Hour 3 - Ranking Our Presidents

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 3 – Ranking Our Presidents

Date: February 16, 2026 | Podcast: iHeartPodcasts | Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton

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Episode Overview

On this special President’s Day episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into the complexities and current perceptions of America’s presidents, discuss how historical narratives are shaped and weaponized, and swap cultural observations about pop culture’s shift away from positive portrayals of fatherhood. The episode moves from the origins and commercialization of President's Day, through the controversial results of a modern presidential ranking survey, to pointed commentary on Barack Obama's recent remarks and the broader manipulation of history for political ends. The hosts supplement the discussion with listener calls and nostalgic exchanges about TV dads, before closing with book recommendations and a nod to Mardi Gras.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. President’s Day – A “Weird Construct”

Timestamps: 03:00–04:12

• Buck notes the unclear purpose of President’s Day, joking that it's "really for getting a great deal on a mattress, maybe a lawnmower" (03:06).
• Clay clarifies that it began as Washington’s birthday, expanded to include Lincoln, and now is just a general holiday, often commercialized heavily by retailers.

2. YouGov Presidential Rankings – Surprises & Skepticism

Timestamps: 04:12–07:25

• Clay reviews the latest YouGov poll on Americans’ favorite presidents, which ranks Lincoln #1, JFK #2, Washington #3, with both Roosevelt (Theodore and Franklin) and Reagan making top 10.
• Buck is incredulous at JFK's #2 placement: “What? Get out of here. Trash. Trash.” (04:48)
• Both hosts highlight oddities, like John Adams at #7 and Obama and Carter reaching the top ten—“Obama, 9…Get out of here. What list is this? Is this communist.com?” (06:15).
• Clay notes Andrew Jackson now ranks much lower, mostly defined by the Trail of Tears, reflecting modern historical reinterpretation and activism.

Quote:

“When you and I were in school, Andrew Jackson would have been considered one of the best presidents…They have been so successful at defining Jackson entirely based on the Trail of Tears that he now has collapsed in his overall popularity.” —Clay Travis (06:32)

3. Rewriting History & Political Agendas

Timestamps: 07:25–09:53

• Buck argues the ongoing “fight over history is actually a fight over the narrative in the present.”
• He connects the negative recasting of Nixon and Jackson to progressive political narratives, referencing historical programs like Project Venona to illustrate under-taught facts about anti-communism.

Quote:

“There is power at stake with the history that we believe or with the history that we accept. And so that’s why the left is always rewriting history as fast as they can.” —Buck Sexton (07:25)

• Clay points out pop culture’s influence: Hamilton was saved from being removed from the $10 bill solely due to the Broadway musical’s popularity, while Jackson’s reputation tanked in the 21st century, and “Alexander Hamilton, who was never a president, has surged up entirely based on the way they're talked about today.” (09:27)

4. Obama’s Recent Interview – Tone-Deafness & Irony

Timestamps: 10:02–14:22

• Clay and Buck dissect Obama’s recent interview, where he claims the right traffics exclusively in “mean, angry, demagoguery…divisive politics,” versus the left’s “coming together” (10:45).
• Buck points out the irony, given Obama’s tenure included divisive movements like BLM and “bringing back race riots in the 21st century” (11:31).
• They mock Obama’s claim that Democrats “have a much harder job” because they aren’t “as mean and tough and nasty” as Republicans, calling it self-refuting (13:39).

Quotes:

“This is the most quintessential Obama thing in existence, which is to say something that is...self-refuting in the statement itself.” —Buck Sexton (10:13)
“Obama explicitly threatened to cut off education funds to I think it was North Carolina over the bathroom gender policy bill.” —Buck Sexton (14:22)

• Clay wonders how plugged in Obama truly is to current affairs, calling him “a rich, out-of-touch leftist like many of the people that are in Hollywood right now.” (12:01)

5. Listener Calls & Reactions

Timestamps: 20:55–23:41

• Pete from Minnesota queries if “white privilege” exists if “whiteness is imaginary,” riffing off AOC’s comments (21:01).
• Fun exchanges about Amish beards and mustaches, with pop culture references from “The Office” and C. Everett Koop.
• A listener from Pueblo criticizes promotion of “violent movies like the Godfather,” prompting Buck to clarify, “We're talking about a movie that's one of the most Oscar-winning of all time…Movies can be about bad people and be really entertaining.” (23:19)

6. Pop Culture, TV, and the Decline of the "Good Dad" Figure

Timestamps: 25:38–38:32

• The hosts discuss the changing depiction of families and dads in sitcoms: from positive, stable father figures (Full House, Family Matters, Fresh Prince) to modern antiheroes and flawed characters (Tony Soprano, Breaking Bad).
• Clay observes: “We basically have eliminated dads from pop culture and there are no positive dad pop culture characters. I think there is a huge opportunity to push back against the counterculture and solve this issue” (31:45).
• Both hosts reminisce about growing up with wholesome family TV and speculate on a market demand for its return.

Quotes:

“When's the last show that was popular where the good guys are just good?” —Clay Travis (28:17)
“These dads were dedicated, competent, masculine, handsome or handsome enough…then we kind of got into the era of dads are all kind of schlubs…” —Buck Sexton (29:45)

• There’s extended discussion of how media glamorizes antihero criminals, and how this shapes societal messaging.

7. Modern Movie and Sitcom Critique

Timestamps: 34:00–38:32

• Buck and Clay riff on “Pretty Woman,” “Big,” and “The Shape of Water,” critiquing their odd or dubious morals, and mock the idea that “Pretty Woman” is positive or aspirational.
• Clay maintains his standard for movies is simple: “Do I sit and watch it for two hours and not look at my watch…?” (37:34)
• Praise is reserved for select Netflix originals, especially “All Quiet on the Western Front.”

8. History Book Recommendations

Timestamps: 44:12–45:10

• Clay recommends Rick Atkinson’s World War II and Revolutionary War trilogies as engaging, in-depth, and non-political reads.
• Buck is nearly finished with “The Killer Angels” (winner of the 1976 Pulitzer Prize), endorsing it as “fantastic.”

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Notable Quotes By Topic

• On President’s Day’s Commercialization:

  "What is President's Day really for? Getting a great deal on a mattress, maybe a lawn mower, perhaps some outdoor furniture." —Buck Sexton (03:06)

• On Historical Narrative Manipulation:

  "There is power at stake with the history that we believe or with the history that we accept. And so that's why the left is always rewriting history as fast as they can." —Buck Sexton (07:25)

• On Obama’s Claims of Left-Wing Niceness:

  "Well, I mean, I actually think that Carter probably did less damage actively. Barack Obama's signature thing..." —Buck Sexton (08:45)

• On Pop Culture and TV Dads:

  "I think there's a demand for it...you have a very positive association with that [old family sitcoms]. There is a huge demand, I think, for dads and moms who live in a house and like each other."
  —Clay Travis (38:32)

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Memorable & Entertaining Moments

• Buck's incredulity at JFK’s ranking: "What? Get out of here. Trash. Trash." (04:48)
• Clay and Buck riffing on Hamilton: “That’s because a lot of Americans, unfortunately, when they think of Hamilton, Alexander Hamilton, they think of a Puerto Rican guy rapping badly.” (09:53)
• Playful mustache banter and references to “The Office” and “Amish beards.” (21:23)
• Listener outrage over The Godfather: “If you didn’t promote the disgusting and evil and violent movies like the Godfather series, these people were animals, man.” (22:44)
• Movie critique detour, culminating in Buck’s takedown: “Shape of Water was like brain damage.” (38:32)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:00 – Commercialization and confusion around President’s Day
• 04:12 – YouGov poll: Ranking of U.S. presidents; odd results and controversy
• 07:25 – The real power and consequences of historical narrative manipulation
• 10:13 – Obama’s recent interview; left vs right “niceness”
• 13:39 – Obama’s claims about the difficulty of being a Democrat
• 20:55 – Listener calls and humorous exchanges
• 25:38 – Pop culture depictions of fathers and antihero evolution
• 44:12 – Book recommendations

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Closing Thoughts

This fast-moving episode uses President’s Day as a springboard for wide-ranging, insightful, and often humorous commentary on how Americans view their leaders, how history is being massaged for political gain, and cultural trends in entertainment and family values. It’s packed with quotables, sharp critiques (especially of Obama and modern Hollywood), and nostalgia-fueled reflections on the kinds of heroes—presidential and paternal—that America celebrates.

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Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Well, it's just Washington's birthday and then they expect expanded it to Lincoln and now it's just kind of a weird construct.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, it's like expanded to Lincoln but it's like we're doing a dual birthday. So what kind of, kind of nonsense is this? This is a little, little bit of. It's a weird. Let's be honest. Let's be honest everybody. What is President's Day really for? Getting a great deal on a mattress, maybe a lawnmower, perhaps some outdoor furniture. Like that's really what President's Day is all about. It's a time for businesses to establish a post Christmas sale when they can move inventory. Am I right or am I right?

[Clay Travis]

I mean that certainly is the thing you would see back in the day. I don't know they advertise that as much. Back in the day when newspapers existed, there were always mattress cells. That was the big President's Day. I don't know that they really pull that anymore. But by the way, since it is President's Day and I know we're going to get to Obama, but did you see. I was actually stunned by something that I saw come down which I think is indicative of how successful they have been in defining modern day ideas of the presidency. Do you see the rankings for people today of who the best presidents are?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, no. Okay. I thought you were off roading as you tend to do and all of a sudden we're going to be talking about some football thing. No, this is actually about presidents directly on President's Day.

[Clay Travis]

I mean some of this is not going to surprise you. According to Americans. This is from YouGov. Abraham Lincoln is seen as the greatest president of all time. I think a lot of people would kind of nod along and say, you know, winning the Civil War, kind of a big deal. Ending slavery. George Washington, you don't like.

[Buck Sexton]

I think you got to give G. I think G Dubs is. It's got to be G Dubs.

[Clay Travis]

I'm sorry, he's in third. This one really surprised me. John F. Kennedy is second.

[Buck Sexton]

What? Get out of here. Trash. Trash.

[Clay Travis]

Listen to this.

[Buck Sexton]

In the trash.

[Clay Travis]

Abraham Lincoln, 1, John F. Kennedy, 2. George Washington, 3. This one surprised me a little bit. I think it's actually just a sign that people don't know there's more than one Roosevelt. Theodore Roosevelt, fourth place. And then Franklin Roosevelt, sixth place. Thomas Jefferson in fifth place. This one also surprised me. John Adams, who is like the big John Adams fans out there like that. He would be the seventh best president of all time. Little bit of a surprise.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, look, I think the founders, you. You got to give the. The early guys a little bit of a, you know, extra points for, you know, Washington. It's like if he, you know, Kamala messes up, she goes on a book tour. Washington messed up. He was going to get hanged. Right. It's a different deal.

[Clay Travis]

And the whole country was potentially going to cease to exist. Either. Either way. Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

But I'm saying states were maybe a.

[Clay Travis]

Little bit more significant for Washington than others.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, yeah. I think you got to give Washington a little bit more. I think it's interesting that Jefferson doesn't appear on these.

[Clay Travis]

Well, Jefferson is at 5. FD.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, he's at 5. Okay.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. John Adams, 7. Ronald Reagan, 8. Madison, 9. And then it starts to get wonky. Obama, 9.

[Buck Sexton]

Get out of here. What list is this? Is this. Is this communist.com? what is this?

[Clay Travis]

How Americans rate presidents. And this one blew my mind. Jimmy Carter plus six.

[Buck Sexton]

The communists. This is all trash. The bots from India have made this thing up. There's no way.

[Clay Travis]

What. What jumped out to me is, okay, Richard Nixon, not very popular. Joe Biden, not very popular. George W. Bush, a lot of current presidents, by and large, not very popular. But this one, Andrew Jackson minus three. And I don't think a lot of people think about this, but when they were trying to take Jackson off the $20 bill, which seems to basically have ended, they have basically created in the world the idea that all Andrew Jackson did in his eight years as president was the Trail of Tears. And I thought this was interesting because when you and I were in school, Andrew Jackson would have been considered one of the best presidents in the country. And they have been so successful at defining Jackson entirely based on the Trail of Tears that he now has collapsed in his overall popularity.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is why this stuff matters, is because these fights over history are actually fights over the narrative in the present. Right? This is it all. It all is meant to influence our thinking and our feelings about what is in the here and now. There is power at stake. Stake with the history that we believe or with the history that we accept. And so that's why the left is always rewriting history as fast as they can. And you noted Nixon. I know we're all supposed to hate Nixon so much. The Democrat party in this country hated Nixon because he was a staunch anti communist. And he was right about the fact that they were a bunch of damn commies and sold out the country at the highest levels. So they were kind of ticked off about that. So they tried to get him back. There's a lot of stuff that people don't. And you look up the Venona Project, which was a top secret military program about the penetrations of. Of the United States government. All Democrats, by the way, including at some of the very highest levels of our government. This was a real thing. It was declassified in the 80s, I think it was. And the communist menace was far more. Kids don't even learn about this in school. And how many people even know about the Project Venona? There's very, very few. But Clay, my point on all this is. Yeah, of course they want to find presidents of the past and elevate them that are meant to push certain ideas and policies today. I mean, the notion of Barack Obama is a great president. That's. That's absurd. The notion of Jimmy Carter is as a great.

[Clay Travis]

Jimmy Carter is even crazy to me.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I mean, I actually think that Carter probably did less damage actively. Barack Obama's signature thing. Well, you know, should we get into their Obama.

[Clay Travis]

Well, yeah, let's get into. Let me hit you with one more thing because I think you made a good point about the fact that the history is being used to dictate the way we talk today. They tried to replace Andrew Jackson with Harriet Tubman. I think that's been somewhat forestalled. But remember, they were going to replace Alexander Hamilton on the $10 bill, but Hamilton the musical was so popular that they rescinded the idea of taking him off money. This is 200 years after he died in the duel with Aaron Burr. So if you're out there and you're thinking, oh, a lot of these guys have to have fixed historical records because it's been 200 years since they died. Jackson has been torn down, really, in the 21st century. Meanwhile, Alexander Hamilton, who was obviously never a president, has surged up entirely based on the way they're talked about today. It's not like they're Continuing to alter the trajectory of their presidencies or we're still having fallout from it.

[Buck Sexton]

That's because a lot of Americans, unfortunately, when they think of Hamilton, Alexander Hamilton, they think of a Puerto Rican guy rapping badly.

[Clay Travis]

So that's true. That's why they gets to stay on the $10 bill. It is really crazy. Okay, on Obama, he did a sit down interview. He said a lot of things. Let's start running through this.

[Buck Sexton]

This is the most, this is the most quintessential Obama thing in existence, which is to say something that is that he in fact is self refuting in the statement itself. He was sitting down with some left wing podcast guy and here we go. Obama, this is cut nine about how we the right are angry and mean and divisive. Unlike them, the left, they, them who are warm, cuddly, fantastic and inclusive.

[Caller or Guest]

Play 9 the Other side does the mean angry demagoguery, you know, exclusive us them, you know, divisive politics. That's their, that's, that's their home court. Our court is coming together. Our court is, look, you know, a great example. Wasn't political. Bad bunnies halftime show.

[Buck Sexton]

I knew you were going to say that.

[Caller or Guest]

Well, it was, it resonated. It was smart because it wasn't preaching, it was showing. It was demonstrating and displaying. This is what a community is.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay. He's wrong on all counts. But I also love the unlike those other jerks, we're really nice and inclusive. We're the inclusive side while being exclusive of them. Barack Obama's tenure was, I think more than anything else characterized by bringing back race riots in the 21st century. BLM 1.0. It brought people together while they were burning down neighborhoods out of anti white rage. That's not good.

[Clay Travis]

I wonder how plugged in Obama actually is on very much that's going on. How much is him knowingly lying versus just not really paying that much attention to the day to day trajectories of politics. And the reason why I ask that is remember Kamala tried to call him out, you know, go to the bullpen, so to speak. And Obama came and tried to campaign for Kamala and I thought was really bad and seemed tone deaf. He lectured black guys that they needed to vote for her and that it was sexist of them not to be supporting Kamala in the same way that he was supported. And he never really got engaged with Biden at all because I think Obama knew Biden was out to lunch and wasn't able to actually do the job. And so when I see and hear these sit downs. He sounds pretty out of touch with what's going on right now. And obviously when you're the president of the United States, you have to be at least aware of what's going on. I think he's just a rich, out of touch leftist like many of the people that are in Hollywood right now. And what cut exactly did you play because there's so many of you?

[Buck Sexton]

I played nine, but there's so many, so many others we can get into here. We could do the whole show just on Obama's nonsense.

[Clay Travis]

11 Obama says they have a much harder job than Republicans because they're not as mean other than trying to kill Trump a couple of times. Cut 11 yes, we have a harder.

[Caller or Guest]

Job because sometimes I think we're tough on Democrats saying, why aren't you being as mean and tough and nasty as they are? Well, you know, when I was president of the United States, I suppose I could have simply unilaterally ordered the military to go into some red state and harass and intimidate a governor there or cut off funding for states that didn't vote for me. I could have exercised that prerogative. But that is contrary to how I think our democracy is supposed to work. And I think we shouldn't get discouraged by the fact that we have a tougher job. What we should do is expect that our side is smart enough to figure it out.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay Obama explicitly threatened to cut off education funds to I think it was North Carolina over the bathroom gender policy bill. Essentially you have to let trannies use whatever bathroom they want or else we're going to in school or else we're going to cut off.

[Clay Travis]

That's when the NBA was our game.

[Buck Sexton]

Remember that? He was thuggish in his use of government power. He sued nuns, for heaven's sakes. And he's complaining about Trump enforcing immigration law. Really, he's a nice guy.

[Clay Travis]

I would like to hear someone interviewed who is on the left and I would like the question to be we hit a 125 year low in murders. Do you think Donald Trump deserves any credit for that at all? Because you're talking about him sending troops into red states and sorry, whether Obama could have done it, sending troops into blue states. The results of that have been that way. More people who tended to vote Democrat are alive today than otherwise would I would just like to hear somebody say, does Trump deserve any credit at all? Do you think the southern border being the most secure than it's ever been in our life? Do you think that is in any way connected to us setting 125 year low for murders? What answer will they? I'd like to hear AOC really answer that because whatever you think about Obama, he's smart. AOC is a moron. We'll continue to talk about this. We'll take your calls. We got some interesting talkbacks. As I said to finish off the second hour of the program, I did not expect to be criticized for what we are being criticized for, but we will play it Power outages can happen without warning weather disruptions. One reason wildfire preparation another protecting homes and lands from downed power lines that are live. We just had to deal with hundreds of thousands of people being without power, some for as many as nearly two weeks in my hometown of Nashville. I'm down in Florida right now and I was talking to people here who were in the Oxford, Mississippi area, which was maybe the most hard hit in the entire country with the recent huge winter storm that swept through some people without power for weeks in the Mississippi area. Rapid Radios can help you stay in touch no matter what happens. When it comes to catastrophic weather, whether it's tornado tornadoes, whether it's snowstorms, whether it's hurricanes, this can make a ton of difference for you. If you go to rapidradios.com right now, you can check out the new Rad1, see the full emergency features and grab the launch offer while it's still live. When the world goes quiet, make sure you don't communication redefined only. [e-mail] that's rapid radios.com news you can.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Whiteness is imaginary. Does that mean white privilege isn't a thing?

[Clay Travis]

It's a very legit question. White privilege could not exist if whiteness is imaginary. A good question that would have followed up for AOC to explain exactly what that would mean. Let's have some more fun. Sean in Pennsylvania, News Radio 570 WKBN has this to say.

[Buck Sexton]

You ought to do the Amish man.

[Clay Travis]

Beard, where you have the beard and.

[Buck Sexton]

You shave the mustache.

[Clay Travis]

The Amish beard, Buck, remember, who's the most famous person you can think of with the Amish beard in recent history? I've got an answer. I'm curious if you come up with the same one.

[Buck Sexton]

I got. I got nothing, buddy. I have no idea.

[Clay Travis]

Moses Schrute on the Office. He has got the old school Amish beard. Just the beard. No, Craig. Producer Greg says, see Everett Coop. I haven't seen that name in a very long time. He had Amish beard ed in Titusville, Florida. Wfla.

[Buck Sexton]

If I had a mustache like Clay, I would be embarrassed to even call out a mustache. Whoa, hey, hey. You know, mustache team, you need to encourage. You guys need more in your ranks. I'm just going to be honest with you right now. Right now, the mustache. Unless you're a pilot. Pilots, they get special mustache, you know, dispensation. But for the rest of you out there, the mustache is almost like a curiosity right now. It's like, whoa, you've got a mustache. Not a lot of Mustachio gentlemen walking around.

[Clay Travis]

This one stuns me. Buck, we can have some fun reacting to this. Richard and Pueblo, Colorado. I gotta be honest with you, I never expected this to set anyone off.

[Caller or Guest]

D you2, if you didn't.

[Buck Sexton]

Promote the disgusting and evil and violent movies like the Godfather series, these people were animals, man.

[Caller or Guest]

And that you promote them pretty much disgusts me.

[Buck Sexton]

Now, can I just say we're talking about a movie that's like one of the most Oscar winning movies of all time. So I don't know about us promoting them. I will say that I Actually there's a little. The gentleman needs to take a walk outside, touch grass.

[Clay Travis]

It's.

[Buck Sexton]

It's ok. But I will say one, one thing here, Clay. The. The depiction of the mafia, the American mob, the Cosa Nostra, as like honorable men who really. No, they actually like, threaten small business owners and like hurt people that are defenseless and take their money like they are bad guys. Actually that's, that's.

[Clay Travis]

Movies can be about bad people and be really entertaining. I would just toss out there.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

All right.

[Buck Sexton]

Crash. DJ Crash. What is that intro we just heard? Because we all. Clay and I know we know that song but I don't know the name of that song.

[Caller or Guest]

What is that?

[Buck Sexton]

Vehicle by the Ides of Martin.

[Clay Travis]

I know it from Shaft. That's the only place I ever remember hearing that intro.

[Buck Sexton]

Is this Crash? Are you just. You just running a playlist in circa 1970-1975? Is that what you are? Is that how you're rolling here for the show? Just so I know. So we're all clear on this one because this up. Oh okay. That says he's not even picking it all. I thought he was in charge of. Of DJing this thing because I'm learning new songs here. I have no idea what some of this stuff is. So some of. Some of the funky tunes. Oh, Mike left. Producer Mike is out right now and he left some some tracks behind for us to. To groove out.

[Clay Travis]

He's having surgery. We wish him well. I don't know if he'll be listening to the program as he's recuperating but. And we hope he's getting back safe and sound.

[Buck Sexton]

So we have a bunch of things to get to. We were just though talking about the. The Mafia thing. I will say that was always the Problem we had. We had a listener get very mad that we're promoting them like the Mafia, which I don't think that's what we're doing. The Godfather is kind of a universally celebrated film. There are plenty of movies, you know, I could say the Exorcist things that we could get.

[Clay Travis]

And by the way, the reason we were talking about the Godfather is this is a sad story. Robert Duvall died 95 years old. So we were talking about all the movies that he had been in that were iconic, and the Godfather is one of those roles. I said Lonesome Dove, which is one of the great westerns of all time. I did not anticipate that we would be criticized for Saying the Godfather 1 and 2 are good films. Worth.

[Buck Sexton]

I didn't see that one coming. But I will say, I think in general that the. The Italian mafia in America has gotten far more generous pop culture treatment than it actually deserves. That's my. And I had a. An uncle in law enforcement who worked against the mob in New York for a while. And he. This was a thing. He would. He would kind of stand on this one. He would. He would say. He would stand on this hill and he would say that the notion that these guys, they're all just, you know, they're honorable family guys who got to do what they got to do. I mean, there may be a little bit of that, but there was a lot of, I'm sending two thugs to collect the gambling debt, and I'm going to break, you know, this single father's kneecaps unless they give me the money. Like that's actually what they were doing.

[Clay Travis]

So is it fair to say, I think this is probably accurate, that whatever criminal element you were in, it has been better received? Like, there aren't that many in the last 20 years. I would say good guy, bad guy setups. It feels like the bad guys have become the anti hero. No matter whether it's the mob, whether it's drug dealing, whatever it is, they have flipped the script on good guys.

[Buck Sexton]

Right?

[Clay Travis]

Like, who is the last real good guy that was popular in popular culture and he didn't have a dark side? I was. Why? The reason I was actually thinking about this because Laura, last night as we got ready for bed, was watching Little House on the Prairie. Whatever you think about Little House on the Prairie, it was a top show for eight or nine years. And all we talked about this before. All of the father figures are just really good. Like, Michael Landon is just a really. Pa Is a really good guy. When's the last show that was popular where the good guys are just good.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is. Now you're getting into the broader, broader theme of. I think in general, Hollywood has. And the creative industries in this country in general have just have pushed a lot of degeneracy and a lot of, you know, we grew up and there would be shows. And now I'm giving up the game here because Clay and I actually watched the same shows because he would have been in high school at the same time, but there were shows like Full House. Danny Tanner, which is funny because Bob Saget in Rest in Peace in real life was kind of a salty comedian.

[Clay Travis]

But.

[Buck Sexton]

But Danny Tanner, salty on, on Full House, was like lovable, reliable dad, all about his kids. You know, wife had died, I think of cancer or something on the show. I forget what the backstory was, but same thing with Carl from Full House. I'm sorry, not Full House. Family Matters. Lovable dad, cop, middle class, black family. You know, everybody.

[Clay Travis]

Same thing with Fresh Prince, Uncle Phil the Kid. I know what happened with Bill Cosby, but.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I know this is. We always do the Cosby thing. Like, you know, there's Cosby the character versus. You got to be able to separate these things a little bit. So, yeah, Fresh Prince, by the way, you know, that house is up for. That house is like a 60 million dollar house now that they.

[Clay Travis]

That they show as the base.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, no, it's not like a nice house. It's a crazy nice house. Is that that.

[Clay Travis]

Well, that they. The growing pains, like you run through Tony Danza, who's the boss? Every dad. Tim Allen.

[Buck Sexton]

These dads were dedicated, competent, masculine, handsome, or handsome enough. And then we kind of got into the era of dads are all kind of schlubs or. The only dads that can be competent are dads that are sort of non traditional. You know, they have something about them that is, you know, maybe there's two dads. Then the dads can be good. Like, you start to look at this and you go, what really is the messaging that is being sent? I think that this is. I think it's very real. I don't think this is something that we sound like church lady from SNL over here. Like, well, isn't that special? Like, I think that there's actually a real thing behind this. And it's. You know who I would say? Coach Eric Taylor, Friday Night Lights, last.

[Clay Travis]

Great dad character on television.

[Buck Sexton]

He's a great. I also, I'm like a Carl Kyle Chandler superfan is like, I like him at everything he's in, I think. And if you haven't seen Friday Night Lights, it's a little weird because they have like 30 year old Abercrombie models playing like 16 year old high school kids. You got to get past that for a second, which is they don't really do. You know, they actually have people that play their age much more now there. It wasn't too long ago I even showed you Clay. Well, my mom played a high school student in Summer of My German Soldier. She was in her 20s and had two kids. She was playing a 16 year old.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, right. It was very common. I mean two one zero is the most like back in the day, I mean you had people who were in their 30s.

[Buck Sexton]

Like Andrea was in her 30s playing.

[Clay Travis]

Zuckerman was like 35 playing a 16.

[Buck Sexton]

I've never seen someone in their 30s that. I'm like, they look like they're in high school. Like that's not a thing. So that was something that we all just accepted in television for a while. Was very weird. Friday Night Lights has a little bit of that. Like some of the characters are well cast, but some of them look way my. The guy who gets paralyzed in the show, to me he looks like he's, you know, in his late twenties. And also Tyra. There are no high school girls that look like Tyra. She went on to play like a Marvel superheroine or whatever right after this. Like that's. I met her in high school.

[Clay Travis]

I got to meet her once. I was such a fan of Friday Night Lights. She was in the. At the hotel bar by the Fox lot. And. And I went over and said I'm a huge fan. But I mean to your point, we basically have eliminated dads from pop culture and there are no positive dad pop culture characters. And I think there is a huge opportunity to push back against the counterculture and solve this issue. I think there's a demand for it.

[Buck Sexton]

Have you. It's the Tim Allen show. Is that one that I didn't forget what people. I. I always get lit up for not having watched. I really have not seen Tim Allen's stuff and I know ever says he's great and is he a dad?

[Clay Travis]

The Last Man Standing is good. He's great in the Santa Claus, which a lot of people see every Christmas season as a, you know, failed or struggling dad. But I think there just became this idea we're talking about the mob. Tony Soprano to me became the ideal father figure and it just descent meaning in terms of what they wanted to Create in, in, in art, in, in shows. And then it descended from Soprano and just got worse and worse.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, I guess they, they have to because they can't have. You hate the guy. But the truth is they're always like, he's not really a mobster because he always will kind of draw this line of not doing the thing that's like, really goes too far. And the truth is that's not the way that these guys operate. And then they hurt a lot of. They hurt and threaten a lot of, of innocent, defenseless people. That's actually what organized crime does. Like, no one makes these excuses for the Russian mob. Like, the Russian mob is particularly ruthless with what they do back home in Russia. It's one of the ways they enforce. I worked with an NYPD guy who spent his whole career in the Russian mob. I used to ask him questions about this all the time. And he says that they hear, they just want to rip people off and run scams. But if you're part of the Russian community and you rat or you do, they'll. They'll get your family back in Russia. That's actually how they go after people a lot of the time. And they're absolutely ruthless. No one's like, yeah, but they're family guys, you know what I mean?

[Clay Travis]

You know, who never has a positive portrayal, probably deservedly so. Cartels. There's no, like, oh, the cartels are actually pretty good guys.

[Buck Sexton]

And I mean, Sosa and Scarface is pretty slick, but I hear you. So. So you're like, if I have to hang out with a cartel guy, this guy, I bet he throws great dinner parties.

[Clay Travis]

Most of the Mexican cartel stories or the Latin American stories, the bad guys are pretty bad. But anyway, I do think it's emblematic that this conversation came out of the guy being upset. The movie is fantastic. It is an aspirational. And it reminds me of. Do you remember when I thought Julia Roberts actually had a great response on this? But when Pretty Woman came out, so the Julia Roberts started getting criticized and they said, you know, my daughter now wants to grow up and be a hooker.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I agree with the Pretty Woman criticism. I think Pretty Woman is a trash movie. It's bizarre. The whole thing makes no sense.

[Clay Travis]

But her argument was, well, it's. You shouldn't be showing Pretty Woman to like a 10 year old. Well, that's like, that's a.

[Buck Sexton]

That's also true. But. But I think that's a little bit.

[Clay Travis]

Of a cop out.

[Buck Sexton]

Because the whole. If you think about Pretty Woman It's a horrible movie. Like, I mean, I'm not saying it's not entertaining. I'm not saying it's not entertaining. But if you look at what this is about, first of all, I mean, I don't know, you know, are you.

[Clay Travis]

Suggesting that super rich guys who are good looking like Richard Gere, don't and.

[Buck Sexton]

Fundamentally kind and decent aren't picking up hookers on rodeo or not a rodeo drive on Hollyw Boulevard and then having them live with them for the week? Yeah, not so much. It is an absurd and honestly grotesque movie, but it's got a good soundtrack and you know, everyone's supposed. I'm also, by the way, Julia Roberts, overrated maybe, Maybe even, I mean not quite as overrated as Natalie Portman, but still overrated. I don't care what anyone.

[Clay Travis]

I think Julia Roberts, back in the day, I was going to say, you know what movie really doesn't stand up big.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh yeah. Weird, weird.

[Clay Travis]

Big, which made like $500 million back in the day and starred Tom Hanks, is if you watch big today, you're like, this is a super, super weird movie, like on so many different levels. Go back, go back.

[Buck Sexton]

I thought that, I thought the recent movie with the, I said it's the woman who falls in love with her aquarium pet, the Shape of Water. This woman falls in. It won the best picture Clay like five years ago or something. It's a woman who basically like a weird amphibious thing. Amphibious? Well, she's saying, producer Ali's saying splash.

[Clay Travis]

Splash is like mermaids.

[Buck Sexton]

Mermaids are, you know, I mean a mermaid, you got the top half is human.

[Clay Travis]

Also, the mermaid is clearly not real. Right. Like, just FYI, I don't want to kill any of the big mermaid truthers.

[Buck Sexton]

Out there, but, but the, the Shape of Water, this is a full on like amphibious monster. And she's like, let's, let's, let's get down with some, some naughty time and.

[Clay Travis]

Were you on a date? How did this end up on your repertoire of watching films?

[Buck Sexton]

It was years ago. I probably was on a date. I, I, everything that's really bad that I get.

[Clay Travis]

This doesn't sound like what, hey, you know what I want to do in my free time? I want to watch the Shape of Water. This sounds like something you got dragged picture Oscar.

[Buck Sexton]

Not like it was nominated, Clay. It won best picture. It's not even a good movie and it has this woman who's falling in love with. The whole thing is bizarre degeneracy, pure degeneration. And people get Mad at me because they say I don't like everything. That's not true because like on Netflix, I said the rip, which you liked, by the way, which is a totally. Clay, Clay, Clay.

[Clay Travis]

I trash. My standard for movies is do I sit and watch it for two hours and not look at my watch to know how I couldn't get through it?

[Buck Sexton]

I couldn't even fit. I bailed last like half hour. I'm like, this movie is so, so dumb. Makes no sense at all. But people ask the Netflix. Netflix has got great movies. Did the recent Frankenstein movie on Netflix, if those of you who actually read the original, I heard that it's pretty good.

[Clay Travis]

I've seen it advertised.

[Buck Sexton]

Really good. It's a beautiful rendition of the true Frankenstein tale. And it's done by. Not Benicio del Toro, the other del Toro, whatever his name is. You know, the. Not the actor, but the directors. Guillermo. Guillermo del Toro and. And also the. The All Quiet on the Western front. Netflix movies. One of the best. One of the best war movies I've ever seen. Maybe even a top 10 war movie. Definitely top 20. So they do do some good stuff. I'm not just here to trash things, but. But man, the Shape of Water was like brain damage.

[Clay Travis]

I think there's a lot of. Again, I. I just go back and I was thinking about it even more as I watched Little House. I think I'm just telling you, if you're out there, Full House, Fresh Prince, Family Matters, Growing Pains, Cosby show, who's the Boss? If you grew up in the 80s or the 90s, you have a very positive association with that. There is a huge demand, I think, for dads and moms who live in a house and like each other, sometimes argue and. Or the family ties. Like all of these shows back in the day, they were so good and so popular. I don't believe that that demand has vanished. I really don't. I think that there is an ample opportunity to satisfy a market that has not been served in a long time with good options there. But I gotta tell you, if you want to relive some nostalgia, if you want to go back into the 80s, the 90s, maybe the 70s, the 60s, the 50s, whatever old media you have, if you would like to digitize it and have it available for everyone out there in your world, that's exactly what Legacy Box does. They take old VHS tapes, slides, film reels, boxes of loose photos, and they digitize them so you can make sure they're preserved forever. Legacy Box is the company that does it. Best Founded over a decade ago, Legacy Box has a team of 200 technicians. I went into their Chattanooga studio. I was blown away by what good work they do and I'm actually going to be seeing these guys on Monday. We're doing an event in the Nashville area and I love everything that Nick and Adam have done. The company that they have built. Get hooked up right now with a great offer. 50 off today. If you go to legacybox.com clay you get to keep your originals. They'll digitize them, they'll send it, you can share it with the entire family. Preserve your family's history for the rest of your lives and the young people out there. Legacybox.com clay for 50 off that's a legacybox.com clay making America great Again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in. Buck's book is out tomorrow. Go buy it. Manufacturing Delusion. He will be excited to have you be able to read it. We've been talking about it a while. Let me give you a couple of hits. History Recommendations I've been down this weekend reading Rick Atkinson. He's got a World War II trilogy. The one that I'm reading right now is about the war in North Africa, which I knew very little about during World War II. But given that it is Washington's birthday, Rick Atkinson's Revolutionary War trilogy. He's got two of the three. Done. If you are looking for a deep, engrossing, incredibly well done, not political, just write up of the Revolutionary War. It is so well done. I give it my highest recommendation. And again, you can just get totally lost in it.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm almost done with your killer Angels, by the way. It's one of. I read a few books at a time on Kindle. I'm almost finished with. It's fantastic. That's a very solid record.

[Clay Travis]

I think 1976 won the Pulitzer Prize. It's great. Let's see Ray in New Orleans. Let's celebrate. Tomorrow is Marty Gras F. We'll close him out. Let him sing the praises of Fat Tuesday.

[Caller or Guest]

Hey, guys.

[Buck Sexton]

Y' all talk about President's Day and how it's a goofy holiday and stuff. It's also down here. It's in New Orleans. It's Mardi Gras. So right now it's Monday. It's actually Looney Gras for Fat Monday, but we're having a great old time down here. So we got a lot of people at work and a lot of people not at work because we're celebrating Mardi Gras. So happy Mardi Gras and y' all have a great President's Day.

[Clay Travis]

We will have a good Mardi Gras tomorrow with the baby in the cake. You know the baby in the cake story, Buck. It's fun.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. The king. King cake.

[Clay Travis]

That's right.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Thanks for hanging with us. Buy book Box Book.

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