Hour 3 - Nonsensical Women

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 3 – Nonsensical Women
Date: November 6, 2025
Host: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton
Guest: Katie Miller
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This hour features a lively discussion between Clay Travis, Buck Sexton, and guest Katie Miller (conservative commentator, podcaster, and wife of Stephen Miller). The main theme centers on political trends among women, culture wars over gender and sports, the election aftermath in several states, and the perceived contradictions in contemporary liberal feminism. The tone is fast-paced, humorous, and unapologetically opinionated, with direct audience engagement via calls and talkbacks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Katie Miller’s Viral TV Exchange & Israel Discourse

• Miller is congratulated for her rising profile and her confrontation with Cenk Uygur on Piers Morgan's show, relating to criticism of Israel and accusations about antisemitism.
  • [02:01] Buck: “Happy to see all your success. … tell that jerk Cenk whatever his name is what you really think of him.”
  • Katie clarifies she stands by logic but can get heated:
    • [02:44] Katie: “Did I lose my cool with him…? Absolutely. Did I have a better logical argument to make? Absolutely. … Someone funded by the Muslim Brotherhood and a supporter of Hamas…when they criticize Israel, they pretty much mean one thing.”

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2. Election Results in NY, VA, NJ – Gen Z & Women's Voting Patterns

• Explores why Democrats won blue states, Gen Z’s political leanings, especially among women, and concerns over ‘imported’ populations shifting voting patterns.
  • [03:46] Katie: “Does it overly concern me that we lost three blue states … No, of course not. What concerns me, though, is the number of voters in New York who haven’t lived there longer than five years…”
  • Critique of ‘Gen Z females’ for supporting politicians “who won’t denounce Sharia law but claim they’re for women’s rights.”

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3. Trans Rights & Women’s Sports Debate

• Clay raises the story of a biological male playing in the National Women’s Soccer League and backlash a teammate received for objecting.
  • [05:56] Clay: "Women are actually the worst defenders of women’s athletics out there...the actual athletes themselves seem intent on erasing themselves."
  • Katie:
    • [07:15] “Who’s the undoing of Western civilization? It is the liberal white woman… willing to cannibalize their own people.”
    • [08:09] “I remember growing up… I didn’t want to be a man. I grew up wanting to be a woman. So I don’t know what Glamour magazine is doing except saying men are better at being women than women…”

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4. Syndey Sweeney & Cultural Beauty Politics

• Discussion about actress Sydney Sweeney declining to apologize for being an attractive, non-political woman amid a backlash:
  • [09:40] Katie: "Women are not allowed to be attractive in this country anymore… you see on every single liberal publication… men, because they're no longer allowed to say women are allowed to be hot and attractive if you’re white..."
  • References incidents like a man entering a women’s gym locker room as indicative of cultural confusion on sex, gender, and safety.

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5. Reaching Young Women: Marriage, Motherhood, and Conservative Messaging

• Both the hosts and Katie lament modern culture’s devaluation of motherhood, early marriage, and traditional family roles.
  • [11:09] Katie: “The reason I started my podcast was to speak to these exact women…the women who are not getting married…believe a career is what they should be doing first and foremost. … going to a job in which you’re just paying enough to make ends meet at the daycare and grocery store is not what life is meant to be.”
  • [13:13] Buck: “No one ever feels the need to clear their throat and apologize for encouraging two people working and kids in daycare…but if you say, hey, being a mom who stays home…people get angry about that.”

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6. Virginia Election, Political Polarization & Safety Concerns

• Hosts express shock at the election of Virginia’s new chief law enforcement officer (Jay Jones), who they allege has endorsed violent rhetoric.
  • [16:08] Katie: “I have three young children who live in the state of Virginia. So you can imagine how sad it is when you see your neighbors vote for somebody who wishes the equivalent of my children dead…It’s a very scary time to be a Republican.”

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7. Audience Calls: Disillusionment and Civic Participation

• Callers discuss not voting out of cynicism (“my vote doesn’t matter”), with hosts strongly encouraging participation.
  • [21:21] Caller: “My single vote won’t make a difference so there’s no point in me voting.”
  • [23:02] Clay: “I want every single person out there listening to us to vote. I can’t imagine sitting around on election day and feeling like I hadn’t been willing to take the bare minimum time to make my voice heard.”

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8. Economic Woes, Inflation & Youth Disenfranchisement

• Listeners and hosts discuss ongoing frustration over cost of living, inflation’s stickiness, and how policies post-COVID compounded it.
  • [24:31] Matt (listener): “Gas prices are still up. Cost of living is still up... We elected Trump to fix it, not to tell us who did it.”
  • [26:28] Buck: “You basically shut down whole sectors of an economy and print money...there are big problems from that.”
  • [28:53] Buck quotes Palantir CEO Alex Karp: “People realize that the degrees they were told were going to be really valuable are not, and more hard skills … are more valuable in the marketplace.”

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9. Generational Struggles: Value of Degrees & AI’s Economic Impact

• Worry that white-collar jobs, once considered immune, may be displaced by AI, while skilled trades may become more secure and lucrative.
  • [30:20] Clay: “A lot of well-educated people during COVID were very cocky and arrogant… the jobs that many young white collar professionals have…are going to be the ones that get eliminated first.”

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10. Calls, Camaraderie & Lighter Moments

• The show closes out with rapid-fire calls, a humorous baseball coaching tangent, and a listener suggesting a “dating center” for like-minded podcast fans.
  • [42:27] Caller: “I like that idea of having, like, a dating center for Clay and Buck listeners…”

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “It concerns me the amount of Gen Z females who are voting to support a man who won’t denounce Sharia law, but at the same time claim that they’re in support of women’s rights.”
  — Katie Miller [03:46]
• “Why is it that we can’t just say women are biologically women? … those women are not men and men are not women.”
  — Katie Miller [07:15]
• “Who’s the undoing of Western civilization? It is the liberal white woman…they’re willing to cannibalize their own people…”
  — Katie Miller [07:15]
• “No one ever feels the need to clear their throat and apologize for encouraging…two people working and kids in daycare…but if you say, hey, being a mom who stays home and raises kids, that’s a beautiful, worthy, critical, civilization-building pathway…People get angry about that.”
  — Buck Sexton [13:13]
• “When partisanship wins out and when Trump derangement wins out over human decency…people who are my neighbors…support somebody who wishes death upon our family.”
  — Katie Miller [16:08]
• “You eat a bean, don’t you? Nobody eats one bean, but you add them all together and they make a meal. … Yes, your single vote might not sway it, but everybody together makes a meal.”
  — Caller Daniel [31:08]
• “Degrees that they were told were going to be really valuable, are not…and more hard skills and work experience…are more valuable in the marketplace.”
  — Palantir CEO Alex Karp, played by Buck [33:18]
• “I love law school, but…when you’re 25 years old…you get slapped by the cold heart of reality…You’re not involved in A Time to Kill. It’s not A Few Good Men.”
  — Clay Travis [34:55]

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Segment Timestamps

• [02:01] – Katie Miller joins, TV spat with Cenk Uygur, Israel discussion
• [03:16] – Blue state elections, Gen Z female voters, ideological inconsistencies
• [05:56]-[08:22] – Trans athletes in women’s sports, cultural contradictions
• [09:40] – Sydney Sweeney controversy, beauty standards, double standards for women
• [11:09]-[14:01] – Reaching young women, motherhood vs. career prestige
• [16:08] – Virginia election, safety and partisanship
• [21:21] – Caller Jonathan: Why I didn’t vote
• [24:31] – Economic complaints, fixing inflation, Trump vs. Biden
• [28:53]-[34:08] – Education, degree value, impact of automation/AI, job market realities
• [41:18]-[42:50] – Quickfire listener calls, dating for listeners, show camaraderie

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Memorable Moments

• Katie’s blunt assessment: “Who’s the undoing of Western civilization? It is the liberal white woman…” [07:15]
• Candid conversation about working vs. stay-at-home moms, need for cultural respect for motherhood [11:09–14:01]
• Palantir CEO Alex Karp on value of skilled trades vs. elite degrees [33:18]
• Listener’s “bean” metaphor for voting: “Nobody eats one bean, but you add them all together and they make a meal.” [31:08]
• Lighthearted banter on coaching sports and the idea of a conservative dating service for listeners [42:27]

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Summary

This episode offers a frank culture war analysis from the right, focusing heavily on women’s voting, the state of American feminism (“nonsensical women”), the political left’s alleged contradictions, as well as ongoing economic challenges and generational frustration. Katie Miller’s presence adds a notable cultural conservative perspective, particularly regarding women’s roles, sports, and the shifting value of family life over careerism. The hour wraps up with candid calls from listeners both disillusioned and optimistic, showcasing the podcast’s engaged and vocal audience.

For listeners seeking a bracing, unapologetic critique of current political and cultural trends — especially related to gender, youth politics, and the economy — this segment captures the tone and arguments of the modern American right.

Transcript

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84484, iheart or iheartadvertising.com third hour of play and buck gets going. Right now, everybody. We're joined by Katie Miller. Katie Miller podcast rocketing up the charts all across America. And Katie, I gotta say, happy to see all your success. Also, just happy to see you tell that jerk Jenk, whatever his name is, what you really think of him. Over on over on Piers Morgan show. I saw that you weren't Having any of this with the. Let's just trash Israel constantly, as Cenk does, and then say that it had somehow nothing to do with Jewish people. Israel, Jewish people. These are two separate entities entirely.

[Katie Miller]

Did I lose my cool with him where I had a logical argument? Absolutely. Did I have a better logical argument to make? Absolutely. But when you see someone like him who's, like, sweating and can't pull it together, I wasn't thinking very clearly. But what I can tell you is someone who's funded by the Muslim Brotherhood and is a supporter of Hamas, they typically have only one meaning when they say Israel, not everybody. And do I stand by everything Israel's done? Absolutely not. But when those type of people criticize Israel, they pretty much mean one thing.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Stephen Miller's wife, Katie. She's got a great podcast. We are rolling through the third hour of the program here. Katie, obviously a lot of people trying to figure out what happened in New York with mom Donnie, what happened in Virginia, what happened in New Jersey, what's your take? And how much should we be concerned about what happened in all those races and how does it project, most importantly, probably towards the midterms, if at all.

[Katie Miller]

Does it overly concern me that we lost three blue states that Trump didn't win? No, of course not. What concerns me, though, is the number of voters in New York who haven't lived there longer than five years. It concerns me the amount of Gen Z females who are voting to support a man who won't denounce Sharia law, but at the same time claim that they're in support of women's rights. It's just a. It doesn't make quite so much sense to me, guys. I don't think it makes much sense to you guys either, why women are going to. Who. Who are wearing those white, like, pink pony hats, those pink hats where they were, like, in those women rights supporter marches.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, Clay and I are still trying to figure out, Katie, what that. What the trans Rights for Gaza movement is really all about, because I think. I think they missed a memo on that one.

[Katie Miller]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know how many trans rights there are in Gaza because I think they kill them all there. But again, it goes to the people who are supporting women's rights are voting for a man who doesn't support women's rights and doesn't denounce Sharia law. What has we gone wrong as a country where young women aren't voting for people who support their own ideals and they vote for people who are against the rights that they are seeking and vote against their elevation. Why are white men in our country? They are the only group left who are actually. Because they see the writing on the wall. They see that if they don't continue to support people like them, there won't be people like themselves left in our country. We are definitely becoming a country that looks a lot more like the UK. The same country we all left back in 1776. You know, we are looking like a country that has open borders, that has random Pakistani crime on our streets. And I saw a man who was killed, who was stabbed walking his dog in the UK by Afghanis. And that's what happens when you support open borders policies. And that's what you see in New York City, right? When most of the people who supported Mamdani in this election just came to New York City in the last five years. What is that?

[Clay Travis]

No, it's totally true. We talked about those numbers on the show on Wednesday, yesterday's program. We're talking to Katie Miller. You can check out her podcast video podcast version of that as well. That is out there everywhere. We were talking about women being unwilling to stand up for other women. I don't know if you've seen this story out of the National Women's Soccer League. It's one of the craziest stories that I've seen in some time. There is a biological man that is evidently playing in the National Women's Soccer League. According to these stories, one of the players for an LA area soccer team came out and said something radical. Katie. She said, hey, women's soccer should only be played by women. The Angel City team in LA then had a press conference where they ripped this teammate of theirs for saying women's soccer should only be played by women. Accused her of being transphobic, which is quite predictable, but also accused her of being racist because the player in question happens to be black. Why are women actually the worst defenders of women's athletics out there? There are a lot of people like Riley Gaines. They're brave. This is a vast majority opinion. But the actual athletes themselves seem intent on erasing themselves. What's going on here?

[Katie Miller]

Who's the undoing of Western civilization? It is the liberal white woman. It is the woman who for some reason feels so sympathetic and empathetic towards other groups that they're willing to cannibalize their own people. They're willing to leave their daughters worse off because they would like to virtue signal for the support of people on the Internet. It's quite frankly Makes no sense to me, Clay. Why is it that we can't just say women are biologically women? Why is it that we want to say that biological men who don't have a uterus, who don't have periods, who don't have cycles and play differently? By the way, when you have different hormonal changes at different time of the month, those women are not men and men are not women. You know, if you saw. I don't know if you guys saw this, but Glamour magazine in the UK had nine biological men on there.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Katie Miller]

I remember growing up, by the way. I didn't grow up wanting to be a man. I grew up wanting to be a woman. So I don't know what Glamour magazine is doing except saying that men are better at being women than women, which.

[Caller/Listener]

Is exactly what these sports are doing, by the way.

[Buck Sexton]

We have Sydney Sweeney, who somehow has become a symbol of, I don't know, conservatives, the right Trump just depending on.

[Clay Travis]

I would just say buck. A symbol of, it's good to be pretty. And I'm just gonna own being pretty.

[Buck Sexton]

But what I was gonna say is the media acts like she's some partisan figure. It's like, no, she's just like, I'm a hot chick, and I'm using it to sell tickets and, you know, make money. And a very attractive lady. Another way of saying this. And Katie, she is refusing to apologize. This is cut 40. This was during a GQ interview. This is for the good genes ad that got the left all freaked out. Play it.

[Katie Miller]

The criticism of the content which was. The criticism of the content which was basically that maybe specifically in this political.

[Clay Travis]

Climate, like, white people shouldn't joke about genetic superiority.

[Katie Miller]

Like, that was kind of like the criticism, broadly speaking. And since you are talking about this, I just wanted to give you an opportunity to talk about that specifically.

[Clay Travis]

I think that when I have an.

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[Buck Sexton]

I kind of like where she's going. She's not bending the knee. They want her to bend the knee so badly. Be like, stop. Stop being hot and famous. It's not allowed.

[Katie Miller]

Women are not allowed to be attractive in this country anymore. It's just. This is not happening. You see on every single liberal publication, men, because they're no longer allowed to say that women are allowed to be hot and attractive if you're white. Right? That's what this is coming down to, is Sydney Sweeney, in that same interview, says, I was just wearing jeans. I like wearing jeans. Why is it controversial for a white woman to put on jeans and be on, you know, and be in an advertisement. It's not. But at the same time, did you guys see at Gold's Gym where a black woman was in the locker room just changing and a guy comes in, like, with his penis out, and she's screaming like, why is a guy in my locker room? And they kick her out.

[Clay Travis]

We played that audio and had that discussion. And so here is the. I wrote about this in the book, and I feel like I understand young men pretty well because I'm raising three young men, 17, 15, and 11. I know you have several kids as well. Your kids are really young. But one of the big debates that's out there, Katie, is how do we get young women to in some way see the world through an A lens that young men are seeing it through? And doesn't mean they all have to be Republicans. You know, just a 50, 50 split would not be a bad thing. How do women, young women in particular, get reached with the arguments that actually make sense? What would you do if you had a magic wand and they said your job? And part of your. I think what you're doing with your podcast is trying to speak to this audience. How do you reach them?

[Katie Miller]

The reason I started my podcast was to speak to these exact women, the women who are not getting married, who are not having kids, who believe a career is what they should be doing first and foremost. And I don't think our country, and specifically Republicans, do a good job of telling young women that being a mom and being a wife and raising children is a valued career. It is an honest, hard, good day's work. And that going to a job in which you're just paying enough to make ends meet at the daycare in the grocery store is not what life is meant to be. It is okay, by the way, to dress up and look pretty for your husband. It is okay to just feel good about raising little children. It is okay to have a day where you're just helping your kids be a better person that day, and you raise better children when you are home for your children. And I'm not saying that's a one size fits all magic wand, because in some households, that doesn't work. And we should be supportive of single women who go to work, and we should be supportive of different households that look differently. But for a large segment of our population, the reason why so many young men are lost is because young women stopped wanting to take care of those young men. They stopped wanting to be in these marriages at young Ages, right? You look at Travis, Kelsey and Taylor Swift, they're getting engaged in their late 30s instead of their early 20s, when, by the way, women's bodies were meant to have kids. We should be celebrating. We should be celebrating and encouraging young women to grow together with young men. Because marriages and a spouse and a support system, as you guys know, make it better and makes it easier to have a career. My husband, Stephen Miller, is the most supportive of my career. He makes it possible for me to have a career and have young children. But guess what? That means trade offs for both of us. If I'm out that night at work, Steven is home giving the kids a bath and giving them dinner and putting them to bed. We make sure that our children have a parent home at night. Is it easy with his job and my job? No. But that's what a support system looks like. And I wish we encourage more young women that being a mom is more than good enough.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's also worth noting, Katie, and everything you said there is so well put and important for a lot of people to hear. No one ever feels the need to clear their throat and apologize for encouraging Again, to your point, it's not one size fits all. It's not that, you know, people can't have different paths and not everyone's meant to get married or not everyone's meant to have whatever, that's fine. But if somebody says, hey, what we really need are two people working and kids in daycare and isn't that great? No one feels the need to apologize or explain anything about that. They can just advocate for that in our culture. But if you say, hey, being a mom who stays home and raises kids, that's a beautiful, worthy, critical, civilization building pathway to. People get angry about that. And I think that says a lot.

[Katie Miller]

What's the, you know, what's the male equivalent of giving a female flowers? I was just having this conversation and to me it's cooking your husband a loving meal, right? It's taking the time to show somebody else you care. And unfortunately, in our society, when you have two working parents, you lose that ability to have that loving touch. And so where you get lost, lost boys, is in a generation of women that don't see that that important part is valued and is just as critical, by the way, as getting a next promotion or getting a higher pay bump at your work. Right? Like LinkedIn exists to be able to cheer someone on in the workplace that doesn't exist in a corresponding value to a stay at home mom. Right? People celebrate you when you have a baby, but there isn't that same village anymore for when your child has its first steps or when you get through a tough day, or when you cook a really good turkey or chicken at dinner, right? And I'm like, man, I killed it today. But me killing it today on cooking a really good din doesn't get me the same praise from co workers because my co workers are little children that, you know, getting a killing a presentation or having that next salary increase gets you that same level of praise from our society. And we should do more to praise moms and to praise women because then they would be encouraged to have a career path that is just raising kids. That is that same level of value as getting paid more. Because why in our society do we only value paying women more as that's.

[Clay Travis]

Your worst last question for you, Katie, and we know you're busy. The results on Tuesday, the one that Buck and I can't get over is Jay Jones being elected as the chief law enforcement officer of the state of Virginia after saying that he'd like to see the kids of his political opponents murdered, that he would piss on their graves. I mean, truly vile things. What does it say about the Democrat Party that they would consider him to still be electable, to elect him and have him win by 6? In the wake of what we already saw happen with President Trump, in the wake of what we certainly have seen happen with Charlie Kirk, to endorse violent ideation like this, that's the one result that I couldn't get past. You got young kids. You've got someone who's in the political arena. What was your reaction to that result?

[Katie Miller]

I have three young children who live in the state of Virginia. So you can imagine how sad it is when you see your neighbors vote for somebody who wishes the equivalent of my children dead. And what you're seeing here is when partisanship wins out and when Trump deranged them wins out over common decency and being and human decency. What you're seeing also is when you have bad candidates and bad campaigns that are run in Virginia and you just have Democrats who blindly support the Democratic candidate. Because the bottom line is that when, I mean, it is just really sad to see that people who are my neighbors, both to my left and my right, support somebody who wishes death upon our family and death upon families who think like us. I think of Megan McCain who also lives in Virginia, and that says that these law enforcement officers won't stand up for us when people are coming with that same level of rhetoric and hate and actionable intelligence that you need as a top law enforcement officer in Virginia. Why would anyone with children live in Virginia who think and vote as a Republican? It's a very scary time to be in our country. It's a very scary time to be a Republican. And I think it only gets worse before it gets better. And we saw that with the election of Jay Jones.

[Clay Travis]

Katie, we appreciate the time. Good luck speaking to all the different women out there that I think you can be incredibly impactful for culturally and certainly we thank you for spending the time with us.

[Buck Sexton]

Katie Miller podcast everybody go check it out.

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show All of us rolling through the Thursday edition thanks to Katie Miller who was just with us. Encourage you to check out her podcast. It is becoming very, very informed. And look, we got a bunch of people who want to weigh in variety of different topics. Jonathan in New Jersey, we asked earlier, why did you not vote? Did you vote in 2024? Jonathan in the presidential?

[Caller/Listener]

No, I didn't vote. That was just because I wasn't like really registered. But the reason that I didn't vote now is because although everyone says in theory that if everyone voted make a difference, but in practicality my single vote won't make a difference. So there's no point in me voting.

[Clay Travis]

So you. But you listen to this program. Sorry to cut you off. You listen to this program and you're engaged in politics, yet you don't think your vote matters so you just decided not to vote.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, well, I follow politics more as like a hobby than that. Like the same way people follow sports is why I follow politics. But I think everyone should vote. I just think that my vote won't make a difference whether I vote or not. If the candidate doesn't win by one vote, it won't affect the election. So therefore I'm not going to go out and waste my time wait in line for an hour to vote if nothing is going to come out from it anyways.

[Clay Travis]

Well, thanks for the call. I would just encourage everybody out there to actually go vote. Buck. And you do matter.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show We appreciate all of you hanging out with us. A lot of reactions, weighing in, rolling in with people weighing in on a variety of different topics out there. Let me just start with this one, Buck. I don't this is not ideal, but just 20 minutes ago I got an email from Delta. I'm supposed to fly tomorrow. I bet a lot of you are going to be getting these. These are the top stories by and large on all the television networks. Dear Clay, Delta is complying with a federal directive to reduce flights at 40 major US airports starting tomorrow due to air traffic control staffing shortages caused by the government shutdown. Uh, then they say, hey, your flight might be impacted. Just make sure you're checking. And they don't give me any info. So I don't know when I'm gonna be able to get outta New York. It's gonna be like Escape from New York here. But I'm imagining that many of you are getting these same emails. Uh, and the headline right now is that United is preemptively canceling hundreds of flights tomorrow. So I just want to mention that I want you guys to be on top of it. I do not want you guys to be doing what I potentially am going to have to do, which is sit around in an airport all day. Podcast listener Matt A. This is something we've heard from a lot of people. I want to let him make the argument, then Buck and I will react. Maybe some of you will as well. Listen, hey, gentlemen, you may disagree with.

[Buck Sexton]

What I'm about to say and that's fine.

[Clay Travis]

But the rosy colored picture of the.

[Buck Sexton]

Country that people have been painting, and especially in conservative media is so inaccurate. Gas prices are still up. Cost of living is still up. Cost of goods is still up.

[Clay Travis]

And I understand, we all know who did it, but we elected Trump to.

[Buck Sexton]

Fix it, not to tell us who did it. And dancing on the graves of the Democrats prematurely was not the smartest thing to do. If he doesn't want to become a lame duck In January of 2027, he really needs to focus on domestic issues now.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so that was Matt, podcast listener. Here's what I would say. Gas prices are actually down compared to four years ago here. I just, I think this is going to be an issue and I'm open to what people would say. You can't fix inflation. This is why inflation is so awful, pernicious and nasty. Once it happens, it's embedded forever. And I get it, everything cost way too much. But Trump doesn't have a magic wand to suddenly make things cost what they did in 2019 or 2018. This is a function of Joe Biden's awful economic decision making. I didn't live through it, Buck. You didn't really live through it, at least not to be able to remember it. Some of you guys may remember when you had awful inflation from Jimmy Carter, there were then a two term Ronald Reagan window. Reagan was not very popular for the first couple of years of his tenure because he was still dealing with the fallout of the economy that Jimmy Carter had created. I think that there is going to be an element of that for Trump now. I think by this time next year, by the summer of 2026, you are going to see the economy roaring. Stock market's at all time high. Gas prices are at four year lows. The overall rate of increase in prices has declined. But it's not going to go back to 2018 or 2019. And I think that's what a lot of people in their minds are expecting to happen.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, it's going to be tough. It turns out when you basically shut down whole sectors of an economy and print money, there are big problems from that. Yes, that is unfortunately what we did to the tune of 6 trillion plus 2 trillion. It was really like a Covid was like a infusion of 8 or 9 trillion dollars of dollars without underlying assets, products or value into the system. That's really, really bad. And it's some of us, like yours truly and Clay truly, I don't know how I would say that we're telling everybody this at the time. Matter of public record. We both had shows. You're both saying, this. This is crazy. It's a really bad idea. Don't do this. And people didn't listen. So once those prices go up, once the inflation has set in, it is very hard to turn things around. But the. There. There are some other. There's some structural things that we deal with right now. And for example, one area that I'd say the Mamdani. The Mamdani show, because it really felt like a show tapped into effectively, was people saying that they have a raw deal. Let's just say a raw deal for the younger generation. Now, some of that is whining or whatever, but it's not. Make your own coffee and don't eat out avocado toast or whatever. I mean, that stuff is very dismissive. And that's not fair because, I mean, look at the price of a home.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Nationwide in America in the last 10 years. I mean, look at what has happened. The home price, the amount of money you have to make to afford the same home, is basically doubled. And everyone has not gotten 100% raise.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

So we know that something structurally within the system, we have the people pulling the levers, Treasury, Congress, all of it did things that made it harder for those to accumulate wealth and then assets to do so. And this has. This is something that's. It is a big problem. And when you add on top of that, all these people who feel like their degrees are not. Oh, did you guys have this one? I actually sent this in. Alex Karp, who is a.

[Clay Travis]

Palantir. How did you say Palantir? I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

Palantir.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know how to pronounce any play. Palantir. Palantir. I know how to read well. I'm very literate, but I don't. It's a very successful business.

[Buck Sexton]

Like, one of the most wealthy, one of the most valuable companies, like, you.

[Clay Travis]

Know, in the world today. But it's cool. Whatever.

[Buck Sexton]

But so, yeah, Palantir. He's a CEO of IT Guys, let me know if we. If we get it, if we have it, just because I think it'd be better to hear it from him. But I think, you know, he says one of the big challenges that we've seen is, is that people have realized that the degrees that they Were told were going to be really valuable, are not really valuable, and more hard skills and work experience and things like that are more valuable in the general marketplace. And I just think that there's been a, there has been a shift. Clay. When you and I went to school, it was, the idea was you get into a certain kind of institution, you go there, you have endless options at your disposal in that field, right. And you're going to get all these great job offers, whatever. But now everyone has a, everyone has an undergraduate degree in the marketplace that's looking for these kinds of jobs. It doesn't differentiate you. And people have all this debt and now they can't afford houses. Like there have been policy mistakes made.

[Clay Travis]

I think this is also where AI is going to come in in a massive way. A lot of well educated people during COVID were very cocky and arrogant. What would they say when people lost their jobs, learned to code. The jobs that many people who are young white collar professionals have grown accustomed to being able to get are going to be the ones that get eliminated first. And so your plumbers out there, your roofers, these guys that work with their hands, they're going to actually have more economic power going forward, which is going to be, I think, very interesting to see how it shakes out. Let's get to a couple more calls. Daniel and Tulsa. Jonathan in New Jersey called in, said he didn't vote because he didn't think his vote counted. What do you say to him?

[Caller/Listener]

Well, I think, I think he's probably right. His own single vote doesn't count. But when you add them all together, yours, mine, you know, his, they start to make a meal. So when I was, when I was a kid, I used to go fishing as old man was always there in the neighborhood pond and he was always keeping the fish. And I'd catch a little tiny perch and I'd say, do you want it? And he said, yeah, throw it in the bucket and I catch another one. He'd say, I'd say, do you want it? And he'd say, you eat a bean, don't you? Like what are you talking about? You eat a bean and nobody eats one bean, but you add them all together and they make a meal. So we gotta just remember, yes, your single vote might not sway it, but everybody's together, makes a meal and that's how we gotta change our society back to, you know, a God fearing republic that is proud to be who we are.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you for the call. I just, personally, I want every single person out there listening to Us to vote. I can't imagine sitting around on election day and feeling like I hadn't been willing to take the bare minimum time to make my voice heard on an individual level. And, yes, you can sit around and say, well, in general, how often does a election come down to one vote? You know, millions of people are saying that. And I think the answer is regularly.

[Buck Sexton]

I think. I think eventually, Clay, the fact that you deprive Curtis Sliwa of victory is going to be something that our audience forgives. You know, that your suppression of the Sliwa vote, you know, so he got 7%. It would have been 70, Clay, if only you had shown willingness to put on that red beret. And by the way, we do have Palantir CEO Alex Karp. I'm sorry, I love that one.

[Clay Travis]

Palantir. Palantir.

[Buck Sexton]

CEO. Maybe. Maybe there's like a Southern way to say it, but here's a Palantir CEO, Alex Karp, and he's talking about exactly what I was just mentioning a moment ago about a lot of these young people with these degrees and how they're feeling play it.

[Clay Travis]

I think the average, you know, Ivy.

[Buck Sexton]

League grad voting for this mayor is highly annoyed that their education is not that valuable. And the person down the street who.

[Clay Travis]

Knows how to drill for oil and.

[Buck Sexton]

Gas, who's moved to Texas, has a more valuable profession. And I think that annoys the.

[Clay Travis]

Out of these people.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that's true, by the way.

[Clay Travis]

I think that there is a.

[Buck Sexton]

Hey, hold on a second. I went to Bates College or I went to Hamilton or Amherst or what? I'm just throwing things out, whatever the school is. You know, I went to, you know, University of Pennsylvania, and I have a degree in. I should have fill in those blanks. A lot of people in New York City and other cities are finding out that doesn't matter as much as you were led to believe by the system. And that is true, Clay. It is true.

[Clay Travis]

No, I think that's 100% true. And not only that, and by the way, I'll say a lot of people who go to law school, for instance, have these sort of jarring realities between the world you thought you were entering and the world you actually enter. I've said this before. I love law school, but it teaches you how to think, and you get to debate the most significant issues that have ever faced the country. And then when you're 25 years old, after you've run up a couple hundred thousand dollars in debt, you get slapped by the cold heart of Reality, you're sitting at a desk clicking through a variety of different documents on your computer screen for 12 hours a day. You're not involved in A Time to Kill. It's Not A Few Good Men. The actual grind of being a lawyer is very different than the media portrayal of what lawyerdom is.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm gonna tell you something. The first time in a job, like a job job, that I had to be in a cubicle and realize that, like, this was my home for the next nine, nine and a half hours, had a mini panic attack. I was like, this sucks. Yeah, I don't want to do this.

[Clay Travis]

Of course it does. Horrible. I mean, of course it does. Most jobs are not that much fun. And by the way, nine and a half hours, I remember sitting in a law firm office and thinking, this could be the next 40 years of my life. Like just arguing procedural motions that I don't really care about for a long time. And look, the jobs can pay decently, but I think even those jobs are going to get eradicated soon. By the way, play this. I like Bob. He has great taste in radio. BB.

[Buck Sexton]

Talk back. BB if we can, would be fabulous for us to listen to. Hey, Clay, those are excellent words. When you were talking about coaching and you can only control what you can control, I thought those are outstanding words. Thank you for reminding us about that.

[Clay Travis]

There you go. See, while they may want to take me out because I didn't support Sliwa enough, Bob has got great taste. What sport is it?

[Buck Sexton]

You didn't play football, but would you.

[Clay Travis]

Never went to a school that I coached some flag football.

[Buck Sexton]

But what I was going to say is if you had, if your profession had to be coach, which sport would you be? The not what you want to do the most. Would you be the best at coaching?

[Clay Travis]

Oh, that's a great question. I don't think I'd be. Well, I've coached them all and I don't think I was very good. I don't think I was very good.

[Buck Sexton]

At any of them.

[Clay Travis]

But I think probably, probably baseball. It depends on the age, right? Because kids today get so advanced so quickly. It doesn't take that long for kids to get better at a sport now than if you didn't play until you were 20. Kids today by 14 or 15, are playing at a more advanced level than you did yourself. But I think it's a good question. I think I probably know football and basketball and baseball the best. But I played soccer, so I think I would probably go base. I've coached baseball the most.

[Buck Sexton]

So I probably see I coach soccer and I would say I'd go soccer. You know why Clay? You just got to know who the best players are in the positions, let them do their thing and then you get to stand on the sideline in a fancy European suit and be like.

[Clay Travis]

Hey, there's a lot less management in the middle of a soccer game than there is the the other games. Calling plays and stuff like that is actually pretty difficult. Speaking of calling plays, here's a play for all of you. It's called prize picks and this is several different elements here that I want you guys to be able to take advantage of. These are all touchdown passes. I am taking every one of these guys to take a to throw a touchdown pass. Buck, be careful on this one. His name is Michael Pennix. That is Pennix with an X. Very easy to mispronounce that name. Michael Penix More than one half touchdown. It's a very different bet if you if you mispronounce that one. Trevor Lawrence More than 1/2 touchdown pass. Bryce Young More than 1/2 touchdown pass Tua More than 1/2 touchdown pass. Jackson Dart I'm in New York More than one half touchdown pass and Marcus Mariota More than one touchdown pass. That is six different players all to throw more than one half. That means that they throw one touchdown pass. This is an ambitious pick that I am making, but you can play along with us at prizepix.com Code Clay that is prizepix.com Code clay $50 when you play $5 prizepix.com Code Clayton want to be in the know when you're on the go? The Team 47 podcast drop high like from the week Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton SHOW should we try to run through as many of these calls as we can in a relatively short period? You all have 30 seconds. And we begin with Dan in Fort Collins, Colorado. Go fast. Dan did not start as well by Dan John in Michigan. Go fast.

[Caller/Listener]

Oh, I just want to say, don't you think the inflation and all that, that was all by design? I mean, they really want us to.

[Katie Miller]

Be.

[Caller/Listener]

Dependent on the government?

[Clay Travis]

No. Thank you for the call. No, I think they're just morons. I mean, I don't even think they're smart enough to intentionally screw the economy this bad. I think they just don't understand basic morons. Taryn in Louisville, Kentucky. What you got?

[Caller/Listener]

I need to go ahead and get rid of filibuster. The Democrats already tried it and they would have done it if. And then for Mansion and Sinema and they're gone. There's no more of them. They'll do it the minute they get back in office.

[Clay Travis]

There's an argument for that. We talked about it. Damon in Colorado. What you got, fellas?

[Caller/Listener]

Listen, you want to fix this economy, man?

[Clay Travis]

The number one driver is diesel fuel. I keep hearing everybody say gas prices are down. Does not matter.

[Caller/Listener]

Fixed diesel fuel. You will change the logistics and the transportation. You will, you will impact the economy tomorrow.

[Buck Sexton]

Trump could do this tomorrow.

[Clay Travis]

Brian in Aurora, Colorado. Mm.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, Clay and Buck, this is Brian from Aurora, Colorado. I like that idea of having, like, a dating center for Clay and Buck listeners for just whatever. That would be kind of sweet, man. I think that could happen.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm just gonna tell you I'm a fabulous matchmaker. Fabulous. Telling you very good at this. So we could be onto something.

[Clay Travis]

Friday edition of the program coming tomorrow. Load up those talk facts. We'll see you then.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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