Hour 3 - Suicidal Empathy

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Hour 3: "Suicidal Empathy"

Date: May 18, 2026
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This hour dives into two main themes:

1. An in-depth interview with Gad Saad, a behavioral scientist and author of the new book, Suicidal Empathy: Dying to be Kind, exploring the destructive outcomes of misplaced empathy in Western culture.
2. Political coverage of the Georgia Republican Senate primary, featuring candidate Derek Dooley, and the broader national implications for Senate control.

The tone is provocative, urgent, and often humor-laced, characteristic of Clay and Buck’s style. They challenge what they see as excesses and contradictions in current progressive ideology, particularly around issues of identity, crime, and public safety.

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Key Segments and Highlights

1. Georgia GOP Senate Primary: Derek Dooley Interview

(02:31 – 14:03)

Who is Derek Dooley? (02:31–03:23)

• Dooley, a former football head coach, is running for the GOP nomination for Senate in Georgia against two Congressmen.
• Emphasizes his "outsider" status and personal campaign effort:

  "Since I announced, I think I've put about 35,000 miles driving around this big state in our truck. ... The surge in the polling has started to show. There's just a lot of excitement on the ground and we really feel good about where we are heading into tomorrow." (Derek Dooley, 03:23)

On Jon Ossoff, Incumbent Democrat (06:11–08:04)

• Dooley portrays Ossoff as out of step with Georgia, barely visible and strategically quiet, but voting "98% for Joe Biden."
• Plans to run on offense:

  "Just the fact that he voted for 98% for Joe Biden alone ought to tell you…we’re going to show the film to the Georgia people on who Jon Ossoff is." (Derek Dooley, 06:11)

Kemp Endorsement and Winning Statewide in Georgia (08:04–11:27)

• Dooley is strongly endorsed by Governor Brian Kemp, "the most popular politician anywhere in the state of Georgia."
• Stresses the need for a candidate who can both energize core Republicans and appeal to swing/independent voters, citing past ticket splitting:

  “If you’re going to win a statewide election in Georgia…you got to have a candidate who not only can energize the Republican Trump voters, but you better have someone who can find a little common ground…” (Derek Dooley, 09:54)

Poll Surge, Runoff Process, and Stakes (11:27–14:03)

• Explains likely runoff if no candidate receives >50% in the primary.
• Asserts that winning this seat is essential for GOP control of the Senate:

  “There is no math basically by which [Democrats] can take control of the Senate [if Republicans win Georgia].” (Clay Travis paraphrasing, 12:51)

Memorable Moment:
Dooley’s friendly razzing of Clay’s athleticism:

“It would be a mix between the 15 kicker, maybe the 6 string long snapper. I never really admired his athletic prowess. It was more about his journalistic and legal skills.” (Derek Dooley, 05:33)

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2. Listener Call: Left-Wing Identity Contradictions

(19:35 – 21:00)

A listener from Omaha raises the issue of progressive confusion around immutable characteristics, gender, and race.

Key Quotes:

• Buck:

  "Race is actually a mixture and is far more of a spectrum, a scale if you will, than gender is…yet you aren’t allowed to claim different race even if you have a percentage of that race.” (Buck Sexton, 19:49)

• Clay:

  “If she had been a woman pretending to be a man, she would be a hero to the Democrat party. … The trans issue is actually the one thing where they will allow an immutable characteristic to be altered.” (Clay Travis, 20:33)

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3. Main Interview: Gad Saad on 'Suicidal Empathy'

(23:14 – 36:49)

Definition and Examples of "Suicidal Empathy" (23:14–25:20)

• Gad Saad explains "suicidal empathy" as empathy so extreme it becomes self-destructive.
• Shares disturbing examples, including crime victims who excuse their perpetrators due to fear of being seen as prejudiced against minorities.

  “A woman was gang raped in Germany...she lied to police because she didn’t want to marginalize the Middle Eastern community… Another, a white woman goes to Haiti to prove black men are peaceful, is raped, and blames white supremacy for her assault.” (Gad Saad, 23:14)

Roots of the Phenomenon (25:20–29:09)

• Saad sees this as both an evolved misfiring of human empathy and a result of modern leftist academic doctrine.

  “All of which were spawned on university campuses...it uniquely takes intellectuals and to come up with some of the most devastatingly imbecilic ideas.” (Gad Saad, 28:25)

• Uses "wood cricket" analogy: a parasite makes a cricket suicidal; similarly, ideological “parasites” drive society toward self-destruction.

How to 'Cure' the Pathogen (27:41–29:09)

• Calls for a "mind vaccine":

  “You literally have to administer a mind vaccine in the same way ... eradicate those ideas. ... Every single parasitic idea ... stem from professors...” (Gad Saad, 27:41, 28:25)

UK Rape Gangs: Authorities' Paralysis (29:09–32:06)

• Saad and Buck detail cases in the UK where police ignored systematic gang rapes of underage girls by Pakistani immigrants out of fear of appearing racist.

  “…when it comes between ... protecting our children, or ... the rapists of our children ... everybody in that society says, oh, screw those children. ... By the way, this happens across many other contexts...” (Gad Saad, 30:56)

Is There Hope? (32:06–36:49)

• Saad is “optimistic” that we know how to correct course but “pessimistic” about the political courage (“testicular fortitude”) in the West to implement fixes.

• Suggests real change would require rooting out dangerous academic doctrines; commends Donald Trump’s executive orders as a (temporary) example.

• Buck’s hopeful note:

  “…my optimistic point is, I think people are actually beginning to get fed up with this at a critical mass where they're like, this will destroy our society…” (Buck Sexton, 34:32)

• Saad’s own positive announcement:

  “I will soon be moving permanently to Ole Miss where I will hold the distinguished professorship…you need the Lebanese, Jewish, Canadian professor to come down to defend American values…” (Gad Saad, 34:54)

• On Elon Musk’s impact:

  “...nothing is as important as him giving us back the public square of ideas. For that alone, he deserves multiple Nobel Prizes.” (Gad Saad, 36:09)

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4. Cultural Nostalgia: The Pizza Hut Revival

(41:39 – 43:06)

• Old-school Pizza Hut locations (with “red cups” and vintage decor) are making a comeback, drawing crowds from hours away.
• Clay and Buck share personal nostalgia and note its unexpected popularity.

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Notable Quotes by Segment & Timestamp

• Derek Dooley, on winning Georgia:
  “...the only thing that matters is do we flip this seat or not? And we feel confident about our plan. But listen, we're focused on tomorrow. … it's one game at a time.” (Derek Dooley, 13:22)

• Gad Saad, on ‘mind vaccines’:
  “You literally have to administer a mind vaccine in the same way that you would have to administer a polio vaccine to avoid being infected by the polio virus.” (27:41)

• Buck Sexton, on public attitudes:
  “…race is actually a mixture and is far more of a spectrum… and yet you aren't allowed to claim different race…” (19:49)

• Gad Saad, about activism and Twitter post-Elon Musk:
  “...nothing is as important as him giving us back the public square of ideas. For that alone, he deserves multiple Nobel Prizes.” (36:09)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 02:31 | Intro to Derek Dooley (Georgia Senate candidate) | | 04:25 | Dooley describes Ossoff and his Senate campaign | | 08:04 | Kemp’s endorsement and Georgia electoral strategy | | 11:27 | Discussion of runoff elections, national implications| | 19:35 | Listener call: immutable characteristics & the Left | | 23:14 | Gad Saad begins: examples of suicidal empathy | | 25:20 | “Wood cricket” parasite analogy | | 27:41 | Mind vaccines against idea pathogens | | 29:09 | UK rape gang cover-up, institutional cowardice | | 32:06 | Buck asks if there is hope—Saad’s optimism/pessimism | | 34:54 | Saad announces professorship at Ole Miss | | 36:09 | Saad on Elon Musk and freedom of speech on X/Twitter | | 41:17 | PureTalk ad + show wrap up | | 42:30 | Pizza Hut nostalgia segment |

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

• The episode is sharply critical of progressive and left-wing dogmas regarding identity politics, criminal justice, and multiculturalism.
• Features a blend of humor and severity, especially in the Gad Saad interview, alternating between dark anecdotes and pointed solutions.
• Listeners are encouraged to vote in the primaries, defend free speech, and challenge ideological orthodoxies they find destructive.
• Both hosts and guests ultimately try to strike a balance between doom-and-gloom warnings and rallying optimism ("people are fed up"; "We do have some sane people in the United States.")

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End of Summary – The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, May 18, 2026, Hour 3

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Okay, we are joined now by Georgia Senate candidate Derek Dooley. He is the Republican candidate among. I think there are three of them basically running. The primary is tomorrow in Georgia. Derek Dooley with us now, former football head coach finally has decided he couldn't take it any longer and has stepped into the fray. What can you tell us, Derek Dooley, about the on the ground situation in Georgia and for people nationwide that are listening, listening. The winner of this primary will be running against John Ossoff, who I think I feel comfortable in saying has no business whatsoever representing the people of Georgia. And certainly Georgia shouldn't have two Democrat senators in a state that President Trump just won and that has had a Republican governor for some time.

[Derek Dooley]

Well, you're right about that, Clay, and thank you for having me on the show. You know, when I decided to announce my candidacy all the way back in August, I really had one goal and that was to earn it. Earn it from the Georgia people. Since I announced, I think I've put about 35,000 miles driving around this big state in our truck. And I think over the last six or eight weeks, we've made about 64 stops in 59 counties. And the surge in the polling has started to show. There's just a lot of excitement on the ground and we really feel good about where we are heading into tomorrow. But of course, as you know, the most important thing is getting everybody out to vote. So we're just encouraging everybody to show up at the polls because the candidates matter in these primaries. And I feel confident that I'm the best candidate to go beat John Ossoff, because you're right, he doesn't represent Georgia and the Georgia people don't know much about him. And we need a candidate who can educate the Georgia people about what he stands for.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, let's, let's start with that. Derek, it's Buck. Nice to meet you, sir. And hey. Hey, how you doing? Actually, before we get into that, I'm curious. When you first met Clay many years ago, what was more likely, that you were going to run for Senate or that he was going to be on a right wing political talk radio show on almost 600 stations? What do you think?

[Derek Dooley]

Well, Clay and I had, we sparred a little bit back in the day and. But I'll tell you, Buck, you know, he hadn't changed a bit. I don't think I've changed much. And I always respected him. You know, when I got there, everybody told me, you don't need to talk about this guy. Play Travis. You know, he's a bad guy. He's bad for the program, that sort of stuff. Well, I just listened to him and read what he said and I it was always a good, fair, honest critique of what we were doing. I used to tell our guys, y' all are just mad because he's telling the truth. And I didn't mind people talking and criticizing if it was truthful. And he was always truthful and always respected his journalism. So it doesn't surprise me one bit that he's made it as far as he has.

[Buck Sexton]

If Clay had to play a position on your team though, what would the position of it?

[Derek Dooley]

Well, it would be a mix between the 15 kicker, maybe the 6 string long snapper. I never really admired his athletic prowess. It was more about his journalistic and legal skills.

[Buck Sexton]

I thought long snapper was definitely the

[Clay Travis]

way you're going to go there.

[Buck Sexton]

So thank you. Thank you on that one. All right, now back into the serious politics. Now the folks got a little chance to hear about your background with no one or the one and only Mr. Clay. Travis Oz off from Georgia. What changes if you represent the great state of Georgia in the Senate instead of having this guy, what has Ossoff stood for? What would you do differently?

[Derek Dooley]

Well, I think one of the things I learned traveling around the state over the last nine months is most people really don't know who he is. I mean, you, if you really think about it, you don't see him grandstanding a lot on cnn. You never see him standing next to Chuck Schumer or AOC waving the party flag. And I really believe it's strategic because deep down he knows what he votes for, what he supports does not represent the values of the Georgia people. Just the fact that he voted for 98% for Joe Biden alone ought to tell you I just don't believe our state is that. And we have a laundry list of things. You know that old saying in football, your film is your resume and we're going to show the film to the Georgia people on who Jon Ossoff is that we did not have back in 2020. Just think about the 40 year high inflation that we're still battling with that he voted for three times. Maybe it's the open border stuff that he supported that's still causing problems in our country. We know about the WOKE stuff on our kids, the men and women's sports. There's a laundry list of issues, Buck, that we're going to educate the Georgia people on. And I think it's important in this primary that we get a candidate who can stay on offense on this, you know, right now I'm running against two sitting congressmen and we're really getting a preview to me of what Jon Ossoff's strategy is going to be. He's building his war chest right now. And then you look at my two opponents. You know, Mike Collins is attacking Buddy Carter for his careerism and, you know, long voting record buddies, attacking Mike for his corruption or House ethics charge and misuse and taxpayer funds. And that's going to be also is to keep them on defense. But as a political outsider, as a coach who has, you know, been in a profession working with people from all walks of life, he's not going to be able to do that to me. We're going to stay on offense on him and educate the Georgia people.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Derek Dooley, Georgia Senate Republican race tomorrow, the primaries in Georgia. Everybody needs to get go out and vote. You are endorsed by Brian Kemp, the current governor. I think he's done a whale of a job and most Georgians agree with me. Certainly Brian Kemp, I think it would be fair to say, is the most popular politician anywhere in the state of Georgia. Now, what does his endorsement mean for you and why did he endorse you?

[Derek Dooley]

Well, it's been a real honor to have his and the first lady's endorsement and traveling around with him. You know, he's not just saying he's for me, Clay. He's actually he and the first lady have been on the road campaigning, working hard. And I think it's, it's, you know, it's, it's several reasons, but the gist of it is, and he says this, he wants to win. You know, a lot of people thought he was going to run for Senate. And when he decided he was not going to run because he's turned out as governor, he started looking around the country at trying to see, you know, what's the best way to flip a entrenched sitting Democratic incumbent. And a lot of the formula has been political outsiders. You look at the last cycle, whether it's Bernie Marino in Ohio, McCormick in Pennsylvania, Sheehy in Montana, all political outsiders, they were in an outcome oriented profession, whether in some kind of leadership position, whether it was in business or military or what have you, and flipped an entrenched sitting Democrat. And a lot of it has to do with being able to stay on offense and not go on defense. But I think the other piece of it too, Buck, is, you know, Georgia is an interesting state. You mentioned in the beginning we have the most popular governor in our Lifetime two term. He's conservative, he's very pro business. But yet the Republican Party has not won a Senate race in 10 years. It's been that long. And probably the most telling example of what moves statewide elections in Georgia is you look at 2022 when Governor Kemp was up for his reelect and he annihilated Stacey Abrams by seven and a half points in that election. We also had Herschel Walker, Republican running against raphael Warnock. And 300,000 voters voted for Governor Kemp and Raphael Warnock and Herschel only lost the election by 41,000 votes. So it's a really telling example of if you're going to win a statewide election in Georgia, not a heavy red leaning congressional district, you got to have a candidate who not only can energize the Republican Trump voters, but you better have someone who can find a little common ground or maybe have a leadership style with voters that don't always vote Republican or maybe they don't always show up in primaries or midterms. And you know, it's something Governor Kemp did so well. And listen, it's something I've done for 30 years as a coach sitting in kitchen living rooms and people that didn't always look like me or think like me. And I was just simply asking to trust me with their son and their grandson. And then you had to keep it. They were calling home every day. So that's why he supported me. And his support has been big. But listen, at the end of the day, his support is not going to win me the election. I got to earn it from the people of Georgia and that's what I've been doing for nine months.

[Clay Travis]

You are surging right now in the polls. You're also surging in the prediction markets, Kalshee Poly Market. This is now basically a 5050 race according to them. What happens? I believe there's likely to be a runoff. Walk us through. Obviously we want everybody in Georgia to show up and vote tomorrow. Big battleground state, big decisions to make across a lot of different races. The governor's race is, is going to be, as you mentioned, Brian Kemp's term limited out. So it's wide open to how does this process play out from here starting with the primary tomorrow.

[Derek Dooley]

Well, in Georgia, if a candidate in the primary doesn't get over 50% of the votes, which is very difficult when you have a multi candidate race, then the top two vote getters go into a runoff and the election happens four weeks after that. But you know, you play, you mentioned the surge in polls People are surprised, but if they had been with us on the ground, I started feeling this momentum back four or five weeks ago because for six or seven months, you know, the clubhouse leader was undecided. I mean, over 50% were undecided. And when we started putting out our Georgia first contract, going on the ground and campaigning on what we're going to stand for, everybody started falling our way. And so we feel confident headed into tomorrow we're going to continue that trend.

[Clay Travis]

The data here for everybody out there who's not from Georgia, and I always say we got six primaries tomorrow. Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky, Oregon, Pennsylvania, all y' all need to go vote tomorrow in all those states. But, but Derek, the data reflects that if, if you and or the Republican party can win this senate seat and beat Ossoff, there is no math basically by which they can take control of the Senate. Right. This is a knockout race if Republicans win.

[Derek Dooley]

I think you're right. And that's why the Democratic war chest from all over the country is pouring into Ossoff's bank. But it's also why this primary election is so critical that we get the best candidate who can beat Jon Ossoff. And that's who we are. And I think that voters understand that because at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is do we foot this seat or not? And we feel confident about our plan. But listen, we're focused on tomorrow. You know, it's one game at a time. As you know, we can't get our sights set on the runoff or on the general because we got a clear hurdle number one first.

[Clay Travis]

Good stuff. Appreciate the time. Good luck tomorrow, everybody.

[Derek Dooley]

Go vote. Okay, thank you guys.

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[Derek Dooley]

Have to disagree with you just a little bit. The far left does not believe that what you are born with are immutable characteristics.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, they think you can change your gender.

[Derek Dooley]

They think you can identify as a different race. Bill Clinton was our first black president

[Buck Sexton]

and Pocahontas was our first Native American representative. Now she's actually, she's being funny, but she's actually, I think Clay making a very important point as well with the humor, which is that in fact, race is actually a mixture and is far more of a Spectrum, a scale if you will than gender is. Gender is male, female, with very, very, very rare exceptions. Race is actually quite a mixture of things. And yet you aren't allowed to claim different race even if you have a percentage of that race. If your skin color does not meet the left standard of you're allowed to

[Clay Travis]

say so Rachel Dolezal was a racist. Spokane, Washington, Head of the naacp. Her basic life ended because she was white pretending to be black. If she had been a woman pretending to be a man, she would be a hero to the Democrat party. So I would suggest that the trans issue is actually the one thing where they will allow an immutable characteristic to be altered.

[Buck Sexton]

But transracial actually should be more of a thing.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, I agree.

[Buck Sexton]

More complex.

[Clay Travis]

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[Gad Saad]

Yeah, you're exactly right. Thank you for having me on, by the way. You're exactly right. It's too bad that that example didn't happen a bit earlier for me to include it in the book. But the reality is I've accumulated hundreds of such examples in the book. I'll give you two other ones that are very similar in spirit to the one that you just said. A woman was gang raped in Germany by a bunch of guys who were speaking Arabic and Farsi. When the police came to ask her questions about who the perpetrators might be, she lied and told them that they were speaking in German because she didn't want to marginalize the Middle Eastern community. And now here's the kicker, here's the best one. A white woman who's very liberal. She's a lot more enlightened than all of us here in this show. She wanted to go to Haiti to demonstrate, to dismantle the white supremacist idea that black men ever engage in any violence because in their natural state they're just beautiful and kind. It's only whites that are mean. And so she went to Haiti and she found out that. Well, it turns out that reality has a way of slapping you because a Haitian man took her to the rooftop and violently raped her all night. At the end of which she said that she was very thankful for the experience because it demonstrated how white supremacy made him do that. When a Haitian man rapes a white woman on a rooftop, it's really whites who are to blame. There's your suicidal empathy.

[Clay Travis]

Wow.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, so that's, that's really laying out the. The. To borrow from the parasitic mind. Right? This is an idea path, which is your previous book, which is excellent. The idea pathogen here that you're getting at, that you're describing in the book of the suicidal empathy. Is this a misfire in the circuitry of the brain that we're just more aware of in modern society? Or is this a function of godless leftist progressive social justice dogma? Like how do we get to that? Because I mean, that case that you just told is crazy.

[Gad Saad]

It's both. And let me thank you for referring to parasitic mind, because there is a narrative between the two books. We are both a thinking and a feeling animal. The parasitic mind looked at what happens to our cognitive system when it is hijacked and parasitized. Suicidal empathy then completes that story by arguing that if I truly wish to hijack your ability to think critically, I also have to parasitize your affective system Once I have done both of these deeds. And then you become the wood cricket. And let me explain what I mean by that, because it's a very powerful analogy. A wood cricket, an actual insect. The wood cricket abhors water. It wants nothing to do with water. But when it is parasitized by a hairworm, the hairworm needs the wood cricket to merrily jump into water, happily commit suicide so that it could complete its reproductive cycle. So now you can understand how that white woman being raped and that rooftop and saying that it's due to white supremacy when a black guy was raping her is exactly the wood cricket. It's absolutely extraordinary.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, this is the thing that I think so many of our audience myself. How do we fix it? How do we. Buck and I have talked about. I don't know if you remember in Indiana Jones where the Temple of Doom where Indy takes the drink and completely turns into one of the bad guys and then his.

[Buck Sexton]

They take a torch, they take like a torch, put it up against

[Clay Travis]

up to him, burns him. And Indiana Jones wakes up and realizes that by drinking that blood he had basically been infected with the evil. How do we have. And that's a metaphor obviously in that movie, but I think it can apply to the woke virus in general. How do we wake people up? That woman who got raped and said I got raped by a Haitian because of white supremacy. The woman who got shoved down the stairs and said she was so afraid of the mass incarceration that she didn't want to do anything. And then a 76 year old guy gets murdered as a result of the guy who did it to her not being punished. How do we wake people up? Like what works to break break this cycle?

[Gad Saad]

Well, you literally have to administer a mind vaccine in the same way that you would have to administer a polio vaccine to avoid being infected by the polio virus. So let me give you a concrete example because that just sounds abstract. The parasitic idea known as cultural relativism is the idea that who are you to judge the cultural practices and beliefs of another society? If they wish to engage in honor killings, shut up, racist. If they wish to engage in genital mutilation of five year old girls, shut up, racist. Well, that parasitic idea Once I internalize it then renders me suicidally empathetic when it comes to open border policies. Why? Because it becomes not homophobic Islamophobic to say that maybe we don't want to let in millions of people from Islamic countries where those beliefs and practices are perfectly codified within their societies. So the only way to solve the problem in the way that you led with the question is to eradicate those ideas which regrettably, all of which were spawned on university campuses. I've been a professor for 32 years and I can tell you that every single parasitic idea that I discussed in my previous book, all of them stem from professors because it uniquely takes intellectuals and to come up with some of the most devastatingly imbecilic ideas.

[Buck Sexton]

You know something, we're speaking to God Saad and his latest book is Suicidal Empathy, which you should get a copy of, folks. God, you. I believe you write in the book. I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure you do because it goes right to your point here about the. I do not like this term grooming gangs. They are not grooming gangs. They are rape gangs. These were rape gangs of, of extremely underage girls in the United Kingdom, meaning, you know, 10, 11, 12, and as well as torturing the girls in many cases. And it was hundreds and hundreds of victims. I think it might have even gotten in the low thousands when they, when they tallied this all up and it was all Pakistani male, you know, immigrants into the UK who did this. And it was the same story throughout when parents of some of these girls went to the police and the police were like, well, I mean, we can't really get into this because it's going to look really badly for the Pakistani, you know, British population if it comes out that they're running rape gangs against little 10 year old girls. So we can't do anything here. What? That's horrific beyond words. But try to help me, help me understand this. The people of the uk, a lot of them are like, oh yeah, well the cops, you know, what they did there, I totally understandable. Because we can't have people thinking poorly of the latest immigrants from the Northwest Frontier Province who think that the age of consent is 10. You know, we can't do that. There are a lot of people who thought that this was from the police, a reasonable response, or at least an understandable response. I would have been like, I mean, you want to talk about a time to sort of, you know, march, march with the pitchforks and the torches in the uk they didn't do anything.

[Gad Saad]

I mean, imagine if in the, in your moral calculus, when it comes between choosing and protecting our children, or in protecting the rapists of our children, if they come from a particular religious heritage, everybody in that society says, oh, screw those children. I mean, literally, I side with the Islamic folks who are raping them. By the way, this happens across many other contexts. In the military, U.S. military, when they went to Afghanistan, there is a practice there, a pedophilic, a pederas practice of bachi bazi, where you, you know, all of the warlords get these young boys and use them as sexual toys. When some of the heroic US Military folks wanted to intervene, the upper up, the uppers said, hey, hey, hey, shut up. This is their practice. Look away. This is what happens when your mind is fully parasitized by these idea pathogens. It's grotesque. And if we don't wake up to it, it will bring the demise of our society. It may take 100 years, but we will get there. Gentlemen.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, are you optimistic? And we encourage everybody to go get your book. Read it. You've done fantastic work on this, I believe, Canadian, which is a country that's completely lost its mind. Are you optimistic that we're moving in the right direction? How do we move in the right direction?

[Gad Saad]

More so I'll answer it in two ways. And it's not because I'm trying to be, you know, coy and equivocate. I am very optimistic in that there is a blueprint for us to solve the problem. For example, the open door immigration policy. You can easily enact mechanisms now that autocorrect the problem. Here is why I am pessimistic, gentlemen. I see no evidence that the west is remotely interested in, you know, implementing those auto corrections. I mean, yes, Donald Trump comes in, he signs an executive order, and suddenly we get rid of the trans, you know, lunacy stuff. But then Donald Trump will eventually play out his. His term, and then we might have another maniac that comes to power with the same ideas. So it really has to be that these desperately dangerous, parasitic ideas are eradicated. And unfortunately, I don't see any evidence that the west wants to do this. They don't have the testicular fortitude. So in that sense, I'm pessimistic.

[Buck Sexton]

We got to get you on something better than ending on a pessimistic note about civilization here. I mean, don't you think? Don't you think, God, his book is Suicidal empathy. This is, by the way. You know, I'm not going to start Name, name calling, name checking my book here. But the same thing, when people ask me, how do you fix these things? I'm like, well, actually understanding the problem is the quintessential or the essential part of fixing the problem. Because when you can identify this stuff, it's don't do it. Don't go along with it. Call it out and fight against it. I mean, it's really rather straightforward. But in the case of this country, you know, we've even had the authority. Oh, no, I'm about to get negative against you. I'm trying to find a positive way. You know, we have the authorities.

[Clay Travis]

Let me give a positive.

[Buck Sexton]

I have a positive one. Hold on.

[Clay Travis]

I'm going to help you if you need a positive.

[Buck Sexton]

Settle down, Cotton. Optimism. I've got this. So in the case of, like, the Tennessee, you know, the Tennessee school shooter, the cops obviously hid the manifesto because all about the Tran Tifa trans craziest or whatever.

[Derek Dooley]

I think people.

[Buck Sexton]

My optimistic point is, I think people are actually beginning to get fed up with this at a critical mass where they're like, this will destroy our society. That's my most optimistic point. It has gotten so crazy even here that I think normal people are saying, we can't allow this stuff to continue without fighting back. That's my best optimistic point.

[Gad Saad]

Can I add. Can I end it on optimistic note?

[Buck Sexton]

Sure.

[Gad Saad]

I will soon be moving permanently to Ole Miss where I will hold the distinguished professorship. Hold on. In the. In the Declaration of Independence, center for the Study of American Freedom. So you need the Lebanese, Jewish, Canadian professor to come down to defend American values. So we do have some sane people in the United States. Thank you, Ole Miss, for having given me this opportunity. The SADs are coming to rescue you.

[Clay Travis]

Is that public yet? Or did you just break news because the Southeastern Conference saves America yet again.

[Gad Saad]

Well, forgive me for saying this, I already broke the news on Joe Rogan, but you're the second to hear.

[Buck Sexton]

That's not too bad, by the way.

[Clay Travis]

I know Buck was trying to give. That is a super positive. Let me ask you this as we finish the interview. Elon Musk. Here's a positive. This is where I was going to go. Buck has. I've seen him tweeting about your book. I do believe that him buying Twitter has potentially fundamentally altered the trajectory of the marketplace of ideas and true debate that we are getting. Is that true? Are your ideas able to reach more people since Elon bought Twitter than they were before?

[Gad Saad]

1,000%, as a matter of fact, immediately after. I mean, literally. Probably within a day of Elon purchasing Twitter, I made a sad truth clip where I said, of all the things that Elon has ever done or will ever do, nothing is as important as him giving us back the public square of ideas. For that alone, he deserves multiple Nobel Prizes. So you're spot on, Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

I agree with that. Suicidal empathy. Suicidal empathy. There we go, we go. High fives all around. Suicidal Empathy is the book. Go get a copy. God, the voice of God himself. Great to have you.

[Gad Saad]

Thank you guys. Cheers.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Derek Dooley]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Derek Dooley]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Derek Dooley]

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[Clay Travis]

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