Hour 3 - Number One Goal of Society

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 - Number One Goal of Society
Date: December 15, 2025
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This episode focuses on the critical importance of security as the foundational goal of any society, with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton discussing recent events illustrating this point. Key topics include the state of the US economy and deficit, the shooting at Brown University, generational societal challenges, left-wing policy critiques, the rise of anti-Semitism, and the pressing need for effective security in Western societies. The hosts intertwine news analysis with personal anecdotes, caller input, expert guest commentary, and forceful opinions delivered with a mix of intelligence and humor.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. State of the Economy and Deficit

Timestamps: [02:36]–[05:36]

• Buck and Clay react to economic data

  • National Economic Council's claim: US deficit will be $600 billion lower than last year.
  • Trump’s comments on tariffs and economic achievements play as a clip ([04:52]).
  • Quote:
    “Speaking of holes getting deeper and deeper, we're gonna be at $40 trillion of debt before Trump's term is up. That is, unfortunately, the financial reality we face.”
    —Buck Sexton [02:36]
  • Economic optimism tempered by skepticism about the political will to address the national deficit.
  • Elon Musk cited as advocating "growing our way out of this"; Buck and Clay question the practicality and political appetite for real deficit reduction.

• Clay’s verdict:

  “The economy is going to be really good. The deficits were screwed...No one wants their benefits cut. No one wants to pay higher taxes. We are in a society that is aging. And so the idea that somehow we're going to create surpluses going forward and pay it back, I'm just incredibly skeptical that the dynamics will allow that to be true.”
  —Clay Travis [05:36]

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2. Security and Societal Challenges

Timestamps: [06:00]–[16:21]

• Brown University shooting as a microcosm of societal security failures

  • A deadly on-campus shooting exposes failures in university and local policing and lapses in campus security measures.
  • Clay reasons:

    “Number one goal of any society has to be to provide security to the people that live there. Because if there is not security, then all of the other things can't follow.”
    —Clay Travis [09:50]

• Examples of recent tragedies and security lapses

  • Brown University shooting: unresolved, perpetrator uncaught after 48 hours.
  • Bondi Beach terror attack in Australia: highlighted as a generational battle for the future of Western civilization.
  • Murder of prominent individuals: all point to societal instability.

• Clay draws links between recent violence, ideological failures, and the erosion of Western norms.

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3. University Security: Policy and Reality

Timestamps: [10:42]–[16:21]; [25:16]–[29:58]

• Campus prohibition of firearms and its consequences

  • Buck details Brown University’s strict ban: “They prohibit paintball guns, slingshots, knives with a blade longer than 3 inches, and any toy firearm that could be potentially perceived as real.” [10:42]
  • Asks: “Where was law enforcement during the shooting?” [11:57]
  • Both hosts highlight how “gun-free zones” may make campuses more vulnerable, as criminals don't follow these rules.

• Quote:

  “All a gun free zone on a college campus does is make sure that there is no chance of a trained and armed civilian being able to defend himself or herself...”
  —Buck Sexton [13:53]

• Security staff effectiveness questioned

  • “What value is an unarmed security guard when you have a maniac running around shooting people?”
    —Buck Sexton [12:50]
  • Clay notes the steep tuition/board costs — “just shy of $100,000 a year” — without corresponding security.

• Caller ‘Frank from Kentucky’ (Law Enforcement) Provides Perspective

  • Explains university police understaffing, administrative limitations, and lack of proactive policing due to institutional culture.
  • “Universities are not near as safe as people are led to believe.” —Frank [27:24]

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4. The Challenge of Catching Violent Criminals

Timestamps: [29:37]–[32:29]

• Discussion of notable escapes by assailants in high-profile incidents:

  • Brown University shooter remains at-large despite 800+ cameras.
  • References to Times Square bomber, Trump attempted assassin, Charlie Kirk attempted assassin—all evaded immediate police response.
  • “You think, oh, it's Times Square. All the cops and everything. They're like, no. If you get a head start, you never know.”
    —Buck Sexton [29:59]

• Surveillance limitations:

  • Clay: “You could still see nothing. They have 800 cameras on campus now. Maybe some of these cameras are inoperable and they're more for show than they are for actual detection of crime or danger on campus.” [38:08]

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5. The Global Threat of Anti-Semitism & Need for Unity

Timestamps: [39:56]–[44:05]

• Guest: Yael Eckstein, International Fellowship of Christians and Jews

  • Discusses Bondi Beach terror attack; sees it as part of a “global threat of darkness that hates light.”
  • Calls for unity between Jews and Christians to combat rising anti-Semitism and civilizational decay.
  • Quote:

    “When I see the terror attacks that are happening around the world, my heart breaks. But it's not surprising. And the message that's very clear to me is that it's not isolated...We are in this together. It is a global threat of darkness that hates light.”
    —Yael Eckstein [39:56]

• Australia’s (and the world’s) handling of anti-Semitism:

  • “They have not done a good job at trying to stop the anti Semitism that's been growing over the years. ...I think we have to stop relying on the government and we have to do whatever we can, the little bit each one of us can to go out and do it in order to bring comfort and hope.”
    —Yael Eckstein [41:30–42:49]

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6. Memorable Quotes & Perspectives

• On the core purpose of government:

  • “If there is not security, then all of the other things can't follow. You can't have a functional economy if people aren't safe to be able to live within the structure of that country.” —Clay Travis [09:50]

• On the “illusion” of campus safety:

  • “I would never have believed that you could walk into an Ivy League campus with a gun, shoot up a building, and the guy can walk off campus. ...We may never know who did it.”
    —Clay Travis [28:08]

• On individual responsibility:

  • “There's no more. We don't have the luxury of staying silent anymore. ...We have to go to the public square and say, we stand for life. We stand for freedom.”
    —Yael Eckstein [43:00]

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7. Lighter Moments & Cultural Commentary

Timestamps: [24:26]–[25:16]; [34:11]

• Brief banter about Clay’s controversial takes on music (disparaging R&B):
  • “Why would we add more darkness by embracing the worst music that has been created in the last 25 or so years? R and B music.”
    —Clay Travis [24:26]
• NFL moment: “Grandpa” Phillip Rivers comes out of retirement for a touchdown; PrizePicks app uses a Joe Biden photo for Rivers for comic effect.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:36] Economic update & deficit discussion
• [04:52] Trump clip on tariffs and revenue
• [09:50] The argument for security as the “number one goal of society”
• [10:42] Brown University shooting: Security policies breakdown
• [12:50] Value (or lack thereof) of unarmed security
• [13:53] Gun-free zone critique
• [25:16] Call-in from Frank (former campus law enforcement officer)
• [29:59] Times Square bombing recounted
• [38:08] Surveillance failures on Brown campus
• [39:56] Yael Eckstein interview: Terror, anti-Semitism, and global unity
• [43:00] Yael Eckstein rallying call for standing up for life and freedom

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Concluding Thoughts

Through interconnected news stories and commentary, Clay and Buck argue powerfully that societal security is indispensable — the cornerstone upon which economic strength, civic life, and freedom rest. Failures in campus security, slow police response, and the rise of anti-Semitic violence are seen as symptomatic of a broader institutional hesitance to confront hard realities and defend foundational Western values. Guest Yael Eckstein calls for practical action and solidarity across faiths, warning against complacency. Throughout, the hosts blend sober analysis with humor and cultural references, making for a lively, engaging hour on the precarious state of security — and what’s at stake if America ignores it.

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Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Third hour of clay and Buck kicks off now. Thank you for being here with us everyone. Let's talk the economy for a few minutes. We'll get back into the swing of things here on the news front after Clay's scandalous takes on music, which we'll get to those talk backs later this hour. Keep him coming, people. Don't, don't let him, don't let him stop digging just because the hole keeps getting deeper and deeper, but let's get it. Speaking of holes getting deeper and deeper, we're gonna be at $40 trillion of debt before Trump's term is up. That is, unfortunately, the financial reality we face. However, however, it is the holiday or it's the holiday time and we'd like to bring you some at least somewhat encouraging news whenever we can about the economy. Here is, for example, National Economic Council director. He was on Face the Nation saying. This is Kevin Hassen. It's saying that there will be a 600 billion. There will be $600 billion less in added to the deficit this year, or rather in the deficit this year than last year. Play five.

[Clay Travis]

We've got deficit going way, way down. So right now it's looking like the deficit for this year will be $600 billion lower than it was last year.

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That really helps lower inflation.

[Clay Travis]

We've got the trade deficit cut in half. And so all of these things are things that should continue to move us towards the fed target of 2%.

[Buck Sexton]

So that means that we could see continued rate cuts. That means that things are, I think, moving in the right direction. It's a massive challenge, the overall debt and our cycle of overspending. But Trump is, this administration is taking action. And there's also the tariffs component of this. This is cut 22. TRUMP ON Sunday was at a Christmas reception and he was taking a bit of a victory lap here on what he says is the income from, I assume, Clay, this is tariffs as well as commitments to invest because the tariff number is not 18 trillion. But tariffs slash investment commitments in the US from countries like South Korea and others. This is cut 22. Play it.

[Donald Trump (clip)]

Without the November 5th election, you would have had a president that didn't have the courage to use tariffs the way they should be used. And because of the tariffs, we've taken in more than 18. Think of this $18 trillion. There's never been anything like it. As an example, the previous administration, sleepy Joe Biden took in less than 1 trillion in four years. We took in more than 18 trillion in 10 months. I'd say that's pretty good, right? I'd say that's pretty good. And if you go back, if you go back into history, there's never been a country that's taken in more than $3 trillion.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, what do you make of it? Things to be at least feeling Optimistic about with this economy.

[Clay Travis]

The economy is going to be really good. The deficits were screwed. And I just. You and I have talked about this a lot in the five years that we've been on this show nearly together. There is no willingness or recognition to acknowledge the threat that exists when it comes to growing deficit. And I think Elon may have said it best, Buck, when he just basically threw up at his hands and said, we've got to grow our way out of this. And grow our way out of this means that the economy has to grow fast enough that we can start to reverse the tide of these deficits. And Elon is actually optimistic that we're going to be able to do it with AI Fingers crossed. But no one wants their benefits cut. No one wants to pay higher taxes. We are in a society that is aging. And so the idea that somehow we're going to create surpluses going forward and pay it back, I'm just incredibly skeptical that the dynamics will allow that to be true. And so I. I think all of these challenges are coming together. I said as we went to break, so let's be positive here as we come up on the end of the first year, I think that two things can be true simultaneously. Trump has had one of the most successful years of a presidency that has ever existed in any of our lives. I really do believe that. I think he deserves an A rating. He solved everything at the border. Crime, generally speaking, has come down. But we remain in a situation where the bigger threat for generational issues is the deficit that we have created. And one of the challenges associated with the deficit, Buck, is everybody has to be agreed to be pulling in the same direction. And I actually think this ties in with some of the challenges that we are seeing being brought to bear across the country. Shooting at Brown University. We do not know who the shooter was. If you watch the video, looks to be someone clad, a male, basically likely clad in all black, walking away. The fact that they cannot catch that person is a symptom of failure in policing, in my opinion, given all the security that exists on Brown's campus, that this was allowed to occur and that someone could open fire and get away like this is, is. Is a failure on all facets. What we just saw happen in Bondi, I think, is an evidence of the generational battle that we are fighting for the future of Western civilization. When you have people that are acculturated in some way, have spent a generation or more living in Australia, and yet they want to kill innocent Jews more than they want to take advantage of the abundance and opportunity that western freedoms bring to bear. Also, I think you look at, unfortunately, the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle. They were murdered by their son. All of these stories are awful. That happened over the weekend. Probably the three biggest stories that we've been talking about during the course of today's show. And they all kind of tie into me, Buck, with the number one goal of any society has to be to provide security to the people that live there. Because if there is not security, then all of the other things can't follow. You can't have a functional economy if people aren't safe to be able to live within the structure of that country. And I think they represent all of them on different levels. Left wing failures, frankly. And I think we're going to see these all interconnected. Still remains to be seen what the motive is of the Brown shooter. The Brown University shooter, we should mention. I was just in Birmingham, Buck. Ella Cook, one of the victims that was killed by this shooter at Brown University was the vice president of the College Republicans. You know a little bit about this because you were conservative and you went to an east coast school. There's hardly any outspoken public college Republicans in general on many of these campuses. Ella Cook seems to have been a unique voice for good, well liked by many people on campus and willing to stand up for political opinions which are in a substantial minority. And we remain to see whether there was any sort of connection as to why these people were killed, their two dead kids. But I do think that all of this awfulness coming as it does on the precipice of the holiday season, I think you can go and look at all of it. And rooted in failure to provide security for people who live in Western civilization.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, let's look at some of the security failure there. Brown University campus is a gun free zone. Brown is very explicit that now some states ban any firearms on public university campuses like state schools, effectively. And then there's private institutions that can make their own decisions depending on the state. Brown prohibits it. Brown prohibits not only any firearm carrying by any person, Clay. They prohibit paintball guns, slingshots, knives with a blade longer than 3 inches, and any toy firearm that could be potentially perceived as real. I read that all out to you because what exactly is the point of that? Think about this for a moment. Who is. Let's really just work through this piece by piece. Oh, I want to be clear. They also ban people who have a lawful concealed carry permit from carrying. No one is allowed to carry except for law enforcement. Where was law enforcement during the shooting?

[Clay Travis]

Not there.

[Buck Sexton]

Were they even able to apprehend the suspect?

[Clay Travis]

No.

[Buck Sexton]

Everyone on that campus was left utterly defenseless by Brown University as a result of, or you know, in the moment.

[Clay Travis]

And building on that buck, how many. This is something that I think if we had real media, they would dive into it. You and I both spent a lot of time on campus campuses in speeches and schooling and everything else. Wouldn't you suspect that Brown would have hundreds of people that they employ in security on that campus? Like that doesn't seem like a crazy number to me. Does it seem like a crazy number to you?

[Buck Sexton]

Probably not armed. Probably mostly not armed.

[Clay Travis]

But, but with, but aren't. But yes. Okay, maybe not armed security, but the number of security guards on that campus would be in the hundreds. I would bet that they.

[Buck Sexton]

What value is an unarmed security guard when you have a maniac running around shooting people?

[Clay Travis]

This, this is what I'm asking. Like what are they actually providing security for? If you can have someone go armed into a campus building, kill two people, wound severely nine people and they don't even stop him. I, I, I mean this is if I'm a, a parent, if I'm a parent of a Brown University student, I'm looking around saying, wait a minute, you charge. What does Brown cost? I bet it's 80 or $90,000 a year when you roll in room and board and everything else. 75, certainly at least room and board and tuition and everything else. The number one thing that you should be providing on Brown is the same thing that I would say that we should provide to every citizen. But if you're paying all that money, you should have security on campus at a minimum to stop a guy from going shooting up a building and walking off and getting away. It's been 48 hours now.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean the security on campus could be helpful. What would be even more helpful is if you had somebody on Brown campus who was concealed, caring who's a good guy, who the shooter wouldn't know about and would have to take into account if he's going to engage in something like this. All a gun free zone on a college campus does is make sure that there is no chance of a trained and armed civilian being able to defend himself or herself and those around that person from a determined murderer. Because the murderer, this should be a shock to no one doesn't care about violating Brown's policy on firearms. So all you're doing is preventing people who, remember you can't even have it in your car, Clay, you can't even have it in your dorm room. It cannot even be excess, never mind like carrying it around with you. You can't even have possession of it anywhere on Brown University's campus. How, in what universe does that make anyone safer? How could anyone be safer as a result of. Safer from what?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, by the way, $72,000 a year brown tuition. Tuition and room and board now costs, according to Google AI and our staff, $95,984 a year. So you're talking about just shy of $100,000 a year in tuition, room and board. And to your point, Buck, there is actually no one to provide security when a true bad guy shows up. We don't know his motive, we don't even know who the heck he is. But now we know that he was able to go into a campus building, kill two, hospitalized nine, no opposition whatsoever, walk out of the building, leave campus, nobody stopping him, no issues whatsoever. And to your point, we've talked about this off air. If you go and look, a lot of times when these guys and gals go shoot up schools, it happened at Covenant School in Nashville, it happened in Minneapolis recently. They actually go scout the places out, confirm that there aren't people to oppose them, and then enact their awfulness and their, their violence upon those locations. In other words, they've actually done the research. And I bet this shooter will have two buck to know where they can go and the fact that they are unlikely to be fronted by anybody.

[Buck Sexton]

Unfortunately, Clay, in the context of schools, you know that if you don't see security, there's no, there's nobody who's going to have a gun other than security.

[Clay Travis]

So you're.

[Buck Sexton]

This is why concealed carry is such a useful component of the security equation. Because, you know, it reminds me of my, my, my brother. We used to go out together, we would joke around. I mean, he has a, he has a Pomeranian, a little carrying case. And he had like a Sig365X in that Pomeranian carrying case with three magazines at all times. Yeah, and he shoots even more than I. He shoots all the time. So it's like if you're a bad guy. Now I understand that's just one person, but there's a lot of that here in Florida. There's a lot of that.

[Clay Travis]

People at your Christmas party do you think had guns in that Christmas party?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, that's different because you can't conceal carry at a bar and we were at a bar.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so. Well, I was. Okay, but There was, if you want.

[Buck Sexton]

To know, there were. There was armed security there because of some of the personnel who attended. So there were guns in that room, but only by people that are specifically allowed to have guns in that situation.

[Clay Travis]

At Dave Rubin's party, I think we said we went there not trying to put him on blast here. Good party. A bunch of people had guns. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

There are people that. There are people that had firearms, sure.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. And as a result, I frankly. I mean, the world that we live in right now, if I'm going to be with people that. That have. Have been targeted, I would rather there be a lot of guns around as opposed to none. Right. And so I've said this. Every time a school gets shot up. My kids in public school in the Nashville, Tennessee area, Every school in my county has an armed security guard there. I think this should be standard everywhere. The fact that Brown. $100,000 a year nearly these kids. Parents are paying for them to go to school there. The fact that this could happen. It should be. We may never get this guy. I mean, I don't know. I mean, the evidence that they seem to have right now, they arrested some random guy at a hotel who had nothing to do with it. That's not a sign that they have very good sense for what's going on. Buck. And the tips so far have not seemed very good either. I want to tell you all about Chalk and how much of a difference it can make as we come in this holiday season. I had a couple of Christmas parties yesterday. Long days. Had a party with Buck. Had a party with Dave Rubin. Lots of you going out to holiday parties all over the country and with your friends and your family. Get it. Gearing up for travel. We leave on Friday. Gonna be traveling some. I know that a lot of you are gonna be traveling some, too. Takes a lot of energy. How many of you out there? One of your soon to be New Year's goals might be to have a little bit more energy than vigor, vitality in your life. So that you don't look like a white dude for Harris. So that you don't look like Joe Biden. So that you're able to keep up with the kids and the grandkids. So that you're able to keep the busy calendar season and be in better shape for yourself in 26 than you otherwise would be. Let's go get hooked up right now at Chalk. Awesome. Great deal on a subscription for life. My name C L A Y that C H O Q dot com. My name Clay. To get hooked up on a great subscription for life. All you have to do is go to cho q.com my name clay get hooked up right now Best subscription deal for life. Chalk is all natural and increase your Testosterone levels by 20% over the course of the year. Get hooked up right now choq.com that's chalk.com news you can count on and some laughs too. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We're going to be joined by Yael Eckstein here at the bottom of the next hour. We're going to talk more about the Bondi beach terror attack. 15 Jewish people slaughtered there. We've been talking about it quite a lot during the course of the program. So that is where we are going to head next and we look forward to hearing from her the latest on that issue.

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[Clay Travis]

I don't think, No, I think I, I think I'm 100 right on this. And it's, there's so much darkness out in the world today. Why would we add more darkness by embracing the worst music that has been created in the last 25 or so years? R and B music. So I, I just I refuse to play that game and go down that dark hole of despair by making it even darker and even more. What is the plural of despair? Even more despairier and even worse. I think depressing would work there, buddy. I think depressing.

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[Clay Travis]

Well, is that, is that an actual direct connection to despair though?

[Buck Sexton]

No, no, I was just trying to help you with synonym. Yeah, okay. Oh, that's what I get for trying to help Frank in Kentucky, he worked at law enforcement, wants to weigh in on the news today. What's going on, Frank?

[Frank from Kentucky (Caller)]

Hey, guys. Love the show. Hey, listen, to put it in perspective where Clay can grab it. Brown's about the same size as Vanderbilt. They have about 85 police officer slots. No police department is fully complement right now because it's hard to want people to be the police. So they probably had 75 officers on hired at the time. Take the administration out because you're always going to have them take the detectives out. Divided three shifts, days off. They'd be lucky if they had 10 guys working that day. And if they're like Vanderbilt, four or five of those are going to be assigned to the hospital. So if they had five on the street, it would be amazing.

[Clay Travis]

And.

[Frank from Kentucky (Caller)]

And then think about the fact. Do you think Brown University is actually going to have the back of any cop that's doing proactive work? Heck no. So it's all reactive.

[Buck Sexton]

They don't.

[Clay Travis]

So are you. This is, this is all super good analysis because we were talking for people who maybe didn't hear. This guy shoots up the building, kills two students, wounds nine other people, many of those severe wounds and just walks out of the campus and they don't catch him at all. Does that surprise you that he could do that? I like the way that you're analyzing this. Or do you think you mentioned Vanderbilt, which is in my backyard here. I'm an alum. I mean, to give me a size. It's not a huge campus. We're not talking for people out there. We're not talking about an Ohio state sized campus where there are tens of thousands of students and hundreds of acres involved. Does it surprise you that this could happen? Or do you think there's a lot of college campuses where kids may think they're safe and parents may think their kids are safe, but somebody could walk in, shoot them up and walk right off the campus and get away with it? Because while you're talking about just the Brown cops, we also have all of the Providence area police that I would think should also be able to respond right because it's in the middle of a city. So it's not as if this is some rural, isolated campus environment where there aren't resources surrounding it.

[Frank from Kentucky (Caller)]

Yeah, I worked in a city that has a university. We were not the first call when things jumped off on campus. So it does take a little bit of time before your city police get involved or your state or wherever you're at. Universities are not near as safe as they lead people to believe because they see the police as a. An unwanted necessity. They tell their officers, don't go out here stirring up stuff. Don't be proactive, because then we have to report the crime, and we don't want to report the crime. So if you don't go find it, we don't have to report it, and we'll get more students that come to our school. So it absolutely could happen. Universities are not near as safe as people are led to believe.

[Clay Travis]

And I mean, this is all really, really interesting, I think, to walk through, because when I was on campus, they would always tell us, and I think you hear it all the time. This is a very safe place. A lot of campuses have, like, the big blue lights that you hit or somebody could show up if you feel uncomfortable, safe ride, stuff like this. But I just never would have believed, would you, Buck? And I appreciate Frank from Kentucky calling in. If you had told me, hey, you can walk into an Ivy League campus with a gun. I think we just lost Frank and shoot up a building and the guy can walk off campus. I would have never believed that was possible because that video is him just walking off campus. And we may never know who did it. I mean, that is utterly insane to me that that could happen. But it makes me wonder how many other campuses are equally as susceptible to an attack like this as Brown was. And what, what safety have we been sold? Because I, I think most people understand that it's almost impossible to stop the shooting. There's a new video, by the way, that Fox News is playing of the person they say in interest in at Brown University. But I'm not saying that I'm stunned that there could be a shooting on campus. I am utterly stunned that someone could leave a campus like a Brown University and just get away with it. I, I would not have believed that was possible. That you could shoot up a place that and just walk off the, off the facility.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, it depends on how many exits you have. You know, you have to look at the specifics, the tactical realities that you're dealing with. You would think that the police response Though I think would be fast enough where that would be. That would be hard. But, Clay, you know, people get away with a lot of things. I work the Times Square bombing as part of a task force of hundreds of people.

[Clay Travis]

Just to be clear.

[Buck Sexton]

I was one of, you know, a cast of thousands practically by the time Square bombing back in 2010. Faisal Shahzad. And I write about this in my book Manufacturing Delusion, where I've never written about it before. You should go get a copy of it on Amazon or wherever fine books are sold. But I. I remember that case. The guy set a truck, a car bomb in Times Square on an absolutely beautiful and busy Saturday. And Clay, he got to the airport and got on the plane.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

He was heading back to Pakistan. He almost got. So people do get away when they. You think, oh, it's Times Square. All the cops and everything. They're like, no. If you get a head start, you never know.

[Clay Travis]

The shooter. That would be assassin of Trump at the West Palm beach golf course. He got.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

The only reason they caught him was because a woman in the parking lot where he had been set up for hours jotted down his license plate number as he was fleeing when the Secret Service fired at him.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, the Charlie Kirk assassin turned himself in. Yeah. We did not catch him. He turned himself in.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

So, you know, this is. This is the reality that.

[Clay Travis]

Sorry to cut you off. One reason they did find the gun for the Charlie Kirk assassin, he abandoned it. According to reports on the Utah Valley campus there. Has there been any discussion about the weapon that was used and whether it was abandoned on the site or if the shooter just continued with that weapon afterwards? I. I haven't seen the specifics on that particular case. Some of you may know, but I haven't seen that reported in the same. In the same way we were able to find that gun because he had to abandon it. That was a long rifle, so it was harder to. To conceal. I think the shooting in Brown, if I'm not mistaken, was a handgun. So the individual in question here may well have just been able to put that gun inside of. Inside of his outfit and continued on, but we may never catch him. And I think that's a question that a lot of campus security officials have to be asking in the wake of this is it's one thing to allow a shooting. It's almost impossible, I should say, stop a shooting from happening. That's very difficult if someone is committed to it. But the idea that someone could do it, kill two people, wound nine. And then Just leave and. And they wouldn't be able to stop. It is kind of crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

It is indeed. So I, I wonder. I, I honestly was thinking that they would have an update for us, Clay, during the course.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, was I?

[Buck Sexton]

I thought they'll probably get him during the show and maybe they will right when we're finished. But you would think, I mean, the era that we're in of cell phone tracking cameras everywhere, a lot of surveillance, it should be a lot harder to get away with crimes now than it has been previously. But it's still, situations like this still happen far too frequently where an assailant in broad daylight in a crowded place is able to kill a bunch of people and get away, which, which causes also a continuing risk to the public too. It's not just the frustration of we haven't gotten this person, maybe they're going to go try to shoot somebody else. That was certainly. Remember the Boston Marathon bombers, the manhunt for them, the huge concern there was, well, they're not done. I mean, these guys probably want to go out in a, you know, in a, in a shootout of some kind or something. So. And they remember they got away after being at the Boston Marathon. So it's a pretty common thing for the assailants to escape. But we don't know anything about this guy right now who did the shooting on the Brown campus. Other than the only thing that goes to motive at this point is the vice president of the Republican Club. Was one of those killed. That could be coincidental, to be clear. It could be. It does seem that that would be quite a coincidence. But it could be. You know, we don't know. That's the only data point we have that starts to go toward any kind of a motive. It could be totally a personal grudge. It's really just guessing and surmising at this point. Clay.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look, we had some fun over the weekend. Some decent things did happen. A lot of you went to great Christmas parties. And we had a grandpa throw a touchdown pass in the NFL. Philip Rivers, 44 year old grandpa came out of retirement and threw a touchdown pass. And price picks they actually put up. This was very funny, Buck. They had their graphic of Philip Rivers on the prize picks apple as Joe Biden super old guy that they had returning to the NFL. They used a Joe Biden graphic for Philip Rivers on the app. You can play along at price picks. Go to pricepix.com code clay. $5. When you play with $5, you get $50 deposited in your account. All you have to do is use my name Clay. That's C L A y clay. Prizepix.com code clay you can play in California and play in Texas. You can play in Georgia. You can play all over the country. Get hooked up [e-mail] Code Clay Grandpa Philip Rivers playing Monday Night Football. Coming up, we'll see how he does. PricePix.com Code Clay Making America Great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern Turn in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Welcome back in Clay Travis BUCK SEXTON show We're talking about the Brown shooting and the fact that they do not know the Brown University Providence, Rhode island, shooting. They have now released a second video. You can barely see anything on this video, too. So in addition to the fact that there was no response at all, I think if you are spending the money that these universities are supposedly spending on security, I'm looking at this video that they now have released. This is the second video. You could still see Nothing. They have 800 cameras on campus now. Maybe some of these cameras are inoperable and they're more for show than they are for actual detection of of crime or danger on campus. But not only did this guy, presumably it's a guy, although we don't even really know, go into campus and kill two people and shoot up a building and have nine different people that he put in the hospital, but he was able to walk all the way through the campus and they have virtually zero footage of him at all in a way that could remotely help someone catch this guy. I mean, I'm watching it again, all in black. You can see very little about him. It's cold and it's difficult to see. Yell Eckstein is with us now right before we finish the program. We've talked to her quite a lot. And I bet you were like both Buck and myself, y', all, when you woke up and saw the news about the shooting in Sydney. It's awful. But given all the anti Semitism that had been occurring in Australia, did it surprise you, unfortunately, that this even happened?

[Yael Eckstein]

Wow. Well, this world is so dark. It's so sad to say that nothing is surprising me these days. I lived through October 7th, and I've lived through 35,000 rockets being rained down on Israel from seven different fronts. And so when I see the terror attacks that are happening around the world, my heart breaks. But it's not surprising. And the message that's very clear to me is that it's not isolated to Australia or America or Europe or Israel. We are in this together. It is a global threat of darkness that hates light. And so when I saw it, the first thing that I thought about was how Christians and Jews and those who sanctify life, we have to come together to do whatever, whatever we can to bring light in the world and not just rely on the politicians to make the right decisions on our behalf.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it's Buck. Thank you for being with us. If you could just speak to. How has Australia been when it comes to the handling of anti Semitism? I just think there's a. There's always a context here in countries where a terrible attack like this happens. You know, there was. There's obviously been anti Semitism here in America, specifically after the October 7th attacks. And then on campuses, people saw a lot of that, but there was a huge pushback against that from the Trump administration, from millions and millions of Americans across the country. Can you speak to. Is Australia a place where this is taken with seriousness, or is it allowed to fester perhaps more than it should?

[Yael Eckstein]

Well, we've seen across Australia lots of. Not just rallies that were violent, calling for the destruction of Israel and attack on Jews, but we've seen politicians take part in that in Australia. They have not done a good job at trying to stop the anti Semitism that's been growing over the years. And that's when I realized that it's us, it's the silenced majority. There are, I would say, 300 million Christians around the world. You look at the Far east, you look at Korea and China, you look at South America, you look America, you look in Australia and across North America, Jews and Christians today need to stand together. And when we don't rely on the government to take the right stand, we can make such a big difference. Just since October 7, the fellowship has distributed 6 million meals to people who needed it. We've placed thousands of bomb shelters in Israel. We've provided security to Jewish institutions around the world, including in Australia, where there are threats. And we've gone into Syria to provide medical clinics and food boxes for persecuted Christians in Syria. And so I think we have to stop relying on the government and we have to do whatever we can, the little bit each one of us can to go out and do it in order to bring comfort and hope to.

[Clay Travis]

Each other, because this the worst.

[Yael Eckstein]

Happy? Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Sorry to cut you off there. Is this the worst that you've ever seen when it comes to antisemitism around the world?

[Yael Eckstein]

Well, they. It took 20 minutes for the authorities to respond, and it was actually a heroic Arab man who attacked one of the gunmen and took the gun out of his hand that stopped so many more people from being killed. But, yes, we've seen it, though, across the world. We've seen it. In Buenos Aires, we've seen it. In America, we've seen it synagogues being shot up. So 15 people killed and that number is still going up. It's something. There are no words to describe the pain of the global Jewish community and all people who sanctify life. But it's going to get worse if we don't take a stand against both politically and as individuals. There's no more. We don't have the luxury of staying silent anymore. Just like we put our Christmas trees on the public square and our Hanukkah menorahs on the public square, we have to go to the public square and say, we stand for life. We stand for freedom. We won't let this happen under our watch. Am I my brother's keeper? Yes, I am.

[Clay Travis]

Very well said. Yes, we appreciate all the work that you and the fellowship is doing of Christians and Jews around the world, particularly as we move closer and closer to Christmas. And Hanukkah itself is already underway. We'll be talking more and more about this, the latest on the Brown shooter. Hopefully we'll be able to catch the person who shot up the university soon and more tomorrow. Thanks for hanging with us on Clay.

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