Hour 3 - Rogue Judges

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Hour 3: Rogue Judges Release Date: July 14, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
Episode: Hour 3 - Rogue Judges

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1. Immigration and Federal Judicial Interference

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton open the discussion by addressing the current state of U.S. immigration policies under the Trump administration. They focus on a recent federal judge's ruling that restricts Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers from certain deportation actions.

Notable Quote:

Buck Sexton [00:00]: "Trump continuing to focus on this and put his administration on a mass deportation footing, which absolutely needs to happen."

The hosts commend Tom Homan, an ICE official, for his unwavering commitment to enforcing immigration laws despite judicial challenges.

Tom Homan's Stance:

Tom Homan [01:56]: "We're going to litigate that order because I think the order is wrong... I don't think any federal judge can dictate immigration policy. That's a matter for Congress and for the president."

Buck and Clay express frustration with federal judges who, in their view, are impeding effective immigration enforcement, undermining the administration's efforts.

2. Judicial Activism and the Supreme Court

The conversation shifts to the broader issue of perceived judicial activism, particularly among federal judges and Supreme Court justices appointed during the Biden administration. The hosts argue that these judges are overstepping their roles, making policy decisions instead of adhering strictly to the law.

Notable Quotes:

Clay Travis [04:42]: "They defined Trump to the best of their ability as a racist white supremacist... but when you're winning, the majority of Latino men in America... it's hard to argue, oh, this guy is supremely racist."

Buck Sexton [08:00]: "Left-wing activist judges know that they are to use their position to deliver results for the team. And the law is not supposed to get in the way."

The discussion highlights concerns about Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, labeling her as more of a politician than a traditional judge due to her public expressions of personal opinions.

Clay's Critique:

Clay Travis [07:09]: "She's not even pretending that that's a concern anymore. She's just... my team wants X, so my team should get X. That's it."

Buck and Clay argue that such behavior damages the judiciary's integrity and public trust, suggesting that judges should remain neutral arbiters rather than activists.

3. Assassination Attempt on President Trump

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to reflecting on the anniversary of the assassination attempt on President Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. The hosts recount their personal experiences during the event and discuss its historical significance.

Notable Quotes:

Buck Sexton [18:00]: "For me, it almost felt like a Trump resurrection when he was brought off the stage. I thought there was about a 10 or 15 second period where I thought, oh, my God, they've taken Trump from us."

Clay Travis [20:35]: "We were saved along with it in a very important, very powerful way."

They propose commemorating the site of the assassination attempt as a national monument to honor both the bravery displayed and to serve as a reminder against political violence.

Clay's Proposal:

Clay Travis [26:56]: "I think that we should preserve this physical location and... turn it into a national monument... celebrate the courage, bravery, heroism of Trump."

Buck concurs, emphasizing the moment's iconic status in American politics and its potential to inspire future generations.

4. New York Mayoral Race and Andrew Cuomo

The hosts delve into the New York mayoral race, criticizing Andrew Cuomo's continued candidacy and questioning his political motives. They express skepticism about Cuomo's intentions, suggesting that his actions may inadvertently benefit his opponent, Mogul Frank Seddio.

Notable Quotes:

Buck Sexton [16:19]: "Cuomo is just a vile egomaniac and he will never... think about anybody but himself with his political life."

Clay Travis [14:58]: "Andrew Cuomo is running as an independent... My concern is... they're all gonna stay in. They're all gonna dilute the anti-Mogul vote."

The discussion underscores concerns about vote splitting among candidates opposing Mogul Frank Seddio, potentially undermining the effectiveness of their campaign against him.

5. Audience Feedback and Host Integrity

Towards the episode's conclusion, Clay responds to audience feedback regarding his and Buck's stance on certain political figures, notably Donald Trump and his associates. A listener criticized the hosts for not aligning their statements with poll results indicating that a majority believe Trump and his allies lied to the public.

Clay's Response:

Clay Travis [35:46]: "I don't think that my job or Buck's job is to tell you that we agree with you on every single topic on every single issue."

Buck Sexton [36:26]: "I also don't think President Trump is a liar. So people are welcome to disagree. But at the end of the day, it's Trump's call."

Both hosts emphasize their commitment to their personal convictions and maintaining integrity, even if it means disagreeing with a portion of their audience.

6. Reflections on Political Stability and the Future

Clay and Buck reflect on how close the nation came to potential turmoil following the assassination attempt and the importance of political stability. They ponder the hypothetical scenario of President Trump being assassinated during the election and its potential impact on the country's fate.

Notable Quotes:

Buck Sexton [30:02]: "We should take a moment in time to say to yourself that the country was saved and that Trump views himself as having been saved to help the country."

Clay Travis [31:10]: "Think about what the nation's reaction would have been if they assassinated Trump and then... Kamala Harris won the election."

The hosts underscore the fragile nature of political stability and the significant role Trump plays in their vision for the country's future.

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Conclusion

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton explore a range of pressing issues, from immigration policy and judicial activism to the pivotal assassination attempt on President Trump and the dynamics of the New York mayoral race. Their discussions are marked by a critical stance towards federal judges they perceive as overstepping, a strong defense of President Trump's actions and legacy, and an unwavering commitment to their political beliefs despite audience dissent. Through personal anecdotes and pointed critiques, the hosts aim to provide their listeners with a perspective that champions law enforcement, critiques judicial overreach, and emphasizes the importance of political resilience.

Note: Advertisements, introductory remarks, and non-content segments have been omitted to focus solely on the substantive discussions of the episode.

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

This is an iHeart podcast. Welcome in, everybody, to the third hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. Let's talk to you a bit about what's been going on on the immigration front. Trump continuing to focus on this and put his administration on a mass deportation footing, which absolutely needs to happen. Something that was discussed all along and promised all along. Clay, we mentioned this, I think, because it was just on Friday, I believe now the day is all blend together. But there was a federal judge who came out and said, you, meaning Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers, are no longer able to do whatever it is you're doing to determine who it is you're stopping and detaining and then trying to deport. Uh, in case anyone was wondering, Tom Homan, who was doing such a great job. You know, I had a friend asked me recently who's doing a great job, this administration. I was rattling off a bunch of names and we were just chatting about politics in life as, as one does. And Clay, I just, I had to kind of stop and just give a special shout out. You know, I had to pour some out for my, my good friend here, Tom Homan, who's doing an incredible job. And he also, you'll notice, never backs down and is never, never cornered. Nobody puts Homan in a corner. He's never cornered by these, whether it's the judges or the media or the Democrats or anything. This is a man on a mission, and it's a critical mission, one that is necessary for the salvation of this country as a country. And, and here he is speaking about that federal judge who thinks that she is just in charge of immigration policy. Homan's having none of it, none of it. Play nine.

[Tom Homan]

We're going to litigate that order because I think the order is wrong. I mean, she's assuming that the officers don't have reasonable suspicion. You know, they don't need probable calls to briefly detain and question somebody. They just need reasonable suspicion. And that's based on many articulable facts. So unless she's in the officer's mind, I don't know how she make that, you know, decision that while they're not using reasonable, reasonable suspicion, how does she know that? I mean, every officer has to know, bring articulable facts to, to raise reasonable suspicion that it can briefly detain. I don't know how she knows that. But I don't think any federal judge can dictate immigration policy. That's a matter for Congress and for the president. And I know Department of Justice is going to litigate this. We won't take it to the appeals court.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay. It just feels increasingly like some of these federal judges, it doesn't matter to them what Congress says or what the law actually says. They just try to find ways to throw a wrench into the gears of this process. I think increasingly they, they must recognize, some of them must recognize that they're going to be overturned, maybe even on appeal. But certainly if it gets to the Supreme Court level with some of these orders that they are dropping down, that they are dropping, and it does a lot of damage to the judiciaries, to the faith that people have in the judiciary. And, and I think that it just shows you how important an issue this is.

[Clay Travis]

I think that a lot of these judges one have decided that they are the front line of Trump 2.0 resistance because the Democrat Party, by and large, has no opposition to Trump in terms of a figure or figures that can provide an alternative vision for the country in a coherent and intelligent way. So they're to the side. We made fun of this, but it certainly has basically proven to be the case. There's almost no in the streets resistance to Trump 2.0. We talked about the bedraggled, sad anti Trump inauguration parties. Sorry, parties pro. We went to the parties, the protests, and it was cold, it was old people and they were like beating drums and they all looked like they weren't really committed to it. And I know they had that one. What was it? No Kings Day, which is actually July 4th, ironically enough, but they had a. No.

[Buck Sexton]

Also known as no testosterone Day. Saw the actual protests going on.

[Clay Travis]

But even that didn't really. I mean, I know it got attention for. From the media, but it vanished within a few hours.

[Buck Sexton]

Sounds lame. They're not even good at the, at the. The rage as, like, they used to have better stuff. Like, even no one uses hashtags anymore. So hashtag resistance is. Has served its purpose and is no longer useful. But, you know, no. King's Day, I don't even know it sounds like a lame holiday in some country that you don't really want to visit. Like, it's just not good.

[Clay Travis]

Well, and I think what it speaks to is they defined Trump to the best of their ability as a racist white supremacist. And that worked for a couple of years because those are awful things for someone to say about you. But then people started to look through the actual charges and they said there's not really anything to support this. And when you're winning, the majority of Latino men in America. And when your percentage of the black vote sets a record high since the civil rights movement, it's hard to argue, oh, this guy is supremely racist, white supremacist. So they moved to oligarch, they moved to fascist. They moved to all these words that people don't know as well. And, and it hasn't mobilized. And so I think the decision by these judges is, first, we're going to be the front line of defense. Second, I think they see it as career, career acceleration as a way to gain promotions. Because if you are seen as the most fundamentally, ardently committed against the Trump team, they're playing the long game. These guys and gals have lifetime, they have jobs that they can never be fired from. By and large, we don't impeach judges very often. And so they know, hey, we'll be the most virulently anti Trump element out here. And then when the circuit court's judgeship comes open, or, or when a, when a Supreme Court justiceship comes open, I'm going to put myself higher in the, in the category. And I do think we should mention this. The perfect distillation of this is Ketanji Brown Jackson. I've read some of the quotes that she is giving, and I couldn't believe it. And I think you're seeing the other eight members of the Supreme Court recoil against her because she says, basically, hey, I'm on the court. It's really important that everybody knows my opinions. She doesn't mean judicial opinions. She means opinions like what should exist in the world. And I flagged a couple of these quotes and I was reading them again over the weekend. I say this as someone who went to law school, what she is arguing for is not judgeships. If Katanji Brown Jackson wants to run for the Senate or she wants to run for governor, or she wants to run for President of the United States. And she says, I believe X, Y and Z. And let me tell you why it's important.

[Buck Sexton]

Good for her.

[Clay Travis]

That's how the democratic process should work. But we shouldn't have judges, particularly not judges on the Supreme Court who are just writing their political opinions time after time. And I think the judges on the Supreme Court are fed up with it. I think you saw it from Amy Coney Barrett where she basically completely destroyed Ketanji Brown Jackson's dissent. And I think increasingly even Sotomayor and even Kagan are looking at Ketanji Brown Jackson and saying, you're not a judge, you're just an activist. And I think there are a lot of Ketanji Brown Jacksons that got elevated during the Biden term who have nothing and no interest in actually being judges. They want to be members of the legislature that are given the ability to share their actual personal opinions.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what always places conservative jurisprudence unfortunately at a political disadvantage. This has been the case for a long time. But left wing activist judges know that they are to use their position to deliver results for the team. And the law is not supposed to get in the way. And unfortunately on the right, you have people who will. You have conservative jurisprudence, constitutionalists who feel like, you know, even if this is a really bad thing for the country or even if this is a really immoral outcome, this is what the law says based on what the Constitution says, and that is the way that it is. Ketanji Brown Jackson is not even pretending that that's a concern anymore. She's just, my team wants X, so my team should get X. That's it. And her team is the left, the Democrats, and the so called living constitution theory, which is fascinating when you think about it. It doesn't really say what it says. It kind of says what you want it to say. Okay, well, that's fun.

[Clay Travis]

Well, and I even think she's taken a step beyond. Look, all judges and anybody out there that's been a lawyer or involved in the judiciary process know this on some level can look at the law and use the law to get to a result that they want to get to. That's just the reality. And some judge are going to be more expansionist in the way they look at it. Some are going to be more reticent. However you want to establish what your philosophy is. My concern with her is she's not even really. I mean, this is what Amy Coney Barrett said in her, in her majority opinion, which the 6:3 opinion, if I remember correctly, just ridiculing Katanji Brown Jackson. She's not even saying, hey, the Constitution says X and as a result we have to do Y. She's basically, this is really, I think, important because it's happening more and more. She's saying I believe X and therefore we have to do Y. That's not being a judge, that is being a politician. And she's not even hiding it anymore. And I think it's actually somewhat offensive even to Sotomayor and Kagan because at least they're trying to peg their analysis in some way.

[Buck Sexton]

Kagan, I'll give you Kagan on that.

[Clay Travis]

One a little bit.

[Buck Sexton]

I think Sotomayor is In, I think she's in the same place ideologically. She just hides it a little better, I think, like in, in my mind. And now we're getting really, now we're really nerding out. Kagan sometimes will say, look, this is what the law says. I'm a progressive and, you know, it stinks, but this is what the law just based on her decisions. Right. The way it comes down, Sotomayor is more, you know, I, I, I hate this, but I'm gonna, and I'm gonna go against it, but I'm gonna try to find some constitutional grounding for it. Katanji Brown Jackson is just, well, this is bad. So you can't do this. There's no, there's no way around it.

[Clay Travis]

I think she is the least qualified person to ever be on the Supreme Court. And I think that the other judges are looking around and kind of in disbelief that she's there. This is, look, you lawyers, by and large, who end up on the Supreme Court or at high levels of circuit court judged them are super nerds. And I say that affectionately. They really love practicing law. They love reading opinions. They like, like they get in the weeds, even if they're progressives. Like, I'll give Elena Kagan a lot of credit here. I think she's super smart. And I think if you sat down and talked with her, you may not agree with her judicial philosophy, but I think in a faculty lounge at Harvard, everybody would say, I respect her opinion. I don't think anybody respects Ketanji Brown Jackson's opinion when it comes to the law. I mean, actual legal nerds. I think if you're, you know, the leader of some far left wing interest group, you respect Ketanji Brown Jackson because she agrees with you, but she doesn't have the ability or willingness to peg it to the actual larger, you know, sort of judicial temperament that we have come to expect for generations on the Supreme Court.

[Buck Sexton]

I also think that we've reached a place where, if you are talking about any kind of a political issue or you're even a political person, I don't think you or I. Clay, I mean, heaven forbid, but I don't think you or I would be able to get a fair trial in a court where one of these, even if it was like a civil thing, we don't have to talk about crazy stuff, criminal. But I don't think we would get a fair hearing from one of these Biden or Obama appointed activist judges that are constantly slapping down Trump. I just think that it would go against us in whatever way the judge could make it go against us. And that's a shame because we've actually lost something. The US system has always been imperfect, but there has been this ideal of it is about the law and it is not about the preferences of the individuals who are in the process. I don't think that's really possible, Clay, to make that case the same way anymore. I think everyone sees it's really politics. It's really politics, unfortunately.

[Clay Travis]

Well, and I think Ketanji Brown Jackson is the worst version of that probably that we've ever seen on the Supreme Court. I really do mean that. And I think even people on the left on the court are starting to be embarrassed somewhat of the fact that she's just a politician who happens to be wearing a robe as opposed to an actual judge. Look, there's a new online hacking scheme. Recent college grads, they're the target. Cyber thieves trolling for people who want to get rid of their student loans. Who doesn't? And they offer help to reduce or eliminate those loans. All you have to do, name Social Security number, loan amount, and as soon as they get it, look out. Lifelike detects and alerts you to potential identity threats you might not spot on your own. Like loans taken out in your name. If you become a victim of identity theft and you're a Lifelock member, you can rely on a dedicated US based restoration specialist at LifeLock to work with you to fix it, guaranteed, or your money back. I have Lifelock. You, you guys should have Lifelock as well. Join now for 40 off your first year with promo code Clay. Call 1-800-LIFELOCK or head to lifelock.com my name Clay. As the promo code for 40 off. That's lifelock.com code Clay, promo code Clay for 40 off.

[Andrew Cuomo]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Some news, we haven't mentioned this yet so far, but it had been reported that Andrew Cuomo is going to refuse to drop out of the mayor's race. And Buck is shaking his head. For those of you who can't see him on video and what? He's so awful.

[Buck Sexton]

He's so awful.

[Clay Travis]

What he is saying is, and I want to get your take on this, the race is happening this fall and mom, Donnie, obviously the. I think, I don't even think it's Fair to call him a socialist. I think you have to call him an actual communist. I believe Mamdani is a. Is a communist. He is the Democrat nominee. Andrew Cuomo running as an independent. Eric Adams running as an independent. Curtis Sliwa running as an independent. What Andrew Cuomo was saying, according to reports, is. And I don't know, Greg, you can let me know if he said this publicly, because I know this is just now supposedly publicly coming out. The reports that I saw were Andrew Cuomo has said everybody else should drop out by September if they're not leading. My concern, Buck, meaning Eric Adams, Curtis Lewa, Andrew Cuomo, whichever one of the three of those guys is in second place, the other should drop out. My concern is I see where this is going. They're all gonna stay in. They're all gonna dilute the anti momdani vote. And Mom Donna. 60% of New Yorkers may vote against MomDani, but if 40% stick with Mom Donnie and the 60 is broken around three different opponents, Mom Donnie's gonna win. It seems just incompetent and almost feels to me like Andrew Cuomo is trying to hand the race to mom Donnie. Do you buy that?

[Buck Sexton]

No. I think Cuomo is just a vile egomaniac and he will never. He has never thought about anybody but himself with his political life and is continuing to do so. And if he has to help with the. Help write the epitaph of New York as a dynamic and fantastic city, which was already started to be clear by de Blasio. You know that Mamdani loves de Blasio, right? I mean, this is. It's the most classic thing Mamdani's already quotes.

[Clay Travis]

And I could have, he says, like, the best mayor ever. And like, I mean, it's crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

It's. If you were creating in a lab somebody who was equal parts annoying, disingenuous, and destructive to the city of New York. I don't know that you could do better than this Mamdani guy. I really don't. I don't think it's possible to find, first of all, the fact the guy who applies as an African American to get into Colombia, like, nothing changes. This guy is a total charlatan. This guy is a total fraud who will say whatever in the moment for power, for the adoration of idiot crowds. And the only upside to this I can think of is, well, one, maybe he doesn't win, but I don't. I wouldn't bet on that. Two, Clay, maybe this is finally. Maybe New Yorkers will realize after this, even the really dumb ones will vote for this guy. You can't be this crazy. But that means there's going to be more suffering. I think New York hasn't suffered enough. And I hate saying that out loud, but that's where it is.

[Clay Travis]

I feel bad for all our war listeners, I really do.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

And.

[Buck Sexton]

I just remember looking down and seeing some of this stuff on Twitter. It was on Twitter that I saw the stuff initially and you sent me something and I walked outside. There's a little ledge area where you can get outside, get some fresh air. And I remember walked outside And I thought, oh, my God, President Trump is dead for a second. Because I saw the, you know, remember, I'm seeing frames of it. I'm going around. It's a loud place. And so for me, it almost felt like a Trump resurrection when he was brought off the stage. Fist pump. I, I thought there was about a 10 or 15 second period where I thought, oh, my God, they've, They've, you know, they've taken Trump from us. So it was, it was quite a day. And I think the country still needs to take stock of the fact that it was the ultimate we dodged a bullet moment in every sense, as a country for President Trump, sure. But as a country as well.

[Clay Travis]

I think that as time. I've been on this since the day after this happened. We were in Monday in Milwaukee at the RNC last year. I think the historical potency of that image and that reaction and that video and that moment is going to outlive by far anyone listening to us today. I think 100 years from now, everyone who watches that film will be inspired by what they saw. And I was thinking a lot about this over the weekend. Some of you may have seen President Trump was at the World cup club final, and he was on the stage with Chelsea, which is a team in the English Premier League in England that won this big. Basically, it's the World cup of pro soccer teams that was played in the United States. It was the first inaugural season they had ever done it. They're going to have the World cup here next year, which should be honestly a lot of fun. And I think President Trump will be a big part of it. He was on the scene.

[Buck Sexton]

Can you get a, you know, can you get a guy into some games here, buddy?

[Clay Travis]

Can you work some. I can get a. I think I can get us some tickets to some of those World cup matches and maybe we'll do the shows. I mean, I don't think they've announced where the US Team will play. Exactly. I think I'm correct in that some of you may, may, may have some idea, but. Well, we can't know because we don't even know what, what groups everybody's going to be in. But my, my point on that is one year difference. Trump on the stage with Chelsea. I sent the picture to my 17 year old and he said, Is this AI. Because it looks so funny. If you haven't seen it, it's Trump surrounded by the entire soccer team delivering the trophy, um, and everybody celebrating. He's having a good time. One year apart. I've got an idea here. I haven't heard anybody else suggest it that I'm aware of. So some of you may hear this and you may say, you're bonkers, you're loony, maybe. Correct. I think they should make Butler, Pennsylvania, they should make it a national park, a national monument. At minimum, I think that they should make a trope statue of Trump reacting as he did in that iconic image. And I think that people should be able to go there to that historic location and celebrate the courage, bravery, heroism of Trump. Also acknowledge the loss of life of Corey Campatore, the individual who was there at that rally and died on that day. I think that it would be profoundly important not for just today, but for years to come for kids to be able to go to that site, understand what political violence can do, and understand what bravery can mean in response to it. Now, I understand right now a lot of people out there view Trump as a very polarizing figure. Historically, maybe this will not be true, but historically, when presidents are no longer in office, they tend to become more beloved regardless of their party, regardless, frankly, of whether they were even that successful.

[Buck Sexton]

I think Bush is somewhat of an exception to that. W. Yeah, I think W. I think W got substantially less popular. Well, he was getting. It was rough toward the end of the term. Two was rough for Bush, period. And I don't want to divert us from this discussion, but I'm just saying the longer stuff played out in the Middle east, the more people were, really.

[Clay Travis]

The worse the decision making looked for Bush. I think there's some truth to that. But even a guy like Jimmy Carter, who I think most of you would say was a really bad president, even Richard Nixon, who left in disgrace, resigning by the time he died, there was a sort of rehabilitation in some ways of his image relative to how low it was.

[Buck Sexton]

People like me pointing out Nixon was a fantastic anti communist, fighting for the soul of the country against the red menace, which was very real, despite what the live media wants to tell you. So high five to Nixon on that.

[Clay Travis]

Made a lot of very good decisions. And I think presidents of both parties used his counsel in the time that he was gone. My point on this is some of you may say, oh, there's no way that I actually think, again, this is the nerd, the history nerd in me trying to think, hey, should we pers. I live on a battlefield, basically the Battlefield of Franklin, 1864, November 30th.

[Buck Sexton]

You ever go out there with one of those like metal detector things, try to find some belt buckles or some 50 cal mini balls.

[Clay Travis]

Every now and then, people still find cannonballs and all this stuff, like, near where I live. They didn't do a good job preserving the battle. The battlefield itself has basically been overtaken by the growth of the city. There's not a ton of. Of physical location of the battlefield left. Whereas you go to a place like Gettysburg or you go to a place like Shiloh. I've been to all of them. You go to some Civil War battlefields. Partly it's because they're still somewhat rural. Okay, understood. And a city like Nashville or Atlanta, where there were battles, Richmond, and a lot of growth has occurred since. That's natural. But I think that we should preserve this physical location and I think we should turn it into some form of national monument to oppose political violence and also simultaneously celebrate the bravery that we saw that day. I think that's a historically resonant idea that should take root. And I haven't heard anybody talk about it, so I'm going to pop it out on social media. I'm saying it, obviously, on this show, and I think a lot of people say, oh, you're crazy. Because they're caught as much as the moment.

[Buck Sexton]

It's disappointing. Disappointing that you have not given me an opportunity to say that you are crazy. I was looking forward to it. I'm a little bummed right now. No, I think that's a very. I think that's an excellent idea. I think it's very valid. I think that what Trump did was one of the most iconic, visually, emotionally, psychologically, one of the most iconic moments in American politics, period. And a positive one, right? I mean, yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's tough. You know, 911 is seared into the, you know, the center cortex of our brains. Fine. Obviously a horrific day. Trump surviving that day and dealing with it the way that he did. And look, let's hear. This is what President Trump said about this. This is cut 12. He said it out loud. He really believes it, that he thinks he was saved to save the country.

[Donald Trump]

Well, I went through a lot. It was a crazy time. Very surreal, actually, if you want to know the truth. I've got this massive crowd of people, and all of a sudden you hear and you feel something that's very unusual. And I got down quickly and I was, you know, people screaming, get down, get down. It was a whole. The whole thing was just crazy. And it's hard to believe. A year is up and here we are. A lot of things have happened since then, including the presidency. So you know, I have an obligation to do a good job, I feel, because I was really saved. I was really saved by somebody very special. But, no, I owe a lot. And I think, I hope the reason I was saved was to save our country.

[Clay Travis]

I hope that he is right and I think he's done an incredible job. And I would just point out about the national monument, national location there in Butler. Look, our studio in Washington, D.C. is just down the block from Ford's Theater. And I believe it's the Peterson House across the street where Lincoln was taken and died. There in that, in that house, there are historic sites that are unfortunately tied to one of the worst moments in the history of America. And it's right. Right. We shouldn't have torn down Ford's Theater. We shouldn't have torn down the house across the street. It's important to understand what happened to the nation and what evil can do sometimes to triumph over, for the short term, the President of the United States and the difficulty of the nation of healing and all these things. I think that it is, again, I'm thinking 50, 100 years into the future. I don't want that Butler, Penn. Site to get developed and something else to happen. I think it should turn into a national monument. And I don't know that there's very many places that I would point to that, that. That exist historically that I think are going to be this resonant years to come. I mentioned when I went to Israel, when I went to the Nova Music Festival, we walked around there. I feel like that site is likely hundreds of years from now to still exist as a memorial against religious intolerance. And the idea that you would slaughter people because they happen to live in a country or support a religion that's different than yours is fundamentally wrong. I think the idea that Trump there would. Would that someone would have tried to kill him, and then we came within a quarter of an inch. I watched a lot of those displays again of just the fact that he turned to look at that Ron Johnson graphic Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin gave. But for that graphic being on the screen behind him, Trump will be dead right now, and our nation will be in a very different place. And I think that's a conversation it's important to have. I think it's one that's important to have in the decades to come for kids that didn't live through it.

[Buck Sexton]

And I think when. When there's. When the heat is getting turned up, and I understand why people have been upset and feel very passionately lately about about things it is worth noting. The country could have been plunged into the abyss one year ago.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, in a way.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, the whole country. Right. I'm talking big stuff, historical, you know, epic changing kind of stuff in a bad way. And we. We should take stock of our blessings, too. There's a lot of stuff that is going very well right now in the country. President Trump is president. Just take this for a moment. Kamala Harris could have been the president of the United States. It wasn't that far off. Think about what would be going on right now. Ok. So it's. And think about how the country is feeling if Kamala becomes president because Trump was assassinated during the campaign and whoever, you know, took his place for whatever reason wasn't able to, you know, we. No one would accept that as, oh, well, this is the will of the American people. Right. So, yeah, we should. I just think it's important to take. Take a moment in time to say to yourself that the country was saved and that Trump views himself as having been saved to help the country.

[Clay Travis]

Think about this buck as we go to break. What would the nation's reaction have been if they assassinated Trump and then on November 5, they told you Kamala Harris won the election?

[Buck Sexton]

That's what I mean. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, on that night, I think there would have been. I mean, I cannot impress upon you enough how incredibly important from a historic perspective it was that Trump turned his head at that last incident. And you can attribute it to Providence. You can. Can attribute it to the good fortune that this nation has traditionally embraced. There's a lot of different things you can point to. Providence sometimes is tough because people will say, well, Corey Campatori died.

[Buck Sexton]

So I think.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's.

[Buck Sexton]

I know, I know. But I think. I think even the atheists at the rnc, Clay, when we were there, not that there are many of them in the rnc, but I think even people that question these things felt like there was more than what we know involved in saving Trump's life that day. And we were. We were saved along with it in a very important, very powerful way. All right. One of the highest priorities of the Trump administration is improving our economy. Of course, the bill passed by the Senate and signed into law by President Trump on July 4th is just one part of the plan. However successful they are, it's impossible for them to consider your own personal finances. That's on you. One way to accomplish this, one way to take action today to protect yourself, to diversify, to make smart decisions for the long term is diversifying your savings account from all cash to cash and gold. In the past year gold has increased ready for this 40% 40 40% in value. There's some very important systemic reasons for this like central banks and countries all over the world buying up gold to hold themselves in. You know, they kind of know something about currencies and inflation. Birch Gold makes owning physical gold extremely easy. They can easily convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold or help you buy gold to store in your home safe. Text my name Buck to 9,898 98. Birch Gold will send you a free info kit on Gold A plus rating with a Better Business Bureau. Tens of thousands of happy customers including me, take control of your savings today. Text the word buck to 989898.

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton Show. Looking forward to being down in Atlanta. I'll be at our affiliate down there the next couple of days. Probably will meet up with a bunch of you guys hopping in a car as soon as I finish the show today to head down for the Home Run Derby and the All Star Game. Encourage you to go download the podcast. Thank you. By the way, we got to spend more time on this, but thousands of you went and signed up for the Clay and Buck YouTube page. After we talked about the fact that we want to get that over a hundred thousand subscribers. We're now over 80,000 subscribers. You can search out Clay and Buck also go subscribe crockett coffee.com I signed a bunch of books. I don't know if they have that on video during one of the commercial breaks because a bunch of you have been signing up and I want you to be able to get those autographed copies. I wanted to respond here on one email because I do think it's somewhat interesting. And it was somebody saying, this is Chris. He said, um, sev. Up until now, Trump has had ample opportunities on Epstein. Up until now, Trump has had ample opportunity to fix it, but he's refused to 70% of the people you polled feel that Trump, Bond, Patel and Bongino lied and for you to come on the air and say otherwise is stupid and demonstrates you're not on the same page as your audience. Uh, I do think this is somewhat of an interesting point Here. I don't think that my job or Buck's job is to tell you that we agree with you on every single topic on every single issue. 30% according to that poll, maybe larger in this radio audience agree with me. I don't think that Trump, Patel, Bondi and Bongino are lying. You're welcome to believe it. It doesn't mean you're a bad person. But I don't think our job should be to reflect whatever the majority of people in this audience say because sometimes we're going to disagree.

[Buck Sexton]

I'd also say this. I don't say anything on this show about anyone that I wouldn't say to their face. And I'll tell you this. I would not look at Dan or Cash in the eye and say, I think you're lying to the American people. So I'm not going to say that on this show because I don't believe it. Yeah, I also think that some people who are taking this opportunity to really kick Dan and cash in the ribs, particularly kick cash in the, I mean Dan in the ribs, rather, are doing so not because they care about transparency, but because they view him as a competitor and in the media space, even though he's working in government. So I think that that's dirty and we don't play dirty here. We care about the country. Honestly, you know who the Buck stops with with all this? President Trump.

[Clay Travis]

Yep.

[Buck Sexton]

I also don't think President Trump is a liar. So people are welcome to disagree. But at the end of the day, it's Trump's call and tomorrow we're going to talk about about what's going on in the news. Everybody. We appreciate you being with us and we love even the ones who are yelling at us all week.

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