Hour 3 - Riley Gaines vs. AOC

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Podcast Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 - Riley Gaines vs. AOC
Date: October 28, 2025
Host: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton
Guest: Riley Gaines

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on recent political headlines, with particular attention given to a social media spat between former collegiate swimmer and women's sports advocate Riley Gaines and Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC). The hosts also discuss contemporary issues surrounding drug policy, the Trump administration's actions, political communication, and a broader conversation about motherhood. Riley Gaines joins for an in-depth interview about her experiences and ongoing public challenges from high-profile figures.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Stock Market Milestones and Trump’s Asia Visit

Timestamp: 02:34–06:12

• Clay Travis begins on an optimistic note, highlighting record highs in the S&P 500, Dow Jones, and Nasdaq. He attributes ongoing economic improvements to advances made during the Trump presidency and asserts that pessimistic predictions about the market collapse in April were unfounded.
  • "If you had bought stock back in April, you’re up around 40% now on those stock purchases." (03:40)
• Discussion shifts to Trump’s diplomatic efforts during his Asia trip, possibly meeting with Kim Jong Un and Chinese Premier Xi:
  • "He’s scheduled to be in South Korea...some whispers he might meet Kim Jong Un again..." (05:41)
• The hosts preview the upcoming New York City mayoral race and the anniversary of Trump’s 2024 win.

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2. Trump 2028 Speculation and Cognitive Test Challenge

Timestamp: 06:12–13:08

• Trump’s remarks on Air Force One spark discussion about whether he will run in 2028, or instead back a unity ticket (J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio).
  • Buck Sexton: “A lot can happen in two and a half years, my friend.” (08:00)
• Trump’s characteristic banter is highlighted when he lambasts Rep. Jasmine Crockett and AOC, challenging them to cognitive tests and ridiculing their intelligence:
  • Trump: "They have Jasmine Crockett, a low IQ person. They have AOC…give her an IQ test...a tiger, an elephant, a giraffe. You know, when you get up to about 5 or 6…and then when you get up to 10 and 20 and 25, they couldn’t come close to answering any of those questions.” (10:33)
• Clay and Buck reflect on Trump’s unique sense of humor and media response:
  • Clay: “His comedic timing and the fact that people don’t get his sense of humor…I really feel like so many people who have Trump Derangement Syndrome…have an inability to process tone and context.” (12:01)

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3. Jasmine Crockett Responds to Trump’s Insults

Timestamp: 13:08–15:08

• Jasmine Crockett counters Trump’s low-IQ comments, citing her own merit and accusing Trump of fixating on women of color:
  • Jasmine Crockett: “He’s never been known to be an Einstein. This is someone who, but for him being born with a silver spoon, probably wouldn’t have got into anybody’s institution, unlike me...I wish people would look at the fact that you have a President of the United States who consistently is obsessing over two women of color that are members of the House.” (13:24)
• Clay and Buck lament the lack of elite intellect and communicators in Congress and argue that Trump capitalized on “lightweights” in politics:
  • Clay Travis: “We are not represented...by the most accomplished and intellectually sound and great communicators out there.” (14:08)

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4. Drug Policy, Fentanyl Crisis, and Administration Response

Timestamp: 19:09–22:47

• Shift to Trump administration’s tough stance on drug trafficking, including the blowing up of drug boats:
  • Marco Rubio: “Well, I mean, the question is, bottom line, these are drug boats. If people want to stop seeing drug boats blow up, stop sending drugs to the United States...” (21:43)
• Discussion of fentanyl dangers, overdosing (or poisoning), and how the administration’s policies may be recalibrating cartel operations.
  • Clay Travis: “It’s not even overdosing...it’s poisoning. You don’t even know that you’re taking it.” (21:03)
  • Buck: “The cartels...they’re poisoning people and it’s a lethal issue and we’re responding with lethal force.” (21:11)

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5. Interview: Riley Gaines on Motherhood, AOC Dispute & Women's Sports

Timestamp: 25:38–38:46

Motherhood Reflections

• Surprise at positive experiences as a new mom; counters negative cultural narratives:
  • Riley Gaines: “How easy it is…all the horror stories…none of the bad things…It has just been the most magical past four weeks…” (25:38)
  • Conversation about societal tendency to focus on negative experiences of parenthood and general life advice.

AOC Social Media Attack

• Riley recounts seeing AOC’s comment belittling her NCAA swimming achievements, saying she was "only the fifth best" in the nation.
  • Riley Gaines: “AOC mentioned you in a comment...It says something to the effect of if you channeled all of your anger towards swimming, maybe you would have been faster…Better than fifth in all of American NCAA swimmers.” (29:42)
  • Clay Travis: “You’re only the fifth best at something in the entire United States...I’d love to be the fifth best at anything.” (30:12)
• Riley highlights the misogyny of AOC’s attack, arguing that male athletes in the same position would not face such criticism:
  • Gaines: “Would she call the fifth best college football player in the nation mediocre or bad?...Of course not.” (30:33)
• Discusses AOC’s stance in the broader debate on women’s sports and the competing narratives regarding fairness and safety.

Why Did AOC Attack?

• Riley speculates AOC’s comment was more about playing to the radical activist base on social media, not a sound political calculation, pointing out most Americans—and even most Democrats—support her stance on women’s sports.
  • Gaines: “It’s not politically expedient at all. And…the terrifying point here is that this is the leader of their party…Try and think of a moderate Democrat at any level…I mean, there just isn’t one.” (36:24)

Lighthearted Banter

• The conversation turns light as Riley is roped into Clay and Buck’s ongoing fitness bets (tennis serve speed, Alcatraz swim) with plenty of playful ribbing:
  • Gaines: “I think there is a, a more plausible chance of you serving a 100 mile per hour serve. Then there is Clay Travis actually swimming Alcatraz.” (33:29)
  • Discussion of open-water swimming, sharks, and cold, with Riley poking fun at her husband’s (and Clay’s) trepidations.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Trump’s Cognitive Test Challenge:
  “Let AOC go against Trump. Let Jasmine [Crockett] go against Trump...A tiger, an elephant, a giraffe…they couldn’t come close to answering any of those questions.” — Trump, aired by Clay Travis (10:33)
• Reflecting on COVID Lockdowns:
  “We don’t have to go back to that trauma every time...” — Buck, on NY lockdown memories (08:49)
• On Congressional Intellect:
  “We are not represented...by the most accomplished and intellectually sound and great communicators out there.” — Clay Travis (14:08)
• Rubio on Drug Boats:
  “If people want to stop seeing drug boats blow up, stop sending drugs to the United States...” — Marco Rubio (21:43)
• Riley on Motherhood:
  “It has just been the most magical past four weeks...I think the message that I want to send is that there are good stories out there too.” — Riley Gaines (25:38)
• AOC’s Attack and Riley’s Response:
  “AOC mentioned you in a comment...It says something to the effect of if you channeled all of your anger towards swimming, maybe you would have been faster or something...” — Riley Gaines (29:42)

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Timestamps at a Glance

• Stock Market and Trump’s Trip: 02:34–06:12
• Trump 2028 & Cognitive Test Banter: 06:12–13:08
• Jasmine Crockett Claps Back: 13:08–15:08
• Drug Boats & Fentanyl Crisis: 19:09–22:47
• Riley Gaines Interview:
  • Motherhood: 25:38–28:32
  • AOC Attack and Debate on Women’s Sports: 29:42–38:46

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Summary & Tone

True to their style, Clay and Buck infuse humor and cultural criticism while dissecting both serious and absurd headlines. Their tone combines political skepticism, sarcasm, and earnest advocacy for conservative issues. Riley Gaines’ guest segment blends positivity with pointed critique of progressive narratives around women’s athletics and gender-related policies, while her warmth on motherhood offers a refreshing counter-narrative to doom-and-gloom stories.

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For Listeners: Takeaways

• The episode features energetic takes on Trump-era politics, the challenges of political communication, and cultural flashpoints like women’s sports and drug policy.
• Riley Gaines stands her ground in the face of high-profile criticism, making compelling appeals for fairness while maintaining humor and perspective.
• Frequent, memorable banter between hosts and guest keeps the conversation relatable and engaging even when tackling contentious topics.

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Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in our number three Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show A lot of positive things I always try to make sure that I talk about the positivity as much as I possibly can. We are continuing to set new all time records. In fact, the S&P 500 new all time record as I am speaking to you, the Dow Jones Industrial Average new all time record as I am speaking to you, and the Nasdaq new all time record as I am speaking with you, all time records. For those of you out there that own stock in any way, pensions, 401ks, individual stocks, chances are if you happen to go gander at your stock values, they have never been higher in your life. And I do just want to continue to point it out that in April you were told, oh my goodness, the stock market is collapsing. Donald Trump has no idea what he's doing with the economy. And The S&P 500 is up 2000 points since then. If you had bought stock back in April, you're up around 40% now on those stock purchases. If, if you merely just held on to your existing stocks and just didn't even pay attention to any of it this year the S P 500 is up, right, at 18% so far you might say, okay, well, Clay, how does that contextualize? On average. On average, The S&P 500 is gonna be up around 9% on average. Some years you might lose 20, some years you may make 20. But this year is a very good year so far for stocks and we are at record highs. So I understand also those of you out there who say, Clay, man, you don't know what you're talking about. The economy's not as good on the ground as you're saying. I get it. And I think a lot of that is still working through the disaster that was the Biden economy. In general, the stock market runs 6 or 12 months in advance of the economic conditions you see on the ground. And so all of this is very positive. Trump is trying to make the economic conditions better for all of us on the ground. And right now he's in Asia. He is meeting with Japan. Saw this morning that he had a great reception in Japan. He is scheduled to be in South Korea. Buck, I don't know if you saw this. Some whispers that he might meet Kim Jong Un again. Remember how quickly the meeting with North Korea's reclusive dictator happened in the past? He's going to be in South Korea. Trump is, he's going to be meeting with Chinese Premier Xi. So there is some possibility, maybe there'll be additional aspects of that as part of his travel on air Force One. Trump has been answering questions quite a lot. And among those questions, let's play a couple of these cuts because I thought they were entertaining. And I want to make sure that we keep you updated with what the President is saying. Even as we are following the New York City's mayor race tomorrow, we will have Curtis Sliwa on the program. And even as we are following what's going on in New Jersey and Virginia, one week from today is the 2025 elections. Also coming up on the one year anniversary of Trump's record win in 2024. But Trump yesterday on Air Force One was asked about would he be running in 2028. This obsession here is cut 21.

[Sports Commentator]

We have great people. I don't have to get into that, but we have one of them standing right here. We have J.D. obviously, the Vice President is great. I think Marco is great. I think. I'm not sure if anybody would run against us. I think if they ever formed a group would be unstoppable. I really do. I believe that I would. I would. I would love to do it. I have my best numbers ever. It's very terrible. I have my best numbers. If you read it, am I not ruling it out? You'll have to tell me.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so Trump talking again. The obsession Trump 2028. I'm gonna be honest with you, Buck. I wish he could run again. I mean, I know he's 79, but he's not gonna run. I wish he could. I do think the idea of a JD Marco ticket, unity from the start is starting to get some momentum. Do you buy the idea that that duo, Marco Rubio, obviously has 768 different jobs inside of the Trump administration right now, primarily Secretary of State J.D. vance, VP. Do you buy the idea that those guys might just say, hey, let's keep the band together and have a unity ticket, and we might not even see that much drama in 2028. Um, that Trump might just say, hey, these are my guys. I'm not gonna run. I'm 83 years old. But they have my complete and total endorsement. I could see a world where people just say, yeah, you know, I like this team. I like how things are going. You buy this? I mean. Cause I. I'm starting to think it's more and more of a possibility that they just say, hey, we're a unity ticket. We're Trump. 3.2.0, 3.0, however you want to say it. And let's not have all the drama of this huge fight. Let's just keep things Rolling. What do you think? Is it too clean?

[Buck Sexton]

It all sounds great, and it would be phenomenal in so many ways. A lot can happen in two and a half years, my friend.

[Clay Travis]

Certainly, this is.

[Buck Sexton]

This is the thing. This is the way we think the story should go. And that, to me means it's unlikely that that is the way the story will play out.

[Clay Travis]

That's how I view this.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, it should go this way. There is a pathway. But remember, I was. I was doing shows Clay in 2019, you know, I was doing. Doing the solo buck shows in 2019, where I was saying, guys, the country, things are great. Enjoy it. Trump's kicking ass, economy's phenomenal, we're at peace. You know, things are great. And then, boom, few months later, you're.

[Clay Travis]

Doing TikTok video dances by yourself in your apartment in New York City.

[Buck Sexton]

We don't have. We don't have to go back to that trauma every time. You know, it was very difficult.

[Clay Travis]

I still want to see the TikTok dances.

[Buck Sexton]

My hair was getting longer and my waist was getting bigger. Every day of the COVID pandemic, and I'm doing these TikTok dances alone in my tiny apartment in New York, surrounded by lunatics who don't think you can go outside.

[Clay Travis]

I would have. I mean, this. I walked into your apartment, the first thing I said was, I was like, I would have gone insane. You know, we didn't really do Covid here in Franklin, Tennessee. Just basically like March and April and maybe a little bit of May. People were like, you know, a little bit. And then it was kind of over. And then every time I see people, you. Some of you guys still have a lot of post traumatic stress. You la your New York, Chicago residents who really had to go through the chaos and the insanity, la people most.

[Buck Sexton]

A lot of them had yards more.

[Clay Travis]

Nice weather, more so. But, I mean, Gavin Newsom was arresting paddleboarders. I mean, that's true. I mean, this was. They wouldn't even let him walk on the.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm just saying New York turned into a. Turned into a prison camp with masking. It was insane.

[Clay Travis]

The only reason to live in New York City is to be able to experience the city. Anybody who has ever had to be cloistered in tiny little apartments that. I do think New York had it the worst of everybody. I would have lost my mind. I certainly wouldn't have been able to stay, uh, Trump being Trump, by the way, in addition to saying, hey, JD and Marco could be an incredible team, he also decided to tee off on Jasmine Crockett, and he challenged them to a cognitive test. AOC we're going to talk about AOC Coming after our friend Riley Gaines here in a moment. Uh, but Trump also challenged AOC and Jasmine Crockett to a cognitive test. And you'll want to hear this. Cut 22.

[Sports Commentator]

All I can tell you is that we have a great group of people, which they don't. They have Jasmine Crockett, a low IQ person. They have AOC Slide. Low iq. You give her an IQ test, have her pass. Like, the exams that I decided to take when I was at Walter Reed, I took. Those are very hard. They're really aptitude tests, I guess, in a certain way, but they're cognitive tests. Let AOC Go against Trump. Let Jasmine go against Trump. I don't think Jasmine. The first couple of questions are easy. A tiger, an elephant, a giraffe. You know, when you get up to about 5 or 6, and then when you get up to 10 and 20 and 25, they couldn't come close to answering any of those questions.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, he is just.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, what's. You know, what's really unfair is if Trump doesn't run again. And I think that he does just like to say that he's going to run again because it upsets the libs so much. But if he doesn't run again, Clay, our jobs will never be as entertaining as they have been in the Trump era, because he makes you guys even remember what it was like back in the days when, oh, everything Obama said was genius and perfect. It was boring and generally useless and often lies and wrong. In the Bush era, whatever, you know, people just said stuff. You know, Clinton. I mean, Clinton stuff got a little spicy toward the end, as we know. But in general, we did not have a president who just says hilarious things all the time.

[Clay Travis]

Can we play the end of that clip? I mean, the part where. I mean, it's not scripted, right? Where he just talks about. I presume that they're showing you pictures of animals as a part of the cognition test. Uh, but just. Can we play, like, the last 10 seconds of that again? Because, I mean that his comedic timing and the fact that people don't get his sense of humor, I. I really. I feel like so many people who have Trump derangement syndrome, really, what they have is an inability to process tone and context, because, I mean, how could you not laugh at this at the end of this answer? Maybe we don't have the ability to pull it out.

[Sports Commentator]

They're really aptitude Tests, I guess, in a certain way, with their cognitive tests. Let AOC go against Trump. Let Jasmine go against Trump. I don't think. Jasmine, the first couple of questions are easy. A tiger, an elephant, a giraffe. You know, when you get up to about 5 or 6, and then when you get up to 10 and 20 and 25, they couldn't come close to answering any of those questions.

[Clay Travis]

All right, so Jasmine Crockett has fired back. Buck. Jasmine Crockett says, I got into college on my own. Trump didn't. This is Jasmine Crockett responding to Trump saying she has a low IQ, cut 23.

[Jasmine Crockett]

I'm waiting on a reporter, and maybe it'll be you, Caitlin, that finally asked him what is his iq? Because he is constantly talking about. He doesn't even know what a low IQ is. He don't even know which scores are low. And I can guarantee you that whatever score, if he's taken one anytime recently, I'm sure that his qualifies as low. Listen, he's never been known to be an Einstein. This is not a guy who got in on merit when it came to going to college. This is someone who, but for him, being born with a silver spoon, probably wouldn't have got into anybody's institution, unlike me. So I am not worried about that. And I wish people would look at the fact that you have a President of the United States who consistently is obsessing over two women of color that are members of the House.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so the whole women of color thing. Is Jasmine Crockett, in your opinion, an elite intellect? Buck, I'll answer first. No. And it's not just Jasmine Crockett. I'm disappointed. I bet you are on some level, too. You know who's really disappointed by it is Laura Travis, my wife. There are a lot of people who represent us in Congress and in the Senate that are not high intellect. That's not ideal. They're also not great communicators. That is really not ideal. Like, we are not represented in general, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, by the most accomplished and intellectually sound and great communicators out there. I think one thing that Trump diagnosed in politics was that he could have the success he had with no background in politics, because there are a lot of lightweights that he is knocking out and pushing around. Candidly, when it comes to arguments and it comes to the political direction of the country.

[Buck Sexton]

All true. And this is why we continue to hope for reform of our government system. Yet we have people who are so often buffoons representing us in our government system, so there's a problem there. It's a bit like how we all want to tackle the debt, but we don't want any of the good spending to stop. Talk more about this. But look, AI is being used in our everyday lives more and more, and it's only going to get bigger. I've read and reread the White House's plans for artificial intelligence. It's a huge priority for President Trump and his administration, and so I'm writing about this in my new weekly E newsletter because there's just not enough time here on the program to get deep into these details. This newsletter is called Money and Power and I really hope you'll consider subscribing to it. I work with a team of fantastic financial researchers as well to take some of the big political stories and translate it into how you can benefit in the markets. And in fact, something that I'm referring to as Manhattan Project 2. This is all about leveling the playing field so everyday folks can profit from the markets. And this Trump stock market is obviously going incredibly well. Get a subscription today get signed up for your [e-mail] insider2025.com I think you're going to really enjoy it. That's insider2025.com paid for by Paradigm Press.

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[Clay Travis]

And let me just say this too, because I bet a lot of people out there, a lot of. It's not even overdosing, Buck. It's poisoning.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

You don't even know that you're taking it.

[Buck Sexton]

Right. They're, they're, they're making it so that it looks like pharmaceutical pills which have been assuming they're actually made in a major farm, you know, in a major drug company lab. At least you know, the dosing, you know what's actually in it. Nevermind just the dosing. The cartels, they're so. They're poisoning people and it's a lethal issue and we're responding with lethal force. This is Marco Rubio. We didn't play this last week, Clay, but I wanted everyone to hear it. When the press was pushing him on this issue, this is how the Secretary of State responded. Play 20.

[Marco Rubio]

Well, I mean, the question is, bottom line, these are drug boats. If people want to stop seeing drug boats blow up, stop sending drugs to the United States, does it matter if.

[Clay Travis]

It'S in the United States?

[Marco Rubio]

Well, these are all in international waters.

[Clay Travis]

The boat do a strike in the United States or if.

[Marco Rubio]

Well, that's a different matter. You're talking about a law enforcement matter. In this particular case, there are people traveling on international waters headed towards the United States with hostilities in mind, which includes flooding our country with dangerous, deadly drugs. And they're going to be stopped. And that's what's happening. And in the case last week, you saw there was a submarine. It was a submarine, it was a submersible. That's a drug boat all the way through. We know what these boats are. The President just said it. We tracked them from the very beginning. We know who's on them, who they are, where they're coming from, what they have on them. And you know, if you're running drug boats, you're in, you're in grave danger.

[Buck Sexton]

This is changing the calculation for the cartels. If this continues, Clay, and I don't see the administration stopping. If anything, I think a lot of just everyday Americans are saying, yeah, I Don't want any more. I don't want any more like star athletes in my high school dying because they thought they took a Xanax and it was something else. Or I don't want anybody who's suffering from fentanyl, you know, poisoning anywhere.

[Clay Travis]

Amen. And I will just say this. You, Marco Rubio, J.D. vance, you're talking about elite. I really believe this intellect and communicators. You can just almost see and hear the eye roll from Marco Rubio as he's having to answer that stupid question about, hey, well, these are international waters. That's different than the United States waters. Right? Like the difference between an elite communicator when it comes to, to these kind of questions and the media that are asking the. Because I'm not sure we've ever seen it exposed more than with the team that Trump has put around him in 2.0, which are elite communicators. You know, people come after Trump and they say, oh, well, he picked Pete Hegseth from Fox News or he picked, you know, Sean Duffy from Fox News. Right. People who are on television, typically people who are on television are pretty good at communicating and so they can take complex issues and they can distill it down so that it can be easily understood. JD And Marco are also elite communicators. And we know Trump certainly is fantastic when it comes to communication. And if you're trying to communicate more affordably, you need pure talk. Pure talk will help you do what I've already done with my family that stay in connection with them and save a bundle during the show. Look down at my phone, getting a text from my son, I'm gonna blow him up here. Not supposed to be on his phone at school, I'm guessing, I'm guessing that he got a little bit of a break. Checked to see what was going on. And dad, I had texted him and said, hey, here's a, you know when you get on your iPhone and they send you those old pictures of your, your family and you're not even expecting it. And I texted my son, I said, hey, here's pictures of you and your brother when you guys were just little kids and love you guys, hope you're having a great day at school. And he texted me back, I used pure talk to stay in touch with my son. 17 year old, 15 year old who have phones. You can save up to $1,000 if you want to stay in touch with your family like I do and save a bundle. £2 50 say clay and buck. That's £250 say clay and buck. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We are excited to be joined by our friend Riley Gaines. I don't think you've been on since you officially became a mom, so let's start there. Before we get into you versus aoc, what has we have a lot of moms out there and dads. Buck is a recent new dad, as you know. What has most surprised you about being a mom that maybe you didn't anticipate? How has it gone so far? Do you have any advice for maybe expectant moms that might be out there listening that have not had baby one yet based on your experience and congratulations.

[Riley Gaines]

Well, thank you and congratulations to Buck too. Look, I will say the thing that has surprised me most is honestly, and look, I know my experience is, you know, one thing and it is very different than other women but honestly, how easy it is. I think especially as women, especially as younger women, you get wrapped up in all the horror stories. I heard them all during pregnancy. Everyone told me, you know, well, you just wait. And I kept waiting and waiting and none of the bad things that all of the women said were going to happen happened to me. I had a fantastic pregnancy and then it was okay. Well, you just wait until delivery and delivery came, she was born and the process was a breeze and then it was okay. Well, you just bank up on your sleep now because you're not going to get any sleep when she's here. And let me tell you, I've slept like a dream. She's been just the best baby. And so I think the message that I want to send is that there are good stories out there too. It has been just the most magical past four weeks. She'll be a month tomorrow, which is insane. It's gone so quick.

[Buck Sexton]

Isn't it the best, Riley? The first one, it's my first one too. It's been so much fun and honestly I share a lot of your sentiment because people and I know a lot of it was well intentioned but there's this, you know, oh, congratulations to the baby. You're never going to sleep again and your life is going to be so hard. That wasn't even true for us. The baby was about was hit the five month sleep regression and we've actually since worked with the baby and now is sleeping great again with our baby. Slept like a baby. It was fine and it's been amazing and I just want more of them. I don't know, I just feel like there's a little Bit of a strange, even on the right, a strange cultural like batten down the hatches thing where everything me you were, you were a super high level swimmer. I'm sure you had to get up at 5 o' clock in the morning a lot and spend a lot of time in the pool. And that's not always fun or what you want to do, but it's really worthwhile.

[Riley Gaines]

That's it. And that's the exact same with, with motherhood. I think there's an attempt to again, especially when we're talking about younger women to, to scare them out of it, honestly. And I think you guys both know we live in this what about ism culture where you share these stories and you almost feel shameful for doing it because you'll have someone else who will say, well, what about my experience? Or what about this? And you know, they want us to feel shameful for having these great experiences. But I'm just here to say, hasn't been that that way with us. We've had a fantastic experience.

[Buck Sexton]

I just want to say, Riley, I've, I've had people yell at me before because I just shared the positive experience that I've had of making walking a part of my daily routine. People get mad at me like, of course you think walking is, you know, Mr. Like radio. I thought walking. I mean, unless you have some real problem, like that's something we could all enjoy and share and. But I just want to tell you, even when you give people the most solid and positive and kind hearted advice, there will be people who are angry at you 100%.

[Riley Gaines]

Yeah, walking probably also makes you a racist too.

[Clay Travis]

So it is funny that you would say now, yeah, you got to give reparation that you would say that anybody would say, hey, maybe you should just walk a little bit more. And the response is, well, you're elitist. Like I think walking something that most of us share. All right, so you texted me yesterday and it reminded me of you texting me when Simone Biles came after you. So for those who do not know, AOC decided kind of out of nowhere, I mean, you tell us the story, Riley, to just attack you. And I think my immediate response was, this is so great for you. Which was the same thing when Simone Biles did it. And I'm sure you had the same reaction because there's so many fake accounts out there. Like my initial reaction is, okay, let's make sure it's actually Simone Biles. Let's make sure it's actually AOC because this is Such a ridiculous bad angle to be attacking someone on that. I can't believe it's real. So tell people who don't know you're sitting around yesterday afternoon and AOC decides kind of out of the blue to come after you. What happened?

[Riley Gaines]

It's so funny you mentioned that about Simone Biles, because honestly, it explains virtually like the exact same realization and actions that I went through when this happened. Because I'm sitting there now, especially being a new mom. I'm not on my phone all the time, but I see this notification pop up and it says, you know, AOC mentioned you in a comment. I click on it and I read it. And it says something to the effect of if you channeled all of your anger towards swimming, maybe you would have been faster or something to the effect better than.

[Clay Travis]

Better than fifth in all of American NCAA swimmers. This is the line of attack she decided to hit you with. You're only the fifth best at something in the entire United States that doesn't. I'd love to be the fifth best at anything, by the way, but yes, that's what she decided to attack you with.

[Riley Gaines]

It is so true. Like, it proves this line of defense or these arguments that they're, they're using, it proves that they know nothing about sports. And honestly, it's pretty utterly misogynistic because, I mean, you think about it, Clay, would she call the fifth best college football player in the nation mediocre or bad at his sport or whatever? The fifth best college basketball player? No way. She wouldn't say that. But because it's number one, I think women's sports, which is hilarious because they claim to care about and watch women's sports. And two, I think a less mainstream sport like swimming, of course this is more of a niche sport. It's. If you're not the best, if you're not on the Olympic team, if you're not getting gold medals at the Olympics, then you're actually just not good at your sport. And that was AOC's line of defense, so. Or her argument that she went with there. And so just.

[Clay Travis]

Can.

[Riley Gaines]

I just can have this six foot? Go ahead.

[Buck Sexton]

No, no, no, you go ahead. I didn't, I didn't want to interrupt you. Riley, go ahead.

[Riley Gaines]

No, my. I think the point is you have two sides of this argument. One side is to be with standing for women who merely want fair competition, safety in their sports, and privacy in areas of undressing. And the other side is the side of the 6 foot 4 man who was 462nd the year prior when competing against the men and who flashes women in the locker room. And AOC made the side that she chose very clear.

[Buck Sexton]

Now I have to ask you, Riley, because you understand how competitive sports are and you're somebody who knows the work that has to go into it and just the, the realities of the sports world. We haven't really gotten to know each other that well, but there's a controversy out there about whether or not as a recreational middle aged tennis player, I will be able to get 100 mile an hour serve on camera, as evidenced by a speed gun.

[Clay Travis]

Now I gotta be. Let me interrupt him here. This has been several months where he hasn't in good weather. I'm just going to point out where there hasn't been a test going on. Riley, just for your ability and a. Riley just.

[Buck Sexton]

You understand we already have a 97 on the record. Okay, 97 miles an hour. But Clay and some of the doubters in this audience think that I will not be able to with a little more limber shoulder and a little, little.

[Clay Travis]

More, you know, of the old Riley during the show. Commercial break. He has a rubber band that he is stretching out his shoulder with play.

[Buck Sexton]

That was for the trust tree. That's not for airing on the radio.

[Clay Travis]

Anyway. Seriously, there's got to be a clip of this. Go ahead.

[Buck Sexton]

Do you think, do you think what side of this bet? I have till the end of the year. I'll decide that much. I have till the end of the year. Which now takes me through. I got about, you know, eight weeks to get this done. Can it be done by yours truly, yes or no?

[Riley Gaines]

Honestly, Buck, I think there is a, a more plausible chance of you serving a 100 mile per hour serve. Then there is Clay Travis actually swimming Alcatraz.

[Clay Travis]

Wow. Look, I'm just sitting here innocent and much like, much like Riley when AOC came after. I'm just a nice, kind, considerate person here. And I just got two by Ford hacksaw Jim Duggan style by Riley here.

[Riley Gaines]

Which I invited Clay in July. You're both invited next July to do this. I think we could, we could make something out of it.

[Buck Sexton]

Doggy paddle. The Alcatraz swim. Or is that just. Is that too gauche?

[Riley Gaines]

Honestly, the worst part is how cold it is. Oh, that's the worst part of all of it.

[Buck Sexton]

I am less buoyant and less insulated than I used to be, Clay. So that may. That's. That's one of the few times this was not to my advantage.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I saw Your husband, Louie. And he was saying that there are moments where you think about sharks. Did you think, this is. The part that I'm actually now is in my head. I'm not gonna lie. The idea of getting attacked by a shark while trying to do this. You did this pregnant. Did you truly have no fear of sharks at all? Riley, when you got in the water, like, didn't even cross your mind, or at some point when you're in the depth of the.

[Sports Commentator]

The.

[Clay Travis]

The swim there, did you think, hey, this is a little bit scary?

[Riley Gaines]

It's so funny looking back, because you're right, I did this at, gosh, seven months pregnant and you're. You're kind of in the middle of the ocean and you reach a point where it gets really cold. And I think that indicates, of course, that, you know, the water gets deeper. And in those moments, it's a bit unsettling, like, oh, gosh, what is swimming underneath me but sharks? I don't think I'm really scared of sharks. I watched Soul Surfer growing up. Bethany Hamilton actually has just. I mean, she's a dear friend of mine, but sharks are never something that. That really scared me. Louie, he's actually sat right next to me. We're in the car together now. He's just a sissy is what it is.

[Clay Travis]

I'm. I'm a sissy with Louis then. Let me ask you this, though, back on the AOC thing, Riley, and tell Louis we said hi to. Why do you think she decided to attack you kind of out of nowhere? It's the same question that I had when I saw Simone Biles come after you. It's not an attack that makes her look better, to. Your point being attacking someone for only being the fifth best at something. Again, I would love to be the fifth best at anything. So would everybody out there listening. It's not a good line of attack. Where is this coming from? Is it organized? Do you think somebody is asking her to do it? Was she looking for this opportunity? And then you've offered the debater and she followed up again, I think you were on with Laura Ingram last night. Where is all of this coming from in your mind?

[Riley Gaines]

Well, it is interesting because when you compare this to Simone, because Simone in her argument, I mean, you would imagine that an Olympian, the best of the best, she's like in a total league of her own. There's no one even close to her. You would imagine she would understand and approach this from an athlete, which of course she didn't, but she didn't necessarily have to be politically competent in aoc. Her position, of course, is morally bankrupt, but it's just totally politically ignorant. Not only is this something that, I mean, 99, 100% of the Republican Party and those who voted for Donald Trump, the 77 million people who voted for Donald Trump agree with that mention being women's sports, but it's what, like, I would say 80% of the Democratic Party. I think the number in the Gallup polls has been somewhere between 60, 70. I think it's more than that of their own party that don't agree with them. And so why is she doing this? I think it's something that's successful on social media platforms where you can kind of acquire that cesspool of radical, insane lunatics, which those exist on X. I mean, I think her. Her initial post got what, like 45 million views. So you can imagine the past 24 hours what my message is on all platforms when you're having to field 45 million AOC cronies who just follow her page and listen to what she says. But I don't know, it's not politically expedient at all. And I think that the terrifying point here is that this is the leader of their party. People like Crockett and AOC and mom Donnie. That's who all other Democrats at all levels, by the way, that's who they look to try to find me, a moderate Democrat. Clay, I think you tweeted it a few weeks ago talking about how Fetterman was the most sane Democrat, and there's not even a close second try and think of a moderate Democrat at any level. I mean, there just isn't one. So this is their party's leader. This is what I guess they believe will work, but we will continue to see them lose in 2026 and 2028 and further on if they continue with, I mean, supporting the policies, the harmful policies that they support.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you so much, Riley, for being.

[Clay Travis]

Here, and congrats again to you and Louie.

[Buck Sexton]

Yep.

[Riley Gaines]

Well, thank you, guys. I want to see a video of Buck in this commercial break.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, this shirt, this serve is going to happen, everybody. It's going to happen.

[Clay Travis]

I wish you could see him with the rubber band trying to loosen up the right shoulder during the commercial breaks. I mean, that was in the trust.

[Buck Sexton]

That was in the trust tree. That was in the trust tree. And Clay is now violating trust tree. Okay, that's enough of that. But yes, Riley, I am trying to limber up this old man's shoulder just a little bit like the backstroke only for the tennis court. Thank you for being here Riley.

[Riley Gaines]

Thank you guys.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

And also go to crockett.com subscribe so you got a couple things to do. All right, podcast listener K.K. brandon from Michigan talking some smack. Let's hear it Clay.

[Clay Travis]

Buck, this is Brandon from Michigan. Love the show.

[Buck Sexton]

I listen every day when I'm working.

[Clay Travis]

I just want to say to Buck, instead of swimming in the ocean, I think he probably should have been working.

[Buck Sexton]

On that tennis serve.

[Clay Travis]

We are all waiting to see you. True. Wow.

[Buck Sexton]

Calling me out Andy from Columbus, Georgia ll Hey Clay, I don't think I've heard you talk about how many laps you swim a week or how good your technique is. But if you don't seriously prepare for this swim the right way properly, then you're going to be gassed after about 15 minutes and then you will be shark food.

[Clay Travis]

Shark food. Roll over JJ because he's got something that he's completely wrong about. And I'm going to tee off on JJ tomorrow. We will have tomorrow Buck Curtis Sliwa 105pm Eastern scheduled new York City Mayor Spicy Hang with us.

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[Riley Gaines]

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