Hour 3 - Politicizing Public Health

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 – Politicizing Public Health
Date: September 4, 2025
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This hour explores how culture influences politics, especially as it relates to public health, parenting, gender norms, vaccination, and trust in health authorities. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton host conversations with Katie Miller (political commentator and new podcaster) and Dr. Nicole Safire (Fox News contributor and physician). The episode blends sharp political and cultural analysis with humor and anecdotes about family, relationships, and shifting societal norms.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Changing Culture to Change Politics

(03:00–06:01)

• Clay Travis introduces Katie Miller, former Trump White House official and new podcaster, highlighting her approach to engaging conservative women through culture rather than just politics.

• Miller emphasizes that to win political battles, conservatives need to compete in the cultural arena – especially by talking to women about lifestyle and everyday issues.

  “In order to change culture, you have to talk to people where they are… I didn’t think there was anything out there for me, so I thought, why not do it myself?”
  — Katie Miller, 05:10

2. The Role of Podcasts in Reaching Women

(05:10–08:21)

• Miller laments the lack of female lifestyle podcasts with a conservative worldview. She describes how her podcast dives into everyday topics with major political figures — but deliberately avoids political discourse in favor of personal stories and interests.

  “A women’s issue is just how a woman talks about issues… We did everything except politics, right? What’s JD make for breakfast in the morning?... We ask [Airbnb co-founder] Joe Gebbia what’s the dumbest thing he’s ever spent money on.”
  — Katie Miller, 06:26

3. Gender Norms, Cultural Normalcy, and Family Formation

(13:42–16:49)

• Travis, Sexton, and Miller discuss declining birth rates, shifting attitudes toward marriage and parenthood, and the impact of cultural messages that discourage young people from starting families.

• Miller criticizes the idea that women must measure up to men’s career paths instead of embracing motherhood as a primary, valued role.

  “We should be having marriage... and having babies at the beginning of our adult lives, not at the end.”
  — Katie Miller, 14:42

  “We should not be in a society where women feel like they have to go to work and raising their kids isn’t their first available option.”
  — Katie Miller, 16:16

4. Candid Conversation and Personal Anecdotes

(08:21–13:41 & 36:22–37:36)

• Lively exchanges about worst dates, favorite movies, and cultural touchstones like “The English Patient” and “The Notebook.”

• Miller shares an awkward double-date story from college; Dr. Safire recounts her first meeting with her now-husband in a wine bar.

  “We ended up staying the night in Tampa at a hotel with no change of clothes. I remember this vividly because those are the nights you remember.”
  — Katie Miller, 09:33

  “He [my husband] was asking for my phone number the whole time… The man was persistent. And I'll tell you, persistence pays off.”
  — Dr. Nicole Safire, 37:25

5. Inside Elon Musk’s Employee Culture

(11:53–13:41)

• Miller discusses Elon Musk’s focus on employee wellbeing at SpaceX’s Starbase, highlighting perks like dedicated flights, family accommodations, and community-building amenities.

  “The most surprising part about Elon was how much he truly cares about his employees…people don’t ever ask those questions because they’re probably inappropriate, but I’ve somehow lost a filter over years of working for President Trump.”
  — Katie Miller, 12:26

6. Politicizing Public Health and Vaccine Debate

(23:07–36:22)

• Dr. Nicole Safire analyzes the Senate hearing with RFK Jr. and discusses the polarization of public health post-COVID.

• She critiques politicians for using hearings as platforms for soundbites, not solutions.

• Safire:

  “All I’m looking for is what are we going to do to bring the country together to try and get politics out of public health... Unfortunately…we are nowhere closer to unifying the nation as we were four years ago.”
  — Dr. Nicole Safire, 26:07

• The crew debates excessive childhood vaccinations and how public trust in public health guidance has eroded.

  “We undermine trust when we…pretend that every vaccine works the same. And Americans truly deserve nuance.”
  — Dr. Nicole Safire, 33:54

• Ensuring new CDC/HHS appointments include diverse viewpoints is necessary to rebuild confidence.

7. Humorous Parenting and Pet Anecdotes

(42:48–45:09)

• Buck Sexton shares a comical parenting-and-pets story: cleaning his dog after it rolled in excrement, and the unexpected hurdles of training pets with kids in the house.

  “There was so much external refuse on the dog…I don’t want dog poop down there, buddy. So, yes, I had to cover up a little bit.”
  — Buck Sexton, 44:33

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the culture war:

  “You have to win the culture wars. And I love what she's trying to do with this podcast…connecting with people where they are.”
  — Clay Travis, 17:18

• On public health trust:

  “Many people, myself included, have lost all faith in public health so-called experts to give us the best possible advice.”
  — Clay Travis, 30:56

• RFK Jr. testimony:

  “Senator, you’ve sat in that chair for how long, 20, 25 years, while the chronic disease in our children went up to 76%. And you said nothing…For the first time in 20 years, we learned that infant mortality has increased…not because I came in here, it’s because of what happened during the Biden administration.”
  — RFK Jr., played at 27:47

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:00 | Introduction of Katie Miller & culture/politics crossover | | 05:10 | Women's voices in the podcasting space | | 08:21 | Worst date stories & lighthearted banter | | 11:53 | Elon Musk & SpaceX employee culture | | 13:42 | Family formation, birth rates & gender roles discussion | | 23:07 | Dr. Nicole Safire on public health and RFK Jr. hearing | | 26:07 | Public health polarizing and need for unity | | 33:54 | Vaccine schedule debate & trust in health system | | 36:22 | Dr. Safire’s story about awkward first meeting with her husband | | 42:48 | Buck’s story about dog, parenting, and (unexpected) pet hygiene |

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Tone & Style

• Conversational: Playful, candid, and at times irreverent—mixing serious analysis with comic relief and personal storytelling.
• Engaged: Hosts naturally riff off each other and the guests, probing for both cultural insights and entertaining anecdotes.
• Opinionated: Guests and hosts are unafraid to advocate for their perspectives on gender roles, family, and health policy.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode will appeal to listeners interested in the intersection of culture and politics, changing norms around family and gender, and current debates about the politicization of public health in the wake of COVID. The light, humorous personal stories balance the more serious social critique, offering something for both news junkies and those who want engaging conversation.

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Transcript

[Katie Miller]

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[Katie Miller]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Katie Miller]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Dr. Nicole Safire]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in hour number three. Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We got a couple of great guests coming for you this hour. Tons of reactions pouring in. I bet Katie Miller will have a good answer on this and we will bring her in. She's got a great new podcast, wife of Stephen Miller Trump White House official. She has done a lot of different things, a lot of positive things about her. One negative I would have to share right off the top is that she is a Florida Gator and she graduated from there back when Florida was actually still good at football a long time ago. And we bring in now Katie Miller with that introduction. Katie, I hope everything is going well. I've seen the podcast, the clips as well, and it seems to be going very well. They are much better than Florida Gator football. But right off the top here, you and Katie Britt. I actually watched a decent amount of this, had a big conversation about the. We started off the show today talking about culture and how culture you have to win in culture in order to win in politics. And I love what you're doing with the podcast because I think this is a big part of that. But you have seen Sydney Sweeney Stock of American Eagle is skyrocketing today. They put a pretty girl in jeans and said, go buy jeans. You have seen. And I wanted to lead with this because you are a former Florida Gator sorority girl. So was Katie Britt. You have seen these sorority videos. Just take over TikTok, take over Instagram, take over Twitter. It feels like cultural normalcy. Boys are boys, girls are girls, football setting records. SEC schools are flooded with applications. It feels like there's just a huge, desperate demand for the country to return to normal. And do you feel that? Is that a part of what you're tapping into with your show?

[Katie Miller]

Thanks, Clay Buck, for having me on today. It's very exciting to do your show for the first time and I'd be remiss if I did not say, go Gators. And very much an ouch. That Florida football is indeed fantastic. There is nothing like being in the swamp on a Saturday, cheering alongside 90,000 fans for the Gators to get a touchdown.

[Buck Sexton]

Wait, can I, can I jump in really quick, Katie, just because. So my wife is also a Gatorade and she's also a follower listener of your podcast. By the way, she has fabulous, fabulous taste in everything. Audio husbands, colleges. What year were you at UF? Or years.

[Dr. Nicole Safire]

I was there.

[Katie Miller]

I was pledge class 2010, University of Florida Alpha Omicron PI. Proud panda.

[Buck Sexton]

I think you guys, you guys might have overlapped. I know it's a big place. But anyway, keep, keep going. You. You have. Ladies are the best. Go ahead.

[Katie Miller]

We are 100% the best. Still remember my sorority cheers. But no, why I launched the podcast is you're so right. Is in order to change culture, you have to talk to people where they are. And we saw in the 2024 election, President Trump talked to every podcaster out there, right? They called it the bro election and having bros be bros again, right? Guys be guys, women be women. But there is no female podcast out there that talks lifestyle relata. What's going on in the lives of women, that's not political, and that isn't just politics all day long. And so in order for us to change culture, we have to talk to women where they are. You know, what are you listening to when you are washing dishes, when you're folding laundry, when you're doing a craft with your kids? I didn't think there was anything out there for me, so I thought, why not do it myself?

[Buck Sexton]

So you've had conversations already, Katie, with Vice President J.D. vance, Senator Katie Braid. I mean, clearly you're getting some very big names to sit down with you. What are some of the topics? I mean, you've mentioned them in broad stroke, but some of the specific, more specific issues that you think conservative women want discussed more, want more attention, whether it's in the podcast universe or just in the broader media ecosystem.

[Katie Miller]

I just think a women's issue is not just, and I hate to be like, crude, I say this, it's not just our period and sex and those type of issues, right? A women's issue is just how a woman talks about issues. And I hate being bucketed into just saying my brain can only handle what is, quote unquote, a women's issue because then it does a disservice to all smart women out there and women who have a brain, which is 100% of us, though some may not use it as well as others. And so what issues do we talk about? You know, you mentioned I had Katie Britt, you mentioned I had J.D. vance. And with two political guests, we did everything except politics, right? What does JD make for breakfast in the morning? What time does he get home? Is he putting his kids to bed? What's his favorite condiment? You know, the really important issues you want to know from your vice president. And so, you know, so next this episode we just released Monday night at 6 o' clock was with Joe Gabbia, the co founder of Airbnb. How did he start Airbnb? You know, we asked him important questions like what's the dumbest thing he's ever spent money on? If you had all the money in the world, what's the craziest thing you've spent it on? You know, what's Life like, as a billionaire that, you know, only I think it's 2800 people in the whole world get to experience that. What's that like? Which, you know, people don't ever ask those questions because they're probably inappropriate, but I've somehow lost a filter over years of working for President Trump. And then there's also, you know, questions like, next week, we have on Mike Tyson, which is, you know, really fun for your audience, but I asked him about everything except boxing. And so what did we talk about? We talked about, what does he do when he works out? Which day is leg day, which day is arm day, which, guess what, he works out every part of his body every day. Apparently, he's in his gym most hours of the day. We talked about, which will be really fun. What was it like living next to Wayne Newton? And they have two different types of animals. One has horses and one as tigers. And let you know how that works out on the podcast.

[Clay Travis]

We somehow got onto a conversation because Buck was watching with his wife Carrie the movie the English Patient. And I mentioned that in 1996, when that movie came out, I went on a date with a girl that I liked at the time, the English Patient, which is closer to going on a date to watch Schindler's List than it is to go watch the new Happy Gilmore. What is the worst date that you've ever been on? And do you remember, like, partway through it, like, thinking, I've got to get a girlfriend to call me to get out of this? Have you ever had a situation where you were like, this is absolute misery. How do I get out of this?

[Katie Miller]

I've had one. I can recall it. It was actually when I was at Florida, a friend of mine, we had gone on a double date to. Oh, my gosh, it was a steakhouse in Tampa. So we were in a car with these guys for, like, an hour and a half. We're at the restaurant, we're both like, we gotta run. But we're an hour and a half away from home. And so we ended up. This was like, pre Uber, right? So you're like, how do you get from Tampa back to Gainesville? We ended up staying in a hotel for the night and renting a car the next day. But that was probably.

[Clay Travis]

That's how bad the date was. You refused to get in a car to drive back to Gainesville with them.

[Katie Miller]

Yes, we ended up staying the night in Tampa at a hotel with no change of clothes. I remember this vividly because those are the nights you remember. I don't remember why we went on this double date. I don't remember who the double date was with. If I couldn't even recall, like, what their faces look like. I just knew this was, like, not the vibe.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, wait, hold on. So we're talking to Katie Miller here of the Katie Miller podcast, which was just launched. And, Katie, we can't let you go. We can't let you bypass. Do you agree with me that the English Patient is a wildly overrated movie, or are you on Team Peterman from Seinfeld that it's so good if anyone doesn't like it, they should be fired?

[Katie Miller]

I've never seen it, guys.

[Buck Sexton]

See, I hadn't seen it till this weekend, so that's why we were talking about it. Whichever. I feel like I thought everyone. Katie, had seen it. I thought everybody knew. So that's you and Steve.

[Katie Miller]

I'll tell you a really good. A good one here. Some breaking news for you. So I asked Mike Tyson, would he rather watch the Notebook every day, every. Every for the rest of his life, or never watch sports again? And he said the Notebook is his ultimate favorite movie. So I come home. Stephen and I are talking about this, right? We're like. And he's like, I've never seen the Notebook. So to me, if you're saying the English Patient is one of these that, like, everyone's got to see, is there, like, ultimate date night movie? I thought the Notebook was that for sure. And Steven's never seen it, so.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, well, you may have never seen a book. Have you seen the Notebook book, Clay? I was a single guy going on day. Of course, I got. I got dragged to the Notebook. Every guy. Every guy who has ever been single, when it came out, saw the Notebook. But, Katie, do you. I mean, I know you know this because your husband. We're both Stephen Miller fans here. And, you know, back in the. Back in the OG days, back in the first administration. And do you realize that his favorite movie is also probably the favorite movie of my two brothers and me, which is Bloodsport with Jean Claude Van Damme.

[Clay Travis]

Which we can quote.

[Buck Sexton]

Quote every single line from this movie. Stephen said on the show that he believes that is the best movie ever made.

[Katie Miller]

I agree. I. Stephen loves movies. He really. I guess I agree with that because we watch that all the time.

[Clay Travis]

You have watched. You've been forced to watch Bloodsport.

[Katie Miller]

Let me ask you this many times, guys.

[Buck Sexton]

It's so. Clay, I can do every line from that movie. You start talking to me in Bloodsport, I can respond in bloodsport. It's like its own language.

[Clay Travis]

You worked with Elon, you're talking about all of these different guests that you have. I imagine at some point Elon will be on. But leaving aside obviously like trying to put people on Mars and, and all the success with the different companies, what surprised you about Elon as a person? Like you said Mike Tyson, you didn't expect him to like the Notebook? What surprise? What do you think would surprise people about Elon that doesn't have to do with the brilliant entrepreneurial aspect based on your experience with him?

[Katie Miller]

To me, the most surprising part about Elon was how much he truly cares about his employees. And I don't just mean that they're excellent and succeeding for him in business. I mean how much he cares about their livelihoods, their personal lives and their general well being. You know, you talk about Mars and I believe everyone who's listening, including both of you, should go to Starbase Texas if you haven't. It is an unbelievable town where they've built just for the employees of SpaceX, but they have flights that go to and from LA every week so that employees who live in Texas can get to a metropolis whenever they want to an urban city and get to their friends and family and it's paid for by the company and they can bring their family with them. They built unbelievable houses and a pool and bars and restaurants and a gym. And it is truly this like little oasis on a strip of sand in Texas that's meant to make his employees lives better, with a doctor, with medical care, with like a little convenience store that's all for his employees. And I believe you don't do that and build something like that unless you really want people who tour, who work for you to be extremely happy. And everyone who works for him feels that similarly.

[Clay Travis]

Katie, I know you're talking again to the larger culture here and I bet you now think about this. I think you have three kids. Bucks got one, I've got three.

[Katie Miller]

I have a four, three and two year old.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I mean that is. Yes. So you have. You're in the weeds in a big way. Buck has got an under one and my boys are getting older, 17, 14 and 10. But I now think a lot about the fact that, and I know this is something that Elon has been tweeting about. I bet you think about it some too. The population is collapsing and it feels like men are often unhappy with women and women are often unhappy with men. How do we get back the sexes to being somewhat happy Right. I understand there's jokes in relationships and everything else, but when there aren't kids being produced, when there aren't a lot of babies, society is legitimately being threatened. I worry about this quite a lot. Do you think about it at all? What advice would you have out there for the single people time today? Yeah. Okay, good.

[Katie Miller]

One of my, like most thought about topics, if it was up to Stephen, we'd have probably a dozen children. Though I don't know if your wife feels similarly, but being pregnant is not my thing. However, you know, still more kids to come in the Miller household. But I would tell you this is that I think the worst thing, one of the worst things that happened to our country was when 16 and pregnant, that show, an MTV that we all credit with stopping, you know, teen birth rates is the one that started collapsing. You know, younger kids having kids, you know, you saw with Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey, is that them getting engaged is the culmination of their adulthood instead of the beginning. We should be having marriage. We should be getting married and having babies at the beginning of our adult lives, not at the end. Because women were meant to have kids in younger years. And I'll say this as I'm 33 and I understand that every year I get older makes it harder for me to have a kid. I'm not, you know, immune to that fact. But we aren't encouraging women to have kids younger. We are having encouraging and we're having a society that is encouraging childbirth at older years. Right. Why is it at hospitals in D.C. that their first time moms are 39 years old? That's a geriatric pregnancy. We shouldn't be doing that. It's not healthy for the mother, it's not healthy for the child. We should be encouraging younger rates. And I think that goes to. I see a lot of this is that women feel that they're better than the men and they must have the same equal degree as the man. And then therefore they don't feel less than we need to be telling. And I also think one other point on this is that when women were told to go to the workplace and that they should have the same job as a man, that did not glamorize going to an office because I believe a woman's best job and her primary job, because that's what our brains are wired to do, is raise children. Does that mean that should be the only thing you do? No. But we should not be in a society where women feel like they have to go to work and raising Their kids isn't their first available option. Because I think when you're telling a woman that they should feel that they should to be equal to a man, they have to go to an office. That's when we're losing a society.

[Buck Sexton]

Katie podcast, everybody.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh yeah. No, spot on. And a great way for all of you to hear more of this analysis is to go subscribe to Katie's podcast. Katie, tell Stephen that we send a high five and congrats on the podcast, all the success you're having so far. And come back after you watch the English Patient. Let us know what you think.

[Katie Miller]

Thanks guys. And you can find the Katie Miller podcast everywhere. You find a podcast like subscribe and follow.

[Clay Travis]

Awesome.

[Buck Sexton]

Go check it out.

[Clay Travis]

Good luck to the Gators. Not too good luck though. And appreciate, appreciate Katie, I do think. And we'll come back and we'll have some more conversations about this culture, culture, culture. You have to win the culture wars. And I love what she's trying to do with this podcast. Again, watching the clips, connecting with people where they are not trying to find them to get them to drag to where you are. Anyway, just a big something I spent a lot of time thinking about. No one likes hearing about a break in in their neighborhood. Kind of thing puts everyone on edge. You want to make sure you have the best tools to protect yourself and your family. And that's exactly what Sabre does. These are non lethal, right? So if you are concerned like we are in this household about teenagers sneaking in and out of the house, my 14 year old set off the alarm after hours recently sneaking out. If you have anybody out there that maybe has tried to sneak in and out of your house, maybe you got kids or grandkids coming in and out all hours. You want to be able to protect your house, but you don't want to use lethal means to do so. This is what Saber is all about. Pepper sprays. You just heard Katie Miller talking about when she was in a sorority at uf. I bet she had a pepper spray. I bet most of your daughters should if they do not already have some pepper spray in their car. Maybe they're walking to and from the office. Wherever they are, get hooked up right now with Saber. Sabers, pepper sprays, pepper gels, projectile devices, all made right here in the good old usa Keeping jobs at home. And right now you can say 15 on Saber's mega bundle with the extra Projectiles magazine Practice target targets. Visit saberradio.com that's s a b r e radio.com you can also call 844-824 safe. That's 844-824, s a f e news and politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Some feisty moments on Capitol Hill today as RFK Jr. Was giving testimony in front of the Senate. We've got a few of those most interesting exchanges to play for you. But first, let's start with this one. Cut 30. Play it as you're saying the Biden.

[Clay Travis]

Administration politicized all the data.

[Buck Sexton]

Go back to what cantwell just.

[Clay Travis]

Surgeon General. They fired Dr. Grant. They fired all the people who questioned the orthodoxy. They fired Dr. Gruber, Dr. Cows, Secretary of Health.

[Buck Sexton]

I like that he's getting after it there, Clay. Because they're trying to say, oh, during COVID there was no politicization or whatever it was. That's insane. He can't let them get away with that. He cannot let that rewriting of history happen.

[Clay Travis]

Here's something well said by J.D. vance, and I'll hit quickly when I see all these senators trying to lecture gotcha Bobby Kennedy. All I can think is you support off label, untested, irreversible hormone therapies for kids, mutilating our kids and enriching big pharma. You're full of blank and everyone knows it. JD Vain.

[Buck Sexton]

There you go. All right, look, President Trump wants to see our country as the leader in AI. I mean, this is a big deal and the race to be ahead in AI is as competitive as the race to put a man on the moon. Back in the 60s, we led on the AI front. Then Biden took office and we lost a few steps to China, India, Russia. But President Trump sees that this is a crucial technology and his administration is preparing an estimated trillion dollars plus investment drawing in multiple partners. It's what I call Manhattan Project 2 to take back our lead in the AI arms race and potentially engage a handful of US companies with billions in new contracts. It could trigger an investment boom as soon as October 15th. I break it all down in a brand new interview, including the companies that I believe could soar when this comes about. Find this interview and all the details at a website offair25.com that website to go watch this presentation is off air25.com paid for by Paradigm Press.

[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We rolling through the Thursday edition of the program, we bring in our friend Dr. Nicole Sapphire, part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. You can also see her regularly on Fox News. She does fantastic work across the media spectrum. And Dr. Sapphire, we will start with the fireworks that have just come. As senator, sorry, Senator, as the as Robert Kennedy was testifying in front of many different senators out there about what exactly is going on as it pertains to rules on Covid shots and rules on vaccines in general and science and everything else. What did you take away from that testimony? And how would you assess what is going on right now from a health care perspective?

[Dr. Nicole Safire]

Hey guys, thanks so much for having me on. Yeah. I'll tell you, I tried to livestream as much as that Senate finance community committee with RFK Jr. As I could. I'm in the hospital myself, so in between patients. But you know, there were a lot of fireworks. There were name calling, there were yelling, there was eye rolling. I mean, people were frustrated. But here's what I find as a layperson, but also someone in the medical community with what I find frustrating watching here. This was all about people just trying to get talking points out for media headlines. This was not a conversation. This is not for the greater good of America, what happens in these committee hearings. And that is what I find the most frustrating. I think RFK junior Secretary Kennedy, I thought he made some really strong points. I think some of the senators made some really strong points. And ultimately I think that there was more arguing of semantics than anything at all. And unfortunately for me, looking at this from the outside in, you know, throughout all of COVID we became a very fractured society. And all of a sudden, we have weaponized public health. We have politicized it. And I was. All I'm looking for is what are we going to do to bring the country together to try and get politics out of public health, out of our health care system as best we can? I mean, you never will be able to completely, but the best we can. And how are we going to unify the nation? And unfortunately, watching some of this tells me that we are nowhere closer to unifying the nation as were four years ago.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I want to have you react here to an exchange, Dr. Safire, between RFK Jr. And Senator Wyden. It's about 40 seconds long. This is cut 18. Hit it.

[Clay Travis]

I don't see any evidence that you have any regrets about anything you've done or plans to change it. And my last comment is, I hope that you will tell the American people how many preventable child deaths. Deaths are an acceptable sacrifice for enacting an agenda that I think is fundamentally cruel and defies common sense. Senator, you've sat in that chair for how long, 20, 25 years, while the chronic disease in our children went up to 76%. And you said nothing. You never asked the question, why it's happening? Why is this happening today? For the first time in 20 years, we learned that infant mortality has increased in our country. It's not because I came in here, is because of what happened during the Biden administration that we're gonna end.

[Buck Sexton]

How much, Dr. Safire, of the apparent animosity that these Democrat senators show toward RFK Jr. Is because he's RFK Jr. And they don't like what he has stood for in the past or just because he happens to be Trump's HHS guy.

[Dr. Nicole Safire]

Yeah, so that's a great question. And first of all, that was one of RFK Jr. S strongest messages, in my opinion, during that hearing was everybody was criticizing him, and he's like, it turned to crap under you guys. You've been in office for decades sitting on this committee, and this is the first time we're having these conversations about making people healthier again. So I thought that was rather cheeky, but also very poignant. You know, Senator Wyden came out saying that he is going to be releasing a report today. He asked to put it into evidence that supposedly will show the damage to health care of the American people done under RFK Jr highlighting chaos, corruption and higher healthcare costs. And yet he said these things. Things. But we did not see that report or the data. So, again, Wyden, I thought, was trying to get some of those talking points at the end of the day, and this is something I've said now, you know, for the last several weeks that I get some criticism on, is that we already know Trump Derangement Syndrome is real. I mean, one of these days it'll be a diagnosable condition that as a medical doctor, I can code it and it'll be a true diagnosis. But the RFK Derangement syndrome is real as well. And so for me, maybe he is not the perfect messenger to be out in front of the camera talking about the work that they're doing behind the scenes. He is bringing a ton of insight and a ton of innovation and a whole new thought process to the hhs. They're finally starting to look at root causes of chronic illness. They're trying to make his systems more efficient. These are all great things. But the moment he steps in front of the camera or gets behind the microphone, half of the country is turning it off, just like they always do with President Trump. And so when it comes to public health, it would be great for me if there was another spokesperson who actually came out to deliver that message. Because as you see, if you look at social media right now, people are just making fun of Secretary Kennedy. They're making fun the fact that he was breathing heavily into the microphone, forget the fact that he has a neurological condition. And what they're doing actually is grossly inappropriate by making fun of someone, but they don't like him. And that's the bottom line.

[Clay Travis]

Dr. Safire, I think the biggest issue that we face as a country as it pertains to public health, is in the wake of COVID many people, myself included, have lost all faith in public health so called experts to give us the best possible advice. What would your advice be? To try to cure what I believe is the biggest issue in America today, which is just lack of trust in the wake of what happened with COVID.

[Dr. Nicole Safire]

I mean, that's a very complicated question and there's not going to be a one size fits all answer to that. But part of that is going to be getting people that are well respected on both sides of the aisle into the hhs, into the cdc. We undermine trust when we like. Right now, what we're dealing with right now, and you're looking at the conversation is surrounding vaccines, the cdc. We're seeing the fallout from what happened because not only are parents questioning the COVID vaccine because the CBC doubled down on the mandates long after science changed, the reality is now parents are questioning all vaccines and just really questioning public health in general. And so we have to take a big step back. And what was settled science for the last several decades, if people truly believe that it's still settled science and the data is there to support it, then you need to show the data. Because just saying, well, this is what's the right thing to do, that doesn't work anymore. We can't have that paternalistic attitude when we're talking to the American people, because the American people are educated. They want to make informed decisions. And when you have this digital era where all of a sudden they're realizing that the truth is at their fingertips and it's not necessarily just from the mouthpieces that they're seeing from the CDC or whatnot, you have to make sure that you are being very nuanced in the recommendations for public health. Part of that is going to be right now, RFK Jr. Is having to put together the Vaccine Advisory Committee. He got rid of all the original members because he said that they were essentially all part of the industry standard and it was time for them to go. And while he may not disagree with a lot of them needing to go, he's kind of swinging that pendulum far the other way by putting all new members on that are part of his inner circle and his inner thinking. We have to make sure that we have full dialogue and debate on these committees. So we can't just go one inner circle to the next. We need to start building these institutions that are with people who are going to last much longer than just an administration.

[Buck Sexton]

Are there just way too many vaccines, Dr. Safire, in your opinion, in the suggested schedule for children? I think the number we had Dr. Makary on, and he said it was something like 70 or something along those lines. Over the course of now, I know that some of those are multiple shots and they're given over years. That does seem like. That just seems like a lot of shots.

[Katie Miller]

Sure.

[Dr. Nicole Safire]

So in my humble opinion, I think that we need to look at the recommended childhood vaccine schedule. What's happening in Florida where they're just trying to do away with all vaccine mandates? That's a completely different conversation. What I'm talking about is not necessarily implementing mandates or recalling mandates or, you know, getting rid of the mandates. I'm like, let's reevaluate what we're even recommending. Can we change the timeline? Does Every single child need all of these vaccines because the reality is not all vaccines are created equal. Lumping them together just completely erases the science. The MMR vaccine, the one with measles that provides decades of protection, while the pertussis one, that immunity wanes within months. And the public health messaging has to acknowledge the differences because we're undermining trust when we pretend that every vaccine works the same and Americans truly deserve nuance. I think we can change the vaccine schedule. We can actually decrease the amount of vaccines children get without risking the safety of the individual child or the community. But it just means you have to open up that conversation and you have to be willing to have that conversation because unfortunately, you have a lot of people who have their head in the stand right now with that vacuum thought mentality of, well, if you start changing it now, you're going to change the whole thing and that's going to creep in. Vaccine hesitancy. But if you don't acknowledge the people's concerns and you don't acknowledge all vaccines aren't created equal, you're actually promoting vaccine hesitancy more than anyone else.

[Clay Travis]

How can people find your podcast and dive in if they haven't already? Dr. Safire?

[Dr. Nicole Safire]

Well, thanks to you guys, Wellness Unmasked with Dr. Nicole Safire is part of the Clay and Buck family. We have a weekly rundown every Friday at 10am with about just five minutes of me telling you what happened that week. We're going to go all through the hearing tomorrow and then on Tuesdays dropping at 10. Wellness and math. You have a longer full episode next week. You will hear me with Jennifer Gilardi. She's the senior policy analyst for Restoring American Wellness at the Heritage Foundation. We talk all things Make America healthy again. We get into a little bit of a healthy debate on some things. And I'll tell you, it's a great interview, so please make sure to catch it out. I'm also on X, Instagram and Fox News.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, I gave you all that, but I meant to ask you this as well. So I encourage you to go follow Dr. Safire here on the Clay and Buck podcast.

[Buck Sexton]

Podcast network wellness unmasked.

[Clay Travis]

Dr. Sapphire, tremendous collection of talent there. What's the worst date you've ever been on? Dr. Because Buck brought up the English Patient, I realized that I went on a high school date to watch that movie, which was not a great movie to go on as a high schooler. We just had Katie Miller on. Do you recall the worst date that you've ever been on? In your life, is there one that stands out?

[Dr. Nicole Safire]

I think the worst date I've ever been on in my life was my first kind of date, or not even a date, but when I met my husband, because we actually met in a wine bar during a medical conference. But I was drinking hot tea, and this guy comes up to me and he starts. He's thinking that my tea is spiked. And the whole time, he just cannot believe that I'm just drinking herbal tea while sitting in a wine bar. And it was very awkward and very uncomfortable. And 20 years later, we're married with kids.

[Buck Sexton]

Wait, how did he. How did he make the transition? How did he go from like, hey, I think something's been spiked in your tea to I'd like your phone number?

[Dr. Nicole Safire]

Oh, he was asking for my phone number the whole time. It took about two years for us to actually go on a date, but the man was persistence. And I'll tell you, persistence pays off.

[Buck Sexton]

I had a very wise man tell me, for many years, persistence is the key in all things. So There you go, Dr. Safire. Thank you so much, guys. Go check out wellness on Mass on the Clay and Buck Podcast. Podcast network. When you switch your cell phone to PureTalk, you're saving money every month without sacrificing quality. Because PureTalk operates on Americ most dependable 5G network, they use the same towers and network as the big wireless companies, but don't have the same overpriced cost. So they're able to pass on the savings to you. The Pure Chalk Pure Talk price point. Get this. $25 a month for unlimited talk, texts and plenty of data. Compare that to your current monthly cell phone bill and calculate the savings. You could save $600 or more every year. And with a family plan, more than a thousand dollars a year. And with Pure Talks Customer service Team, which is based in the US you can switch hassle free in as little as 10 minutes. You can also keep your phone and number so nothing changes except the reduced size of your bill. Using your cell phone, dial £250 and say the keywords Clay and Buck to make the switch. You'll save an additional 50% off your first month. Again, dial £250, say Clay and Buck to start saving today. Pure Talk Wireless by Americans for Americans.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Clay and Buck, we're going to be closing up shop here shortly. And I was just putting this out, maybe something, something of the dog experts in the audience can tell, can tell me about, because we're doing some more training with Ginger Spice. We have a, we have a baby. A baby's gonna be walking and just there's new, new things to take into account here. So, like, we can't have her jumping on people. I'm, I'm, of course, very bad about this, Clay. I come home and I'm one of these people who, I love the dog getting all excited and jumping on me and I'll carry her and she'll wrestle me and we have so much fun. But with a toddler, that's not good because she'll want to do that with a toddler and she'll knock the toddler down and he can hit his head and that kind of stuff.

[Katie Miller]

Stuff.

[Buck Sexton]

So we're doing some new training. So I was taking Ginger out for her walk today and, and I am always, I'm amazed at just how intuitive this little animal is and how she picks up on my moods and my tone and emotions, everything else. And I was walking today and I was like, she's being such a great little companion. She's a little Australian labradoodle, weighs about 25 pounds. A lot of you've seen photos of her brother and, and then I don't know where she dove into the biggest pile of poop I think I have. Like, I don't know if it was like, a horse or something and just got it all. And I sit there. I'm like, why this animal is so smart? She would never. She would never do that. I don't understand why this happens, Clay. I don't know. Then I'm reminded it is, in fact, an animal that I'm dealing with. It is, in fact, a cave.

[Clay Travis]

I think the most. The funniest part of this story is you put on a bathing suit and then got in the shower with your dog to clean the poop off of.

[Buck Sexton]

Her for, like, half an hour before the show today. That is what I was doing. I was in there now, scrubbing away.

[Clay Travis]

Question. Why not fully nude from you? Not to take people into the total nude universe here, but what was the thought process? You didn't want the dog to see you naked? Like, you were modest?

[Buck Sexton]

No, there was so much. There was so much external refuse on the dog. Oh, that.

[Clay Travis]

I was afraid of your exposure.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't want to get. No. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean? Like, I know it's a guy thing, but you don't want dog poop. It's one thing to get on my wrists or my hands. I don't want any dog poop down there, buddy. So, yes, I had to cover up a little bit. I had to cover up a little bit.

[Clay Travis]

I'm sorry. What happened? I was thinking. I was thinking about it till then, but I was like, is he modest? Is he, like, I don't want to be the, you know, nude with the dog.

[Buck Sexton]

No, it was.

[Clay Travis]

I remember it was.

[Buck Sexton]

I felt weird because it was so dirty, so I wanted to have a little protection down below because, you know, guys, we all know you got to protect that area. You got to protect first and foremost.

[Clay Travis]

I. When. When my youngest got sick once of many times. Right. If you're a parent, and I mean, just threw up all over himself. And my wife was also. My wife was also sick because unfortunately, Buck, as you will learn, when one.

[Buck Sexton]

Kid gets sick, everyone gets sick. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

It just runs through the whole family. Every kid gets it. You know, it just. It does Stomach bug, whatever else. And he threw up all over himself. And I was like, I. I mean, I can either, like, try to wash him, and I just got in the shower with him. Them. And. And, you know, because kids are too young to get in the shower when they're super young, but if you're holding them there and I was just like I'm gonna get it. So I was thinking about that when you were talking about the dog. It's just I'm gonna get it all off at once and and so you're just in there and you're just like anyway, I'm glad that you and the dog have survived and I'm glad that you managed to keep yourself from getting too too covered in poop. Really fun show. Encourage all of you subscribe to the podcast you just heard Dr. Sapphire. We we put together a great podcast network. Maybe you want a variety of different perspectives on health, on family. Whatever you are interested in, there is someone in our podcast network that can expand your audio universe and make it even more enjoyable than it otherwise would be. And certainly you can go subscribe with us too and go subscribe on YouTube where soon we will have video versions of the three hour program up for all of you to watch as well. Well get those bets in, get those picks in on prize picks. Use code CLAY50BUCKS. We'll see whether or not we hit on this one starting tomorrow. Love you guys. Appreciate all the time that you spend with us and we will take you into the weekend tomorrow with the Friday edition of the program.

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Dr. Nicole Safire]

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