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Clay Travis
Play 20 what legal authority did the Pentagon invoke to strike that boat full of drug smugglers?
Pete Hegseth
We have the absolute and complete authority to conduct that first of all, just the defense of the American people alone, 100,000Americans were killed each year under the previous administration because of an open border and open drug traffic flow. That is an assault on the American people. I said we smoked a drug boat and there's 11 narco terrorists at the bottom of the ocean. And when other people try to do that, they're going to beat the same fate.
Buck Sexton
What do you make of it, Clay?
Clay Travis
I think the question is how do we solve the issue of fentanyl coming across our southern border in particular, but also increasingly northern border. It's getting into the country. The drug war has failed. I think most of you out there recognize the drug war has failed. When I was younger and I think you were in this camp, Buck, my inclination was just to say we should legalize more drugs. We should spend less money fighting against it. But these drugs are so strong and so many relatively young people otherwise of good health are dying from them that I don't think we can allow it into our country. 100,000 people a year, again, overwhelmingly in their teens, 20s, 30s, 40s, people with decades of healthy life to go, are dying from these drugs. So what do we have to change? We need a game changing element to truly alter things, because what we're doing right now, frankly, isn't working. Now, securing the southern border is a huge part of this. We have now done that. It appears there still is a lot of fentanyl coming into the country. And I talked about reading a big story from the New York Times about how incredibly sophisticated the cartels have become when it comes to getting illegal drugs. I mean, they have submarines.
Buck Sexton
They've had submarines for a long time, Clay. They're using drones and they've been using drones at the border for surveillance of our border patrol and even sometimes to do drops. Yeah. And part of the problem, and you know, I used to, going back a long time ago, I used to occasionally spend some time with the nypd, co located with dea. And we'd. Obviously, when you're sitting with DEA guys, what are you talking about? Drug cartel stuff. Right.
Clay Travis
Yeah.
Buck Sexton
They were there just in case we needed them as a liaison during the counterterrorism work. But the things that we would talk about, the sophistication of the cartels was, was extremely high. And one of the problems you have is even as seizures go up, so as you get more of the illegal drugs, it's a supply and demand curve. So price, street price can go up. So you have to, you know, keep in mind that if you were to. If we were to get one and. Or if we were to get rather three out of four drug loads and take them out of circulation, it'd still probably be very profitable for the cartels to do what they're doing. That's the problem is that. Is that you have this very steep economic analysis. I mean, you brought this up in the context of if somebody thinks that they can feed their family for a year, are they going to. Are there going to be people willing to risk 20 years in prison to bring a few kilos of cocaine into this country on a fast boat or, you know, fentanyl, whatever it may be, the answer is yes. And for the cartels, even if there are seizures of cartel product, they can still make a whole lot of money. If we were to double the level of seizures. So this is the challenge in trying to stop this stuff. It's. There's a lot of money to be made in this black market for drugs, which obviously is killing a lot of Americans.
Clay Travis
Well, I think that the question I have, and I don't know the answer, but I think it's a worthy one to contemplate and debate. Does blowing up a speedboat that is filled with illegal drugs that reports are refused multiple commands to stop, by the way. So this was not completely without some sort of provocation.
Buck Sexton
Can I add to this, Clay? I think it's important we have this discussion because Reuters was reporting there have been. There's been a deployment of 10 fighter jets to Puerto Rico to fight against drug cartels. Now, that hasn't been confirmed, I think by the administration yet, but that's what the report that I saw on Reuters is. So the four, they're now moving and forward, deploying more assets that would be capable of doing these kind of strikes. So to your point, we better really be clear on. Is this something we have a constitutional. The president has a constitutional and legal authority. I mean those are one of the same, but legal authority to do. And what will the effects be on the war on drugs? I will say this. People say the war on drugs has failed. This does change the calculation. I think you pointed this.
Clay Travis
This is my point. Yeah, this is my point.
Buck Sexton
It's a different thing to face getting blown up with a hellfire missile or whatever it is.
Clay Travis
My wife is pointing out also that we have, according to her, and she's kind of an expert on this from her law training, she says this is the first time that we have officially designated terrorist organizations that are dealing drugs as terror organization which changes the rules of engagement Now I'm quoting her.
Buck Sexton
Well, she's, she's correct. And this is when we remember, I think I, we talked to very high level intel sources in this administration. Clay was there for most of it. Unfortunately, when he showed up in flip flops to the White House, they had to turn him away. But I just want to get this legend started that Clay was just like, yo, dude, I'm here for the, I'm here for the high level intelligence.
Clay Travis
I still don't have a real ID and they would not allow me in to meet with the directors of intelligence.
Buck Sexton
We're going to go back to the White House probably like in the next few months. Can you please get a real I.D. sir? All right. I don't have to. You tell everybody. I'm going to have to tattletail on you to everybody again. Get a real I.D. clay.
Clay Travis
I, it's complicated. You have to make these appointments. I'm on the air for four hours every day. It's not that easy to just in the middle part of the day go get a real id. I have a passport. But my thing here, in addition to all of this is does it change the calculus? Every drug dealer and drug smuggler in America is going to see that video. And I think, I don't think it's irrational. Most people analyze risk, reward in everything that we do all day long. And one risk clearly of being a drug mule is you get caught and you go to prison and you potentially have to serve time.
Buck Sexton
Can I ask you an honest question? And I don't. Because I can't put myself in the, in the mindset of one of these drug mules or cartel employees, whatever, whatever you want to call them. Does spending 25 years in a US federal prison seem worse to them than maybe just getting blown up and getting it all done at once? I'm being, you know, I don't know. I, that that could go either way. I think for some people.
Clay Travis
Yeah, I think it's a valid question. I think life risk is different. So I don't know. First of all, none of, unless you're a drug mule listening right now and you want to call in and tell us the drug mule thought process. As a rational person, my analysis of people who are drug smugglers is they see it as a way to make relatively short period of time, life changing money for both them and their family. And if you are required to risk time in prison, you at least know that at some point in time you can return to your family. I bet the cartels, I don't know this, but I bet the cartels give good payouts. Even if you get arrested. I bet they go back and take care of your family to try to encourage people to continue to take care of this risk. This is my depends on what I think.
Buck Sexton
If you're a mule, maybe not. But if you're somebody, if you're like a sicario, you know, somebody that's done really nasty stuff, they may do some of that. But Clay, I also think this is what I was going to say about the intel meetings and just the discussions that were going on in the White House. We have an incredibly, and I saw this up firsthand, we have an incredibly sophisticated counterterrorism. And by that I just to get more specific, our ability to track, surveil and blow up Al Qaeda style jihadis all over the world is pretty, pretty incredible. It has gotten to a point where the ability to hit hvts is in Yemen, in Somalia, in Pakistani tribal areas, and you name it is. And there's a whole chain of events that lead up to it, right? I mean, you know, finding these people, surveilling these people a target set, having the. Whether it's drones or whatever it is we're sending in after them, it looks like this administration is gearing up to use that very sophisticated counterterrorism infrastructure and strike capability against the cartels who are now designated as narco terrorists, as your wife rightly points out. And that is a whole new level of something for the cartels to be considering.
Clay Travis
I think getting blown up changes the calculus. That that's my ultimate analysis of the narco terror community. Because right now your worst case scenario is taking drugs. I guess your worst case scenario is the cartel could become angry at you and decide to kill you, which is why you do your job.
Dinesh D'Souza
You.
Clay Travis
But I don't think you're anticipating that your boat may get blown up. And so every narco terrorist in America is going to be seeing that video and I think it's going to set off alarm bells. Here's the biggest problem though. The reason why the drug trade exists is because there's lots of money to be made from the drug trade. And ultimately people respond to incentives when it comes to making money. To me, the biggest challenge here is we haven't driven up the cost of bringing drugs in to the point where it exceeds the profit opportunity from the drug dealer. And that is ultimately why they're engaging in rational economic decision making, even if we disagree with the choices that they're making.
Buck Sexton
I would also point out that in discussions that I had with members of border patrol in years past, and particularly under the Biden free for all open border years, Clay, the cartels, at one point, or, you know, at a certain phase of this, when the border was just wide open with the 10 million coming in, were making more, they estimated, on human smuggling than on drug smuggling. So that means billions of dollars, billions and billions of dollars on effectively controlling their side of the border. The. The plaza, right? They break these up into territories and you have to pay. And that's where the wristbands, and I've seen the cartel wristbands and giant piles on the ground. Because if you don't have that wristband, I mean, they'll pull you aside and execute you, right? I mean, you know, they'll do terrible things to you. So you got to have that wristband to show that you paid. But Trump has shut down that income stream. They're not coming into the country anymore that way, which means that now they have a greater desperation on getting money via the drug trafficking, which is made substantially harder as well, because the resources that were going to. To the humanitarian mission at the border, that is taking in illegals, making sure they're not, you know, dying of some disease or something like that, now that's all focused on the. So they have a higher need to make money off the drug trade, and we have a greater focus and resource on the drug trade. So, you know, this is a very different situation than it was even 18 months ago in terms of what the cartels are facing. And if we ramp up the strikes, the attacks and the pressure on them, this, this is a. This is a new phase. That's all I can. This is a. We have not seen something like this in a long time.
Clay Travis
Let me also, I'm going to say this. Every time we have a discussion about drugs, you need to talk to your kids and grandkids. They are often dying without even understanding the drug that they're taking. So they can think that they're taking a party drug. They can think, especially go off to college. You're often, you're in your 20s in a college town, you're in a big city, and you're off on your own. There are so many kids that are dying of poisoning. They're not really dying of overdosing because they're not. They're not taking what they thought they were taking. And you need to impress upon your kids that the intermixing between these highly dangerous, deadly drugs and the ones they think are party drugs, which are. They're going to be fine from and they're just going to have a great time. It's ecstasy ish or it's cocaine or it's something that they're not afraid of dying from taking. They need to understand that there is a huge risk. And I but this is a sign of how crazy it is. People who are huge party drug people are now using strips to check and see before they take their party drugs, whether it's fentanyl or not. I don't think there's a ton of college kids doing this. I don't think that's a die hard party drug person who's doing that testing. But there are people doing basically dying of poisoning, tens of thousands of them every single year. Your kids need to know about this.
Buck Sexton
We'll take your calls here. Coming up in a moment. Also get on some of your talkbacks and we've got Dinesh d' Souza will be with us talking about his new movie, which I think you're going to want to hear about for sure. We'd like to cover the cultural angle of things here too. And you know, we got, we've got amazing job Clay and I do doing this radio show every day. But you got to have a lot of energy, a lot of drive, a lot of focus. Believe it or not, we are voice athletes here. And if you saw Clay even tried to do all the chin ups and the pull ups and he got through them. You need to have a pretty good job, dude. Pretty good job.
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Welcome back in everybody to Clay and buck. We are joined by Dinesh d', Souza, author and filmmaker. His latest film, the dragon's prophecy documentary is scheduled for release on October 9th and we wanted to talk to him about it. Dinesh I believe today it's 700 days of war between Israel and Gaza. This ties into your film. Tell us about the dragon's prophecy.
Dinesh D'Souza
Well, the film is based on the idea that October 7th is not an ordinary attack. It's a kind of a biblical event. In other words, it's an event of ethical significance. And I think what the film does is it tries to raise the level of the current debate, which is a little bit Stuck, you know, on the left you keep hearing colonialism, colonialism, genocide, of course. On the right you have a different type of critique that is made of Israel. This film, what it does is it exposes the conflict in the light of ancient biblical battles between the Israelites and the Philistines. Now, very interestingly, the word Philistine and Palestinian are connected. They're in fact the same name. And one of the things we expose in the film is the way in which the tactics of the Palestinians resemble the battles of the ancient Philistines. So it's a very creepy idea that the past is now back to haunt us in a new way. But we're throwing a kind of new light on these events, looking at it somewhat through the lens of the Bible.
Clay Travis
I was over there, Dinesh, and I know some people have had the opportunity to go visit the kibbutzes, the Nova Music Festival location. I mean, it's really unbelievable, I think, to see in person and crystallizes what exactly happened. I imagine you have some of that footage. I imagine that you also have traveled to Israel. What did you find when you have been to Israel itself as part of telling this story?
Dinesh D'Souza
First of all, we have October 7th footage that people have literally never seen. The opening scene of the film is so shocking that we have actually had some people who get a bit squeamish about it. So there's a little bit of a graphic violence warning. Because the weird thing is, after October 7th, the Israeli government made the decision not to sort of release footage, even though some of it had been livestreamed by Hamas. The Israeli government said, basically, we're going to bring in small groups of journalists, hoping that they're going to be fair and well meaning. We'll show them the footage so that they can. Then their eyes will be open. Not realizing that these journalists from the BBC, from ap, from Sky News, very left wing, had no interest in taking a look at any of this footage or seeing its significance at all. So we begin the film basically by putting you right there in October 7th. Then we take you to the kibbutzes and we interview survivors, just a couple of them. But again, the stories are so haunting. They're first person, they're people who saw it with their own eyes. Because I think you can't discuss the war now without reference to a. The events of October 7th and second, understanding the significance of those events.
Clay Travis
What do you think, Dinesh? Yeah, sorry. Speaking to Nash d', Souza, I was going to build on that. You mentioned the response on the right, where Some people are angry at Israel's response to Hamas. I don't think it surprises people necessarily that the left in many ways has taken the side of the Palestinians because they see them as brave brown. They see them as the colonized. They see Israel as the colonizer. It is a bastardized version of history that they're applying. But what do you think about the anti Israel element of the right that now exists as well? What would you tell that those individuals?
Dinesh D'Souza
Well, first of all, I would tell them I. I can kind of understand where they're coming from. Where they're coming from is that, you know, the United States has gotten involved in a lot of foreign entanglement, and it's generally worked out pretty badly, at least in the last quarter century. Iraq, of course, a lot of these same conservatives are against the Ukraine war. So they're basically saying, well, why should we be for Israel? And indifference to what's happening in Ukraine, either we're in or we're out. The second thing that they have is this concern that somehow the Israeli tail is wagging the American dog. Now, again, on the face of it, this is a little absurd, right? You have a country of, what, 10 or 12 million people, it's got a gross national product, a tiny fraction of the US it's the size of New Jersey. It doesn't have anything like the weaponry we do. So how this little mosquito can somehow control the elephant is itself, like, baffling, right? It doesn't make any sense. When I debated this with Nick Fuentes a few months ago, I told him, if the Jews could truly control America, maybe they are the master race. I was being sarcastic, but the point being that the shoe that was raised, I think legitimately by Tucker Carlson in his discussion with Ted Cruz is he said, are the Jews of today, like Netanyahu's Jews, the true descendants of the ancient Israelites? This is a topic that is completely settled in the movie. And we do it essentially through biblical archaeology. So we kind of take you into the archaeological digs. Part of it is, if I'm giving a biblical analysis of what's going on, I want to consider the skeptical question. How do we know the Bible is even true? How do we know that the historical events described in the Bible are even valid? Was there really a King David? Was there really an Isaiah and a Jeremiah? And this is an element that is shown in the movie, and it's a very fascinating part of the puzzle.
Buck Sexton
Speaking to Dinesh Souza, and we're talking to him about his movie that's Come out. And Dinesh, why is it that the way this issue lines up is right after the October 7 events, and I mean right after, within certainly a few days, if not hours, you had people whom you would expect on the left and in the Democrat Party saying, we need a ceasefire. Which to me and Clay and I said this repeatedly in the show right away, this would have been like saying right after the towers had come down because of the mass casualty terror attack on 911 in this country, we need a cease fire with Al Qaeda. Like now's the time to really just hold back and have it. It seemed crazy. And in most, the most obvious bad faith. Where does the left get this? Like, why is the left dug in on the side of Hamas and against Israel and the Jewish people in this country?
Dinesh D'Souza
The left in a way accepts the premise of the radical Muslims that Israel is the little Satan and America is the great Satan. So when they start from that premise, that's their starting out premise. They consider Israel to be an illegitimate occupier of that land. Now think how crazy this is, right? The Jews have been there for 4,000 years, since the days of Abraham. Sure, they went into a diaspora, but not of their own choosing. If the Jews had packed up and left, I'd understand. People would say, well, you chose to leave, but they were pushed out, kicked out, burned out. So they fled and then they returned to their native homeland. So I think that. And then if you look at the example of America, you gave the example of 9 11, but you could look at Pearl harbor, you could look at Germany. Imagine if we were to say after Pearl harbor, listen, there were only a few thousand Americans killed in Pearl Harbor. Why did the United States have to go to Japan and drop atomic bombs and was contemplating an invasion of Japan? How can you justify so many more Japanese civilian casualties compared to the relatively low number of civilian casualties? All of this is just like nonsense because basically Japan started it. An unprovoked attack. You know, it's almost like if you or I have a home invasion and the guy comes in and he murders your wife, he rapes your daughter, he kills your kids, he runs away, you chase him, you grab your gun and chase him, he gets into his car, but then he comes out with his own wife and kids, sticks them in front of him and he basically goes, you can't shoot because you're going to have civilian casualties. And you'd have to say to that guy, well, listen, you are the one putting your wife and family in danger. I'm not aiming at Your wife. I'm aiming at you and deservedly so. And so you're using your own family as a human shield. So I think that in a way captures for me the kind of moral analysis to apply here. And that's why I find the kind of right wing critique of Israel in some ways very baffling, although I thrive very fair mindedly to engage it in the film.
Clay Travis
What is the end result here? I mean, Hamas still has 700 days coming up on the two year anniversary. Hamas still has over 20 or 20ish, I believe, hostages, including unfortunately, likely dead bodies that they're holding onto. Is there hope in your mind for peace in the Middle East? Trump has now been in office for a while. There's been lots of talk about ceasefires and what some sort of resolution for this process looks like. Israel's been at war for nearly two years now. There's big fights inside of Israel over whether the supremely religious Orthodox Jews should be called up to fight because they have mobilized so many troops, men and women, to fight. How does this end? What should be the conclusion?
Dinesh D'Souza
I will say that if the Bible is correct, this problem fundamentally will not be solved. And by that I mean that it will remain a festering sore. And that's really odd, right, because the, the India, Pakistan issue flares up, but then it simmers down. The Northern Ireland conflict has gone away, but somehow in all my adult lifetime, you've had American presidents marching over there with one peace plan after another, from Carter to Clinton. This stuff never gets sort of permanently fixed. Now, having said that, I think that Trump's idea, which is ultimately to fight this kind of deep, you can call it this jihadi enmity, and replace it with sort of commercial prosperity, in other words, replace it with washing machines and small apartments and everybody gets a job. And the idea of maybe having an administrative authority that's made up of the other Arab countries in conjunction with the United States. So in other words, you've got Egyptians and Saudis and Jordanians kind of watching over Gaza. This is a kind of ingenious idea. To my knowledge. It's never been, not only tried, it's never been contemplated this week before. So I think Steve Witkoff, the, the envoy may be onto something. And it's possible that we're going to see progress, but are we going to see an ultimate solution? I don't think so.
Clay Travis
Dinesh, we appreciate the time. We encourage people to go check out the movie and we hope you have a fantastic weekend. The film's website is the dragons prophecy.com and it will also have limited theater.
Dinesh D'Souza
The dragons prophecy film.com Ah sorry the drag.
Clay Travis
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Mary Kathryn Hamm
Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm.
Carol Markowitz
And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time.
Mary Kathryn Hamm
Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.
Carol Markowitz
That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
Mary Kathryn Hamm
We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.
Carol Markowitz
We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
Mary Kathryn Hamm
So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of normally every Tuesday.
Carol Markowitz
And Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.
Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton show taking you into the weekend. A little bit of a short week for a lot of people because of Labor Day, and a lot of you have been weighing in for a variety of different topics, and I want to hit some of those.
Buck Sexton
Can I ask you a question, Mr. Sportsman?
Clay Travis
Yes.
Buck Sexton
Right after this, I'm actually going to be watching a sporting event with the masses, and it will be the tennis match between Novak Djokovic and Carlos Alcaraz, who win. That's at 3 Eastern. It's right after the show.
Clay Travis
So is this a. I don't even know what round they're in. Is this a final eight? Is this the quarterfinals? Is this a semifinals? I know it's not the championship.
Buck Sexton
My word. He's just, he's just, he's just messing with me right now. There's no way. You don't know anything about where the US Open is right now. America's premier tennis tournament Clay, it's football season.
Clay Travis
There's no Americans involved.
Buck Sexton
You see that? Do you see that? He just, he just kicked a football right in the face of.
Clay Travis
I didn't realize. I'm looking right now. So this thing really does start in, in like eight minutes, so.
Buck Sexton
Well, I'm telling you, I, I'm, I'm going, I'm going. Alcaraz for the win on this one. But Djokovic, he's a, he's a cagey cat, that guy. You never know what he's gonna pull off. He's. He's almost 40 and he's still playing amazing tennis. So this is the semifinals. This is the last four guys, and last four gals are playing it out in the semi. Oh, no, I think the. Yeah, that's right. Last four girls as well, so. All right, there we go. We can get to the talk back.
Clay Travis
I just presumed that it was gonna be Alcaraz and center. I knew that they're the two best and that they had been dominating the.
Buck Sexton
Djokovic fans don't want to hear this blasphemy.
Clay Travis
I would love to see Djokovic win, especially because we banned him from being able to play in the US Open for multiple.
Buck Sexton
He was a vax mandate hero. All right, now you can get to the talkbacks and the good stuff.
Clay Travis
We just got a couple of them here, I think, lined up. Well, first of all, VIP email. Sandra says, I'm going to complain about Buck. I'm not wanting to, but every time I hear him talk about Harry Potter, it disturbs me. I have a son just like him. I understand the Chronicles of Narnia is an important part of children's literature, but I can also tell you that Harry Potter is just as important. Tell Buck to read them. I read the Harry Potter books while I was in college. Sorry, law school. Because I wanted to have something light to read when I. Right before I was going to bed. So I powered through all of these back in the day, before I had kids of my own. I know a lot of you have watched the movies, but I'm telling you, yes, in an ideal world, your kids would read the Chronicles of Narnia, and they would also read the. The Hobbit series, the. The Lord of the Rings, and they would read Harry Potter. They would read everything. But if you need to get them started in something, I think Harry Potter is a pretty good way to get them engaged. Seven books. So you. They grow with the books.
Buck Sexton
Even Tom Clancy start them out with the Hunt for Red October.
Clay Travis
Come on. I mean, you and I were nerds, so we read those back in the day. But. But yeah, the average kid is going to be all in on Harry Potter.
Buck Sexton
People ask me, like, how I thought to join the CIA and yeah, after 9 11. But why. Why did my brain go to the CIA and not to the military? Like, obviously, a lot of. A lot of people did right away, Tom Clancy book, straight up. I was like, jack Ryan. I could do what that guy did. That is how. I had no family ties, no. Nothing to any of that. But I was like, yeah, that Jack Ryan guy. The Tom Clancy books.
Clay Travis
We need to get the Rutherford from our podcast now.
Buck Sexton
Dave Rutherford.
Clay Travis
Yes, yes, next week. Because there's a big story out about Seal Team 6, North Korea that the New York Times has published. I haven't had the time to read the full totality of it, but I do want to get his reaction to this story at some point next week, because I think it's going to carry into the next week. We hope all of you have fantastic weekends watching football, kicking back with your family.
Buck Sexton
What's your best football pick right now for the for the weekend? Who's going to win the most important game?
Clay Travis
Oklahoma is going to blow Michigan out on Saturday. Book it.
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Mary Kathryn Hamm
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Date: September 5, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Host: iHeartPodcasts
In this hour, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton take on urgent issues in news and politics, focusing on the recent escalation in America’s fight against drug cartels – specifically, a dramatic kinetic strike against a suspected narco-terrorist boat. The hosts unpack the legal, ethical, and strategic ramifications of using military force against drug traffickers before welcoming author and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza for an in-depth discussion on his new documentary, “The Dragon’s Prophecy," exploring the biblical and historical dimensions of the Israel-Hamas conflict. The episode concludes with a blend of cultural commentary, listener interaction, and some lighthearted sports banter.
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Summary prepared for listeners seeking critical insights and memorable moments from Hour 3 of The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show (9/5/25).