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Welcome in everybody. Third hour of clay and Buck starts right now. Joined in studio in NYC where I got the whole team here. My friend Rafael Manguala is with us. He's got a book which I'm looking at is perfectly placed behind his head. You should go buy it. Criminal injustice. What the push for decarceration and de Policing gets wrong and who it hurts most. There's quite a subtitle, sir. Criminal Injustice though, a great book. You should get it. But before we get into that, can I, can I get your take? Because you follow all legal stuff, you follow immigration stuff. So the. I feel like I'm just gonna guess. You probably think that a man is a man as a woman is a woman and you're probably on board for, for that.
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Easy peasy.
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Do not think Macho man Randy Savage should be able to like stiff arm girls. On the right on the great south park hockey. Isn't that amazing?
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So good.
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That's so timeless too, because they did it to be like, come on, we all know that's crazy. And now they're like, no, now there's. Yeah, yeah, no, this is 240 pound guys with long hair who want to be like the female weightlifting champion. And you know, it's like, I'm not here to talk about my transition.
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That's right.
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That's right. So anyway, but on, on the ruling today, birthright citizenship. I mean, what. Just give me your take. And also I want to. You have a really interesting story. A little bit on your legal, legal immigrants, but interesting story and your background. But what do you think about Skoda's coming down today saying, you know, birth tourism, for example. Citizen. No question.
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Yeah, look, I mean, I'm more with the dissenters in this case. I think, you know, the constitutional question, though, a hard one, I do think plays out in the direction that, you know, say Thomas and Alito and Gorsuch would have taken it. I was surprised to see the chief justice in the majority in that case. But look, it's a, it's a somewhat, you know, defensible position. I think, you know, Kavanaugh really had kind of the best of it, you know, where he had the right, I think constitutional interpretation, but did take issue with the fact that this was done through executive order.
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I think it's saying it's up to Congress is, I think, for me not to speak for you, but I feel like, okay, that's, I can see that. And that's real. Just Saying that this is what the con. This is what the founders intended, which is really what the majority under Roberts. I'm looking at this like, you guys have got to be kidding me.
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Yeah, look, I mean, I think it's a. It's a much harder argument to make. I think there's some real interesting sort of idiosyncrasies in terms of, like, you know, what the. The sort of founding error. Not really founding error.
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Right.
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Because these are Reconstruction amendments. But you know, what. What the. The drafters had in mind at that time, I don't think that it was as broad as they say it is. I think, you know, this idea that simply just being subject to the laws of the United States is enough is probably not right. But look, here's an opportunity for Congress to be serious. Right? I mean, if this is a major national issue. Well, there's only one now, so at least it clarifies the scope of that debate. And the only move forward is something that's practically impossible, which is a constitutional amendment, which you're not going to get.
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So the audience may have figured out, because your last name is Mangual, that you are not of the Mayflower. Mangual.
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That's right. Not of the Mayflower.
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So you. You came here, or your parents, rather, are immigrants to the country.
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My mother's an immigrant. My dad's from Puerto Rico.
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I'm sorry, your mother's an immigrant to the country? Your dad. Puerto Rico is us. US Citizens. That. That is definitely. We know that. US Citizens. But tell this. It's really interesting about the doctor. Tell about your dad. That was fascinating.
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My mom.
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I'm sorry, your mom's side. Your mom's side.
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So my mom. My mom is a Dominican immigrant. Came to this country in the 60s, legally. My grandfather came first. So it was one of those sort of traditional immigrant stories where he leaves his home country to set out for more opportunity here in the United States and then saves up enough to eventually send for the rest of his family, his wife and his kids. But the way that he was able to get his visa to come here in the first place legally was that he was helping out the US Marines when they landed in the Dominican Republic in the 1960s, in the wake of the overthrow of the Dominican dictator Rafael Trujillo, who was assassinated in, I think, 1961. And that threw the country into a state of tumult. So there were all these sort of competing factions within the military. And my grandfather, because he spoke English and had admired America, kind of played a couple of interesting roles in his community. One was sort of, you know, giving the rest of the neighborhood, you know, the news that was coming from the state. So they had this radio where they could listen to, you know, us based commentary about what was going on and, and he could give an accurate take on that. But he could also help feed intelligence to, you know, the Marines. And that was, you know, how he was able to eventually get to this country which he is a citizen of and loves deeply. I was very raised very patriotically. My mother became a citizen at the very first opportunity and you know, always grew up in a house with an American fl. And you know, it's interesting, I mean, you know, the Dominican nationality was actually in the news recently here in New York City. We had a congressional race, one of the three big DSA sweeps in the primaries.
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The socialists, just so everyone's clear. Socialists.
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The socialists. So you had Darialisa Avila Chevalier, who ran for the seat in New York, 13 against the incumbent who is the head of the Hispanic caucus, Adriano Espiat. And she beat him in a district that is heavily constituted by Dominican immigrants and Dominican descendants. What's interesting though is that she won that race while losing the Dominican vote. She won in the places around Columbia University, around Barnard.
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It's basically like grad students and I believe black voters too actually went for her over Espail.
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Yeah. Who and like both her and Espad share a Dominican origin. Right. Her parents are Dominican. She was born in Florida. Espada is Dominican immigra immigrant actually came to this country, I think illegally. He was undocumented for a time, but sort of rose to the reigns traditional American story. What was interesting is that her sort of socialist kind of leanings came into her old commentaries about the Dominican Republic itself, where she had actually said that Dominican nationalism was toxic, that it was anti Haitian, that it was anti black. And she had made references to the Dominican flag as like this sign of violence which actually put her on bad footing with the Dominican community who had rejected her pretty soundly. In fact, the morning of the primary she ended up walking off of an interview on the biggest Spanish speaking radio station in New York City because they pressed her about what she said about the Dominican flag and she refused to apologize.
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One thing that I have observed many times, but is always a complete there's a befuddlement and a shock that particularly white leftists have in this country when they find out that non white people in other places around the world have their own beefs and bigotries and problems with Each other and that like even in the Indian subcontinent, there's racism.
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Sure.
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Among Indians about skin color. I mean it's, you know, it's far more complicated than just, you know, if you, you know, if you look like Mitt Romney, you can be racist and nobody else can be racist. Which is essentially what the.
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What the left, even the Asian world especially. Yeah.
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One thing that I will tell you, I thought, sorry, I'm getting way off. We're going to talk crime. His book is Criminal Injustice. Just go buy copies.
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It.
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He's brilliant guy. It's why I have him here in studio. But when I was in Taiwan this past September, there's the clear. I mean there is a. For advertisements.
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Yeah.
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They make, they make the women whiter than white. I mean there's a, there's. They actually change people's skin color as part of which it's a weird. When you see it, you're like, what is that? But anyway.
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Yeah.
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Whole other car. Otherwise I love Taiwan. Great place. But that was a little off putting.
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But.
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So tell me, criminal injustice. Ok, so we've. You are, you're somebody that I go to when I'm like, hey, what's really going on with the crime scenario in this city or that city? What policies are working? What's not working? I mean, is the top line here? Basically the entire Democrat BLM leftist movement has just been wrong about everything, made everything worse for everybody and particularly made minorities suffer more. Like what. What is what here?
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Yes, yes and yes. I mean, you know, the BLM movement has been one of the most toxic and most dangerous movements for black America in the United States over the last several years. I mean, starting in 2013, 2014, when that movement really kind of took off, what did they drive? They drove policies like decarceration, de policing, bail reforms, you know, raise the age reforms which kind of raise the age. The age at which people can be held criminally responsible. So you can't prosecute 16 and 17 year olds in New York City anymore, essentially. Right. You have to run them through family court and that means that they almost always get out. So you have all of these things that they did that essentially all went in one direction, which is they raised the transaction costs of enforcing the law and they lowered the transaction costs of breaking the law. When that happens, things go bad, you get more crime. And what I think is interesting about the moment that we're in right now is that everyone's making all of this hay about the fact that crime is, you know, going down, that homicides are going to reach their near low, you know, for. For however many years. What's interesting is that for the last couple of years especially, we have walked away from all of the reformist impulses that the BLM movement pushed. So we're seeing police around the country reassert themselves. We are seeing, you know, the incarceration rate go up. The prison population is going up for the first time in over a decade, for the last two years. So, you know, I think we learned some lessons from that really toxic experiment. But the one thing that I don't think people appreciate enough is that the people who paid the highest price for the excesses of BLM were black Americans who saw the. I think they, they bore almost 95% of the homicide spike in 2020 and 21.
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Yeah, I think that that was actually part of the Rudy Giuliani New York City miracle being so far reaching and so widely appreciated was that people did see, based on the data, that there were thousands over the course of his tenure as mayor, you know, entirety of it, if you add it up, thousands of overwhelmingly black and some Latino New York City residents who are alive, walking around and enjoying themselves day to day, who would not have been there were it not for the change in crime trajectory that affected those communities so dramatically, 100%.
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There's a study that I cite in the book, Patrick Sharkey was one of the authors, and I couldn't disagree with that guy more on policy, by the way, but it's an interesting study. What they did was they looked at the homicide decline between 1990 and 2014, and they looked at the effect of that decline on life expectancy by different racial groups. That Decline added about 0.14 years of life expectancy to the average white man's life. It added a full year of life expectancy to the average black man's life. And the reason that I brought that up in the book is it poses a very simple question, which is if the BLM movement is right and the criminal justice system is racist and policing is racist, and aggressive prosecution is racist, and high incarceration rates are racist, all of the things that contributed to that decline. By the way, why on earth would the system that's allegedly racist toward black men in particular, so disproportionately, almost exclusively, benefit that same group when it achieves its stated ends, Ask any police chief in the country, what are you going after? I want to control crime. Ask any law in order to prosecute,
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why are the evil racist cops saving so many black lives by actually Policing communities.
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Every single time a cop gets out of a car and chases a bad guy down a dark alley who might or may not have a gun, they're subordinating their own safety.
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To who?
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To the communities that they serve. It's not rich white communities that have a problem with these mass gunmen. They are putting their lives on the line for precisely the communities that we're all supposed to believe that they hate.
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So, I mean, I could ask you questions for hours. I kind of do. I text him randomly. He's one of these people. I'm like, explain this. Explain. He's like, I'm trying to sleep over my family. I'm like, tell me what's going on with crime in Philadelphia these days. And I appreciate that you're very, very quick on the draw with giving me your best analysis on some of this stuff, but. So I've got one of those moments, though. You look at El Salvador.
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Yep.
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Incredible. I mean, incredible. Miraculous level. Turn around. How is it that any criminologist, anyone who operates in your world of, like, let's look at the facts and figures and come up with what actually works. What is their response to, hey, if you actually just lock up the bad people, everyone is safer?
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Yeah. No, they'll ignore it. They'll say, well, they'll. They'll either ignore it or they'll lean into, you know, the kind of due process concerns. Well, you know, we can't just sweep 70,000 people up in one fell swoop and lock them up. We have to give them all fair trials and blah, blah, blah. And you wouldn't want to live in that kind of country with that kind of power. And, look, I get it, right? Like, there are legitimate due process concerns, Right. That wouldn't work in the United States with the system that we have. But the key insight from El Salvador is that incarceration works, man. It works. There's a tweet that the. That RNC research account put out that I responded to yesterday. It was like a clip of Zohra Momdan back before he was a mayoral candidate, talking about prisons and the need to abolish them. And he said, well, what purpose do they serve? And so I just quoted the tweet and said very simply, it's a very easy question to answer. They serve the purpose of incapacitation. Somebody who is locked up in a prison cell cannot harm anybody in the communities that they would otherwise spend their time in. That's the key. That's what prison does effectively. Now, there are secondary and tertiary purposes that Prison serves like deterrence and punishment and even rehabilitation, which I think is mostly a PIP dream, because we have no idea how to do it, let alone how to do it at scale. But the key is it's to take people who are in the throes of a criminal career and take them off the street to physically incapacitate them. When you look at homicide or any serious crime category in this country, what do you see over and over and over again? Whether it's Arena, Zarutska, or whatever kind of case makes the news, it's the guy had 15 priors. The guy had 20 priors. The guy was out on parole, the guy was out on probation. And so regular Joes in public, they ask themselves the same question, which is, what the hell is this person doing out on the street? Why. Why are they there? And the answer, too often, is that we just didn't have the stomach to do what was necessary. They have the requisite criminal history. They have the convictions. We just chose not to put them in prison for a really long time. And if you do that, you end up protecting a lot of people. And what El Salvador illustrates is that it works. And we know this.
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Yeah, I feel like we've run this experiment. The data is in, and there are people just like, nope, sorry.
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Yeah, well, it makes them feel good, right? I mean, these people have convinced themselves that they are moral superiors, right? And they. The truth is they don't have to live with the consequen of crime going up. Right. They don't live on the south or west side of Chicago. They don't live, you know, in the southwestern district of Baltimore. They don't live in Brownsville, Brooklyn. They don't have to deal with the fallout. Right. They would never send their kids to school in these neighborhoods. They only drive through these neighborhoods at
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55 miles, by the way, any Democrat who wants to talk about criminal justice policy, who is of means, should explain where do you send your kid to school? By the way, I'm always. That's. You'd be amazed. Everybody with that. That shows you. Criminal Injustice is the book. Rafael Mangual is the author. Go get a copy of it. Be smarter on crime stuff than all your lib friends. You'll drive them insane. Rafael will help you make the arguments that they will not be able to defeat criminal injustice. Go get it. Manhattan Institute. They're your employer. They're smart.
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They are smart. Much smarter than me. I don't know what they are smart
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Well, they're not all happy over at Ms. It's that's Ms. Now, right? Or NBC. Same thing they they. This is pretty amazing. NBC's Craig Melvin offered a trigger warning for trans people watching the coverage of the Supreme Court decision. Listen to this. Just a quick note here. The terms that we're using here during our reporting Biological male. Biological female. The high court put those terms in quotations in their decision and their dissent. But just so you know, we're using those terms from the decision itself. Biological male. Biological female. You know they got to explain that because people will be upset at home. Biological male. Biological female. You know you at some point also would want to ask what does the average msnow NBC viewer of this who thinks that the future is female and that climate change is an existential threat and that Joe Biden was totally sharp as attack. And what, what words do they really think? They actually just want you to say man and woman or male and female based upon whatever they tell you. It's really just about removing the objective reality and obeying. And when you understand that, when you see that everything else makes sense, they just want you to say no, that's a woman. Now not even a trans woman. That's a woman. That's the whole game. But it's also crazy game. Business owners carry a lot of responsibility even if it doesn't show on a day to day basis. One way a business owner handles that is by buying business insurance because you know things go wrong. You need insurance insurance claims, coverage gaps, employee questions. There's a lot of stuff that comes up during the year and super sure they are your answer for all of this. They have your answers. If your company has more than 25 employees, you need to know about Super Sure. And honestly, you should be using super sure licensed in every state for your business insurance and employee benefits. All with year round support for you and your team at no additional cost. Super sure also has a fine print fax tool. Great way to see what your current policy says in plain English so you can see what's covered and what's not. Plus this is really cool, a business value calculator so you can estimate what your business is worth and then you really know it needs protecting. First step here, go to supershore.com buzz buck that's super sure.com buck paid for by Super Sure Insurance Agency LLC, a licensed insurance agency. Well, I think it's a big threat
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to our nation actually, because it's not socialism, it's really communism. They use the word social Democrat because
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it sounds so nice, but it's really communism you're talking about. I think it's the biggest threat to
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there is, maybe since our founding. Then includes World War I, World War,
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World War II, September 11th. It includes the Pearl harbor attack.
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I think this is the biggest threat to our nation. People will smile when I say that.
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But the smart people are going to
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say, you know, he's probably right.
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It's basically introducing communism into the United States of America.
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There's never been anything so dangerous, never been something so dangerous as communism to the United States. You know, I am pretty amazed at how often when I have this conversation, I do like to sit around and just talk about history and things like that with people I don't know in my personal life. I don't really Spend a lot of time talking about politics. I do that so much here a little bit. But I do like to just talk about history sometimes. I mean, in social settings, you know, with people I don't know that well. But when I tell them that communism had the single greatest death, though far beyond in terms of death toll fascism in the 20th century, people sort of push back on it in their heads. They go, no, that can't be, that can't be. What about the horrors of. When we say fascism, we really mean Nazism and Germany in the World War II era. And of course that's absolutely terrible, very obviously horrific. But you start looking at Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot and then a whole bunch of other places that people don't often think, well, Cuba certainly gets into the mix. Angola, I mean, there are all these different places, Vietnam, that have been completely poisoned by communism and how many lives have been ruined and destroyed. And the fact that in that environment you could have people today who are certainly speaking with a communist twang, if not aligning with all of their policy proposals. There's something about these so called democrat socialists that you immediately start to say, hold on a second. What is so different about what they want from what not the results were in these other countries, but what in the early days they said they were going to do? Universal child care, equal sharing of blessings for everybody. No one goes without, everyone has what they need, right. To each according to his need, from each according to his ability, whatever, something like that, that. And I, I do think that it's important for the President to be willing to just speak about this and address this. I hate when they play these games. It's really, it's just like a hide, hide the, the football game, you know, of. Oh, it's not, they're not socialists, they're democratic socialists. They're not communists, they're socialists. They're not, you know, they're not collectivists, they're progressives. They, they, they like to try to hide in the jargon and the, the pseudo scientific nature of the way that they talk about these things, but ultimately they have a belief that you do not have individual rights, that the state is in place of God. And their aims to make society better, whatever that may be, require as much power as they want. And however many eggs they got to break to make that omelet, they're willing to do. That's really what it comes down to. This is why communism is more a religion actually than a political belief system. It is a, it is both. I mean, it is a political belief system, but also a religion at the same time, because it requires a faith. It requires people to dispense with what they know of history and to forget the lessons of history intentionally, to suppress them, to ignore them. This time it will be different. The real stuff has never been tried. We have seen so much of this, and I think it's, it's, it's very concerning, honestly, that this is rising. You might say, buck, why do we care so much? There are other places where this stuff, I mean, in this country. There is a person who's running in Colorado right now who I believe called the 911 terror attacks inevitable due to US policy. There was a piece yesterday, quote, after victories in New York City, democratic socialists are taking their fight against the democratic establishment to Colorado. I think it's also interesting, they've created this term, this democratic socialist socialists. There are plenty of places, socialist states that claim to be democratic, that have elections. So why do they have to have this designation? They're trying to create really an artificial separation from this. So there are other places across the country, other places across the country where this is now also having a moment, having its time in the sun, heading into a midterm election. And I am reminded of this quote from Pat Buchanan, which I will share with you all now. There's a lot, a lot of stuff. You go back, you read Pat. I've done that. I've been a fan of the Buchanan writing for a long time. He wrote this. Wherever communism has triumphed, churches have been gutted, priests massacred and children indoctrinated into their communist lies. The family has been subordinated to the state, and the betrayal of friends has become a matter of duty. Man, that nails it. Totally true. Really hits on a lot of it as well. That's why I know Rush loved the movie. The Lives of Others. So true. Such a good movie because it really gets to that. The core of the communist project, the collectivist authoritarian ideology is the cause is more important than.
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Than everything.
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It is more important than your love for your own children. It is more important than your love for your parents or your spouse or it has to override everything because it will inherently fail and do terrible things along the way. And you have to find the people that are engaged in it, in the communism, if you will. They need some way to justify what they are doing. The only way you can justify the atrocities that communism always falls into along the way is to create a ends justify the means. And this means more than anything, reality. Oh, boy, I'm Saying this now I'm going to get texts about this. Congress revisits CIA MK ULTRA program. Oh, boy, oh, boy. I looked into MK Ultra for my book, guys. If we could do the stuff that people think the CIA could do, don't you think we do it a lot more? Oh, I know. People are gonna get mad. People are gonna get mad. We can't. People can't decide if the CIA is like a bunch of worthless bureaucrats sitting around doing nothing or a team of evil geniuses who can create Manchurian candidates at will. It's really a lot. It's honestly a lot of people punching into a clock who were like, yeah, I'm going to write some emails and get out of here as soon as I can today. That's the reality of it for the most part, for most of the people work there. Uh, but back to the communism thing. The fact that Trump is speaking out and I think is a good thing. Uh, there's also a. I just want to get to this guy mentioned at the top of the show. As, you know, big. The big deal today was birthright citizenship upheld by the court, which is, I think, madness. But it is what it is. This is where we are. The slow dissolution of our republic, it seems, continues, at least as it pertains to sovereignty and immigration. And. But we're going to keep fighting and we'll figure it out. We will figure it out. But there's this other transgender case that was the right ruling. Although I do think the. I do think the reality here is it should be shocking to anyone that someone on the Supreme Court could sit there and say, you know what, there really should be men competing against women's sports. And that doesn't somehow break down the distinction between men and women's sports. That, that is, is troubling. So we had the right outcome. But it also should not really put you at ease because they're not giving up on this. They're not, they're not going to walk away from this. But here's the case today. National Republican Senatorial Committee. This is the other one, one versus Federal Election Committee. So the NRSC versus the FEC six, three ruling. I think you can guess who the three are. The court struck down long standing federal limits under the Federal Election Campaign act on the amount political parties can spend in coordination with their candidates for federal office. These are known as coordinated party expenditure limits. So parties had faced caps on spending when done in coordination with a candidate. These were being treated like direct contributions to prevent circumvention of Those contribution limits and reduce corruption risks. This comes from the post Watergate reforms have been upheld by the supreme court back in 2001. So the court opinion by Justice Kavanaugh held these limits violate the First Amendment. Political spending is protected speech. The limits are not justified by anti corruption interests in light of evolving campaign finance precedents. So there you go, totally ideological lines. By the way, the three communists on the court saying, no, we want to keep this, we want to keep these restrictions in place. You'll know there's always this trend about the left in America. They want more power than the right does because they will use it. Because the notion that people can live freely and in liberty and make more and more of their own choices upsets the left. You're not supposed to, you're supposed to be a part of the hive mind and you're supposed to go along with whatever they want. That is what they would like to see. Right? They do not believe that there is a liberty interest that is more important than their state. Big S state project Trump. By the way, I was trying to find this before on Truth Social he wrote the Supreme Court just took restrictions off political spending, all caps. A big win for Republicans and more importantly the First Amendment. So he's very happy about this. And the Republicans are pleased about this because the Democrats always want to be able to, to infringe on speech for their own political purposes. They see no problem with it. They can, they can find, they can live with the cognitive dissonance easily. They can say, well, yeah, you know, this is free speech, except what you're saying is so bad it's not covered. And they never see a problem with this. I mean it's emotion driven. It's once again, ends justify the need, ends justify the means. But they like to be in a position to abuse the First Amendment so they can stay in power and none of this should be really all that surprising. So that was a good right. I'm trying to bring you up with a, bring into the picture here, a good decision and that is something that we can all be happy with for a second. Look at that. Trump is very happy about it. So you got two good minor decisions today. Pretty much. I don't know, the trans one. If they had gone against us on the trans one, then it would be smoke em if you got them. The Republic is finished. Nothing means anything anymore. You know, up is down. We are living in the, you know, in an alternate universe. So yes, I'm glad that's not the case. But it's tough to get too excited about that with the trans athlete case. But on the yeah, the birthright citizenship today, it was a little bit of a tough one. Little bit of a tough one. We'll come back here and talk about pride in America and the two 50th and how much we love this great country of ours. But do the others? Do the Democrats? There's some data on this that I think you will find quite interesting. If you're a camper or an outdoorsy person, you need to get some Rapid Radios. These are like the walkie talkies we played with as kids, except they utilize the nationwide LTE network so no matter where you are, easy to connect. Just push a button and talk instantly over thousands of miles with Crystal clear audio. They're 100% private with 256 bit encryption so no one can listen in. For all the times you find yourself in a dead cell zone or a remote spot where service is limited, having Rapid Radios keeps you connected. 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Hi. Hey, I just have a quick question for you guys with the whole trans thing and guys playing in women's sports.
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What do you do from state to state if there's crossover competition?
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And I haven't heard much about it lately. No, I mean, no one's talking about it. Convention of the States is. I mean, if you're asking me could it happen at some point, sure. Is it going to happen anytime? No. I mean, it's supposed to be hard, right. Article 5 of the U.S. constitution, 34 states to apply for a convention to propose amendments, 38 states ratify whatever comes out of it. Very, very high bar. Very, very hard, hard to do. Does this move us closer to that? Maybe. Would I make a bet that this is going to happen in the next 10 years? I would not. It is intentionally difficult and I don't think we could get enough states to go along with it, quite honestly. That's the problem right now. So there is that. There is that sort of break the glass component in the Constitution of the Convention of the States, but we're not gonna get there with the way the states are certainly right now. More tomorrow. Join me then. It will be fun this July 4th.
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