Hour 3 - Speak Up, Girl Dads!

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 - Speak Up, Girl Dads!

Date: February 4, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts
Key Guests: Lt. Governor Burt Jones (GA), Carol Markowitz (Columnist/Podcaster)

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Overview

This episode centers on issues related to girls and women's sports, particularly the debate over transgender participation; the political landscape and electoral prospects in Georgia; and a critical discussion of the medical establishment’s handling of transgender procedures for minors. The hosts also tackle ongoing cultural flashpoints, infuse the show with their signature humor, and share candid personal anecdotes. Interviews with Georgia Lt. Governor Burt Jones and columnist Carol Markowitz highlight parental advocacy and accountability in children’s welfare.

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Key Segments & Discussions

1. News Rundown and Show Set-Up [02:02 – 05:16]

• Subjects Covered:
  • Search for Nancy Guthrie (Savannah Guthrie’s missing mother).
  • Canceled U.S.-Iran nuclear talks and potential for strikes.
  • Sentencing of Trump assassin Ryan Routh.
  • Major $2 million verdict in NY concerning trans surgeries on minors.
  • Layoffs and turmoil at The Washington Post under Jeff Bezos.

Quote:

"Breaking news reports ... Friday's nuclear talks between the US and Iran have been canceled ... odds of, I would imagine, strikes from the United States ... have as a result grown." — Clay Travis [02:34]

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2. Interview: Georgia Lt. Governor Burt Jones — “Girl Dads for Burt” & Women’s Sports [05:16 – 12:18]

A. Georgia’s Senate Race & Transgender Participation in Sports

• Jones criticized Senator Jon Ossoff for votes supporting transgender participation in women's sports (“embarrassing” for Georgia).
• Ossoff’s votes contrasted with the majority of Georgians' beliefs.

Quote:

"It's really hard to believe that a senator from Georgia ... has voted three different times to allow boys into girls' sports." — Lt. Governor Burt Jones [05:17]

B. Launching “Girl Dads for Burt” Coalition

• Jones celebrates National Girls and Women in Sports Day.
• Launched a coalition to advocate for fairness in girls' sports: girldadsforbert.com.
• Emphasis on support from Riley Gaines and Champ Bailey.

Quote:

"As a father of a teenage daughter who's a good athlete ... it was a no brainer for me ... It's just helping spread the word." — Lt. Governor Burt Jones [06:42]

C. Georgia’s Political Landscape

• Jones notes Republican successes in state government, despite recent Democratic Senate wins.
• Attributed Democratic wins to a “perfect storm” and described Georgia as “getting redder.”

Quote:

"It's a very different looking Democratic Party than it was just 10 years ago here ... We'll have an opportunity ... we're going to try to prevent that from happening this cycle." — Lt. Governor Burt Jones [08:41]

D. The Ossoff 'Rationale'

• Critique of Ossoff's statement about federal oversight in sports: “not rational stuff from this senator.” — Buck Sexton [09:59]

E. Volunteer Call to Action

• Directs listeners to burtjones4ga.com for campaign support, emphasizing national stakes in Georgia’s 2026 elections.

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3. Lighthearted Banter: Taylor Swift, Grooming, & Quarantine Haircuts [16:37 – 22:51]

• Audience Call: A listener calls out Buck Sexton's shifting opinions on Taylor Swift from his single to married years.
• Buck admits: “Single man versus married man. It’s very, very different.”
• Clay recounts a comical salon encounter about his mustache and haircut.
• COVID hair struggles: Clay never needed to cut his own hair due to Tennessee’s lighter restrictions.

Quote:

"I was impressed with her talent, and I thought she was somewhat good looking at the time. Now, of course, I'm a happily married man." — Buck Sexton [17:40]

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4. Interview: Carol Markowitz — Trans Youth Surgeries, Social Contagion, and Parental Responsibility [24:35 – 38:18]

A. Lawsuit and Backlash Against Transgender Procedures for Minors

• Markowitz lauds a recent $2 million damages verdict for a minor who underwent gender surgery.
• Argues only lawsuits will “end this insanity.”

Quote:

"The people who did this to them should be made to pay." — Carol Markowitz [25:13]

B. Widespread Social Contagion and Geographic Concentration

• Notes stark differences between NY and FL: In NY, “close to a dozen friends” identified as trans; in FL, “none.”
• Emphasizes social contagion, particularly in progressive enclaves.

Quote:

"It was a nationwide social Contagion. But it really only caught on in certain areas." — Carol Markowitz [27:12]

C. Medical, Parental, and Societal Accountability

• Markowitz argues for individual accountability—“because of the legal system we have and tort law, individuals can be held responsible.”
• Discusses how societal kindness/courtesy was weaponized to further an agenda she deems harmful.

Quote:

"They offer cruelty and call it kindness ... that's central to the whole trans experiment." — Buck Sexton [32:39]

D. Parental Pressures and Institutional Capture

• Many parents felt coerced; even non-political families sometimes had to move over school policies.
• Markowitz: “This happens in a lot of places and a lot of people are susceptible to it.”

Quote:

"They tell the parents, if you don't do this, your kid will kill themselves." — Carol Markowitz [33:20]

E. Larger Cultural Implications

• Markowitz draws parallels to Soviet totalitarianism and the targeting of the family unit.
• Argues ideologies attempt to “bring down the country” by eroding family bonds.

Quote:

"It targets the country. It's an anti American measure. It makes everybody a little crazy." — Carol Markowitz [36:59]

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5. Show Wrap-Up: Listener Feedback & Signature Tone [41:06–43:53]

• Listener “Pam from Anchorage” jokingly calls out Buck's Taylor Swift “shape-shifting opinion.”
• Buck admits he was only a “medium" T. Swift fan as a single man.
• Reminder to subscribe and catch Clay and Buck on the iHeart app.

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Memorable Quotes

• "It's embarrassing when I have to go to the Alabama Senators when I need something in D.C. ... ours are not very helpful and that's not the way it should be."
  — Lt. Governor Burt Jones [05:17]

• "You wonder where all the title nine women were that fought ... they were nowhere to be found when it was time to try to save girls sports from biologically male athletes."
  — Lt. Governor Burt Jones [06:42]

• "It was a nationwide social contagion. But it really only caught on in certain areas."
  — Carol Markowitz [27:12]

• "They offer cruelty and call it kindness ... that's central to the whole trans experiment."
  — Buck Sexton [32:39]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:02 – News updates and show themes.
• 05:16 – Start of conversation with Lt. Governor Burt Jones.
• 06:42 – Launch of "Girl Dads for Bert" coalition.
• 09:59 – Critique of Ossoff's record.
• 12:18 – End of Jones interview/campaign pitch.
• 16:37 – Listener calls, Taylor Swift debate, and grooming stories.
• 24:35 – Carol Markowitz interview starts.
• 25:13 – Lawsuits against trans surgeries for minors.
• 27:12 – Social contagion in youth trans identification.
• 32:39 – Cultural push for kindness as weaponized social pressure.
• 36:59 – Leftist ideology and family breakdown.
• 41:06 – Listener feedback, show sign-off.

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Final Notes

This episode mixes urgent politics, cultural debate, and humor. It puts a spotlight on the intersection of parent advocacy, gender issues in youth sports, and political dynamics in Georgia—all delivered in the Clay and Buck style: straightforward, witty, and unfiltered. Carol Markowitz’s insights provide a strong critique of progressive policies around gender medicine, while Lt. Governor Burt Jones outlines a campaign fueled by concerned parents (“Girl Dads for Burt”). Listener engagement, pop culture banter, and a call to action for grassroots involvement round out a fast-moving hour.

Transcript

[Carol Markowitz]

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[Clay Travis]

That's odoo.com welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We roll into the third hour of the program. We're gonna be joined by the lieutenant governor of George Upper Jones here in a sec. But let me set the table for several different things that have happened during the course of the program. Day four Search for Nancy Guthrie. Still no major news about where she might be as that continues. That is the mom of Savannah Guthrie. She went missing in Arizona. 1-800- call FBI. Is the tip line there for any of you in Arizona or anywhere else that may be able to help with the mystery of what has transpired with her? Breaking news reports from various different sites. Friday's nuclear talks between the US And Iran have been canceled. And so the odds of, I would imagine, strikes from the United States, United States on Iran have as a result grown. The second would be Trump assassin Ryan Routh has been sentenced to life in prison as as that is going on. And the American Society of Plastic Surgeons and the American Medical association. We'll talk with Carol Markowitz at the bottom of the hour about this. Have both said that trans surgeries on young people should not be occurring. That comes in the wake of a $2 million verdict in New York. And Buck, big story out of Washington, D.C. in Media. Jeff Bezos, finally, you were at Blue Origin, which is the space company of Jeff Bezos on Monday. Jeff Bezos is finally fed up with the Washington Post, which he purchased for $250 million back in 2013. He now is saying, basically, I'm done with what the Post has become. They are firing one third of all of the employees at the Washington Post. They became a subscription newspaper. They were virulently anti Trump in term one. The Post refused to endorse in the election of 2024 subscribers revolted because there's a far left wing news organization. And so everyone out there who was a subscriber, many of them cut. Bezos finally said, I'm tired of losing tens of millions of dollars. It's a big story there that I think maybe we could talk about a little bit Thursday, Friday, as the weekend rolls on. But we are joined now by the lieutenant governor of Georgia, Bert Jones. And it is National Girls and Women's Sports Day. And in the state of Georgia, there is a big Senate race coming up. And I'll start with this question for you, Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones, John Ossoff, who is running for Senate reelection in Georgia, be a big decision in 2026 for the people of Georgia. He actually thinks men should be able to compete in women's sports. I can't imagine that is something that the vast majority of Georgians agree with, particularly the dads out there.

[Buck Sexton]

No.

[Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones]

And Clay and Buck, I appreciate y' all having me on today. And it's really hard to believe that a senator from Georgia, you know, has voted three different times to allow boys into girls sp? And you know, he's always trying to play the middle of the road Democrat, but he kind of shows his true colors when, when he, when he does that on three different occasions. So obviously, we've got to come up with a nominee to run against him. We've got several guys who are running for that I think would make good candidates. And, and, and so hopefully when, when that winner emerges, we'll, we'll all get behind him and see if we can't knock, knock him off because it's embarrassing when I have to go to the Alabama Senators when I need something in D.C. you know, because ours are not very helpful and that's not the way it should be.

[Clay Travis]

So you've got a big election coming up. Obviously, the governor of Georgia, Brian Kemp, has been very popular. You are the lieutenant governor and you're launching something that I think is important. Girl dads for Bert Statewide coalition of dads standing up for fairness, safety, opportunity in girl sports. Today, again, national girls and women in sports. Riley Gaines, who works with me at Outkick, has been tremendous on speaking out on this issue for dads who want to sign up. And there are a ton of them out there listening right now that are fed up about this issue. What would you tell them to do?

[Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones]

Well, I'd tell them to go to girldadsforbert.com girldadsforbert.com and this is something that, look, we pushed two years ago and Riley Gaines helped us with this effort. We obviously, before the federal act was put in place, we push and got it done in the state of Georgia and not allowing boys and girls sports. And as a father of a teenage daughter who's a good athlete and likes to compete in a lot of different sports, you know, it was a no brainer for me and a lot of guys that I played with in college that have daughters themselves, they're involved with us and it's just helping spread the word because it is national Women's sports Day. You wonder where all the title nine women were that fought for to put women on equal playing field as far as scholarships are concerned, concerned at the collegiate level, they were nowhere to be found when it was time to try to save girls sports from biologically male athletes. So we're celebrating that and we thought it'd be in this campaign for governor. You know, it's a long haul, so you do have to come up some different things every once in a while. And this was something we felt passionate about and we were glad to have so many people participate and help us. Riley Gaines being one hall of fame football, NFL star Champ Bailey is on board helping us with it and obviously, yeah, go to girls girl dads for bird.com and would love to have you engaged and involved and in the campaign and then this effort as well.

[Clay Travis]

Why do you think the state of Georgia has elected Republicans to statewide office by and large that are in state government, but has now three consecutive cycles elected senators who are Democrats and don't really represent the state of Georgia, particularly on this issue, which is just a cultural flashpoint very well at all. And can that change in 26?

[Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones]

Yeah, I think it could definitely change. Obviously, the last election cycle, you know, the president, President Trump, who's endorsing me for governor, won Georgia by a pretty good margin. And then if you look at some of the other races back in 22 where all statewide constitutional officers won, Republicans won statewide elections with the exception of Herschel Walker when he was running for U.S. senate. So it definitely is still a red, red state. And I think it's, it's gotten redder as the Democrats have gotten further and further away from just middle of the road politics. It just seemingly just gone so far left that it's, it's a very different looking Democratic Party than It was just 10 years ago here in the state of Georgia. So I do think that we'll have an opportunity. I think, look, I think those, those elections were just, although they had, it was a perfect storm with a couple of those things how you ended up with Warnock and Ossoff. And we're going to try to prevent that from happening this cycle. We've worked a lot on election integrity. We've worked a lot on grassroots efforts. And our state Republican Party has gotten a lot stronger and more organized than probably what we were four or years ago.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm assuming lieutenant governor. And Spock, thanks for being here that it will come up quite a bit in this election that Ossoff back in March of last year joined Senate Democrats in blocking the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act. And his, when I was looking this up, I was like, what is his rationale for this? Or how does he, and he has people out there, his spokespersons are saying it's extremely intrusive for the federal government to confirm or, sorry, American parents don't need federal government confirming children's genitalia, end quote. That was what he said. This is crazy. This is like, this isn't, this is not rational stuff from this senator.

[Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones]

No, no, not at all. And you know, especially with one of the people he's running against actually passed the Raleigh Gaines act at the federal level. Congressman Mike Collins, who's running for U.S. senate. He, he passed the bill that has gotten so much fanfare here locally. And he, he's potentially also his opponent, you know, in the November election. So look, I, I can't make sense of a lot of things that the senator says So I don't need to try to try to get in his head because obviously he's just to make a statement like that is just preposterous. And so anyways, I just, you know, that's all the more reasons why we gotta, we gotta have a strong gubernatorial nominee like myself, a strong Senate candidate, where we can have a big coalition to make sure that, that we flip that, that seat back into the red column.

[Clay Travis]

Well, thank you for the time. Lieutenant Governor. For anybody out there that wants to help in the campaign, what would you tell them to do?

[Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones]

I would tell them to go to burt jones4ga.com bertjones4ga.com and of course you go to all our different platforms on social media, but to our website. And we'd love to have volunteers, love to have any kind of engagement that you'd like to participate in. We'd love to have you. It's a very important race. Georgia is a very important state. And that was the reason why President Trump endorsed me for this governor's race very early on, because he knows how important Georgia is, not just, not just for our politics here locally, but on the national stage as well.

[Clay Travis]

No doubt that's Burt Jones running for governor in the state of Georgia. Gonna be one of the top battlegrounds in 2026. Lieutenant governor now. Thank you, sir. Online identity theft crime you have few defenses against. And if you're an UNC like me, you've got a target on your back. Your best defense, online identity theft protection from LifeLock. They monitor hundreds of millions of data points every second for identity threats. And when they see evidence that your name and identity is being used without your permission as a member, they'll notify you immediately. If you do become a victim of identity theft, you get your own restoration specialist at LifeLock who will fix identity theft guaranteed or your money back. Not only that, your protection backed by Lifelocks million dollar protection package. Join now. Say 40% off your first year with my name Clay. When you sign up online or over the phone, Whichever is easiest, call 1-800-LIFELOCK. You can also go online to lifelock.com use promo code CLAY for 40% off. That's lifelock.com promo code C L A Y for 40 off.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Back in here to Clay and Buck. We insist on accountability on this program, accountability in government and accountability for ourselves as hosts and what we say. I bring this up because. Scurrilous accusation now being leveled about my changing opinion on Taylor Swift. Podcast listener Justin wants to weigh in on. He says he used to listen to me solo and I was singing a different tune, so to speak. This is, this is Talk Back. H. Hit it.

[Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones]

Does everyone remember when Buck had his.

[Buck Sexton]

Own show and he had quite a bit of praise for Taylor Swift, going.

[Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones]

So far as to call her T. Swift?

[Clay Travis]

Wow.

[Buck Sexton]

Whoa, wow. Whoa. Hold on a second. Hold on a second.

[Clay Travis]

What is the f. You go to the tape.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, we could probably find this stuff if you remember. Solo show Buck. Buck was a single man. And, and, and my.

[Clay Travis]

So you were willing to lie about your, your opinions of Taylor Swift to curry favor with single?

[Buck Sexton]

No, I, I, I was, I was impressed with her, her talent, and I thought she was somewhat good looking at the time. Now, of course, I'm a happily married man. I don't even consider such things. But at the time, I was willing to say perhaps that she was hot and, and that, you know, is as a single guy, that's, you know, that's just the way things are at the time. And, and, you know, there, and that I was impressed with. Also her many fans, some of whom were women in my, you know, general age category who I did not wish to upset as a single man out on the scene at the time by trashing. So I didn't want the T Swifters to left swipe on me just because I had said mean things about her music. So am I, am I playing a little bit of both sides on this one? Yeah, but we're talking about single man versus married man. It's very, very different. Very different.

[Clay Travis]

Maybe we need to get Tommy Lahren on the show because she hopped in the mentions on Instagram, signed off on my Taylor Swift take, and said she's going to be bigger than the Beatles. Allie, let's get Tommy booked because she has great taste when it comes to arguments. And let's see. Elaine in Bel Air, Florida. Elaine, what you got for us?

[Carol Markowitz]

Hi. Hey. I am embarrassed to say I'm not real great up to speed on my social media. Clay, did you shave your beard?

[Clay Travis]

Beard, you know, yesterday. Buck, this is talking about unfortunate occurrences. So I oftentimes I don't get a haircut as often as I should. As many people out there probably noticed, I'm not the best at making myself look the best. So I had time at the hotel to get a haircut. They have a, you know, hair salon in the hotel. So I stopped, got the haircut, and as I was getting the haircut, the woman giving me the haircut said, what's the deal with your mustache? And I said, well, you know, I lost a bet. I've got the mustache. And she just kind of nodded. She was cutting my hair, and she said, you know, I'm Russian. And I said, yeah, you can tell by the accent. She said, if you want that mustache gone, I can take it off for you right now. And you can just claim that your Russian hairdresser misunderstood when you asked me to trim it and you thought that I was going to take it off. But I'll have you know, Buck, because I'm honest, because I'm forthright, because I don't. I don't tiptoe up and try to dodge bets. I told her, no, you can just trim it up, make it look better. And she said, okay. But again, I'm Russian, and I can just claim that I didn't understand you well. And it's.

[Buck Sexton]

It.

[Clay Travis]

You can use that as an excuse.

[Buck Sexton]

I feel like your Russian hairdresser could also get you a stinger missile if you needed it. You know what I mean?

[Clay Travis]

Sounds like probably true. You know, she was definitely. I wondered. I was like, is this. Is this the KGB after me? But she gave me a great haircut, so I think I'm in good shape.

[Buck Sexton]

I like, by the way, you know, there's a certain boldness that Clay exhibits on this front where he will just walk around and he'll get his haircut anywhere. I mean, Clay, there's. He. He'll go anywhere. Like, you know, he's in south Florida, where everyone here has, like, the fade, and it's shaved along the sides. And then they did it to me once. Looked not good. Clay will go in anywhere. You know, he could be. He could be walking around Fairbanks, Alaska, and he's like, oh, look at that. Moose cuts. Let's go into moose cuts. And he'll go right in there.

[Clay Travis]

True. I go in and they say, like, what do you want? And inevitably, I say, well, I just want, you know, a decent haircut. I trust you to make Me look, you know, decent, whether it's super cuts, whether it's the hotel, whether it's Miami, like random barbershop as I'm walk along the street. And I think the end result here was positive. But did you try to cut your.

[Buck Sexton]

Own hair during COVID Did you ever try to cut your own hair?

[Clay Travis]

I lived in Tennessee. Nothing shut down.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, that's right. Damn it. We had in New York.

[Clay Travis]

We had.

[Buck Sexton]

I cut my own hair.

[Clay Travis]

I live in Franklin, Tennessee. My gym was open by May of 2020. Like they never. The. We basically did.

[Buck Sexton]

He's just rubbing it in now. He's just. He's just rubbing it.

[Clay Travis]

I just didn't do it.

[Carol Markowitz]

It.

[Buck Sexton]

My hair. I started to look like Tom Hanks and Castaway with the hair, but then the rest of me was just getting really fat instead of getting really skinny. So if you imagine Tom Hanks castaway, but if he was just eating delivery pad thai and like lots and lots of Reese's pieces, that was kind of my vibe.

[Clay Travis]

During COVID TikTok dances by yourself in your apartment while claiming that you like Taylor Swift to all the single girls you were dming. Oh, I'm big T. Swift fan. I love. I love this new album. It's very.

[Buck Sexton]

It's powerful.

[Clay Travis]

She.

[Buck Sexton]

She did it. I mean, she's got some speak so.

[Clay Travis]

Well, for our generation.

[Buck Sexton]

This is like. This is a little bit like my Natalie Portman, which, by the way, most people agreed with me on. It's not that she's. I'm not saying she's ugly. I'm not a lunatic. I'm not blind. But she's just not that pretty. She's just not that pretty. Natalie. I mean, sorry, Taylor Swift, yes, she has captured a generation, but I do not think she will be a multi generational phenomenon the way that certain other musical acts, like for example, the Beatles have been. That's just my. That's my take. And also her, you know, and now I'm married and she's married or. No, she's not married yet. She's about to get married, right?

[Clay Travis]

She get married to Travis Kelsey at the Super Bowl. Which is where? Not at the super bowl, but he's been at the Super Bowl a lot. I am leaving right now to go to San Francisco. You're going to close up shop. I've got to get to LAX and somehow fly on my southwest flight up to San Francisco.

[Buck Sexton]

Take that mustache away. All right?

[Clay Travis]

Don't let anyone just let me through. Security, Security.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Carol Markowitz]

Thanks so much for having me. I can't believe I'm not going to get a chance to make fun of Clay's mustache.

[Buck Sexton]

I. I know you're gonna have to come back. Hopefully he's not gonna wimp out and grow the rest of his facial hair back. Because the mustache, it's like Clay stepped in a time machine. And we have 1975 clay right now. It's pretty, pretty awesome. But your piece, Your piece got got my attention. As it always does. New York Post here to end transgender madness. Make the ghouls who push these surgeries pay the price. We talked about this in the opening of the show. The 2 million on adolescents get sued. Bigly.

[Carol Markowitz]

I agree. Yeah. And I think that this is the only way to really end this insanity. People forget that for so many years, not only was this all pushed on the rest of us as the normal thing to do. Sure. Cut off the breast of a healthy teenage girl to make her pretend that she's a boy. That was something that not only was the medical profession telling Americans was the right thing to do, but if you dare to disagree with this in any way, you were a bigot, you were anti trans. You were a terrible person who wanted to see dead kids. So this win draws the line in the sand and says, no more of this. And in my column, I highlight how many kids had this kind of surgery. The HHS puts the number at around 3,700American adolescents in just four years. So it's a really crazy large amount of numbers of kids who went through this serious surgery. But then there's so many more kids who did things like breast binding or took hormones and have their lives ruined forever. And the people who did this to them should be made to pay.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, I just had a conversation yesterday, actually with a Floridian who. I was talking to him, and he does some. Some house flipping and remodeling and stuff like that. And I said, you know, why'd you move down here? And he said, honestly, the breaking point was at my school, my, you know, my kids school, rather, they started pushing the trans stuff. And he was in, I think, fifth or sixth grade or something. And he's like, I just had to. I had to just say enough is enough. And I moved down here to Florida, where, of course, they don't do that stuff in the schools. Thank you, Governor DeSantis. But even like Megan Kelly, Megyn Kelly pulled, and she's been very open about this. She talked about on her show, she pulled her son from a school that was like the rival school to the one I went to in New York. So kind of hit get close to home because they were doing like the trans, you know, coming out day stuff for kids in primary school.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah. What's really crazy is how prevalent it became in places like New York City. And it was very much a geographical question, like depending on where you were mattered for whether this kind of thing was going to hit your kids or not. My daughter, we moved when she was in the middle of sixth grade. We moved from New York to Florida. And she would have. In New York, she had, I would say, close to a dozen friends who in some way called themselves trans. Maybe they said they were non binary, which was kind of the easier way out. Or they declared themselves the opposite gender from what they were. When she got to Florida, there were none. Zero. She has not encountered this at all. And that really goes to show something. It was a. It was a nationwide social Contagion. But it really only caught on in certain areas. You know, there was this kind of jokey line about it at the time in like 2020, but it was like, there's no trans kids in the hood. And that was the thing. It wasn't happening everywhere. It was happening in these far left enclaves that allowed this to happen. And then it was seeping into red areas also. But a lot of times parents in those areas were putting a stop to it.

[Buck Sexton]

Carol, one thing that you also detail in your New York Post piece, and I think it's just so important that people know about this. And it's. It goes to how disgraceful all this stuff was. And it is these procedures that they put sometimes kids through. And I even. I actually think this stuff should be illegal for adults as well, because I think it's. These are not medical procedures. That's a whole. That's a whole other conversation. We're talking now about non adults. We're talking about minors. And some of these procedures, even things like chest binding, which you get into here, is. Is. Can deform these young girls and give them lifelong pain.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah. Yeah. And what was so crazy about, again, that era where we were all made to say that we would support this kind of insanity was that it really did. Did grip so many different kinds of people. You know, when Bethany Mandel and I wrote our book Stolen Youth, it was published in 2023, so we were writing it in, like, 2122. We had to. When we were talking to conservative publishers, they were saying to us, we love the book. Conservative publishers, book. We love the book, but we need you to cut the trans chapter. And that was. Even in the conservative world, you weren't allowed to say that this was having serious, serious damage on these kids, that it wasn't a joke, that it was a real thing that was happening, that. That kids were having body parts cut off. And of course, the left goes through that. That thing that they do where it's not happening, but also if it is happening, it's a good thing. And that's where they are right now. They're. They're in a situation where they've pushed for this. They allowed this to go on, and now they have to say that it's a good thing that they've cut off the breasts of healthy teenage girls to help them pretend that they're boys. But we all know that it's not. And I think that this kind of court case, winning this kind of court case really goes a long way to showing who's on the right side.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, I have in my forthcoming book Carol, which I will say Carol has been a very important source of. Of encouragement in my book writing process. Manufacturing Delusion. And there's a whole chapter on menticide, which is what a psychiatrist and an army psychiatrist in the Second World War who actually dealt with a lot of. Of SS Nazi prisoners. He was Dutch. He came up with this term of menticide, Meerloo. And it's the destruction of the brain. And one of the key things is to get people to affirm really obvious and grotesque lies. Like, that's a central part of this. And this was obviously true in the Soviet Union as well. To me, there has been. And this is why I talk about the trans stuff in the chapter on menticide in the book. There has been a transgender agenda that is menticidal with respect to how they insist that people say the most insane things or they will go crazy and sometimes even become very violent, as we know.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right. You have to say it. The words, and you have to say them in the right way. And you need to parrot the line that the left is feeding you. We also had this in our book because it's a. It's a sign of totalitarianism. It's what totalitarian societies do. They push one note, one voice that you must speak with. And when somebody doesn't, when the J.K. rowlings of the world step out of line, they're shunned in such a really nasty, horrible way that they're really taken out of their own society. It's a really terrible situation. And the fact is that we're getting to the point where we could see who was right and who was wrong. And that's really what we want to be hoping for here, that this kind of thing comes to an end. The children aren't mutilated anymore, that this kind of thing isn't pushed in our schools, that we come to believe that you cannot change your birth sex, that you. You can dress up as however you want, you can call yourself whatever you want. But 10,000 years from now, when somebody digs up your bones, they're going to know what the DNA said. And that's going to be that you were either a boy or you were a girl. And that is the end of the story. And there's no compassion in lying to children. That they could change that in any way, and having them try to change that is just. Has been a grotesque experiment. And I hope it ends well.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that that's. That's such a critical point. They have used the idea of kindness. They have used the ideas of kindness and courtesy as a weapon against those of us who wanted to protect children. And it's just use, just be nice. Use the pronouns they want. Just be nice. Encourage them in this belief. Just be nice. Give them the hormones. Or. Or. And now this is for the parents particularly. You know, take them to the doctor that'll give them the hormones that'll bind their chest, will do these things. It's actual cruelty. They, they, they offer cruelty and call it kindness. And I think that is central to the whole trans experiment.

[Carol Markowitz]

It. Absolutely. And they tell the parents, if you don't do this, your kid will kill themselves. And that's really just one of the things that parents, you know, they'll do anything for their kids. Right. And if they're told, like, would you rather have a live girl or a live daughter or a dead son? Obviously every parent would want their child alive. But it's, it's. They kind of cornered parents into this where they had to accept a ridiculous reality that was never going to be in order to say, oh, this is how your child survives. And they really put parents through the wringer.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm glad that there's this lawsuit that happened, though, because I have been concerned all along, Carol, and this is going to speak. Right. Right. To you on this issue, that it would be a little bit like the aftermath of COVID when somehow no doctors, no hospitals, no health policy people, no one in the government, no one just lied, no one abused us for power, nobody was responsible, even though we know. So that's all a lie itself in this case, because of the legal system we have and tort law. I do think people, individuals can be held responsible. I don't think they're just going to be able to do the. Yeah, so what if we told you you needed a vaccine passport, and that was insane and totally useless.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right. You're right. Usually people are not held accountable for terrible things that they do to society, but this is hopefully going to be the change in that. And again, this is so far beyond the pale. Not that I didn't think that the COVID regulations and things that they did to us were also horrible. I did. But, you know, the cutting off of healthy body parts I think is just something that we need to. Again, the line in the sand that we have to say that this is just something that we cannot societally accept. And the fact that this is the very first win of a court case like this that went to Trial. I hope the floodgates open after this and I hope there are many, many more.

[Buck Sexton]

Do you think that. Have you ever talked to a parent that seemed otherwise to be relatively like normal and with it who was a big believer in this trans ideology stuff in school?

[Carol Markowitz]

No, but what I was going to say is a lot of people think that parents who have kids who declare themselves trans are, you know, uniformly leftist, uniformly crazy. I knew a family in New York who had a child who said that they were the opposite gender and they had. I mean, they were this very normal family who you would never. They definitely weren't encouraging their kids to do anything crazy. They definitely weren't on board with any of this. But they literally had to move. They had to leave the state because their child's school was saying, you have to affirm this for your child. This is elementary school. This is while my kids were in elementary school. And the fact that the school was pressuring them to affirm their child. There's so many normal families that get caught up in this. I think a lot of conservatives just think it's like blue haired nose ring families that this happens to. This happens in a lot of places and a lot of people are susceptible to it. You have to protect your kids.

[Buck Sexton]

Who wants this stuff?

[Carol Markowitz]

Right?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I know that we could throw out some things. We see these crazy activists. But it's fascinating to me that whenever you push on any individual politician on this, they start speaking around, they pull a Gavin Newsom, they start speaking around the issue, they speak in platitudes. A. Yeah, it's amazing. They've used so much power to force this on us, and yet no person who can be held accountable will actually stand forth and subject themselves to debate and argument on this subject.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah, I really do think it's a leftist destruction of the family. When you have your kids be broken down in this manner where they don't know what gender is anymore and they can't be sure that such a thing exists where there's only a boy and a girl and that's it. I think that it really does target the traditional family and it's a larger picture. It targets the country. It's an anti American measure. It makes everybody a little crazy. And I know it sounds like why would they do this or who would do this? But look at the activists on the streets right now. Their cause of the day doesn't matter. Every cause is basically the same people out in the streets. And the point is to bring down the country. And I know that that sounds lofty and like, why you know that that can't be what they're really thinking. But all of these steps, all breakdown of institutions, of familial binds, all of this is the same thing. It takes its roots in places like communist Russia, where I'm from, where they did the exact same thing, where your family is not your family. They're not supposed to matter to you more than the random person on the street. And the country comes above all and you're not allowed to have religion and all of this, it's all one leftist push to change the way our country is and we can't let them have it.

[Buck Sexton]

Totally agree with you. Great piece in the New York Post, guys. Go check out Carol's show. She does a great job. Carol Markowitz show and also normally, which she does with Mary Kathryn Ham. Carol, my friend, thank you. Energy is critical. Energy is essential. And you need to have the right underlying chemistry in your body if you're going to get the most out of your day. You're going to stay focused. You're going to have drive. Gentlemen, I've been on a health journey journey and I started to get really run down. Got too chubby, got too slow. I've turned things around. I'm still working. Don't, don't think that I feel like I've accomplished the mission. I'm like halfway through. But proper supplementation has been critical and I get my supplements from Chalk. C H O Q In fact, the Chalk Male Vitality stack which I take, is a multi supplement bundle designed to support men's vitality, energy and healthy testosterone levels. The CEO of Chalk's a personal friend of mine and Clay. He's based in Texas, All American Guy. He cares so much about what goes into these products because he is truly passionate about this. He wants to help all of you guys and gals out there. They have a female stack too, but I can tell you he takes all the stuff himself. He is a true believer in these products from Chalk and so am I. Go check him out. Go to chalk.com c h o q.com subscribe with my name Buck as your promo code and Chalk will pack a free 99 bag of chalk lit powder with your first delivery. That's chalk choq.com and use my name Buck as your promo code.

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[Buck Sexton]

And if you go into Moosecuts, Tom Pam sent you since seemingly I am the only listener in Alaska. Yeah, I know there's a. We got a lot of Alaska listeners, actually, but I'm getting called out by OG Original Saturday squad here. Go back way, guys. I told you. Single Buck a little more open to Taylor Swift than married Buck. And you know, I think we can all understand, all right? It's a different, different world I'm living in now. I, I, that's all I could say. That's the only defense I can offer up here. But a lot of you calling in to say that. I used to be a big T. Swift fan. I was a medium. I was a medium T. Swift fan. Thank you as always for being here with us. Great to hang with you. Tomorrow we're gonna have a phenomenal show. Spread the word. Tell people about Clay and Buck, because this is where all the good stuff happens. See you then.

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