And the actions that we take are nothing. This cashless bail started a wave in our country where a killer kills somebody and is out on the street by the afternoon, in many cases going out and killing again. Cashless bail. And you try and reason with people like in Chicago with the governor and the mayor. You try and reason with them and it's like you're talking to a wall. It's just doesn't I assume it's just a political ideology. They're not stupid people. Must be an ideology that's just buried in their head and you can't do a damn thing about it. And we'd love to go into Chicago and straighten it out. Going to Chicago and straighten it out, going to other places and Straighten it out. This would be certainly a worthy crusade. And I think that the fact that you have a president who is taking law enforcement action as a major component of his administration's focus is something to be really praised. And you know, there's. We just. It doesn't have to be this way. And that's the sentiment, that's the reckoning that the country is having right now. About the numbers. Yes, but about some of these particularly heinous cases of career criminals murdering people. So we'll Talk to Heather McDonnell, author of the War on Cops, about this here in just a minute. You know, when inflation lingers, when the unemployment numbers are going in the wrong direction, whether when we're hearing of a forthcoming federal budget stalemate, things that you and I have no control over, might be time to think about getting some gold, whether as a hedge against that inflation or just for smart diversification. Birch Gold Group believes every American should own physical gold. Look, I've got gold here in my safe. I've got gold bars, gold coins. It just makes a lot of sense to me. The long term thesis for gold is sensible. And up until September 30th, if you're a first time gold buyer, Birchgold is offering a rebate of up to $10,000 on free metals on qualifying purchases. To claim eligibility and start that process, request an info kit now. Just text my Name Buck to 9898 98. Birchgold can help you roll an existing IRA or 401K into an IRA in gold and you are still eligible for a rebate in free medals of up to $10,000. Diversify with gold like I do from Birch Gold Group. Text my name Buck to 9,898 98 today. Now you're only seeing the very beginnings of this. So you know, during the first few weeks, of course, we've seen these radical reductions in violent crime. We're just getting started. Dea, atf, FBI have only just begun to identify, disrupt and dismantle the criminal organizations that have been wreaking havoc on the city for so long. And we're going to take them apart, member by member, group by group, piece by piece. That is Stephen Miller saying that the law enforcement deployment to bring down crime is just beginning on of course, the issue of immigration, but also on violent crime. We're joined now by Heather McDonald. She's a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and also author of, well, the War on Cops and When Race Trumps Merit. Heather, always good to have you on the program.

Heather Mac Donald (25:59)

Thank you so much, Buck.

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I have to say, I expect a certain degree of what we're gonna talk about. But Heather, for two heinous murders to occur within pretty close proximity in terms of time, a couple of weeks of each other. The New York Times hasn't covered either of them. The Washington Post hasn't covered either the murder of this veterinary professor in Alabama and also the murder in North Carolina of this Ukrainian refugee. People see this and are outraged, understandably. What's going on here?

Heather Mac Donald (26:32)

Well, sadly, it's all about race. The black on white crime gets virtually no attention. And we're supposed to believe that white on black crime is the dominant reality in our country today. It is not. A 2023 study from the National Academy of Sciences left wing group, left wing professors involved in it said that there is virtually zero white on black homicides in this country and that blacks are 35 times more likely to commit an act of violence against whites than vice versa. That is a narrative that is simply not allowed into the public sphere. And we have allowed this crime to get out of control for the absolutely phony reason that we don't. If we incarcerate people, we'll put more black criminals in jail. Of course, the answer to that is yes. But blacks are overwhelmingly the victims of crime. But they don't count because we only care about black victims in the excruciatingly rare instances when they're killed by a police officer or even more rarely, a non, you know, non official white person. We have completely forgotten the purpose of government buck, which is to protect the law abiding. We're living through the great inversion where government has decided that its priorities are for the dysfunctional, the criminal, the antisocial. It loads rights on people that are a threat to society and it treats the law abiding merely as ATMs for government's feckless social policies. From now on, and Trump is leading us in this direction, we have the government has one obligation and one obligation. Protect life, protect property, protect safety.

Buck Sexton (28:33)

You know, Heather, I'm sure you might have seen this. There's already some very interesting and somewhat or very troubling conversations around, particularly the Ukrainian refugee who was murdered on video on the North Carolina light rail in Charlotte. People starting a GoFundMe, those have been taken down Wikipedia trying to take this off the case, off of Wikipedia, that obviously is getting attention. But this from Axios, you know, body cams, I think are the single biggest impediment that BLM has to 3.0. I mean, I've been talking to this for A while that the more familiar people become with body camera footage in general, but also in specific incidents, the less likely they are to believe some of these tales and some of these initial narratives that are put out there. Axios wrote the Rising. This is just this morning, the big picture. The rising number of surveillance cameras in public spaces, including on Charlotte's Light rail, has become a big accelerant in these cases. The video is easily shared or leaked and can pollinate across social media. I'm starting to feel like they don't want us to see what's going on.

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It's hilarious. I found that headline simply stunning. It is about as clarifying as it gets. They had control of the narrative. They decided what the public was allowed to know and what it wasn't. The public is completely in the dark about the reality of inner city crime because the media has decided we don't dare to know it because we might become racist. And Axios and the mainstream media is terrified that they are losing control of the narrative. That's why, of course, Biden tried through the, you know, collusion of the pressure on social media companies to shut down X for once. You know, we were also optimistic about the web when it came into being. We thought it's going to crowdsource knowledge and, and then it turned out to have many, many downsides as far as social addiction to this. But here again is one of the great upsides is it does give the people a way to fight back against the censorship of the elite media establishment and the elite political establishment as well.

Buck Sexton (30:53)

When President Trump was speaking about this issue recently, he talked about no cash bail and just the. Can you just take us back a little bit in time here, Heather, to the argument that we had to have no cash bail in places like New York. And then what has this, what have the numbers told us this has resulted in? I mean, what has that carnage looked like?

Heather Mac Donald (31:15)

Well, the argument, and I'm going to be honest here, Buck, I'm somewhat sympathetic to the anti bail argument because it is sort of a form of preemptive detention before you have made a judgment that under a probable cause standard of criminal guilt. But the argument is, the non race argument is that it's unfair to the poor. It is economically discriminatory because if you don't have the money to make cash bail, you're going to be held and if you have the money you're going to be out. The real argument again, everything, I'm sorry to say it is depressing, it's disheartening. But Everything in our criminal justice system today is driven by race. And that means it's driven by the fact that the crime rate among blacks is exponentially higher than among whites. Again, we're not supposed to say these things, but that's why we are not enforcing the law. That is why we are not imposing bail. It is why judges are letting people go. And above all it's why prosecutors, prosecutors are not prosecuting crimes. And it's also driving our mental health system. I mean in New York you can see it, these schizophrenics, this Decarlos Brown was a schizophrenic. They're all out on the streets. It's like a scene out of bedlam. And that too, we're not going to incarcerate the mentally ill or take them off the streets because again the racial disproportionality. And so there is some argument that the failure to impose bail is allowing a lot of recidivism. I think the solution is to just give judges power. With regards, I would get rid of the cash component and just give judges the ability to say no, your risk.

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Is being held, you're being held. Yeah.

Heather Mac Donald (33:07)

And you know again, this is where the great inversion comes in, Buck. You get at most one free bite of the apple and then that's it. This is a statistical certainty. It was a known certainty that something like this horrific stabbing and the stabbing in Alabama was going to happen. When you allow criminals, when you allow the mentally ill drug addicted on the streets, it will happen. That is no longer acceptable. We have to put the burden on the criminal to justify himself. The responsibility is to protect the public. If somebody has committed one crime that is putting the establishment, the government officials on notice, they will likely commit it again. We have to be much more safety protective. Right now all we care about is protecting the rights of the mentally ill, the vagrants and the criminals. That has got to end.

Buck Sexton (34:07)

You know there's this story, Heather in the New York Post. I'm sure you saw it. You're a New Yorker, about 63 people who are responsible. And I would not have, I would have guessed that it was 630 arrests. No, no. 5,000, 5,000 arrests among 63 people. You hear this. How is that even, how is it even possible? Well, they've got people like this guy, 628 year old Kenny Mitchell, this is in the New York Post, arrested a total of 149 times, 18 times since May of this year for alleged theft and forgery. Found lying on the C train platform. With pockets full of crack vials. 150. Someone's arrested 150 times. What is a judge doing when this person the 149th time goes in front of them? Like, what is the thought process?

Heather Mac Donald (34:58)

The thought process is I am. My responsibility is to the downtrodden, the allegedly downtrodden, the discriminated against, the people that are the victims of racial injustice. That's who I care about. The public is not before me. Again, this has to end. If there's any excuse about. We don't have the jail space to hold people. We don't have the mental institutions to hold people. Bill them, Trump, build them. You know, I'm not a big fan of distributing federal tax dollars to localities because it's just a shell game. It's the same tax dollars that began in the locality that come back to it minus, you know, 50% of red tape costs having gone to Washington and back. Nevertheless, if there's anything that deserves federal funding. Build the jails, build the facilities. Get rid of the damn laws that give priority to keeping the homeless people on the streets. Get rid of the homeless. Outreach teams. This is not housing. Everybody on the street has been offered shelter multiple times. They do not have the right to say no. They do not have the right to colonize. You can go to Penn Station. You will see dozens of decarlos Browns. They are walking time bombs. They are going to explode. And every time they explode, that is on the hands of our government officials. They have one duty and one duty only. Protect the public. Their duty is not to protect the dysfunctional and the antisocial.

Buck Sexton (36:40)

You know, Heather, just another stat from this New York Post piece. Ten years ago, 81% of transit felony arrests in New York City resulted in convictions. It's 36% today. It's not because they're arresting all the wrong people.

Heather Mac Donald (36:55)

It's because again, we feel guilty. Wrongly as a society. We have historical guilt. We are not guilty today. This is not a white supremacy supremacist society. It is just the opposite. We are giving benefits and opportunities and preferences to underrepresented minorities all the time. It is time to end the racial grift, to end the racial guilt. Again. If you want to play this black victims, by all means do it. When we allow criminals to stay on the streets, it's the. It's the safe, the safety. Observing hardworking residents of East Harlem, the south side of Chicago that are finding their children gunned down. The media and the activists tell them hilariously that they should fear white people or they should fear the National Guard. Are you kidding me? The National Guard is their only hope. And we have this completely contradictory message. On the one hand, that that comes out of the New York Times and everybody else and the Washington Post. Well, the National Guard is making everybody scared. They're like so traumatized. And yet the National Guard is going to the Mall. It is going to the Washington Mall, it is going to the Smithsonian, it isn't going to Anacostia. So, you know, decide, do you want them in the high crime neighborhoods or not? Are you scared of them or not? The fact is that law enforcement works. As you were saying earlier today, we, we know how to do this. As you were saying earlier today, this is a choice. It is not an inevitability, homelessness, vagrancy, street colonization, choice, policy outcome, not a naturally occurring phenomenon. Policy choices. We knew how to do this a century ago. We did not allow people to colonize city streets. When you do do that, you're going to get more of this because these people, they have shown themselves to be threats. They have to be off the streets. We have to say no more. And thank heavens we have a president who understands one murder is too many. I cannot believe in the Axios story. They're also trotting out the usual, well, the problem with these videos is it's giving people a way to not believe that crime is dropping. If I hear that crime is dropping meme one more time, I am going to go nuts. Because it doesn't matter. It's a non sequitur. Crime is dropping a little bit since its post. George Floyd Race riot astronomical high. It doesn't matter. One is too many. It is still way too high. Our homicide rate is 60 times that of Switzerland, 27 times that of London. In Washington D.C. this is not acceptable in a civilized society.

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Heather Mac Donald (39:59)

Thank you for having me on. Buck.

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