Hour 3 - The Cringe Scale

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Episode: Hour 3 - The Cringe Scale
Release Date: April 28, 2025

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Introduction to "The Cringe Scale"

In this engaging third hour of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into what they term "Crazy Town," a segment dedicated to unpacking some of the most bewildering and cringe-worthy moments from recent news and cultural happenings over the weekend. They focus on three main stories that epitomize the "cringe" factor in public discourse and media.

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1. Joy Reid's Controversial Comments on Diversity and the Roman Empire

Timestamp: [02:30 - 05:00]

Clay opens the discussion by spotlighting Joy Reid, a prominent media figure who has transitioned from traditional television to the more competitive and challenging landscape of the internet. Travis expresses skepticism about Reid's grasp of historical contexts, particularly referencing her recent statement:

Joy Reid (as cited by Clay Travis): "The Roman Empire died because it wasn't diverse enough. If America sticks with white people, the country is going to collapse."
Timestamp: [04:06]

Clay and Buck critique Reid's assertion, questioning her understanding of ancient histories and suggesting that her arguments lack depth. They mockingly speculate on Reid's knowledge of Roman rulers, believing she could only mention figures like Julius Caesar and Caligula, highlighting the perceived superficiality of her commentary.

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2. 60 Minutes Producer Resignation Over Content Supervision

Timestamp: [05:00 - 06:40]

The conversation shifts to internal turmoil within the esteemed news program 60 Minutes. Clay brings attention to the recent resignation of a veteran producer, Cut 19, amidst allegations that Paramount, the parent company, is exerting excessive control over content. Buck Sexton reads the resignation statement, which underscores the producer's concern over losing journalistic independence due to Paramount's impending merger requiring Trump administration approval.

60 Minutes Producer Resignation Statement:
"Bill made sure our stories were accurate and fair... Paramount is trying to complete a merger... Bill felt he lost the independence that honest journalism requires."
Timestamp: [05:55]

Travis and Buck lament the decline in journalistic integrity, emphasizing the importance of maintaining editorial freedom. They express disappointment that even a storied program like 60 Minutes is not immune to corporate overreach, thus rating this as a significant cringe-worthy development in media.

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3. Bill Belichick's 24-Year-Old Girlfriend Sparks Debate

Timestamp: [06:40 - 10:58]

The third cringe-inducing story revolves around Bill Belichick, the legendary head coach of the New England Patriots, and his relationship with a 24-year-old girlfriend. Clay describes an interview where Belichick's girlfriend interrupting to discuss their meeting raises eyebrows due to the substantial age difference—Belichick being 72 years old.

Belichick's Girlfriend (as depicted by Clay Travis): Interrupts the interview before answering questions about their meeting.
Timestamp: [07:46]

Buck and Clay navigate this topic with a mix of humor and critique, debating the societal perceptions of significant age gaps in relationships. They discuss listener opinions on acceptable age differences, with clips from Buck's side of the conversation illustrating discomfort with large age gaps. The hosts explore the implications of such relationships, questioning long-term viability and societal norms.

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Ranking on the "Cringe Scale"

Timestamp: [08:48 - 09:09]

After dissecting each story, Clay and Buck engage in a lighthearted ranking of the three "cringe" moments:

1. Belichick's Girlfriend: Rated as the most cringeworthy due to the conspicuous age gap and the awkwardness it introduces in a professional interview setting.
2. Joy Reid's Comments: Placed in the middle, criticized for perceived historical inaccuracies and superficial analysis.
3. 60 Minutes Resignation: Considered less cringeworthy and more a lamentable sign of media decline, though still significant.

Buck Sexton: "Bill Belichick thing is even cringier than Joy Reid on the Roman Empire."
Timestamp: [09:04]

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Listener Calls: Extreme Age-Gap Marriages

Timestamp: [26:05 - 40:58]

Shifting from public figures to personal anecdotes, Clay and Buck invite listeners to share their own experiences with significant age differences in marriages. The segment garners a variety of calls, highlighting marriages with age gaps ranging from 31 to 37 years.

a. Becky’s 31.5-Year Age Gap Marriage

Timestamp: [23:26 - 25:04]

Becky shares her story of being married to an 84-year-old husband, celebrating nearly 27 years of marriage. She candidly discusses their meeting, having worked together as an X-ray technologist and a radiologist, respectively.

Becky: "We have been married almost 27 years and we are 31 and a half years apart in age, and it's great."
Timestamp: [23:35]

b. Walter’s 37-Year Age Gap Marriage

Timestamp: [34:09 - 36:04]

Walter, aged 69, speaks about his marriage to a 32-year-old wife. He humorously credits advice from household help for seeking a partner from the Philippines and underscores his belief that the limit for age gaps should be based on mutual ability to handle marital issues, especially regarding children.

Walter: "She was actually just turned 24 and I'm 72... I have five children that are all older than her."
Timestamp: [34:10]

c. Craig’s 34-Year Age Gap Marriage

Timestamp: [36:52 - 37:43]

Craig, at 70, discusses his relationship with a 34-year-old wife he met when she was his student. They subtly touch upon the societal challenges they face, particularly in family acceptance.

Craig: "He's 34 and a half years older... He was a professor and I was one of his students."
Timestamp: [37:03]

d. Melanie’s 32-Year Age Gap Marriage

Timestamp: [37:55 - 39:42]

Melanie offers a heartfelt account of her 32-year age gap marriage to a man who served 24 years in the Air Force. Despite familial disapproval, she emphasizes the profound love and mutual respect that have sustained their relationship over two decades.

Melanie: "He was so kind and treated my two children like they were his own... we are 31 years apart in age and it's great."
Timestamp: [38:24]

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Discussion on Societal Perceptions of Age-Gap Relationships

Timestamp: [14:04 - 16:38]

Clay and Buck delve into the societal judgments surrounding age-gap relationships. They discuss the thin line between personal freedom and societal norms, debating where to draw the line regarding acceptable age differences. The hosts express that while smaller age gaps (within 10 years) are commonplace and socially accepted, gaps exceeding 30 years face significant scrutiny and discomfort.

Buck Sexton: "Any gender difference within 10 years is pretty standard operating procedure. But 50 years... it's pretty weird."
Timestamp: [15:15]

They also explore the emotional and practical challenges such relationships might face, including generational differences, power imbalances, and long-term sustainability.

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NFL Draft Controversy: Shador Sanders and Accusations of Racism

Timestamp: [26:05 - 32:18]

A notable portion of the episode addresses the NFL draft, specifically focusing on quarterback Shador Sanders. Despite being a top-rated quarterback, Sanders was passed over by all 32 teams four times. The hosts and Buck Sexton discuss the ensuing media narrative attributing his non-selection to racism, despite conflicting indicators such as the NFL's significant Black representation and the presence of Black quarterbacks in other top draft picks.

Clay Travis: "They hate to see confidence. You black and you confident."
Timestamp: [27:56]

Clips from various commentators, including Stephen A. Smith and other sports personalities, are mentioned, illustrating the divided opinions on whether racial bias played a role in Sanders' draft status.

Stephen A. Smith: “The only explanation... is racism.”
Timestamp: [29:05]

Travis and Buck express skepticism towards the racism claims, arguing that the NFL's demographics and Sanders' performance metrics do not support such accusations.

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Closing Remarks and Lighthearted Banter

Timestamp: [45:11 - 50:19]

As the episode wraps up, Clay and Buck engage in humorous discussions about yard sales and household chaos post-weekend festivities. They reflect on personal anecdotes, such as Clay’s frustration with the annual yard sale at his house and the unexpected sale of his wife’s autographed book, showcasing their dynamic chemistry and ability to intersperse serious discussions with levity.

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Key Quotes with Attribution and Timestamps

• Joy Reid’s Statement:
  "The Roman Empire died because it wasn't diverse enough. If America sticks with white people, the country is going to collapse."
  [04:06]

• 60 Minutes Producer Resignation:
  "Bill felt he lost the independence that honest journalism requires."
  [05:55]

• Buck Sexton on Age-Gap Marriage:
  "I'll give someone 25 or 30 years in an age gap. And I don't think that that's anybody's business."
  [10:24]

• Belichick's Girlfriend’s Interruption:
  "Jordan was a constant presence during our interview. You have Jordan right over there."
  [07:47]

• Becky on Her Marriage:
  "We have been married almost 27 years and we are 31 and a half years apart in age, and it's great."
  [23:35]

• Melanie on Her Marriage:
  "We are 31 years apart in age and it's great."
  [38:24]

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Conclusion

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton effectively blend sharp commentary with audience interaction, exploring deeply personal and public cringe-worthy moments. From high-profile media controversies and questionable public statements to intimate listener stories about unconventional marriages, the hosts provide thoughtful, often humorous insights that encourage listeners to reflect on societal norms and personal choices.

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[Clay Travis]

Today welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Every time we come back after a weekend there are all sorts of craziness that pile up because we basically have 48 hours of. Of wackiness. There's lots of shows on the weekend, and there are always a couple of things that I see. And I just think, I can't believe that this is real. And I want to hit you with two different aspects of Crazy Town. First, Buck, I don't know if you saw this, but Joy Reid, who has sort of joined Don Lemon in going off into the wilderness, and nobody is really kind of paying attention to her. And she and Keith Olberman and Don Lemon all used to have prominent television shows, and then they went to the Internet. And what they've had to learn is the Internet's way more competitive, and it's way harder to get attention on the Internet than it is when you have one of three news channel shows. And so there aren't that many people competing with you. And so. Did you see this? Joy Reid said the Roman Empire died because it wasn't diverse enough. And if America sticks with white people, the country is going to collapse. This is Cut nine. This was what the dumbest person who used to have a television show is saying now that she's on the Internet by herself without a staff. Cut nine.

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Each community on Earth, if you take.

[Clay Travis]

That away and try to distill us.

[Caller]

Just down to white folks, we'll be.

[Commercial Voice]

Like Europe, an aging, slowly dying former empire. The Roman Empire didn't survive because it.

[Lisa Booth]

Didn'T have enough strength in its diversity.

[Clay Travis]

It suppressed its diversity, and it died.

[Commercial Voice]

If the US Wants to be the Roman Empire, keep voting the way you voting, y'all.

[Clay Travis]

I. Buck, do you think that Joy. Joy Reid, or when you think Joy Reid, do you think knowledgeable of ancient histories and civilization?

[Producer]

I was about to say, I don't think that she could name three rulers of Rome for the entirety of. Off the top of her head. She would get Julius Caesar. I think she would. I think that would be. I think she'd tap out after that. She'd be like Julius Caesar. And then. And then, you know, maybe she would squeak out Augustus. That would be it.

[Clay Travis]

I think Caligula, because he's just Nero or Caligula.

[Producer]

All right, maybe she would get to three. That. But I'm telling you, it would.

[Clay Travis]

It would get.

[Producer]

It would get very shaky very fast.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so that is cut one of crazy. I've actually got three cuts of crazy for you, Buck. 60 Minutes. Did you see this? 60 Minutes ended its broadcast on Sunday by saying that their veteran producer left because Paramount is supervising content too aggressively. And remember, there's a lawsuit currently pending Against CBS News and 60 Minutes. This was cut 19. In case you missed it. This was a direct shot at the company that owns the show that the Network airs this 60 minute show. This was cut 19. Scott Pelley.

[Buck Sexton]

Bill resigned Tuesday. It was hard on him and hard on us, but he did it for us and you. Stories we pursued for 57 years are often controversial lately. The Israel gossip war and the Trump administration. Bill made sure they were accurate and fair. He was tough that way. But our parent company Paramount is trying to complete a merger. The Trump administration must approve it. Paramount began to supervise our content in new ways. None of our stories has been blocked. But Bill felt he lost the independence that honest journalism requires. No one here is happy about it. But in resigning, Bill proved one thing. He was the right person to lead 60 minutes all along.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, then one more and I'm going to let you rank on the crazy town scale. I know you saw this too, Buck. Bill Belichick did an interview with CBS News as well. And he was asked a question about where he met his 24 year old girlfriend. I'm not sure how good this audio is going to sound, but Bill Belichick is 72 years old. He has got a 24 year old girlfriend. He is the head coach. Belichick is right now of the University of North Carolina Tar Heels. So imagine, I know we got a big audience in North Carolina. He's in a navy sweatshirt. I believe his dad was the coach at Navy. I bet the sweatshirt is older than his girlfriend. And this is what it sounded like when the reporter asked where they met from. From off camera, Bill Belichick's girlfriend decides to interrupt. This is cut 15. The other change for Belichick is 24 year old Jordan Hudson, his creative muse. As he writes in his book, make.

[Lisa Booth]

Sure that that's the philosophy.

[Clay Travis]

Jordan was a constant presence during our interview. You have Jordan right over there. Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship. They've got an opinion about your private life. It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it. How do you deal with that?

[Producer]

Never been too worried about what everybody else thinks. Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right.

[Clay Travis]

How did you guys meet?

[Caller]

Not talking about this?

[Clay Travis]

No, no. It's a topic neither one of them.

[Producer]

Is comfortable commenting on.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so 24 year old girlfriend just jumps right into the interview. Okay, so you got Joy Reid on the Roman Empire. Buck, you've got CBS 60 Minutes. And then you have the, the Belichick girlfriend. On the scale of crazy cringe, how would you assess the trio of interviews or commentary there? Because I got my ranking on crazy cringe. How would you. What is the craziest, cringiest of those three?

[Producer]

I'm going to get Joy Reid the Bill Belichick.

[Clay Travis]

What was the other one, 60 Minutes saying? Like, hey, our guy resigned because we no longer have the freedom to do a show.

[Producer]

That's a gimme. That's pretty, pretty standard for 60 minutes stuff. I would say for me, the Bill.

[Clay Travis]

Belichick thing is even cringier than Joy Reid on the Roman Empire.

[Producer]

You know, I will say this. I think that people, I've noticed this more that there are people that have started to try to police age gap among consenting adults in a way that I think is weird and kind of. And pretty annoying. You know, people say, oh, well, you know, he's 15 years older than her. It's like, yeah, you know, she's 30, he's 45, or he's 50 and she's, you know, or he, she's, you know, 50 and he's 15 years younger. 15 years old or whatever it may be. But, but I mean, it's, you know, maybe that's not your thing, but people try to make it seem like there's something wrong with that. Yeah, I think that's really, that's obtuse. Like, there's nothing wrong with it. Like, you may not agree with it, you may not want that in your own life, you may not want that for your daughter or your son. Whatever, that's fine. But there's nothing, you know, people try to act like there's a power imbalance that, like, the law should get involved almost. Right. You start to see this, this creeping, oh, well, he's 50 and she's 25, so they shouldn't be able. No, like I will say with the Belichick thing, I don't think that, you know, it's fine. It's legal. Consenting adults is pretty weird. Like, there is a limit is what I'm trying to get to here. Like, I have a very wide. I think you get, you know, you.

[Clay Travis]

Get, you're willing to give 25, 30 years.

[Producer]

I'll give someone 25 or 30 years in an age gap. Again, consenting adults, obviously, I'll give somebody 25 or 30 years in an age gap. And I don't think that that's anybody's business. But the, but 50 years. 50 years, Clay. That's pretty, that's, that's Pretty. Wow. I got to tell you, I do.

[Clay Travis]

Not have a daughter.

[Producer]

That would be me or you marrying or not marrying, whatever, dating somebody who will be born in the next five to 10 years.

[Clay Travis]

Born. Very funny. It's very funny. It's very funny. It's like that Saturday One great skit they did for Saturday Night Live. Do you remember this buck? Was meet your second wife. And like all the guys are standing there and the girls are walking out and like the girl is like six years old. It's like the guy's like 40 and there. And then like this woman walks out and, and I think it's the, the character standing there waiting and he's like, oh, the girl's like, I don't know, 25 or 30. He's like, hey, that's not so bad. And, and then the woman says she's pregnant. It's like, so that is a really funny skit that Saturday Night Live did a few years ago. I am glad that I've got three boys. You now have a son. If I had a daughter and she brought home a man that she was dating that was older than me, I would lose it. I just as much as you might focus on the girl being like 50 years younger and that's weird that she's interrupting the interview and all these things. Imagine what it's like at Thanksgiving when you open the door and legendary super bowl winning head coach Bill Belichick, who probably is a decade or 15 years older than you, is dating your baby girl. I think it would be really hard to have Thanksgiving dinner. I, I just, and I don't understand where this relationship goes. Cause to your point, if they were, let's say it's true love. Okay. Let's say that she is head over heels in love with 74 year old bill Belichick.

[Producer]

We're giving, we're giving a lot of, a lot of leeway here, but go ahead.

[Clay Travis]

I am, I am saying Cupid's arrow has struck her in the heart and she cannot, cannot find another man that she loves more. 74 year old bill Belichick. In a decade, Belichick is going to be 84 and she's going to be 34. Basically, where does this math make sense going forward? Right? Like eight. Most men don't live to be 84. Where does this go? Right? Like, I don't really understand that. It's a simple math equation that I find it hard to even on your point, like 50 year old, 25 year old. Okay. They're probably not going to have a 50 year marriage, right. Unlikely. He's going to live to be 100 and she's going to be 75, at which point, you know, whatever, good for them. But you could still be married 25 or 30 years, which is a long time. And in 25 or 30 years you could have a pretty good life for each with each other.

[Producer]

Well, I mean, also 50 year old, this is a whole thing. And I think a lot of you listening are living this and know this already without us saying it. But people in their 50s and 60s today are active, healthy and able to enjoy their lives much more frequently, you know, at that level than you. You know, they look like people who were 30 or 40 not too long ago. I mean, the point on this and everything has changed a lot is just.

[Clay Travis]

That we're being very generous and saying 25 or 30 years. Like, you may not like it, but we're at least saying, okay, at some point your eyebrows raise. I'm not sure where the number is. 50 is 1.

[Producer]

This is what I was getting at, is that I'll give it 25 or 30. It's like, you know, hey, you know, true love.

[Clay Travis]

A lot of people would rip us for saying we're giving you 25 or 30. I think we're being super kind.

[Producer]

It wouldn't be my choice. Okay. Like, I would not have gone that route. I think that having somebody who is in a similar stage of life to you, you know, I think my personal belief, not really. I think anything within 10 years is sort of standard operating. At least in New York City it is standard operating procedure. So most guys who get married that I know are, let's say, 35 and their wives are 28, 29, 30. You know, I mean, like that, that's the, that's the standard there. You, the guy's usually a little bit older. You're actually, you're younger than your wife. Right. Which is unusual among friends of mine. I don't know if I know anybody else. I actually, my friend Eric, who you met, Eric Win the watch guy. I think his wife is a year or two older than him. But, you know, generally speaking, you know, within five, my wife is two years.

[Clay Travis]

Older than me and looks 20 years younger. Did I tell you this, Buck? When we were at a football game with my kids at the Tennessee Alabama game, my wife went to the bathroom and the woman behind me said, your daughter is lovely, nice. Which I told Laura and I would like maybe be a little bit nervous. She's actually two years older than me. Living so Much better than me that she looks 20 years younger that that woman because I had my kids, our sons. That the woman behind me who was probably, I don't know, 15 years older than me, said, your daughter looks lovely. So my wife, who is older than me and has birthed three sons including one who is 17, the lady behind me thought that she was like a college age girl going to the bathroom. By the way, producer Ali, eight years older than Gerard. So on the show, there you go.

[Producer]

I'm just saying I think, and I know this is maybe different in different, you know, cultural enclaves of the country. I think anything within 10 years is totally standard operating procedure. Like that doesn't even, I think, you know, you get up to 20 years plus age difference. Okay, you know, it's again not my thing. But like, you know, true love is blind, right? Like people do their thing. 50 years is weird is what we're drawing. This is where we're drawing the line. 50 year age difference. It's again, it's legal, it's lawful, that's fine, but it's, it's weird. There's something weird going on.

[Clay Travis]

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[Producer]

Yes, the beehive has been. I don't even think the beehives been kicked. We've just sort of let the beehive buzz because we talked about something that people feel passionately about. Age differences between married couples and Becky in North Carolina. Becky, I am told by our team that you have celebrated 27 years of marriage with a husband with whom you have a 31 year age gap. Congratulations. How's it all Going, what do you think?

[Caller]

Hi. It's great. And actually we're, we're not at 27 yet. We're, we're coming up on the 27th anniversary.

[Producer]

Okay.

[Caller]

We were married in 1998. I was 26. My husband, and actually I took him last month for his birthday on a cruise and he just turned. In March. He just turned 84. And I'm 52. And we have, God gave them to us. We have birthed. I birthed our two sons. One's 23. One's 20. And my husband was 60 when our firstborn was son and 63 when the second one was born. And so, yeah, we've been married almost 27 years and we are 31 and a half years apart in age, and it's Great.

[Clay Travis]

All right, 31 and a half years apart in age. What would be a number to you that you would look at and say that's too big of an age gap?

[Caller]

32.

[Producer]

Okay, I like the answer. I like the answer.

[Clay Travis]

This is actually a really funny. How did you meet?

[Caller]

Well, we met actually. I was 19. We didn't get married till I was 26. We met. I was an X ray student and I was rotating through the hospital where he's a physician. He was a radiologist. That's what he did.

[Producer]

Doctor, nurse. Doctor, nurse. Situation. Very nice.

[Caller]

No, no, no, no, I wasn't a nurse. I was an X ray technologist. I took, I took the X rays and he read.

[Producer]

I mean, yeah.

[Caller]

And so after, after a number of years, we became friends right off. And after a number of years, I realized, well, he's making like 15 times my salary. I better marry him and get in on this money.

[Producer]

No, Becky is a shrewd, a shrewd lady. Congrats on all your happ, Becky. Appreciate you calling in. We'll take. If anyone has more than 30 years of an age gap, I want them to call in because 30. Right now, 31 is the, is the current reigning champ of our audience. When you think of Israel, you think of its history, you think of innovation and its ability to defend itself. You don't think that everyone knows where the nearest bomb shelter is or has a plan to stay in contact with loved ones in the event of a missile attack. It is still anything but normal over there. And they need their friends and allies around the world to stand with Israel. That's why we partner with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews to help provide life saving aid and security essentials. Your urgently needed gift today will go toward bomb shelters, black jackets, bulletproof vests, armored security vehicles, ambulances and more. Your gift will also help feed the elderly who are cut off from resources. Please call to make your gift today to the IFCJ 888-488-4325. That's 888-488 IFCJ or go to supportifcj.org.

[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Bucks Sexton Joe I feel like year after Buck asked what was the 31 years Becky was younger than her husband? They now have 32.

[Producer]

Do we have 35? 35, 35 year age gap. Do we have 40? 40 age gap, 40 years married age gap, 40.

[Clay Travis]

What is the biggest age gap currently existing marriage of anyone listening right now? You can't have gotten married and then gotten divorced like a year later and you were, you know, 70 and 25. 800-282-2882. Can anybody beat Becky who is listening right now? In the meantime, I'm about to blow Buck's mind here with this montage that producer Greg put together. So Shador Sanders, quarterback, Colorado, son of the legendary defensive back Deion Sanders, who is currently the head football coach at Colorado. He was not drafted until the fifth round. President Trump weighed in. It became a huge story over the weekend and many different sports media decided there was only one thing that could be going on. It was racism. Now, buck, the top two quarterbacks drafted in 2024 black. The top three quarterbacks drafted 20, 23 black. The top quarterback drafted over the weekend, black. Yet the sports media had to let you know the only explanation for why Shador Sanders wasn't being drafted was racism. Listen, there's a lot of people out.

[Producer]

There who are saying that, you know.

[Clay Travis]

He needed to be humbled.

[Producer]

Shadow Sanders didn't need to be humble.

[Clay Travis]

He's already humble. His confidence should not shake you or make you uncomfortable.

[Buck Sexton]

They hate to see confidence. You black and you confident.

[Clay Travis]

You know where you come from, you.

[Buck Sexton]

Know who you are, you know what you can do. And you don't need nobody to pat you on the back to give you the confidence.

[Clay Travis]

They hate it. Universally recognized one of the top three quarterbacks in the country entering this draft. And 32 teams passed on them not once, not twice, not three times, but four different times they passed on them. How the hell does that happen? So if it's not football, what is it?

[Producer]

Are there racial undertones here?

[Clay Travis]

Racist undertones, but it just stinks. It smells of racist undertones of too many white people in charge in this league. It's the way Shador dresses it's the way he talks and his culture. You see him at the draft, he's wearing all black.

[Producer]

He got the ill chain on, and.

[Clay Travis]

He talks like a rapper. Buck. This is sports media losing its mind. Racism. Black men are not being treated fairly in the NFL, which by the way, over half black.

[Producer]

I have, yeah, I have, I have questions. Wasn't Stephen A. Smith one of the voices that I heard in that montage?

[Clay Travis]

The voices. Let me make sure that I get this right. The voices. Stephen A. Smith. Yes. One of the voices. Skip Bayless, former representative Jamal Bowman in New York, who lost his job, NFL quarterback, former NFL quarterback Robert Griffin iii, and NBA basketball player Stephen Jackson.

[Producer]

I have to, I have to weave here for a second into, into a side. A side story. Jamal Bowman. Good on TikTok, bad on fire alarms.

[Clay Travis]

He's good on TikTok.

[Producer]

Yes. He was the only guy who wanted to keep TikTok alive. Like good as in he's good on the Internet.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, I thought you meant that he, like you were like fan of his. I'm saying you and he had the same opinion. That's right.

[Producer]

Agree with him on TikTok. Disagree with him on pulling fire alarms. But back to. So, you know, nobody wins them all. Back to this story. I need help here because this, this is always the thing when Clay. This is. It's kind of a funny litmus test, actually, when a story has become news, not sports news. If Clay can say to me, have you heard? And I'm like, yes, this should door fellow. I saw something about this in the headlines. He's like, okay, it's crossed over to. If it's on Buck radar, that means it's no longer a sports story. It's just story story. Right?

[Clay Travis]

It's every Caroline Levitt, I think. Do we have the audio? Caroline was asked about it this morning by Peter Doocy. Do we have that audio? Did we add it? I think we did. Yeah. Play it. Seven. Listen to this, Buck.

[Producer]

After the President's Truth social post, the Browns finally took Shadur Sanders.

[Clay Travis]

Does the president think he deserves credit for Sanders getting picked? And does he think going to the Browns is better than being undrafted?

[Caller]

Hey.

[Clay Travis]

All I will say is the president put out a statement and a few rounds later he was drafted. So I think the facts speak for themselves on that one.

[Commercial Voice]

Peter.

[Clay Travis]

All right. So by the way, Ducey, with a total shot for everybody listening in Cleveland, he said, is going to the Browns better than being undrafted. Oh, the Browns, historically, yeah. Not a great franchise. Buck. In terms of on field success so doocy off the top rope there from the White House press briefing.

[Producer]

Okay, question is some, some of the things that I picked up here. And I just, I just know this is a big story. And as we heard the montage, and it sounds like Stephen A. Is also somebody who is coming forward to say that there was some racial angle.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, right.

[Producer]

He's. Yeah, he did. The guy who was the first round draft pick in the entire thing. I watched not a second of this.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Producer]

My camera turned it on when I.

[Clay Travis]

Was number one overall pick. Black quarterback.

[Producer]

Black quarterback. Okay. So that to me, that to me is a kind of a big symbol, a big indicator that there's not a problem with taking a black quarterback number.

[Clay Travis]

One in the draft.

[Producer]

And in fact, as you said, NFL is half black. So I don't think anyone thinks there aren't enough black guys in the NFL. I don't think that's the case. The only question. Is he universally considered a top three quarterback? Is that, that was also a thing that I heard. Is that also accurate? Because that seems like this is.

[Clay Travis]

I'm going to take you in. I'm going to take you in. And we got some great callers, by the way, with huge gaps on their age. We'll get to those in a sec. But the NFL draft is now the second most popular basically sporting event in the country. Number one is the NFL. Number two is the draft for the NFL. Maybe you could argue. Let me just take a step back. College football is number two. The NFL draft is number three.

[Producer]

I would rather watch high level chess. I have. I do not understand how this is interesting to people. I'm sorry, call me a weirdo, okay? But I, I think I'm not the only one who doesn't care to watch the, the draft out there.

[Clay Travis]

The draft buck is more popular than the actual NBA playoffs and the actual NHL playoffs combined. That is the actual competition. If you look at the average game in the NBA playoffs and the NHL playoffs and you combine them, it's less popular ratings wise, than the NFL draft. Everybody does mock drafts. That's a huge part of the draft season. Everybody projects who's going to draft and everything else. So what's really amazing about this is all of the Shador Sanders hype was entirely based on what people thought would occur based on the fake mock drafts that they did, not based on any actual tangible. Hey, we know what this team's draft board looks like. So that is the, that is the background there. Now we got some incredible calls, I think. Let me hit this Walter, you have been married for 13 years. You say you are 69 years old. Your wife is 32. So you are 37 years older than your wife.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, sir.

[Clay Travis]

All right, so you have been married for 30 years.

[Producer]

Can I just say, Walter, currently reigning champion.

[Clay Travis]

Let me make sure I got this math right. Walter, you were 56 and you married a 19 year old.

[Buck Sexton]

She was actually. She was actually just turned 24. Just turned 21 when I met her.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, just turned 21 when you met. How did you meet your wife, who is this much different in age than you? 37 years younger.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, whichever one of you worked for the CIA will love this. My son works for the CIA, and his wife and him often had Filipino maids. And they said, if you're going to get remarried, you need to go to the Philippines. They love Americans. They love everything about Americans. And that's what I did. I got online, met a Filipino and went and saw her. Took about a year for her to come to the United states on a K1 visa, passport, whatever, and we got married 30 days later. You guys, I can tell you what the limit should be.

[Clay Travis]

What's the limit should be?

[Buck Sexton]

The limit should be when you can't perform. Normal marital issues. And one of those is having children. I have three children with her. She blessed me at 60 years old with my last child. I got cut after that. I have five children that are all older than her.

[Producer]

I say I like how we're. We're like, all in the trust tree here. It's just the three of us and about 3 million people listening, and we're just, you know, we're just laying it out there.

[Clay Travis]

So you have eight total kids?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, sir.

[Clay Travis]

And you had your oldest. Sorry, you were how old when your youngest was born?

[Buck Sexton]

My 60.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, well, thank you for the call. I'm glad it's going well. There you go.

[Producer]

The marriage has been great, I assume. It sounds like it's worked out really well for you, and we love hearing about happy marriage.

[Buck Sexton]

It has been. But you. You know, everybody has their. Their things that are important to them. You know, I don't know what's important to Belichick's wife, but what's girlfriend?

[Producer]

Well, this is a good. To be clear, sir, this is a. This is a, you know, like an Instagram girlfriend kind of a thing. Yeah, they're not. There's no kids, no marriage here, so just putting that out there.

[Clay Travis]

We've got. Thank you. We've got two more. This one is kind of an upset.

[Producer]

I just want to Be. Is he the reigning champion at. What was that?

[Clay Travis]

37, 37 years. Yes. And then we've got multiple people with 30 year age gaps. Let's see. Alan, she is 30. She's 23. Oh, that's nothing. You're a three. 23.

[Producer]

20. Some of those are rookie numbers. We got to get those rookie numbers.

[Clay Travis]

You got to do better than that. Alan Craig in Florida. Florida. A lot of Florida men. Craig, 34 years older than his wife. Craig, how old were you when you got married?

[Buck Sexton]

Let's see.

[Caller]

Well, I'm 70 now, so it was what, about 57, 58.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. And your wife was how old when you married her? How old were you? Honey, she's listening on the radio and she's hiding.

[Buck Sexton]

She's ducked her head.

[Caller]

She. She's ducked her head.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I'm.

[Caller]

I'm 34 and a half years older.

[Clay Travis]

Her.

[Caller]

She just turned 36.

[Clay Travis]

So how did you meet? So you're 70, basically, and she's mid-30s. How did you meet? I was a professor at a college.

[Caller]

And she was one of my students.

[Producer]

Oh, there we go.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, goodness. All right.

[Producer]

There we go.

[Clay Travis]

She better stay hidden. I won't ask you.

[Producer]

You know what it is, Clay? You know, some ladies just can't resist a guy in a tweed jacket with elbow patches. You know, that's just the way it goes.

[Clay Travis]

Do you guys have kids? Craig.

[Producer]

Okay, and then we got.

[Clay Travis]

Melanie in Houston has called in. This is the first woman. She is 32 years younger than her husband. Melanie, how are you?

[Caller]

Hi. I'm doing great. It's good to talk to you.

[Clay Travis]

So you are the woman who has had the. We had Becky Call in 31 and a half. You are 32 years age difference. How old were you when you got married?

[Caller]

I was 41.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, okay. Well, see, like this. Now I'm going to like.

[Producer]

So your age, I think once you. Once you hit 40, it's like you're a fully. Like the potato is fully baked. You know what I mean? You are who you are. And so that doesn't, you know, so I think that that's interesting that, you know, it's more when we get the people that are like 19 marrying a 50 year old that I think there is a generational gap that exists there. You know that that's pretty prominent. That's what you want to say, though.

[Caller]

He served 24 years in the Air Force and he was an incredible man, just a great American. We met while volunteering for local rodeo, Pasadena, Texas rodeo. And he just. His personality was overwhelming. He was so kind. He was so sweet. He treated my two children like they were his own. He had four grown boys, all older than me. They never accepted me. They never liked me. I took care of him, actually, in our home until the day that he passed from cancer. And I just, I was very blessed. And everyone, everyone whose life he touched, his name was Billy Graham, just like the preacher. Everyone who he touched was blessed.

[Clay Travis]

Well, thank you for the call.

[Producer]

Thank you so much. And it's a, we love hearing these lovely stories about marriages that work out and, and it go, go a very long ways in terms of the duration. We'll come back, we'll do some more of, some more of these calls for sure.

[Clay Travis]

I'm.

[Producer]

This has been, this has been very, very illuminating. Very interesting, for sure.

[Clay Travis]

No doubt. You know what else is illuminating and interesting? The NFL draft is over, but the NBA playoffs and the NHL playoffs are still underway, as well as major league Baseball. And you know what? Doesn't matter how old you are. Well, I guess you have to be 21 or older, but one, as long as you're 21. You can sign up at Prizepix. Use my name Clay. Get 50 bucks PricePix.com code Clay you can go to California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, all over the country. Nearly 40 states. Get hooked up right now. Pricepix.com code clay that is C L a Y five dollar play gets you fifty dollars. All you have to do, go download it prizepix.com code clay that's pricepix.com code clay making America great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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All right, we're going to be closing up shop here momentarily. We're having some Fun in the third hour. Talking about the Bill Belichick. It's 50, right? He's like a 50 year age gap.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, he's 74, I believe, or 72 and she's 24, 48 years. I guess that's the biggest age gap.

[Producer]

I have heard of certainly, you know, since the Anna Nicole Smith era. So that's the biggest age gap I've ever heard of. We're wondering what the biggest age gap was in this age gap was in this audience. I just tell you right now, those of you who are writing in or calling in, we appreciate it. We hope you have a great marriage, lots of kids, beautiful lives, 20, 20 year age gap. That's, that's rookie numbers. That's rookie numbers these days. We've already, we got a whole slew of 30 plus that are calling in, writing in. So it is not as unusual as some may think to have people married and seemingly happily. And we certainly hope that that is the case for all of our listeners. You have a great happy marriage, but 30 year age gaps aplenty in this audience, which is, which is pretty fun, pretty funny. But before I get into that, speaking of happy marriages, Clay, my understanding is that there was quite a fiesta at Casa Clay Travis over the weekend. Are we allowed to talk about this or we banned.

[Clay Travis]

Laura may want to come on tomorrow because it's the very end of the show. My wife, every year in the neighborhood, they have a yard sale. 60s she says houses had yard sales. They do it one time a year in the neighborhood. Every year I ask why we are doing a yard sale. And every year I am shouted down as a, as a imbecile for asking this question. So I don't understand it. I don't know very many men out there that are huge yard sale people. Maybe there are tons of you out there right now. They're like, you know what, I would love to spend the weekend doing yard sales. Women are obsessed with yard sales, Buck. It is the craziest thing I've ever seen. They start showing up at the crack of dawn. There are very few things I would wake up for at the crack of dawn on a weekend. And the entire house was swarmed with people buying stuff at our house. And I. I just. I mean, I don't get it. I don't understand why women love yard sales.

[Producer]

Were there some Thundercats pillowcases as I asked? I mean, what are we talking about? Maybe some. Some Ghostbusters costumes?

[Clay Travis]

The boys are getting older, so lots of costumes. Lots of Batman sheets. You wanted Thundercats it is. Can I ask.

[Producer]

Let's be honest, Clay is.

[Clay Travis]

Is a.

[Producer]

Is a T shirt that is old and worn in, but worn by Outkick founder Clay Travis. Is that a selling point? Is it like, you know, like the water that a saint has bathed in or something? Or how does that.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, you know what? You know what the one calamity is? I need to apologize. Dana Perino's autographed book that she had just sent to me accidentally got sold.

[Producer]

Oh, man.

[Clay Travis]

We got to track it down. We got to track down Dana Perino's book. It ended up getting bought.

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