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Buck Sexton
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast. Welcome in third hour of Clay and Buck. Just Buck today, Clay taking a day to do important stuff up in Michigan. Our friend Carol Markowitz joins us now. She is on the Clay and Buck Podcast network with the Carol Markowitz Show. Also, she teams up with Mary Kathryn Ham on normally. And normally she would be making jokes at Clay's expense about football and the Tennessee Titans. But Carol, I must warn you in advance, they will go over my head like a football pass meant for a receiver that he cannot catch. I have no idea what is going on, but if you say something, maybe Clay is listening and so he'll catch it.
Carol Markowitz
Well, I think he knows what I'm going to say, so I'll, I'll just keep it at that. But I actually love that you're not super into sports. There's something very, very charming about that.
Buck Sexton
I appreciate that. Thank you. My wife appreciates that on Sundays, like, we just generally hang out. And she always says to me, she goes, you know, you don't watch sports all day. And I like that. So I feel like I get some, some bonus points from her on that one. You know what? I'll take it. I'll take them where I can get them.
Carol Markowitz
My husband, Jimmy Kim, early on and turned it into a family day. So, you know.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, that's a good, that's a good way to do it. Look, I used to watch football. To be, to be totally clear on this, I used to watch football when I lived at home with my dad and my brothers. So I, I watched in the early two. I also used to watch a lot of basketball with them, but that was like family together. Right? So that to me is, is a, is a fun way to do it. But for me, just watching alone because Carrie doesn't like watching sports on tv and so it doesn't really have the same resonance for me. So anyway, Clay will be back. You can talk football with him when he is very excited for that one. Jimmy Kimmel. Speaking of things, I don't watch Jimmy Kimmel. Well, I guess nobody's watching right now, but he's running. Run into some trouble. What do you make of all the hubbub around this? All the hullabaloo? People are upset. They're saying, oh, my gosh, cancel culture. You know, Brian Stelter is, you know, getting. He's getting a meltdown about it. Very sad.
Carol Markowitz
Yeah. You know, I think that a lot of this is that conservatives have been correctly feeling a lot of rage and sadness since the Charlie Kirk assassination. And the left has been kind of quiet because they know that it was a leftist responsible, and they know that their side is continuing to behave in a very violent fashion. And nobody's stopping it, nobody's slowing it down. So they finally found something that they could rally around, like, oh, getting rid of Jimmy Kimmel is the greatest First Amendment violation ever. When, of course, it has nothing to do with the First Amendment. And it. Because he lied on television and his bosses asked him to apologize and he refused to. And that's what would happen to any of us if we lied on our show and our bosses told us to apologize and we didn't, we'd be out of a show, too.
Buck Sexton
Well, I just. To me, this is so straightforward, and yet I. The way people talk about this, and I understand their motivations for it, I also think a big part of it is they just. They need to get their own side to not be talking about their reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination anymore, because they're getting. It's worse than every day that passes, and there's still some maniac saying something horrible about Charlie's death. That shows what these people are really like and what they really think. You know, the normies. You know, you do that show, normally the normies are not liking this. They're not liking what they're seeing. But I also just feel like, what would the rules be, Carol, in a world where Jimmy Kimmel gets his way? So does that mean he can just say absolutely anything and he can't be fired? Like, I don't understand what the Outer Limits are supposed to be.
Carol Markowitz
Right. Absolutely. You know, in 2021, Brian Stelter, when CNN was trying to go after Fox News cable carriers, he said, reducing a liar's reach is not the same as censoring freedom of speech.
Buck Sexton
Oh, we played that in the first hour, just so you know.
Carol Markowitz
Yeah, that's. I mean, that is a classic Brian Stelterism, because obviously it didn't matter then. It didn't matter at all what the freedom of speech guidelines were. I don't know. The thing is that Jimmy Kimmel has, for so many years had that free rein. He's blamed Republicans for mass shootings. And he didn't mean, like, Republican politicians. He specifically said Republican voters He has said so many vile and disgusting things, and he's so deeply unfunny that I think that his ratings continue to decrease. I think that they just decided now is a good time to get rid of him. And if he refuses to apologize, refuses to kind of talk to the audience that they're trying to reach, they don't need him.
Buck Sexton
And yet if you saw Stephen Colbert, he says that we are all Jimmy Kimmel. To which I just have to say, no, only those two clowns.
Carol Markowitz
Yeah, I don't feel like Jimmy Kimmel at all. I definitely try to tell my audience the truth, and I think that that's something that he specifically was not doing. He was lying to his audience on purpose. He knew that the shooter of Charlie Kirk wasn't a leftist. By the time that he said that it was. I'm sorry. That it was a leftist by the time he said that MAGA was trying to pretend that it wasn't a MAGA person who shot Charlie, it was already days and days into it when we all knew the reality of it. He was spreading a conspiracy theory on his show. I'm completely glad that he got in trouble for it because that's the right thing to do. And this idea that the FCC was trying to get rid of him, they warned the network, sure, because he lied. But other than that, they didn't really do anything to move him out of his job or do anything like that. That was Disney. That was abc. That was them deciding to make. Make that call.
Buck Sexton
Yes. And as I noted on the show yesterday, Carol, the Supreme Court made it very clear that unless you can prove a direct, like, causal effect from the private, instead of the private company or private entity in resulting from the government pressure and a government action to cause it, they don't really care. They're like. They're like, you know, if the government just says, hey, we'd like you to do this, and you choose to do it now. Look, I'm not sure I agree with that Supreme Court decision. I'm just saying that's the law of the land. That's what they decided. So those are the rules that we're operating under right now. We're speaking to Carol Markowitz, everybody. She, of course, does the Carol Markowood show, which is fantastic. And you can listen to it on the Clay and Buck podcast network. And, you know, I think, Carol, as we're seeing this continue to play out, there's been a big change in the overall corporate response mechanism to what is, you know, what used to get what they used to be able to get away with as a. As a partisan Democrat on tv. And what I think is gonna be possible for them, at least in the foreseeable future, is different. And I think this is a good thing. I think we should all celebrate this. Like anybody who sees a problem with this, I feel like I've been fighting for this for 15 years.
Carol Markowitz
Yeah, absolutely. It's been a major vibe shift since Donald Trump was reelected. And it's good. It's good for all of us to be involved in culture. I can't remember the last time that I watched network tv. Maybe something brings me back at some point. Maybe something brings a lot of conservatives this back at some point. You know, the idea that half the country is being alienated by what your host is saying, that's a real problem for these networks. And for so long, they didn't care because, you know, the mission mattered more than anything else. But eventually the bottom line starts to matter and there's more outlets, more podcasters, more different, you know, personalities go to YouTube and et cetera, and other places. They're going to have to fight for audience share. And the way to do that is not to insult and lie to your audience and have half the country hate you. And the truth is that Jimmy Kimmel has been this. And Stephen Colbert, very partisan, deeply unfunny. Nothing good about their delivery at all. They're both just there to send a leftist message, and it's one that has managed to reduce their audience size. The network just simply can't have that anymore.
Buck Sexton
You know, Carol, you're one of my. Carol's a good friend of mine. I think a lot of you listening know that you've seen, like, photos of us online and stuff. You know, Carol's husband and my wife, and we all hang out and go to dinner. So we know each other on a personal level. Level. And you're one of my parent gurus, right? Like, I'll. I'll ask you about parent stuff because I think you are a totally devoted mom. And it's true. Devoted. My. She's had to calm me down about the whole babysitter thing, where I'm like, I'm gonna trust somebody else. Like, I would do anything for my son, but, like, I'm gonna trust somebody else to watch my. She's like, it's okay, it's okay. You know, it's a good person, good referrals. You can, like, leave the baby for a couple of hours. So that's been very helpful. I appreciate that. I've Gotten good at, you know, the bottles and the diaper changing and all this. Like, you know, my. My baby. My baby dad skills are pretty solid. But I wanted to ask you about this part of it because I think this applies to a lot of the people listening online stuff with kids these days.
Carol Markowitz
Yeah.
Buck Sexton
How you've got two boys and a girl, you could tell everybody their ages. I roughly know they're like young teens. Right. But yeah. How do you keep your kids? I don't know what I'll say. Like, not just safe on the Internet from, you know, the bad people who are out there, but I mean, from the influences on the Internet. Like, how do you monitor that? What's. What's the game plan?
Carol Markowitz
We have a lot of very open conversations about our values and that kind of thing. That's huge to us. But on a practical level, they're not allowed to be on TikTok at all. I have 15, 12 and nine. And I would tell you that the nine year old is actually most interested. He wants be on TikTok. He wants to see the videos and all of that. He's also my girl crazy one, which is, you know, I'm gonna have to watch him real closely. So, you know, it really depends on the kids. My older two, I would say are more like super nerdy. And the stuff that they're following and watching I consider pretty safe. Nevertheless, we do limit. And if we find that they're not following our rules, which we haven't found yet, they would get cut off from all Internet usage. We don't play in our house, but I would say that open line of communication, make sure that you're telling your kids about the dangers. They're not allowed to chat with anybody in any game. I don't care if even like, you know, look behind you, somebody's coming chatting aloud with strangers.
Buck Sexton
Wait, do you. Carol, you're breaking up. You're breaking up a little bit there, but I just. So if you can try to get, you know, get to a better spot as to the connection. But in the meantime, were you familiar with this Twitch thing? I had kind of heard about it before and. And now I'm hearing that there's huge ecosystems of young people online. Like massive hundreds of thousands of them will watch people playing video games and talk to each other. I don't even know about this.
Carol Markowitz
Yeah, so it is huge. I've heard about it before. It is scary because obviously they could talk to anyone, which is, again, you have to have rules. Be the parent. Parent your children and don't listen to what, you know, anybody else is telling you. Like, oh, all the kids do this. It's ok, everybody's on this. No, your, your kids, your rules and keep those rules tight. My kids are not allowed to talk to any trainers at all online. You have to maintain that for your kids.
Buck Sexton
I think that's a very, I mean, that's a very good place to start. What do you think about, about smartphone? Like when, when do they get a, do you have sort of tiered, you know, phone access for when they get a full scale smartphone? Or you know, because I think they have some that are like limited. Again, I'm still in the bottles and diaper phase, so this is a little early for me. But for the people listening who have kids who are 12 or you know, 11, like when, how do you do that?
Carol Markowitz
You really, you have to judge the kid for themselves. Because again, my 15 and 12 year old, like I could have trusted them with phones when they were like 5 or 6. But my 9 year old has to be monitored and you have to know your kid. So I would say do it from whatever age feels right to you with your individual kid. So the other thing I would just add is a lot of times people talk to me about losing their kids once they go to college to leftist ideology. Tell your kids your values. Tell them, say the words, tell them what you want them to think. Tell them how you think. Explain to them what your family believes in. There's nothing wrong with that. I think a lot of people on the right don't think that they should be kind of convincing their kids different opinions. My opinions are the right one. That's what I want my kids to understand. I want them to take those opinions and have them as their own.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, I totally, I totally hear that. I mean, people ask me like, you went to Amherst, Buck, 20 years ago. Like, how did you come out? Because I was like, I showed up. I was like, these people are all nuts. It wasn't some hard thing for me. I was like, my mom and dad taught me well. I looked around like these people are living in a fantasy land. So Daryl Markowitz everybody, Parenting guru and podcast host. And when's the next normally episode?
Carol Markowitz
Normally comes out on Tuesdays and Thursdays anywhere. You get your podcast, Carol Markowitz show Wednesdays and Fridays.
Buck Sexton
There you go. Go check it out. Carol does great stuff. Carol, give shy big hug. Hug for me. Good to see you or good to talk to you.
Carol Markowitz
Thank you, Buck. Thanks.
Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Get some calls and talk backs here momentarily. Always great to hear from our friend Carol Markowitz. She does that great work. I really think you should go check out the Clay and Buck podcast network. You will find so many fantastic hosts there. I mean we really curated with people that we know, do great content, are great people and do really enjoyable shows. Dave Rutherford there, former Navy Seal, All American badass. Just a great guy, great, great dad and husband friend of mine spent a lot of time training me out on the range. I appreciate him very much. And then you've got Tudor Dixon who's just, you know, a superstar in her own right and you got Carol Markowitz, who does that show with Mary Katherine Ham. You got Lisa Booth, you all know from Fox News. You got great, great people. So go subscribe to Clay and Buck podcast network. This is a quick one. We got A E on the talk back here from Mississippi. Play it. Hey, Buck with Christy single, you can give my number. I live in Bank, Mississippi would be great. I think, I think, I think this guy, Christy, our caller from Utah, I think this guy wants to know if you're single as one of the first times that's happened here. So I don't know, I don't know how many love connections we have made on the Clay and Buck show. I, when it was the Buck Sexton show, I was doing solo years ago. There were, there was, there were, there was a marriage that happened among the audience. This is a real thing. I'm very proud of it, very proud of it. So sometimes people are brought together by shared interest, including shared interest in audio. But I don't think we've ever, I don't know, that's, that's, that's a component of this that we've never done is matchmaking among the patriots in our audience. We have, what do we have here? Oh, yes, an email in from. Well, I'll read you what it says. From Gary, I'm a retired psychiatrist. In the late 1970s, if you wanted to transition sexes, you had to live as the opposite gender for two years and have two years of psychotherapy before any medical professional would give you hormones or consider any surgery. By 2015, I had kids with their parents come into my office who had simply gone to an endocrinologist and said they wanted hormones and got them without any questions. Nothing against Caitlyn Jenner, but that changed everything. Kids who were probably only homosexual became convinced they needed a sex change. I mean, you're the doc. But that tracks with everything that I've read and heard about on this issue, which is that they have just completely without any explanation or data to support any of this just because of the emotions of the left wing movement on it. They have changed all the rules, they've changed all the terminology, they've changed everything. And there's that famous case of the, or instance of the longtime head of the Johns Hopkins Gender Transition Surgery Center. And he, and he had written, I think the Wall Street Journal and other places, an older guy and he had just said, look, these surgeries, the long term outcomes, it's really, long term outcomes are really bad and this is not a good thing. And he, of Course, got death threats and had to like not be in public anymore because he was telling people the truth. So I think that tells you a lot right there. If your cell phone services with AT&T Verizon or T Mobile time you switch to PureTalk, my wireless provider. Pure Talk's coverage is on the same towers and network as the big companies, but at a much lower price point. For just 25 bucks a month, you can get unlimited talk, text and plenty of data on America's most dependable 5G network. Calculate the money you're likely to save. It is fantastic. Plus you can keep your phone and your number. 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And that's why if I know that somebody is a leftist, I can already know all these things about them, them one and the other. They always go together. The characteristics and the political affiliation. And AOC is a perfect example of this. And maybe she's the pinnacle of this in many ways. But instead of grace, instead of, oh, I don't know, just basic respect, she, when she speaks about the recently assassinated Charlie Kirk, had this to say play 21.
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Buck Sexton
So, yeah, the House and the Senate have approved a resolution to honor Charlie Kirk. And this has gone to a. It's a ceremonial measure, something that Charlie clearly deserves and I'm glad that they're doing it. But Democrats are standing against it, although 100 rock and fell Democrats joined. So there's that. There are some Democrats that went along with it. 310 to 58 on that one. AOC, it seems, has a problem with it. Notice the words that she chooses to use here. Saying things like he is, well, first of all, uneducated and ignorant. It's one thing to disagree with Charlie, but to suggest that he is uneducated on politics is to announce the stupidity of the person making the claim. He clearly, no matter what you think of his positions, and obviously I agree with this position's you, but I just mean if we're trying to look at this from an objective reality, this is a guy who knew politics and history and at a very impressive level. And that's coming from a guy who also honestly knows those things that are pretty high level. So I think I know what I'm talking about. He was very skilled on in those areas. And what's even more galling I think about this is AOC is not, you know, this is like a, a junior high school basketball player saying that this guy who was in the NBA can't shoot one is way out of, you know, depth on this. Now I understand AOC also very famous social media personality, but she's talking about education level and she's talking about ignorance. Remember, ignorance would be, you don't know, you don't know the things. It's not that you're choosing the wrong formulation or ignorance is different than wisdom. Ignorance is. You just, well, you're ignorant. You don't even know what you don't know. To say that Charlie is ignorant is the kind of criticism you could only make about him if you knew nothing about him. Which maybe that's true of aoc, or you're just a brainless demagogue, which is definitely true of aoc. And then she says to disenfranchise people. This is one of these words, you know, whenever you hear that, you should remember this. It's not like Charlie was, you know, she doesn't mean that just in the context of like voting rights issues, but they try to hijack the language of the great moral peak, if you will, of the Democrat Party today is still supposed to be the civil rights movement, even though they've totally Rewritten the. I know the Democrats are the party of slavery and segregation and Jim Crow, and, you know, Eisenhower was the one who actually moved first to do some of the biggest things in civil rights, and he was a Republican. So. But just we'll forget it. Forget about that debate for a second, because we could do that all. We could do that all day. She says disenfranchised because it is meant to evoke certain feelings of revulsion from the Democrats listening and moral superiority from. He's disenfranchising people. But even more than that, how. And think about this. She's claiming he's disenfranchising people when his primary vehicle for reaching the public was inviting people onto a stage, onto a platform with him for that exchange of ideas. In fact, what Charlie was doing was offering to enfranchise anybody who was willing to come up to a microphone, and the left killed him for it. But that is what he was doing, saying, let's have this. Let's have this debate, let's have this discussion. He didn't call people names, he didn't curse at them. None of that. Let's just talk about this and let's see if the best ideas can win. And, you know, even if the best ideas don't win, it's a good thing to have spent the time to hear the other side. You know, I'll tell you one thing that you learn pretty quickly in a marriage, and, you know, I mean, I've learned this too, is that it's not always about who's right. In fact, a lot of the time, it's not really about who's right in a marriage. It's about the willingness to hear each other out and do so with respect and the closeness and the trust that that process brings. Right? I don't need my wife, and hopefully she doesn't need me to always say, you know, you're right, I'm right, who's right? You know, it's not, let's talk about this. And then that alone, if it's done the right way, is helpful. And I mean, I think that there's some truth to that in politics as well. Politics is not the same as in marriage, but it's not always about getting the end result you want. Just going through that process and respecting that process can be a very positive thing. It creates trust. It creates open lines of communication. It creates a sense that we have a forum to address this and other things. As I force that forum, in the case of Charlie was stolen from us by a psycho Murderer. But it was very powerful to have that. It was very powerful to have a place where people could go and be heard. And I think for a lot of them, and there were people that spoke out, even who disagreed with Charlie, who were students and such, who said, you know, I, I respected that he was willing to do that. You know, it's, it's been the case for a long time at these campus speeches. And I, I wanted to say this earlier, so I'm going to just put a pin in what I was about to say because we're running, I'm running out of show and I have about 3 hours more show in my head to do. Don't worry, I'm not going to put it all on your, on your plate today. But why is it that if I asked any of you to show me a, in the last, I would go so far as to say the last 20 years, show me a left wing speaker who has been subjected to serious threats, violence and intimidation on a college campus anywhere in America. None of us could come up with one. Off the top of our heads. None of us could come up with one. And why is it that if even the most vile and man, are there some vile left wingers out there, the most vile, incendiary, you know, race baiting, communist lunatic, somebody that AOC would think is fantastic, by the way, why is it that that person could go speak not only at any college, that person could go, not that I don't think they would. It's one thing to platform somebody. I want to be clear. And that's not always, you know, you shouldn't invite, you know, you shouldn't invite Osama bin Laden to come speak at your university. He's dead. So you get what I'm saying, right? I'm not saying just invite anybody. But I can tell you this. If there was somebody who had very, who was necessary for the conversation, let's say, oh, here perfect example. Here, perfect example. If Ketanji Brown Jackson was invited to speak at Hillsdale College, why is it that we all know. And by the way, maybe she, I mean she very well could be Supreme Court Justice. So that's why I didn't want to say some crazy left winger and somebody says, well, they would never be invited. Catanji Brown Jackson could be invited to speak at Hillsdale College and would know that she would be treated, that she would be treated with respect, that she would be able to speak, that they wouldn't try to drown her out, that there wouldn't be people, you know, dressed up outside in, you know, animal costumes and banging drums and doing all kinds of crazy stuff to create a. You know, that wouldn't happen. There would be respect offered. Now, Hillsdale is a conservative and traditional college. So I just. But that. We all know that you know it and I know it. And yet, for example, I went to Amherst and Justice Scalia, when I was there, spoke. I know this is a while ago, but it was a zoo. Oh, my gosh, people in the political science department boycotted it and the professors and everything. And. Oh, and people were, you know, banging cowbells and it was a total, just madness. This is not a both sides thing. They embrace this because it's who they are. Fundamentally, this is what the left. This is what the Democrat Party has become. And that's why you run through these examples in your head and you go, hold on a second, by the way, there are people that were dressed up at that. At that Scalia speech who are in duck costumes. Because the big scandal of the day, some you remember, was that Scalia had gone duck hunting with Dick Cheney at some. Some ranch or something somewhere. And so that was a schedule they did. It just. They were both there. They both went duck hunting. And that was a big scandal. So there was people in duck costumes outside, like. But this is the stuff that they do. It is our cultures, the right and the left in this country, the political cultures are different. And we need to be very clear on this. Yes, we know, but we can't allow them to pretend that this is something that we both have to work on or. No, no. We are the ones who do things with some respect and civility, and they simply do not. And that's why when AOC is saying something like, charlie Kirk is ignorant and uneducated. Okay, like, on what? Also, I know some of you already thinking this. If there would be such a thing as a mercy rule in a debate, if we could have had Charlie and AOC on a stage together, first of all, it would have been amazing viewing. I mean, I would have been there with the popcorn and the whole thing, and it would have been an absolute butt kicking. And we all know that, and I think AOC even knows that. So for him to call Charlie, for her, rather to call Charlie ignorant and uneducated is just so. There's so much chutzpah there. There's so much dishonesty there, and I just couldn't let it go. And she is going to be the standard bearer for the Democrats, for a big part of the Democrats going forward. This is what we are going to be up against. So get ready for it. A person who is, who is very politically savvy in her own way. In her own way, she gets the branding, she gets the presentation. Yes, she's an airhead, but doesn't mean she's not going to be a problem. Look at what she's already been able to accomplish. Yeah, she doesn't understand reality and policy and history, but you know, who doesn't? Neither Maduro in Venezuela like that. Some of the people that there are, there are more on thugs who run entire countries. Ok. 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Tickets. Close enough. Shop here on Clay and Buck for the weekend VIP email from Pamela Pardon me, May we have a guest appearance in the studio of Ginger or Speed? Feels like it's been forever and I think we could all use a moment for some fun. Or maybe next week if their social calendar is full today. Well, it turns out I have miss Ginger Spice right here in my lap. For those of you who are watching on the feed or watching at home and she is, she would just. Daddy just gave her a bath yesterday, so she's very fluffy today. Hello, my Fluffy. She's very fluffy. She's a good girl. Speed is taking a nap, so I, I can't, I can't wake Speed up right now. But I do bring you Ginger Spice because you're on Clay and Buck. We're in the fan service business and you ask and we deliver. So. And you can check it out on the YouTube channel. Go to the YouTube channel, by the way, at Clay and Buck, when you go to YouTube, search for @ Clay and Buck. Please subscribe. We're going to be doing more and more cool videos and things for YouTube in, in the year ahead. And yeah, we're gonna have all kinds of fun stuff going on. Geralyn in Los Angeles, what's going on?
Carol Markowitz
I am a real life Twitch streamer and you didn't leave me a lot of time, but I was calling to tell you how it works. So basically it's kind of like YouTube but live action. So I as a streamer can have a channel where I go on live and a lot of people play video games, but some people use it for other activities. There are some professional Dungeons and Dragons players on there who like stream their games. There are people who even show their knitting. There are people who just get on the chats and whatever. And so as a viewer you can go on and communicate with other viewers in the chat if I as the presenter have left the chat option on. But it's not quite, it's not quite like everyone can just talk to everyone else. It's more of a presentation presentation where I am presenting my content and then everyone can watch and they can interact with each other and me in the chat and leave comments and that kind of thing.
Buck Sexton
I like video games. Would I like Twitch?
Carol Markowitz
Yeah, you totally would if you enjoy watching other people play. Can I plug my channel?
Buck Sexton
Sure, because you're closing up. Go ahead. Nope, nope. I don't. Sorry, I tried. On the front lines of Truth.
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Stop.
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Hour 3: Not a Both Sides Thing
Date: September 19, 2025
Host: Buck Sexton (Clay Travis out)
Guest: Carol Markowitz
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts
This hour of “The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show” features Buck Sexton solo in the host chair, joined by guest Carol Markowitz. The discussion navigates current hot-button issues in news, politics, and culture with a specific focus on the fallout surrounding Jimmy Kimmel’s public controversy and firing, the cultural and political aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, online influences on children and parenting in the digital era, and the polarization of political discourse in America. The episode is marked by sharp, often humorous commentary, with candid insights on cancel culture, media hypocrisy, parenting values, and generational culture clashes.
[03:38-10:05]
“If we lied on our show and our bosses told us to apologize and we didn’t, we’d be out of a show, too.”
—Carol Markowitz [05:05]
“In 2021, Brian Stelter … said, ‘Reducing a liar’s reach is not the same as censoring freedom of speech.’”
—Carol Markowitz [06:43]
[08:51-10:05]
[11:12-16:05]
“Your kids, your rules, and keep those rules tight.”
—Carol Markowitz [13:57]
—Carol Markowitz [14:48]
[21:03-25:30]
[25:30-38:00]
“Charlie was offering to enfranchise anybody willing to come up to a microphone, and the left killed him for it ... He didn't call people names, he didn't curse at them—none of that. Let's just talk about this.”
—Buck Sexton [27:19]
“This is not a both sides thing. We are the ones who do things with some respect and civility, and they simply do not.”
—Buck Sexton [38:00]
“The idea that half the country is being alienated by what your host is saying, that’s a real problem for these networks… Eventually the bottom line starts to matter.”
—Carol Markowitz [10:05]
“If there would be such a thing as a mercy rule in a debate, if we could have had Charlie and AOC on a stage together… it would have been an absolute butt kicking. We all know that. And I think AOC even knows that.”
—Buck Sexton [37:50]
[45:16-46:41]
The episode balances sharp political critique with conversations about cultural trends and family life, offering listeners not just the latest take on headline news but also actionable advice and relatable moments. The central throughline: don’t accept the “both sides” narrative when it comes to cancel culture, ideological hate, or violence—there is a real and widening divide in how each political camp treats discourse, respect, and dissent.