A (4:30)

Here's Trump continuing with his chat with the Artemis 2 crew. This is cut 10 from the commander in Chief. Here he is.

B (4:37)

I really look forward to when we can. I look forward to seeing you in the Oval Office. I'll ask Jared to bring you over and I'll ask for your autograph because I don't really ask for autographs much, but you deserve that. You really are something. Everybody's talking about this and I look forward to having you in the Oval Office at the White House and we will celebrate your incredible achievements and triumphs. This is big. This is really big stuff. The whole world is talking about it and if you have the time, I will certainly find the time. I've been pretty busy also, as you know, but I will absolutely find the time and we'll get together and I'm going to be giving you a big salute on behalf of the American people. And beyond that, thank you for that, Mr. President.

A (5:24)

And when you want us, we will be there. Clay One of the last groups, it seems, around last occupations, last cultural heroes that feel like they're still a bipartisan high five can go out to them. It's not about. It is about the greatness of mankind and scientific achievement and exploration and whatever. Astronauts, I feel like people still like astronauts. I think there hasn't been a, you know, I don't know about people in lab coats who are like, turn and cough. Give me your knee. Let's check your reflexes. Ever since Fauci, doctors have gone in for some rough stuff. But astronauts, people like.

C (6:07)

That's a great question. I think astronauts probably number one. What are like the top two or three professions that people still hold in high esteem? That's a astronaut might be number one. Where you just, you know, kind of. I think military and police are still very high in the general population.

A (6:25)

Cops are very. That's. Cops can go.

C (6:27)

I think our culture, they've come back now after being attacked for a long time. I think military typically rate very highly. This is also fun. I don't know if you've seen some on social media. I saw a funny comment. I don't remember who to attribute it to, but it was very funny that the Flat Earthers are like the conspiracy. They're one of the few conspiracists to actually get blown up. You know, it's hard to still be a Flat Earther, I think on. Now that we've sent astronauts again and we're getting. I think it was always hard.

A (7:00)

I said this on the show. I said, what happens to all those guys now? What becomes speaker one.

C (7:06)

Yeah, I tell you what they're moving on to. They're saying that these are all fake.

A (7:09)

Well, this is what they have to. Yeah, it's fake all over again. It's actually like Wag the Dog for Trump's Iran debacle or something like that. It has to be, because you can never. The thing about getting deep into the conspiracy is that the conspiracy can never end. The whole fun of it is that you have no accountability for being wrong. And you know something that no one else knows. There's always more information to prove that you're right. So the conspiracy can never be proven wrong.

C (7:37)

So this is going to go dark because we were that. I would say that was a lot of light.

A (7:41)

We're trying to have a nice light.

C (7:43)

We were having a lot of light and a lot of positivity about space. I think that. And I said this the other day in a public forum, and I don't know if it got picked up or not. But I think I've said it on the show before. If I haven't, some people should get bankrupted for the things that they say. And some of you out there are going to say, well, Clay, what about free speech? You can believe in free speech, but free speech does not mean that it's freedom from consequence. And some of the things that I see online, and I'll use as an example the idea, like if you made your entire world based on the idea that, hey, flat Earth is going to exist, you mentioned the idea of, hey, the world's going to come to an end tomorrow. And you get a lot of attention. People have done this for generations. They've said, hey, the world's going to end tomorrow. And then the day comes, world doesn't end, and then you get up the next day and you. Unless you pull into Jonestown, you get everybody to commit suicide with you.

D (8:42)

And.

C (8:42)

Which is a super dark element of this.

A (8:45)

Have we ever talked about the Reasonable Lists on the show? I feel like I've mentioned this years and years ago, but I don't know if you and I. I don't think so. I don't know that from. Well, aren't you curious about the group known as the Reasonable Lists?

C (8:57)

Yes.

A (8:57)

And they. This is. This is from the TV show Parks and Rec, which was, I think, an NBC sitcom which I've seen, I've saw, saw all the episodes of it. There are some people who say that I even look like one of the actors from the show. And I would disagree with that. But it is something that I hear. But that's a show. And there is a group that meets in the park that every year to celebrate the end of the world. And like the aliens coming to take everybody. And they call themselves the Reasonableists because how could you. How can you argue with people who are the Reasonableists? But every year they have to. And this is like the joke on the show. Every year they have to come up with why it wasn't the end of the world. And that's true of a lot of people in the conspiracy mindset. No matter what you. No matter what you provide to them, it's, oh, you're in on it. Oh, there's more. Oh, that's fake. And that's true of the flat Earth, fake moon landing people as well. You'll never. The fun of the game is that they just get to make it up as they go along. And they're smarter than everybody else. Right. It's really more of a psychological posture than it is actually an analysis of what's real and what's not.

C (10:04)

But when you are proven objectively to be wrong and that objectively being wrong has no consequences for you. And even worse than that, it is rewarded because you make more money than you otherwise would. And I'm not talking about opinion. Right. You know what should happen in Iran that is largely opinion based. Right. Everybody can have whatever opinion they want. But there are some things that are 1 billion percent untrue. For instance, today I saw as I'm going around social media, it is now trending that Trump is responsible for Charlie Kirk being murdered. That is a new argument that is out there that some people are going to make a lot of money arguing in favor of. And I just look around and you and I were talking about this off air that I think these conspiracies on Charlie Kirk in particular have so taken root, Buck, that I'm saying this as if I was an attorney. His defense, this Tyler Robinson I believe is his name, the charged killer of Charlie Kirk. His defense is going to come out of this Internet cesspool and it is going to be that he was set up and they are going to argue in front of the courts and everything else. His I didn't do this. I was set up. It was Donald Trump, it was Israel, it was Erica Kirk, it was all these different people that clearly had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there is such a feverdom in the social media space that there is going to be an actual murder defense that is rooted on these lies. And Buck, here's what's scary to me. It might work. There might be.

A (11:55)

Well, all you need is one member of that jury who is a self conspiracist.

C (12:00)

That's right.

A (12:01)

And believes this stuff. Look, I get people the stuff that's proliferating on the Internet on the right these days. You know, I'm going to tell you guys this. My book and I'm sorry, Clay, Clay's been very patient with me pitching the book all the time. But I mean they dropped the price recently. Clay manufacturing, deletion.

C (12:16)

No, it's a great deal.

A (12:17)

Even better. One part of the book though that I in retrospect, people ask me, can this affect the right. The stuff that I talk about which has completely overtaken the left. Okay. And we go through on the client. I talk about this on a daily basis on the show, the men and women sports things and the, you know, the climate change which you don't really hear about very much anymore. But it's like the biggest threat in the world. And all the Fauci, you know, vaccine, take it or you're going to die. Madness, all these things. The left went nuts, ok? And the left made itself nuts. And that's a big thing. People ask me, Clay, they say, can the same stuff happen on the right? And the answer is, yeah, it's happening. It didn't really happen when I was writing the book, which is why it's not in there. But I might have to come back to this now and be like, hey, guys, this can be a problem on our side, too. People can manufacture delusions on the right as well. And when you're having people say that Donald Trump had one of his and somebody who was effectively like an adopted son to him, you know what? I can't even say it on the air. It's like too gross to even say. Honestly, it's just so.

C (13:18)

But this is, I think it is at some point, there are no consequences. And worse than consequences, there's actually reward for insanity in media. And I think it's now the fever pitch there is going to legitimately lead to a defense in a court, is going to be, he didn't do it. This was all one big conspiracy. And my concern is that One of the 12 jurors in Utah is going to be susceptible to this argument and might well buy it.

A (13:51)

Do you remember the Westboro Baptist Church? Oh, yeah, we're just the disgusting, disgusting, just slovenly, moral Cretan mess of the Westboro. And they would show up at soldiers funerals and say the worst imaginable things. Now, do they have a First Amendment right? You know, I mean, where are they? Are they on private property? Is it? But, you know, on the roads or something? Yeah, they have a First Amendment right. But it was such, such a clearly disgusting thing. People that are saying that Charlie Kirk, that people who are either his wife or his dear friends or the Trump administration had anything to do with any. It's up there with West Westboro Baptist Church stuff. It is. It's that level of like, come on. That's just disgusting. So, you know, people have said, why don't we get into this? Because we don't want to get into the muck. We want to talk about what's really happening. But, I mean, Clay's telling me this is trending right now on, on Twitter. Guys. Now, I don't need to say this to any of you because you're listening to us, because you don't like the crazy idiocy. You like real people with real thoughts who are leading happy and successful lives, who appreciate and love all of you and want to bring you the truth. But there's a lot of nonsense out there right now on the right. There's a lot of it. You got to watch out. It's not just the other team. Okay, look, we're online shoppers, Carrie and I, big time. And she gets Costco whenever she can. But online shopping is, that is, you know, in our blood, you could say, in fact, we're buying plants for our home online from a website that we love, Fast Growing trees dot com. Not just because they have a larger selection and guarantee that comes with that purchase, but because the team at Fast Growing Trees knows which plants and trees will grow best in South Florida. For that matter, they know what grows best in every zip code in the US if you're thinking of planting new trees in your yard this spring, or shrubs, even plants, Fast Growing trees will get you the very best versions of them. And Fast Growing Trees Online nursery gives you the size and scale and the knowledge of the of many of the best horticulturalists in the nation. They've got over 2 million happy customers and I am among them. So is Carrie. So is Clay. So is Laura. Everything you order is backed by their alive and thrive guarantee. Go to fast growing trees dot com. Use my name, Buck, as your promo code to get 20% off what you purchase. That's fast growing trees dot com promo code, Buck for 20% off.

C (16:04)

Welcome back in play, Travis Buck Sexton Show. A lot of callers out there there still wanting to react to a variety of different topics. Let's go, Ken in Louisville, Kentucky. Ken, what you got for us?

E (16:18)

Hello, guys. Good to talk to you. That caller that you had of you back, he and anyone else that feels that way about sitting out elections, well, their memory must not be working or they're just fools. I can clearly remember the eight years of Obama and I can remember the four years of Biden. And it's a stark difference to what President Trump has done in his two four year terms. And what scares me with the upcoming elections is either people like Tyler or just the general apathy of American voters. You guys have occasionally talked about our governor. Oh, gosh, his name now.

C (17:06)

Bashir, Andy Bashir. Yeah.

E (17:07)

Yes, Andy Beshear. When he beat Matt Bevins, the incumbent the first time, he beat Matt bevins by about 5,600 votes. Now in his reelection, he went against Daniel Cameron. If Daniel Cameron had received the same number of votes that Matt Bevin received when he lost to Bashir. Daniel Cameron would be the mayor. Excuse me, Would be the governor of Kentucky now.

C (17:44)

Yep. No, thank you for the call. We've got a break to hit. But showing up matters. And if you're not willing to show up, it's hard to argue that you are angry about whatever the outcomes might be. The bare minimum is show up and vote. Now. It's gonna be hard to get people out because midterms always are. We'll talk about that. Take some more of your calls. Actually, RFK Jr. Is gonna join us at the bottom of this hour and we will talk to him about that consequential 2024 election and more. You don't need to be a roof specialist to know a leak in your roof is a real problem. You need help and we happen to know one that can help you. You Erie home 50 year track record of experience and success. They've got a 25 point inspection they've developed over their many years in business. And if your roof needs replacement, Erie home offers all kinds of options and the work they do comes with a 50 year transferable warranty. So if you sell your home, you're providing even more value in the selling process. Schedule your free inspection@eriehome.com Clay today for a great discount. That's E r I e home.com Clay

A (18:52)

welcome back into Clay and Buck. We are joined now by the secretary of health and human services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Mr. Secretary, great to have you on the program. Thanks for making the time for us.

F (19:05)

Thank you very, very much for having me.

A (19:07)

You got two guys here who are middle aged, got kids and trying to up their health game in a big way. So I'm going to tell you, we are and this audience is very dialed in to the MAHA agenda. Can I just first ask you because look, we got a war in Iran, we got some big things happening. Haven't heard that much about what's going on from your side of the equation from MAHA world lately. Can you bring everyone up to speed with what has been done in 2026 or what are the biggest wins so far since you've taken the helm at HHS that people need to know about?

F (19:42)

Well, I mean last week alone we got agreements from hospitals around the country to begin giving hospital patients real food instead of the terrible stuff, the appalling food that they feed you in hospitals. We sent out a letter to all the hospitals saying that they could not collect Medicare or Medicaid funding unless they started giving good food to their patients. We also announced a comprehensive new program on addressing microplastics in the society. And the biggest accomplishments, I think over the last year we're flipping the food pyramid, getting real food back on the American guidelines. You know, the government has been lying to the American people for 60 years with dietary guidelines that were written by food industry lobbyists to encourage us these ultra processed foods and highly refined carbohydrates. As a result of that, we now have the sickest population in the world from chronic disease. 77% of American kids cannot qualify for military service. When my uncle was president, we were spending zero on chronic disease. Today we spend $4.3 trillion. 90% of our health care spending and it is all preventable. And most of it is food induced. 70% of the American calories. Now the average American are coming from ultra processed food and it's just poisoning us. The obesity rates in kids have gone from 3 to 5% when I was a kid at 20 to 30% today. And in adults it's 70% are obese or overweight. And so it's a national security issue. It's crushing our economy and it's destroying the lives of our children. And the new dietary guidelines are the biggest are going to change dietary culture in this country because it changed what people eat. And the SNAP program and the WICS program, school lunches, it's changing already with the military needs. It's changing Indian health services, all of the hundreds of millions of dollars a day in food subsidies that we give out. Now those programs have to align themselves with the new dietary guidelines we've gotten rid of. By the end of the year, we should get rid of all of the petroleum. As food dies, synthetic food dyes in our food. We are doing the first nutritional and contaminant regulations and testing of. Baby formula. We're changing the GRAD standard which is generally recognized as safe. This is a loophole that, that EPA or FDA created and was captured by the food industry. So that any chemical that food companies want to put in our food, they can do it without testing, without even telling us what's in it. We have now approximately 10,000 chemicals in our food. Nobody even knows what they are. And nobody's seen safety testing on almost any of them in Europe. They only have. So food carbon will no longer be.

A (23:32)

I think

F (23:34)

I have a long list of other things. We're ending animal testing. We've got, you know, we did the MFN negotiations, the most favored nation status which is going to give us the cheapest we had for the last 30 years, the most expensive pharmaceuticals in the world. In our country, we have 4.2% of the population, but 75% of pharmaceutical industry revenues and profits come from America. People in Europe pay a tiny fraction of what we do. The same drug produced in the same factory in New Jersey, for example. When I took office, the list price for Ozempic in our country was $1350. You could get the exact same drug in any pharmacy in London for $88. And this is a norm across. Now we are going to be. We are going to be paying in our country the cheapest price for every truck. And that is going to dramatically change the cost of medicine here and improve people's health. I could go on.

C (24:47)

No, this is all fantastic question for you. And I think this has to do with a big picture issue. And I think it's one reason you're in the administration now, which I'm sure several years ago you never would have been able to forecast. Buck and I are still very angry over what happened during COVID It's been six years, and it seems like that is come and gone in a hurry. And a lot of people just want to turn the page and pretend it never happened. But I think it's hard for a lot of Americans to trust the government on health. After what happened to us during COVID do you still feel that? How do you get that trust back when so many people are still angry about the lies that they were told that we were all told by the government back then?

F (25:31)

Yeah. I mean, the only way to. And you're right, we're seeing in polls that trust for the CDC was at 70% before COVID and it had already gone down substantially because the opioid crisis. So that was, you know, that was another lie that everybody, Americans first became aware that their health agencies were actually, you know, captured. Captured and promoting the mercantile ambitions of pharmaceutical companies rather than public health. During COVID half of America realized, okay, we're being lied to, systematically lied to by our public health agencies. And so trust has gone from 70% to a little less than 40%. And the only way that you regain trust is by making the agencies trustworthy. And that's what we are doing. We are. We are being honest with people the first time about what we know, what we don't know. We are changing all the websites to make sure that people know that there are risks to certain medicines and certain interventions and that they have open eyes about what those risks are, and we just stop lying to people. And that is the only Way over the long term that you're going to regain trust.

A (26:58)

We're speaking to HHS Secretary RFK Jr and Mr. Secretary, I'm down here in South Florida. I think you actually were on the beach here working out not long ago. I think I saw that on the muscle beach here. It's a great place. Very, very health conscious. And actually Miami is trying to become the wellness, the health and wellness capital of the world. That's now a stated thing. So I'm in the epicenter of this right now. And one thing that people talk about a ton and I'm sure you get this is I know peptide is just a name for a chain of amino acids, but people, GLP1s are a peptide which are changing health for millions of people as we know it. There's peptides like BPC157. All this stuff is out there. It's out there in large numbers. People are taking it, using it. Some say it's great, some say it does nothing. How can the FDA catch up with some of this to where usage is? Because the usage is everywhere down here and a lot of other places. And the FDA is like, oh, we don't know. Good luck.

F (27:59)

Yeah, well, you know the. Here, here's what happened. There were 19 commonly used bathtubs. The most commonly used one included BPC157 and a bunch of others that you're probably familiar with that were in a category that were, that were put in a category where they were formulation pharmacies could make them for individuals. They couldn't mass market them. FDA regulates products that are mass marketed for a specific indication for heart attacks or for obesity or whatever. But it doesn't regulate nutritional supplements and it's not supposed to regulate personalized medicine by formulation pharmacies. Those pharmacies are there so that if patients have specific needs that are not fulfilled by a mass marketed drug, that the formulator can make up a special drug for that patient. And that is the category that peptides were being marketed on up until the Biden administration. The Biden administration, we believe illegally took 19 of those most popular peptides and put them in category two, which makes it illegal to market them. The FDA has the ability to move it to category two, but only if they find a safety signal and they did not have a safety signal on those. And so now, as you pointed out, we have a gray market and a mass market, a gray market and a black market where Americans are being forced to buy these products from many cases, unethical formulators. There are Many ethical ones out there, unethical ones. We're getting them from unknown sources and they're allowed to sell them for animals, for research purposes. They're not allowed to technically sell them for human use.

A (30:18)

Right. For research only. I've seen the sites.

F (30:20)

Yeah, right. And that's where you're getting your peptides today. You're getting them from one of those black market formulators. And what you know, we've made the argument, of course, there is resistance within no EPA or FDA by some of the career people. We've made the argument that they should, we should move them back into a category where they can be studied, where they're going to be, where we know what the source is. They're coming from legitimate formulators who are getting them from FDA inspected labs. Those labs may be in India, they may be in China or manufacturing facilities, their FDA inspected. And we think that's the most sensible way to do it and look for a safety signal. And if there is one, then you move it. But if there is not one, then you don't move it. And that's the way the law is supposed to work. And we're trying to return it to that.

C (31:23)

Last question for you. HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. On with us. We're talking about the impact of the first year and a half as we come up on it, of Trump. What would HHS look like in your mind if Kamala Harris had won? What would, how much different would our health systems look and how much would the Maha movement in your mind be struggling immensely? Can you contextualize how much of a difference there is just based on who ended up winning the election?

F (31:57)

Well, I don't think that there was any impulse to change things. And you know, it's not just, I mean, we've dramatically changed the trajectory so that we're now focused. NIH is doing research on vaccines, on the etiology of all these chronic diseases. Where are they coming from? You know, is it high fructose corn syrup? We have no idea why, because the Biden administration, nobody else ever did those studies. It was regulatory malpractice. Is it from the food diets? Is it coming from all of these other ingredients? What are the ingredients that are triggering chronic disease, destroying our metabolic health? None of that was happening. And now our agencies, fda, cdc, hhs, are old laser focused on finding out what's causing the epidemic and then eliminating those exposures. And there's other things. I mean, the corruption in the agency, the agency grew over the four years of the Biden administration by 38%. We had over 100 communications departments. We had over 40 procurement departments. We had 10 people doing every job. And then they stopped doing program integrity. So you saw South Florida, for example, where you are, there's an entire racket that is run by the Cuban government of durable medical equipment. Of these companies supposedly selling wheelchairs and knee braces, but all they have is list of patients. They charge Medicaid for them. We found one hotel that had 129 rooms, and every one of them was a durable medical equipment company. There are two times the number of durable medical equipment companies in South Florida as there are McDonald's. Most of them don't sell anything. They're just there to steal from the federal government. And the Biden administration, when it came in, got rid of the program integrity department. So we had no capacity to catch the fraudsters. They cut it down from 80 people to six. All 50 states, six territories. And it'll do some.

A (34:22)

Mr. Secretary, this is all super important and super fast. We are running into a hard break right this second. So I have to say please keep what you're doing and please come back and talk to it. We would love to have you on, you know, if you'd have us, if you, if you do a monthly update for this audience on what you're doing. It's so important and there's so much to cover. Thank you for what you're doing and thank you for being here. We got, we got to leave it there for now. Um, there should be more than one Mother's Day on the calendar each year. But when, until it happens, we should go big to say thank you so many times over. Cozy Earth has a way of saying thank you with a 2 for 1 offer on their very popular pajama sets this Mother's Day put Cozy Earth's bamboo pajama set at the top of your gift list. Can be the perfect gift. Lightweight, but still cozy, incredibly soft, and they actually help mom stay cool through the night without overheating. Right now they're doing something they rarely do. A buy one, get one free deal for a limited time. Plus there's the 100 night sleep trial. By the way, these same bamboo pajamas are so popular they're sold out during the holidays. But they're back with an exclusive deal only available through this Sunday. Go online to cozy earth.com use name buck as your promo code. That's cozyearth.com use name buck as your promo code. And the post purchase survey say you heard about them on the Clay and Buck show news, politics, sports, and a

C (35:32)

little fun thrown in there, too.

F (35:33)

Clay and Buck.

C (35:35)

It's a whole vibe. Welcome back in. We got a bunch of good talk backs. Let's have some fun with these. Jay Richard in San Diego listening on Coco out in the southern California market. Jay clan. Buck, if the world were flat, the cats would have pushed everything off by now. That's pretty good anti cat humor there. I'm not going to complain. Lisa from west Michigan. Congratulations, Buck, to the Michigan Wolverines who ended the bracket challenge for everybody out there. My wife won the family bracket challenge. She is a Michigan grad. And Lisa from western Michigan says g. Happy belated, clay.

D (36:19)

I just turned 70 today and we got our gift last night when our wolves beat those huskies. So keep up the great work. I love you. America loves you. You're doing it. Keep rocking.

C (36:36)

Oh, so nice. Yeah, super nice.

F (36:39)

All right.

A (36:39)

From one 70 year old to another,

C (36:42)

we got a big story tonight. We'll be back with y' all tomorrow.