Hour 3 - The Best of Clay and Buck

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (Best Of)

Episode Title: Hour 3 – The Best of Clay and Buck
Date: November 27, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This “Best Of” hour of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show highlights the duo’s trademark political commentary, humor, and cultural insight. The main themes include analysis of record-breaking stock market highs, speculation about the future of the GOP, sharp-tongued reactions to political feuds involving Donald Trump, AOC, and Jasmine Crockett, and deeper discussion on the left’s reaction to cultural figures like Riley Gaines. Listeners are also treated to lighter moments, including tales of extravagant weddings and football heartbreak.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Stock Market Highs and Economic Context

Timestamp: 03:15 – 06:50

• Clay Travis celebrates new all-time highs for the S&P 500, Dow Jones, and Nasdaq, emphasizing the positive economic news for investors.
  • “Chances are if you happen to go gander at your stock values, they have never been higher in your life.” (03:56)
• Reminds listeners that skepticism about Trump’s economic handling in April proved incorrect as markets have soared.
• Recognizes disconnect some feel between market highs and "on the ground" economic conditions, attributing lag to Biden’s prior administration.
• Explains that markets anticipate future economic conditions, suggesting optimism for continued improvement under Trump.

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2. Trump’s 2028 Prospects, GOP Unity, and Political Realism

Timestamp: 06:52 – 10:35

• Trump, speaking on Air Force One, muses on the possibility of running in 2028 and floats a JD Vance–Marco Rubio unity ticket:
  • “If they ever formed a group, it would be unstoppable. I really do. I believe that.” (06:58)
• Clay speculates about future GOP unity and Trump’s possible role as kingmaker rather than candidate:
  • “Let’s not have all the drama of this huge fight. Let’s just keep things rolling.” (08:01)
• Buck responds with caution, recalling how quickly unforeseen events (e.g., COVID) can upend politics:
  • “A lot can happen in two and a half years... This is the way we think the story should go. And that, to me means it’s unlikely that that is the way the story will play out.” (08:43)
• The duo humorously recounts Buck’s lockdown solitude in New York and contrast with looser restrictions in Clay’s Tennessee.
  • Buck: “New York turned into a prison camp with masking. It was insane.” (10:30)

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3. Trump vs. Jasmine Crockett and AOC: The “IQ Test” Challenge

Timestamp: 11:13 – 13:48

• Trump publicly questions the intelligence of Rep. Jasmine Crockett and AOC, challenging them to a cognitive test:
  • “They have Jasmine Crockett, a low IQ person. They have AOC, low IQ... The first couple of questions are easy. A tiger, an elephant, a giraffe...” (11:16)
• Clay and Buck dissect Trump’s comedic timing and the way critics misinterpret his humor.
  • Clay: “His comedic timing and the fact that people don't get his sense of humor...really, what they have is an inability to process tone and context.” (12:41)
• Jasmine Crockett’s rebuttal (from a press gaggle), accuses Trump of lacking merit and being obsessed with two women of color:
  • “This is someone who, but for him, being born with a silver spoon, probably wouldn’t got into anybody’s institution, unlike me.” (14:33)

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4. Competence and Communication in Congress

Timestamp: 14:48 – 15:49

• Clay criticizes the intellectual quality of Congressional representatives across the board:
  • “We are not represented...by the most accomplished and intellectually sound and great communicators out there.” (14:52)
• Buck agrees, lamenting the prevalence of buffoonery in government and hoping for systemic reform.

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5. Weddings, Family Budgets, and Millennial Housing

Timestamp: 19:52 – 23:33, 41:35 – 44:09

• Light-hearted but practical advice on wedding expenditures, featuring audience anecdotes and personal stories.
  • Clay recounts a listener whose father made daughters sign a contract to repay wedding costs if their marriages didn’t last five years.
• Buck and Clay propose practical budgeting: allocate parents’ money between a wedding and a house down payment.
  • Clay: “If you are fortunate enough to have resources to help with the down payment, make a smart, rational decision.” (22:03)
• They deride the idea of going into debt for weddings or rings, recommending a modest approach to both.

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6. Culture Wars: Riley Gaines, Transgender Sports, and Left-Wing Vitriol

Timestamp: 24:11 – 37:33

• Clay introduces the segment with recent attacks on Outkick’s Riley Gaines, an NCAA swimmer and voice for women’s sports, particularly from Jennifer Welch and AOC.
  • Clay: “[Jennifer Welch] is...an awful bitch and she is also representative of a particular type of...liberal white woman who is just nasty and awful.” (26:57)
• They dissect Welch’s expletive-filled diatribe targeting Riley Gaines:
  • Welch (clip): “You are wound up like a cheap clock over trans people...you will always have been the dumb [expletive] that tied for fifth place...” (27:20)
• Buck defends Riley, emphasizing her sporting accomplishments and the absurdity of discrediting her fifth-in-the-nation status as an NCAA swimmer.
  • “People who have actually competed at any level...greatly respect being the fifth best swimmer in the NCAA in the United States. That’s an incredible accomplishment.” (29:16)
• Discussion of the left’s increasing desperation and nastiness as they lose cultural influence, with particular reference to online commentary and attacks against conservative women.
  • Buck: “Because they're losing the argument and they're losing the culture...the nastiness and it is truly nasty.” (31:00)
• The conversation pivots to the broader trans issues in sports and society:
  • Buck: “There’s a very clear, passive aggressive, really a gaslighting that is at the heart of the whole trans agenda approach...they make it your problem.” (34:48)
• Clay notes that Riley’s effectiveness comes from her authenticity and athletic excellence, making her a relatable and unassailable advocate for women’s sports.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Clay Travis on market highs:

  • “If you happen to go gander at your stock values, they have never been higher in your life.” (03:56)

• Trump on future Republican unity:

  • “If they ever formed a group, it would be unstoppable. I really do. I believe that.” (06:58)

• Buck Sexton on political uncertainty:

  • “This is the way we think the story should go. And that, to me means it’s unlikely that that is the way the story will play out.” (08:43)

• Trump on cognitive tests, referencing AOC and Jasmine Crockett:

  • "A tiger, an elephant, a giraffe...when you get up to 10 and 20 and 25, they couldn’t come close to answering any of those questions.” (13:24)

• Jennifer Welch (attack on Riley Gaines):

  • "You are wound up like a cheap clock over trans people...you will always have been the dumb [expletive] that tied for fifth place..." (27:20)

• Buck Sexton defending Riley Gaines:

  • “People who have actually competed...greatly respect being the fifth best swimmer in the NCAA...That’s an incredible accomplishment.” (29:16)

• Clay on expectations around engagement rings and weddings:

  • “If the girl is going to be upset about the size of the ring, you need to run in the other direction.” (43:54)

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Segment-by-Segment Highlights with Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |:----------:|:------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:15-06:50| Stock market highs, economic optimism, and skepticism about media narratives | | 06:52-10:35| Trump on 2028, JD Vance and Marco Rubio as future GOP ticket, pandemic aftermath | | 11:13-13:48| Trump “cognitive test” jabs at Jasmine Crockett and AOC, Clay and Buck's reactions | | 14:48-15:49| Competence in Congress, public disappointment with politicians | | 19:52-23:33| Listener’s wedding contract story, advice on budgeting for weddings/housing | | 24:11-37:33| Attacks on Riley Gaines, discussion on culture wars, trans sports controversies | | 41:35-44:09| More wedding budgeting, prudence about wedding debt, personal anecdotes |

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Tone and Style

• Conversational and humorous: Even during sharp political critique, Clay and Buck keep the tone light with jokes and personal stories.
• Candid and direct: Especially when discussing political adversaries and hot-button cultural issues.
• Occasional irreverence: Particularly in Clay’s characterization of left-leaning personalities and their rhetoric.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This hour exemplifies Clay and Buck’s blend of hard-hitting political analysis, pop culture commentary, and relatable humor. Major takeaways include a celebration of the surging stock markets, speculation about Trump’s future in politics, ongoing jousting between Trump and progressive politicians, and a window into the increasingly caustic culture war surrounding transgender participation in sports, exemplified by support for Riley Gaines. The episode also contains charming asides on family budgeting and football. Listeners will come away entertained, informed, and aware of the current pulse on both politics and culture from Clay and Buck’s perspective.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Day for being a listener here on.

[Buck Sexton]

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.

[Clay Travis]

You're listening to the best of Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

Travis and Buck Sexton.

[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. A lot of positive things. I always try to make sure that I talk about the positivity as much as I possibly can. We are continuing to set new all time records. In fact, The S&P 500 new all time record as I am speaking to you, the Dow Jones Industrial Average new all time record as I am speaking to you and the Nasdaq new all time record as I am speaking with you, all time records. For those of you out there that own stock in any way, pensions, 401ks, individual stocks, chances are if you happen to go gander at your stock values, they have never been higher in your life. And I do just want to continue to point it out that in April you were told, oh my goodness, the stock market is collapsing. Donald Trump has no idea what he's doing with the economy. And the s and P500 is up 2000 points since then. If you had bought stock back in April, you're up around 40% now on those stock purchases. If, if you merely just held on to your existing stocks and just didn't even pay attention to any of it this year The S&P 500 is up right at 18% so far. You might say, okay, well, Clay, how does that contextualize? On average, on average, The S&P 500 is going to be up around 9% on average. Some years you might lose 20, some years you may make 20. But this year is a very good year so far for stocks and we are at record highs. So I understand also those of you out there who say, Clay, man, you don't know what you're talking about. The economy's not as good on the ground as you're saying. I, I get it. And I think a lot of that is still working through the disaster that was the Biden economy in general, the stock market runs 6 or 12 months in advance of the economic conditions you see on the ground and so all of this is very positive. Trump is trying to make the economic conditions better for all of us on the ground. And right now, he's in Asia. He is meeting with Japan. Saw this morning that he had a great reception in Japan. He is scheduled to be in South Korea. Buck, I don't know if you saw this. Some whispers that he might meet Kim Jong Un again. Remember how quickly the meeting with North Korea's reclusive dictator happened in the past? He's going to be in South Korea. Trump is. He's going to be meeting with Chinese Premier Xi. So there is some possibility, maybe there'll be additional aspects of that. As part of his travel on Air Force One, Trump has been answering questions quite a lot. And among those questions, let's play a couple of these cuts because I thought they were entertaining. And I want to make sure that we keep you updated with what the President is saying. Even as we are following the New York City's mayor race tomorrow, we will have Curtis Sliwa on the program. Uh, and even as we are following what's going on in New Jersey and Virginia, one week from today is the 2025 elections. Also coming up on the one year anniversary of Trump's record win in 2024. Uh, but Trump yesterday on Air Force One was asked about would he be running in 2028. This obsession. Uh, here is cut 21.

[Donald Trump]

We have great people. I don't have to get into that, but we have one of them standing right here. We have J.D. obviously, the Vice president is great. I think Marco is great. I think. I'm not sure if anybody would run against us. I think if they ever formed a group, it would be unstoppable. I really do. I believe that. I would, I would, I would love to do it. I have my best numbers ever. It's very terrible. I have my best numbers. If you read it, am I not ruling it out? You'll have to tell me.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so Trump talking again. The obsession. Trump 2028. I'm gonna be honest with you, Buck. I wish he could run again. I mean, I know he's 79, but he's not going to run. I wish he could. I do think the idea of a JD Marco ticket, unity from the start is starting to get some momentum. Do you buy the idea that that duo, Marco Rubio obviously has 768 different jobs inside of the Trump administration right now, primarily Secretary of State J.D. vance, VP. Do you buy the idea that those guys might just say, hey, let's keep the band Together and have a unity ticket. And we might not even see that much drama in 2028 that Trump might just say, hey, these are my guys. I'm not going to run. I'm 83 years old. But they have my complete and total endorsement. I could see a world where people just say, yeah, you know, I like this team. I like how things are going. You buy this. I mean, because I'm starting to think it's more and more of a possibility that they just say, hey, we're a unity ticket. We're Trump. 3.2.0, 3.0, however you want to say it. And let's not have all the drama of this huge fight. Let's just keep things rolling. What do you think? Is it too clean?

[Buck Sexton]

It all sounds great, and it would be phenomenal in so many ways. A lot can happen in two and a half years, my friend. You know, this is. This is the thing. This is the way we think the story should go. And that, to me means it's unlikely that that is the way the story will play out. That's how I view this. Yes, it should go this way. There is a pathway. But remember, I was. I was doing shows Clay in 2019, you know, I was doing. Doing the solo buck shows in 2019, where I was saying, guys, the country, things are great. Enjoy it. Trump's kicking ass, economy's phenomenal.

[Clay Travis]

We're at peace.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, things are great.

[Clay Travis]

And then, boom, few months later, you're doing TikTok video dances by yourself in your apartment in New York City.

[Buck Sexton]

We don't have. We don't have to go back to that trauma every time. You know, it was very difficult.

[Clay Travis]

I still want to see the TikTok dances.

[Buck Sexton]

My hair was getting longer and my waist was getting bigger every day of the COVID pandemic, and I'm doing these TikTok dances alone in my tiny apartment in New York, surrounded by lunatics who don't think you can go outside.

[Clay Travis]

I would have. I mean, this. I walked into your apartment, the first thing I said was, I was like, I would have gone insane. You know, we didn't really do Covid here in Franklin, Tennessee. Just basically like March and April and maybe a little bit of May, people were like, you know, a little bit. And then it was kind of over. And then every time I see people, you. Some of you guys still have a lot of post traumatic stress. You la. You New York, Chicago residents who really had to go through the chaos and the insanity.

[Buck Sexton]

La people, most. A lot of them had yards More than I weather.

[Clay Travis]

More so. But, I mean, Gavin Newsom was arresting paddleboarders. I mean, that's true. I mean, this was. They wouldn't even let him walk on the.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm just saying. New York turned into a prison camp with masking. It was insane.

[Clay Travis]

The only reason to live in New York City is to be able to experience the city. Anybody who has ever had to be cloistered in tiny little apartments that. I do think New York had it the worst of everybody. I would have lost my mind. I certainly wouldn't have been able to stay. Uh, Trump being Trump, by the way, in addition to saying, hey, JD And Marco could be an incredible team, he also decided to tee off on Jasmine Crockett, and he challenged them to a cognitive test. AOC we're going to talk about AOC coming after our friend Riley Gaines here in a moment. Uh, but Trump also challenged AOC and Jasmine Crockett to a cognitive test. And you'll want to hear this. Cut 22.

[Donald Trump]

All I can tell you is that we have a great group of people, which they don't. They have Jasmine Crockett, a low IQ person. They have AOC Low iq. You give her an IQ test, have her pass. Like, the exams that I decided to take when I was at Walter Reed, I took. Those are very hard. They're really aptitude tests, I guess, in a certain way, but they're cognitive tests. Let AOC Go against Trump. Let Jasmine go against Trump. I don't think Jasmine. The first couple of questions are easy. A tiger, an elephant, a giraffe. You know, when you get up to about 5 or 6, and then when you get up to 10 and 20 and 25, they couldn't come close to answering any of those questions.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, he is just so.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, what's. You know, what's really unfair is if Trump doesn't run again. And I think that he does just like to say that he's gonna run again because it upsets the libs so much. But if he doesn't run again, Clay, our jobs will never be as entertaining as they have been in the Trump era, because he makes. Do you guys even remember what it was like back in the days when, oh, everything Obama said was genius and perfect? It was boring and generally useless and often lies and wrong in the Bush era, whatever. You know, people just said stuff. You know, Clinton. I mean, well, Clinton stuff got a little spicy toward the end, as we know. But in general, we did not have a president who just says hilarious things all the time.

[Clay Travis]

Can we play the end of that clip? I mean, the part where. I mean, it's not scripted, right? Where he just talks about. I presume that they're showing you pictures of animals as a part of the cognition test, but just. Can we play like, the last 10 seconds of that again? Because I mean that his comedic timing and the fact that people don't get his sense of humor, I really. I feel like so many people who have Trump derangement syndrome, really, what they have is an inability to process tone and context. Because, I mean, how could you not laugh at this at the end of this answer? Maybe we don't have the ability to pull it back.

[Donald Trump]

They're really aptitude tests, I guess, at a certain point with their cognitive tests. Let AOC go against Trump. Let Jasmine go against Trump. I don't think. Jasmine. The first couple of questions are easy. A tiger, an elephant, a giraffe. You know, when you get up to about 5 or 6, and then when you get up to 10 and 20 and 25, they couldn't come close to answering any of those questions.

[Clay Travis]

All right, so Jasmine Crockett has fired back. Buck. Jasmine Crockett says, I got into college on my own. Trump didn't. This is Jasmine Crockett responding to Trump saying she has a low IQ. Cut 23.

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I'm waiting on a reporter, and maybe it'll be you, Caitlin, that finally asked him what is his iq? Because he is constantly talking about he doesn't even know what a low IQ is. He don't even know which scores are low. And I can guarantee you that whatever score, if he's taken one anytime recently, I'm sure that his qualifies as low. Listen, he's never been known to be an Einstein. This is not a guy who got in on merit when it came to going to college. This is someone who, but for him, being born with a silver spoon, probably wouldn't got into anybody's institution, unlike me. So, you know, I am not worried about that. And I wish people would look at the fact that you have a president of the United States who consistently is obsessing over two women of color than a members of the House.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so the whole women of color thing, is Jasmine Crockett, in your opinion, an elite intellect? Buck, I'll answer first. No. And it's not just Jasmine Crockett. I'm disappointed. I bet you are on some level, too. You know who's really disappointed by it is Laura Travis, my wife. There are a lot of people who represent us in Congress. And in the Senate that are not high intellect. That's not ideal. They're also not great communicators. That is really not ideal. Like we are not represented in general Republicans, Democrats, Independents, by the most accomplished and intellectually sound and great communicators out there. I think one thing that Trump diagnosed in politics was that he could have the success he had with no background in politics because there are a lot of lightweights that he is knocking out and pushing around candidly when it comes to arguments and it comes to the political direction of the country.

[Buck Sexton]

All true and this is why we continue to hope for reform of our government system. Yet we have people who are so often buffoons representing us in our government systems.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Edu Myoffer Judy on the podcast listening oh I got two funny comments Buck. One. A friend sent this through my wife. I'm listening to yesterday's show. Please tell Clay he's right on weddings. Also you Buck. My two sisters and I all three got married in less than two years. Three huge weddings my dad paid for. He's still about how much they cost to this day. Listen to this Buck. He actually made us sign a contract that if each of our marriages did not last at least five years, we had to pay him back for what the wedding cost. Completely true story. Valid how I this right?

[Buck Sexton]

No problem. No problem with that at all. No problem with that at all. You're going to you want all the bells and whistles if you're not going to make this a real union that goes to test that you know last the distance, you got to pay that money back.

[Clay Travis]

I am Team Dad. I've never heard of any dad that did this before, but he had three daughters, and he had to pay. Pay for all of them within two years. And dad just said, hey, if they don't last five years, you're on the hook to pay back for this.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't have a daughter. You don't have a daughter. But, you know, we're still trying, so maybe we'll get a daughter here over at. Over in Team Buckland. And I would just say this, Clay, if I was in that situation, you know, let's say 20 years down the line after having a. A baby girl, I would. I would take the. Let's sit down. I'll give you a budget.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And the budget is twofold. It's a wedding budget and a down payment on your house budget.

[Clay Travis]

Yep. Allocate the resources as you see fit. That's super smart.

[Buck Sexton]

You get to make the determination. But I think that that puts it very. You know, especially you get a lot of people, a lot of millennials priced out of expensive. Remember, they're priced out of expensive markets. People can live in the Tulsa suburbs in a nice place, no problem. But everybody that's complaining about this, the millennials, they want to live, you know, at the. It's like, you know, the Navy Yard in D.C. or they want to live in Beacon Hill in Boston. I don't know where. Where do fancy people in Boston live? I. I just don't want to say the Upper east side in Beverly Hills, because those are the only fancy neighborhoods that come.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look, in Nashville, there are tons of places you can live very affordably. All the kids want to live in the Gulch. They want to live in Music Row. They want to live in 12 South. Right. And you could live very cheaply in. In Galatin. Right. By and large, you could live very cheaply in lots of suburban areas. But I love your idea. Hey, let's sit down. Here is your budget. If you're fortunate enough to have resources to be able to help with the down payment on a home, make a smart, rational decision. But, dad, there was like, hey, if this don't go five. If this doesn't go five years, you're gonna have to pay me back. Judy is. Is weighing in a. A. Let's see what she had to say. So I've never actually called a talk show before, but I did just listen.

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[Clay Travis]

So I'm really sorry to say this, but Roll Tide.

[Buck Sexton]

Was she spiking the football right in your heart, Clay, what happened?

[Clay Travis]

She was. Now I got to watch some football. But I was saying that I spent six hours because my Alabama fan, son of all dropped his phone in the toilet and we had to go get the. Evidently, eventually we found out we had to replace the battery that was wired out or buzzed out or whatever it did. And so I unfortunately did watch Alabama beat Tennessee.

[Buck Sexton]

But, yes, we were in ancient Rome. They would say that this was an omen and that his dropping of the phone was like dropping the Vol's hopes on that day.

[Clay Travis]

I thought that that would actually be the case, except he is an Alabama fan. And so he both tormented me by having me spend six hours getting his phone fixed. And then as soon as the game was over, I picked him up where he had been hanging out with a bunch of his friends. And he said, roll Tide, Dad. Tennessee sucks. And I was like, dude, I spent six hours getting your phone repaired. Hey, I'm Clay Travis.

[Buck Sexton]

And I'm Buck Sexton. You know, we're thankful for this year, all of you.

[Clay Travis]

That's right. We have the best radio audience in the country, hands down.

[Buck Sexton]

Sending a big warm and happy Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck show.

[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I am in Chicago, by the way. I should mention why our awesome boss, Julie Talbot is being inducted into the Radio hall of Fame. And so I'm up here for that, Buck. Also, Colin Cowherd, good friend of mine. I think you've had him on. We've had him on the show at some point. His radio show, sports talk show is on pretty much the same time as our show, but he's also being inducted into the Radio hall of Fame up here in Chicago. All right, I wanted to play this because I think we pulled it over from yesterday. We had Riley Gaines on earlier this week. She is awesome. Congratulations. If you heard Riley on the show with us, she just had a baby a month ago. She works at Outkick. I gotten to know she and Louie, her husband. They are just fantastic people. Really salt of the earth, Just really good people. Louie, her husband's also a swimmer. Only thing bad I can say about Riley is that she went to the University of Kentucky instead of her home state, University of Tennessee. But nobody's perfect. And so Riley was talking about the fact that she got attacked by AOC Just out of nowhere, AOC decided that she was going to rip Riley and then this awful chick who evidently comes out of the Bravo world. And I mean, since she is being so incredibly nasty to Riley as you're going to hear her be, let me just tee off on this chick off the top. This her name is evidently Jennifer Welch and she is just an I'm going to try to think how to phrase this while still having FCC restrictions in play. Well, basically she's an awful bitch and she is also representative of a particular type of, I would say liberal white woman who is just nasty and awful. And I think this is the foundation now of the Democrat party. So unfortunately, she is representative of what I think the base of the Democrat party is like. And I'm going to play this for you because I just think it's important to understand Riley. All Riley has done is say, hey, men shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports. And she has said that because she actually swam against a man who won an NCAA title two years ago, this Leah Thomas character. So here is what Jennifer Welch said on her podcast. We've had to bleep it, but obviously it was not bleeped on her podcast. We do have FCC standards and so I want you to hear it and I want you to think if Riley was your daughter or your granddaughter, all she's done is say, hey, men have no place in women's athletics. This is how this awful bitch responded to her. Jennifer Welch, Riley Gaines.

[Jennifer Welch]

All you do is hate on people. You are wound up like a cheap clock over trans people. You show them no grace, no compassion. You defend billionaires. You cheer and celebrate when children are zip tied and then you have the audacity to get on television and try to lecture people who fight for the people that are suffering, that stand and put their arms around people that need sanctuary. And you try to act like you're better than they are. You're an insufferable Nobody likes you. And no matter what, you will always have been the dumb that tied for fifth place and the only place that you could get a job is at bottom feeder Fox News, you insufferable Nobody likes you except for the other fake Christians that enjoy in their spare time watching children get zip tied and then sit there and justify it while they read the Bible with their hideous crucifix crucifixes around their necks. So you, Riley Gaines.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, so, so Clay, it's horrendous this woman, the whole thing. But getting beyond all the name calling and the nastiness and everything he there I have Two things on this. One is, it goes without saying, but I'm going to say it. A lot of people think Riley Gaines is pretty amazing, actually.

[Clay Travis]

We employ her at Outkick, so I guess we are also like awful bottom feeders. But she's an amazing employee and an awesome person.

[Buck Sexton]

She's a lovely, she's a lovely human being. She's a mom, she's a wife. She is respected for her voice and what she's, what she's doing, which is standing up for women and women's sports all over America. But also broader social commentary. People who have actually competed at any level of physical endeavor, which I'm sure this, this woman who only think she's competing in is the Botox Olympics. I, I think they all greatly respect being the fifth best swimmer in the NCAA in the United States.

[Clay Travis]

That's an incredible accomplishment.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, I mean, imagine being silver medalist at the Olympics.

[Clay Travis]

What a loser.

[Buck Sexton]

Like, that's basically the same mentality that.

[Clay Travis]

We'Re talking about here.

[Buck Sexton]

No, if you're the civil silver medalist at the Olympics is not a loser. Unless you're such a loser that you have no idea what it is to be good at anything and to work hard at something. Also, respectfully, Riley, popular with heterosexual men across America. Married woman, young baby. But I'm just saying, a lot of people like Riley. So this notion that no one likes Riley Gaines, this is the something, this is bitterness and nastiness from a woman. But beyond that, beyond that, she, unfortunately, Clay, this Welch, this Welch person is growing in popularity very quickly. Yeah. Because she is. This is why it matters. This is why you're playing this clip. This is why all of a sudden we're taking the time. Because they're losing the, the angry, you know, Xanax and wine swilling left wing coastal boss babe wannabe lib, no kings protest attending white women of America are very sad right now, and they're very sad in general. And they're looking for people to blame because they're losing the argument and they're losing the culture and so the nastiness and it is truly nasty. And you and I would, you know, we'd never speak about anybody in the world of commentary. The way that she's speaking about Riley, you know, even on the other side, it's just, just lines being crossed. But she's popular, Clay, because this is tapping into the zeitgeist of these democrat white women in America right now. And that's why it's concerning. Because they're getting increasingly desperate, increasingly Pathetic and increasingly vicious.

[Clay Travis]

You would want Riley to be your daughter or your granddaughter. I will just say that. And I think that's one reason she connects so well, not only with people who were Fox News viewers, which would tend to be older people in general, but also why she's so popular on social media, why we hired her at Outkick, and why she has continued to connect so well with the Turning Point crowd, with the college campus crowd. I mean, she just graduated herself a couple of years ago. She's still, I think, like 24, 25 years old right now. But I think what you hit on, I want people to hear the kind of awfulness that is out there and then listen to what she said. The same person. And to Buck's point, she is becoming very popular. Here's. Listen to what she said about. I just.

[Buck Sexton]

I just wanted to. Just really quick. I just wanted to. You know, that's. She's not like some angry commenter person that no one. She. She's actually rocketing up and she's making.

[Clay Travis]

A good living by saying the things that we played for you. And here's another. Yeah, she's going after Charlie Kirk and she's saying, we need to have more celebration of Charlie Kirk's death.

[Jennifer Welch]

Cut 11 kudos to Bernie, to AOC, to Zoron, and that woman out in somewhere middle America saying, charlie Kirk, he was a racist. He was a piece of shit. There are so many more of us than there are of them. And these Democrats that continue to play patty cake with corporations and lobbyists, nobody wants that. Nobody wants you. We want politicians to speak freely. And look at what the benefit is. Look at what is happening in New York. And you, dip, are sitting on the sidelines, running your social media like complete dorks. It's embarrassing. Get your together, Hakeem and Chuck, seriously, get your together. Because the Democratic Party is moving on.

[Clay Travis]

So she goes on, and there are a bunch of those takes. They're losing the culture. And what happens when you lose the culture is you start to get increasingly desperate and you start to take bigger swings. And I thought it was very strange that aoc, out of nowhere came after Riley Gaines, now this chicken, in a really kind of awful way, which is not dissimilar to the way that Simone Biles stepped into this. There's a calculated attempt to come after Riley because she is speaking to normal moms and normal daughters and granddaughters out there that are looking around and saying, this culture's failing us. And remember, and I'll say this before, but I met Riley and I said a long time ago when I first met her, because she was starting to speak out. And I saw her online and one of our first conversations, she said, yeah, I was going to go to dental school. She was all set up to go to dental school out of the University of Kentucky until she swam against a man. And everybody else just seemed completely willing to accept it. They were just going to pretend like it was totally normal for a man to put on a women's bathing suit, spend time in the women's locker room and win. Win an NCAA women's championship and not speak out about it at all. And so she just said, I can't keep my mouth shut on this. And that's the reason she's not a dentist. So she didn't choose this bucket, chose her.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is what, this is. What is actually so emblematic of the trans issue overall on all these matters is they make it your problem. Whether it's about bathroom usage or sports teams or, you know, preferred pronouns or whatever, they make demands of you. And then when you say, hold on a second, I don't agree with that. You're asking me to be party to a lie or party to something that is unfair. They say, why are you making such a big deal of this? Why are you causing this issue? You know, there's a very clear, passive aggressive, really a gaslighting that is at the heart of the whole trans agenda approach. It really started out with just be courteous, just be kind. You, me, all of you, you all want to be courteous and kind. And of course, we always say to you, you treat a trans person with dignity. You treat a trans person like the human being they are. You're kind to them, you're respectful to them. They're people like we're people. Some of them are in need of substantial help, you know, mental health assistance. And by the way, that's nothing to be ashamed of. That's something that people should get help for. The same way if you had a physical health issue that you needed to get assistance for. But that's different, Clay, than saying a 6 foot 2 guy should be spiking the volleyball in the face of a girl who weighs 120 pounds, who's actually a girl, that's a different thing.

[Clay Travis]

The reason why Riley is so effective is what you just said, because people will say, I don't know why you care about this. They'll say that to you, they'll say that to me. And you say, well, okay, you don't think that I should care about basic competition standards. I mean, that's an argument you can make. Riley, you can't say that to and notice what they try to attack her by saying, oh, you came in fifth. They never acknowledged that Leah Thomas came in first, that that man won a women's championship. They always go to Riley came in fifth. Like he swam a bunch of different events. He won one of them comfortably. He's the NCAA women's champion. But they always go to Attacking Riley, to your point, is also a sign that you know nothing about sports. You're the fifth best swimmer in college. That's pretty fricking impressive. How many people listening to us right now, myself included, have ever been the fifth best in the nation at anything? So the idea that you would attack somebody who is one of the best at what they pursue is just laughably absurd. But that's where they are and it's nasty and it's toxic and it's going to be happening more. And I think we need to play it for you because you need to understand how desperate they are becoming as the culture is moving against them and the reason they're attacking Riley is because she's having such strong impact.

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[Clay Travis]

When my two daughters got married, when they were planning their wedding, my wife and I sat down with them and.

[Buck Sexton]

Our potential son in law and negotiated.

[Clay Travis]

A fair a nice but fair wedding cost. And when we got done, I said.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay you're going to get half the money up front. You get the other half on your.

[Clay Travis]

Wedding day and anything that's left over you can keep. Boy, did they change their tune and.

[Buck Sexton]

Start cutting back on costs.

[Clay Travis]

And they kept the balance for. I love this, I love this advice. I mean if you got rational kids that are getting married out there, if you're the kid that is listening to us right now, who is going to get married one day, Financial issues going to sound like an old man now. Often Jerrell marriages more than almost anything. Right. Couples fight over money. There's very strong chance that you and your spouse may have different standards of expenses or understanding of how money should be allocated. And so starting off with something that is a common goal, being able to build a home and not starting off in debt, my goodness. I just. The choices that people make. Can you imagine Buck getting married and owing 50k to help pay off your wedding? I would. Not worth it.

[Buck Sexton]

Guys, we're here, we're here to help you out with this. Not worth it. You'd have a night. My, my actual wedding, we had 25 people. Yeah, my actual wedding, we had 25 people.

[Clay Travis]

Basic.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that was the number. Carrie might correct me, she would know better than me. It was something like that and we loved it. It was perfect and everyone had a great time. So you know, it was in the church, it was our families and that was it. And that was all we needed now.

[Clay Travis]

We threw a big party.

[Buck Sexton]

But when you're just throwing a party without all the wedding stuff, you know, Clay, you came to that. Yeah, that's. We had 180 people at a party but the expense wasn't that much because it was a three hour party.

[Clay Travis]

That's right.

[Buck Sexton]

It's not. The thing with weddings is you get into all this other stuff and it gets all.

[Clay Travis]

They play up on everybody's insecurity by saying, well, you could choose not to do this, but most people do, you know. And look, if you are fortunate enough to have the money as a dad or mom and you want to throw a big party, that's fine. You can spend money however you want it. Exactly.

[Buck Sexton]

Anyone who has the money to burn, we're not telling you what to do with that. I'm just saying it's not worth it to go and it do to debt, which people do, which is bonkers. It's like going into debt for a vacation. How do you enjoy your vacation when you're running up a $20,000 credit card debt on it? It's nuts.

[Clay Travis]

It's nuts. And again, I would echo what Buck said. If the girl is going to be upset about the size of the ring, you need to run in the other direction.

[Buck Sexton]

Not going to get, it's not going to get better, guys. It's not going to get better.

[Clay Travis]

And by the way, maybe you end up having success in life wife and you want to give your wife a bigger ring somewhere down as a testament to the success you've had together. I think that's a cool idea.

[Buck Sexton]

But I have a deal with Carrie because, you know, she, she quit her job to take care of Speed and to, you know, run the household. I can get her gifts and things for Christmas. Like, you know, things like we're the little jewelry and stuff like that. But she's like, well, if I get you a gift, isn't it just with your money? And I'm like, yes. That's why. Don't do it. Just keep being a great wife. And I mean it. You know, don't. Don't get me a Rolex. I don't need a Rolex. I don't even want to wear a fancy watch. I'm fine.

[Clay Travis]

I only shop at Costco, so I don't even know what I'd want.

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