Hour 3 - The Weak Man Problem

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: "Hour 3 – The Weak Man Problem"

Date: November 11, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

In this Veterans Day edition, Clay and Buck address the latest political fallout from the government shutdown, the internal strife among Democrats, and what it signals for the 2026 and 2028 elections. They discuss the rare, rational stances emerging from Democrats like John Fetterman and feature a powerful, wide-ranging interview with Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer. The episode explores key issues including veteran care, the Afghanistan withdrawal, gender debates in sports, and what Dakota Meyer calls the "weak man problem" in America—all with the show's signature blend of political sharpness, humor, and listener interaction.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Government Shutdown: Democrat Disarray & Internal Criticisms

• Recap of the Government Shutdown and Resolution
  • Clay notes a dramatic change in narrative from media panic ("everyone is basically gonna die because SNAP is not going out") to anger at Democrats for re-opening the government.
  • Quote: "Democrats are in such disarray that right now Don Lemon and Sunny Hostin are losing their minds over the shutdown ending." – Clay Travis [04:14]
• Highlighting Democratic Senators Who Supported Reopening
  • Buck lists the 8 Democratic Senators who voted with Republicans, pointing out their states and possible electoral motivations. [05:20]
  • Clay focuses on Nevada’s senators, arguing their pivot reflects how purple-to-red states are reshaping decisions.
• Media Reactions: Don Lemon & Sunny Hostin Outrage
  • Audio segments feature Don Lemon and Sunny Hostin criticizing fellow Democrats for "caving" to Republicans without real concessions on SNAP/ACA subsidies. [06:03 – 07:46]
    • Quote: “I think the Democrats let down the American people.” – Sunny Hostin (as summarized by Buck) [07:32]
  • Buck lampoons Hostin's bitterness and lack of tactical wisdom, joking he'd like her running Democratic strategy.

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2. John Fetterman vs. Progressive Critics: The Voice of Sanity?

• Fetterman Pushback on The View
  • Audio recap of John Fetterman clashing with Hostin over his pragmatic votes, arguing against extremism and for lessons learned after Democratic losses. [09:05 – 10:32]
  • Key Quote: "We'll forget, we got to forget some of the things that cost us that election. … We can’t return to those kinds of things and realize we need to find a way forward." – John Fetterman [10:15]
• Clay & Buck: Re-Evaluation of Fetterman
  • Clay admits he misjudged Fetterman, calling him perhaps "the sanest Democrat" in the Senate. [10:32]
    • “John Federman is wrong on some things, but he’s right on a lot. And he’s actually emerged as an articulate voice for sanity…” – Clay Travis [11:21]
  • Buck echoes this, cautioning that Fetterman's voting record is still highly progressive but credits him for public reasonableness, especially on issues like Israel and border security. [12:09]

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3. Rethinking the Filibuster on Shutdowns

• Should a Minority Be Able to Shut Down the Government?
  • Clay questions why a minority can block government funding, arguing a simple majority should suffice—just as with SCOTUS appointments. [15:14]
  • Suggests the current system creates political brinksmanship with minimal consequence and could be exploited in future cycles.

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4. Call-Ins, Historical Anecdotes, and Audience Engagement

• Listener Story: General Patton’s Death
  • John from Kentucky recounts his father driving the car during Patton's fatal accident, dismissing conspiracy theories. [23:28]
  • Clay and Buck marvel at the serendipity of such a personal historical connection and tease further conversation with Bill O’Reilly.
• Veterans Day Stories
  • Listeners call in with military family stories, including meeting General Omar Bradley and pulling George H. W. Bush from the water as a corpsman. [46:16 – 49:07]
  • Clay shares a family anecdote about Patton promising his great uncle he’d get his chance to see action against the Germans. [47:31]

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5. Interview: Dakota Meyer, Medal of Honor Recipient

Meyer's Combat Experience & Reflections [26:26 – 29:35]

• Afghanistan Story: Earning the Medal of Honor
  • Dakota recounts a harrowing mission in the Ganjgal Valley of Afghanistan, repeatedly entering enemy fire to try to rescue his team, ultimately retrieving their bodies after a devastating loss. [26:58 – 28:49]
    • "We took the gun truck that we were in, and we made multiple trips in the valley trying to get the team out… After five or six hours, we ended up… they’d all been killed." – Dakota Meyer [28:31]

The Afghanistan Withdrawal

• Meyer expresses relief that the U.S. finally left Afghanistan, though he laments the manner of the withdrawal and stresses gratefulness that “not another service member is dying in that country right now.” [29:35 – 30:17]
• On Afghan allies: Meyer stands by helping interpreters and women/children but opposes resettlement of military-age males who, in his view, should fight for their own country's future. [30:49]

Supporting Veterans: How Are We Doing?

• Dakota asserts the U.S. does more for its veterans than any other country, crediting the Vietnam generation for fighting against mistreatment, but notes ongoing efforts are needed to modernize support to meet current veterans’ needs. [32:12]
  • Quote: "I don’t know that there’s a country on the face of the planet that loves their veterans or takes care of their veterans better than the United States of America." – Dakota Meyer [32:12]

The Gender Debate and Weak Man Problem [33:07 – 39:49]

• Gender Identity & Competitions
  • Meyer (working with Jennifer Sey's Xxxy project) rails against men competing in women’s sports, calling the current debate "absolutely insane." [33:41]
  • Quote: "Every problem we have in this country is because of weak men, period. Hard stop." – Dakota Meyer [35:15]
• On Masculinity
  • Meyer argues the crisis is not "toxic masculinity" but a lack of authentic, protective masculinity; fathers (especially of daughters, as he is) are the "biggest feminists" because they want opportunities for their girls, but women should be "held up at a higher value because they are sacred." [35:15 – 36:07]
• Weaponization of Facts and "Gray Areas"
  • Meyer lambastes those who deny scientific realities, citing Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s equivocation on sexual dimorphism as emblematic of societal confusion driven by "subjective everything." [36:22 – 39:36]
    • "Everything in the world is black and white. Everything. That’s the only way you get better." – Dakota Meyer [37:04]

Concluding on Truth and Courage

• Meyer urges men to "police their own" and for society to stand up for clear truths, seeing the erosion of standards as deeply linked to America’s biggest challenges.
• Clay thanks Dakota for his service and voice, wishing him and his family a meaningful Veterans Day. [39:36 – 39:49]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Democratic Disarray:

  • "I hope [Sunny Hostin] becomes the chief strategist of the Democrat Party. I really would love to see Sunny Hostin as the person making the big calls..." – Buck Sexton [07:46]

• On John Fetterman:

  • “He’s actually emerged as an articulate voice for sanity on the Democrat side. …at least they’re rational, insane and willing to work through something as opposed to ...the AOC Mamdani wing...which is just broken brained.” – Clay Travis [11:21]

• On the Weak Man Problem:

  • "Every problem we have in this country is because of weak men, period. Hard stop." – Dakota Meyer [35:15]
  • "There’s no bigger feminist on the face of the planet than a father of daughters." – Dakota Meyer [35:38]

• On Gender Politics:

  • “Name the women that have come….to men's sports and that are there trying to take titles from men. …It's weak men who can’t compete against men, they’re going over to women and getting in their sports.” – Dakota Meyer [38:24]

• On Truth and Gray Areas:

  • "[In the gray area] Everything is subjective. It’s not objective. …That’s where depression, brain, variety live. …Everything in the world is black and white.” – Dakota Meyer [36:43 – 37:04]

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Important Timestamps

• [03:01] – Show returns from break, sets Veterans Day context and teases Dakota Meyer interview
• [04:14 – 07:46] – Don Lemon & Sunny Hostin meltdown over Democrats ending shutdown; Buck & Clay commentary
• [09:05 – 10:32] – John Fetterman pushes back against The View; discussion on Democratic messaging
• [15:14 – 16:44] – Clay proposes filibuster reform for government funding votes
• [23:28 – 24:59] – Caller recounts family connection to General Patton’s accident
• [26:26 – 39:49] – Dakota Meyer interview (Afghan War story, views on veteran care, Afghanistan withdrawal, gender/masculinity debate)
• [35:15 – 36:07] – “The weak man problem” and masculinity/fatherhood quote
• [46:16 – 49:07] – Listener calls and emails with Veterans Day family stories (Bush rescue, General Bradley, Patton anecdote)
• [39:49] – Closing thanks to Dakota Meyer for service and standing up for sanity

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Summary Takeaways

• The government shutdown ended amid Democratic infighting, with key moderates breaking ranks and commentators like Don Lemon and Sunny Hostin furious at party leadership.
• John Fetterman is viewed—surprisingly by both hosts—as a rare "voice of reason" in the Democratic Senate, advocating for less extremism and more pragmatic governance.
• Both hosts support filibuster reform for government funding, warning of future political brinksmanship.
• Dakota Meyer’s appearance offers a sobering reflection on Afghanistan, direct criticisms of the current gender debate, and a forceful advocacy for the revitalizing role of masculine virtue—framing "weak men" as the root of national problems.
• Veterans Day calls and stories personalize the episode, reinforcing gratitude to veterans and their families.

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This episode is a dense, candid mix of headline analysis, cultural critique, and powerful storytelling—bound together by its reverence for military service and its challenge to prevailing progressive orthodoxies.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Veterans Day edition of the program. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through as we are rolling through the Tuesday Veterans Day edition of the program. I am live in a new studio, and if you just were watching on video and saw me turn to the right, it's because at any given moment, anything can happen, anything can fall in the studio. But all is well. And we are getting a ton of fantastic calls from so many of you talking about a variety of different topics. We've talked about Scott Bessant and the economy. We've talked about Schumer and whether or not he's in trouble as the shutdown is now over. And I thought we could have some fun here in hour three. And we'll continue to take your calls because you guys are calling in with some fantastic takes here on Veterans Day. And we're going to be joined by Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer at the bottom of this hour, which should be pretty outstanding. But Buck Democrats are in such disarray that right now, Don Lemon and Sunny Hostin are losing their minds over the shutdown ending. And I do think it's worth mentioning for everybody out there, remember that they were telling us just a couple of days ago, everyone is basically gonna die because SNAP is not going out to everyone. That is the, the, the meals. Uh, and, oh, my goodness, how in the world can we deal with the. With all of this not being back open? Remember, that was only a couple days ago. So then Democrats decide, you know what, let's go ahead, and we'll open back up the government. Eight Senate Democrats decide that they're willing to support that. Um, and suddenly all of the dire consequences from the government being shut down are gone. And instead, everybody is just furious. And by everybody, I mean even people like Don Lemon and Sonny Hostin. So let's start with Don Lemon angry at the Democrats for bending the knee to King Donald and opening back up the government.

[Buck Sexton]

Look, don't let us bend you. The Democrats caved. People have been asking me what Democrats caved. I want to know. We need to know. Okay, so these are the Democrats who voted to Kate. To the Republicans. Eight Democratic senators are Dick Durbin Maggie.

Hassan, Angus King, Catherine Cortez Masto, Tim.

Kaine, Jean Shaheen, Jackie Rosen and John Fetterman.

[Clay Travis]

They joined the 52 Republicans in this.

[Buck Sexton]

Procedural vote to reopen the government without a guaranteed extension of health care subsidies. Just a promise to pick it up and maybe vote on it in December. Come on now.

[Clay Travis]

All right, Don Lemon's unhappy. Let me hit you with where those senators are from because I don't think it's a coincidence. Gene Shaheen and Maggie Hassan, New Hampshire, It's Senator Tim Kaine. Virginia. Remember Senator Tim Kaine, famously Buck, Hillary Clinton's running mate. He is still in the Senate, still in Virginia. I know nobody's really talked about him since Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois, number two Democrat, he has retiring Federman of Pennsylvania, Cortez Masto and Jackie Rosen of Nevada, a state that Trump won by five points. And I don't think it's a surprise that they would be nervous about what might be coming down the pike as Nevada looks like maybe a state that is moving much more significantly into the red column going forward. Now. Also, Sunny Hostin was angry and we got a fun go back and forth argument coming up between Sunny Hostin and John Federman in a moment. First, Sunny Hostin angry that Democrats have eight of them that we just named have voted to open along with the independent that that caucuses with the Democrats, Angus King of Maine, that they have voted eight of them did to open back up the government.

[Buck Sexton]

Listen, this was a choice by Republicans.

To cut SNAP benefits.

[Clay Travis]

This was a choice by Republicans to cut ACA subsidies.

[Buck Sexton]

This was a choice by the Republicans.

To gut the federal government and federal employment.

Democrats had nothing to do with it.

I want an opposition party.

[Clay Travis]

I think the Democrats ca.

[Buck Sexton]

I think the Democrats let down the American people.

And like you, Whoopi, I have absolutely.

[Clay Travis]

No faith that the Republican Party will.

[Buck Sexton]

Come to the negotiating table in good faith.

I hope she becomes the chief strategist of the Democrat Party. I really would love to see Sunny Hostin as the person making the big calls for Democrats going forward because I think you have to give credit where it's due. She is world class when it comes to bitterness and also a complete and utter lack of tactics and wisdom when it comes to politics. So, yeah, let's, let's have Sunny Hostin be the one who determines what the Democrat Party is going to do. The Democrats caused the shutdown. People figured that out this time. Yeah, there was not some way they were going to make this the Republicans fault the way that they have been able to in the past. And so their big enemy here was reality. The enemy was just the obvious. And that is often the case with Democrats. But this time around, they weren't able to get around that with just endless propaganda.

[Clay Travis]

No doubt. And speaking of endless propaganda, our good friend Sunny Hostin, the woman that Buck, would like to be in charge of all Democrat messaging, boy, would that be fun. John Fetterman was on the View and Sonny Hostin and John Fetterman, AKA the current sanest Democrat in the country, went at it over Fetterman's consistent votes to reopen the government. Here is what that sounded like.

[Buck Sexton]

Poll after poll found more Americans on.

Both sides of the aisle blaming Republicans.

Even Marjorie Taylor Greene blamed the gop. As you mentioned, Democrats had big wins last week, so you had momentum.

[Clay Travis]

Why give in now?

[Buck Sexton]

Why bring a butter knife to a gunfight?

Are you willing to gamble that the GOP will negotiate on health care in good faith once the government reopens?

[Clay Travis]

Because if that gamble is wrong, half.

[Buck Sexton]

A million million Pennsylvanians that you represent.

[Clay Travis]

Their health care costs will skyrocket.

[Buck Sexton]

If you are wrong, and I believe you are wrong.

Well, first of all, MTG is quite literally the last person in America that I'm going to take advice or to get their kinds of my leadership and values. And now if Democrats are celebrating crazy pants like that, then that's on them. And I don't need a lecture, I don't need a lecture from, from whether it's Bernie or the governor in California because they are representing very deep blue kinds of populations. And a those things, a lot of those things were part of the extreme. And now remember what really needs to win, to win the big win is involving my state and other states and those things. And why have we arrived here after the election a year ago? We want to forget, we got to forget some of the things that cost us that election. Or now for me, that's why I'm trying to remind people that kind of the extremism. We can't return to those kinds of things and realize we need to find a way forward.

[Clay Travis]

Would you have ever believed. I, I've said it on the program before, but I do think it's worth reiterating. I think the thing that I was most wrong about on the program in terms of analyzing people, I thought that John Fetterman was going to be the most disastrous senator in the entire country. After watching that campaign against Dr. Oz. I still wish Pennsylvania had voted for Dr. Oz. I still think that would be better if there were a Republican in that seat. Having said that, John Federman is wrong on some things, but he's right on a lot. And he's actually emerged as an articulate voice for sanity on the Democrat side. And there's not even any competition that I can see for a sane take. And I know we didn't play it, but I give credit to Dave McCormick, who we've had on this program a lot, for working with Fetterman and for Fetterman being consistent in the belief that shutting down the government didn't make any sense and being one of the same Democrats voting for a long time to reopen the government. So look, are there lots of things that I would disagree with John Fetterman on? Yes, but if there were 35 more Sean Fetterman, John Fetterman, would the country be in a better place? I think yes, because at least they're rational, insane and willing to work through something as opposed to the AOC Mamdani wing of the Democrat Party, which is just broken brained and has no legitimate ideas for rational thought on any basis.

[Buck Sexton]

I think we've been very fair in the way that Fetterman, after he became a senator, has spoken about things. His voting record is a little more of a concern because he votes with the craziest a lot of the time. Not surprising for a Democrat. But he's, I think we, we should never lose sight of that. But he certainly has said more reasonable things about more issues than pretty much any other Senate Democrat I could think of. I might be leaving somebody out, but he has, he has been, dare I say, a voice of reason within the Democrat Party on, on a whole range of things, certainly on Israel, but also on the, on the border. And he has been somebody who does not play the game the way that many anticipated he would, which would be to just say the what, whatever the mandatory maxims of the left may be in the moment, he has not gone along with that. Now maybe this is because he's in a purple state, a red purple state and he wants to have a long career and doesn't want to go the crazy town. This is like I always, you know, I don't want anyone on the right giving and giving us a hard time, for example, about Susan Collins, because it's like she's probably the best you're going to do for a Maine senator, given that, you know, she's as good as Susan Collins for Maine. That's as good as you're going to get. I don't think you're going to have somebody who is much more reliable as a Republican in that state. So Fetterman in a sense is also reflective of the state that he represents insofar as he's not hard left. It's not New York, it's not California.

[Clay Travis]

I, I think also to your point, yes, he's being rational because he is in a toss up state. You know who's not Warnock and Ossif in Georgia. So yes, he's in a purple state and that is a rational choice. Mark Kelly and Gallego in Arizona are both Democrats in a state that Trump won by five points and they didn't vote to end the shutdown. So even in states where you would argue it is in the rational self interest of Democrats to not be left wingers, like Arizona, like frankly Georgia states that Trump won in, heck, Michigan states that Trump won that still have double Democrat Senate representation, it is a, it is a sign of progress for Fetterman, but also it illuminates the futility of other rational Democrats to join him in just again, to your point, he's, he disagrees with the Republicans on a ton. But on should the government stay open, which is kind of a fundamental question, it seems pretty significant that we should stay open. And now that this shutdown has been resolved, Buck, I do think we can spin this forward. If we have decided that for Supreme Court justices a simple majority can get somebody on the Supreme Court.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

Why would we not have a conversation about not allowing a minority party to shut down the government? Shouldn't if you have a majority, you not have to get to 60 votes to keep the government open? I understand this idea of the filibuster is important and I think it's important when it comes to things like, hey, should we make Puerto Rico a state, should make Washington D.C. estate, should we expand the Supreme Court? Those are really significant issues that I think you should have to get to 60 on. I would say this if Democrats had control of the government too. I don't think it's smart to allow the government to be shut down until 60 senators will vote for the government to be back open. Because my concern is all we've really seen in this 40 day test case is there aren't really very many consequences for shutting down the government. Democrats want to keep the government shut down. Why would they not do this during the 2028 election cycle or during the 2026 election cycle if they have the ability to do so and they see it as politically beneficial even if they don't have control of Congress? Does that make sense. Like if I had to rank the significance of a Supreme Court justice or a government shutdown, Supreme Court justice feels far more significant to me. I think we need to eliminate this loophole, in my opinion, and stop the government from being able to be shut down in this, in this method.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I don't think you should be able to hold the hold the funding of the government hostage for any pet issue. You decide you want to make some big problem of that. That that to me seems like not what the system should be allowing. We'll see. If something in your life gets more expensive, you look for ways to find savings in other areas. Cell phone service may be one of those areas. So if you haven't switched your cell phone service to PureTalk, this is an immediate savings opportunity. I'm talking about at least 50 bucks a month, if not more. And that's without sacrificing any quality. PureTalk gives you unlimited talk, text and plenty of data on a super fast 5G network using the same towers as one of the big companies for just $25 a month. Switching to PureTalk is a common sense thing to do. Just dial pound 250 say Clay and Buck and their US customer service team will help you switch in minutes. Plus right now you'll save 50% off your first month. Find savings with your first wireless bill. Dial pound 250 our names Clay and Buck. They'll connect you with PureTalk's US based customer service team. They'll get you set up today, in minutes, not hours. Dial pound250, say Clay and Buck to get hooked up with PureTalk.

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[Clay Travis]

John in Kentucky says we had a caller who said that there's the conspiracy out there about exactly what happened. Did Patton die in the traffic accident or not? You say your dad was driving the car when Patton was killed? When he died in the car accident.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, he was.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, well what did your dad tell you about that?

[Buck Sexton]

He actually died nine days later. He was driving a 38 Cadillac limo and Patton was sitting in the back on the edge of the seat as usual and they were waiting for a train to pass and he passed, he pulled away, got up to about 25 miles an hour and there was a personnel carrier about a quarter mile down the road that pulled out at the same time. And when they got to each other, the personnel carrier turned right into the Cadillac. And Patton flew forward, hit his forehead on the partition between the front, the back, scalped his scalp himself and broke his neck.

[Clay Travis]

And so from your perspective, your dad told you there is no conspiracy there. It's for people out there that have bought not believe that this was a traffic accident and it was a freak accident in some way based on the speed the patent died.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, my dad never talked about any conspiracies about it or anything like that. But I mean, there's three drunk ti's that all disappeared. You know, they were in the, they were in the personnel carrier and, you know, Pat was starting to do a lot better and then he died just all of a sudden.

[Clay Travis]

Well, thank you. That's an un. Well, that's. Thank you for the call and thank for your, thank you for your dad's service. It's kind of crazy, Buck. We say, hey, there's a conspiracy out there about how Patton died in a car accident. And we're gonna talk about that with Bill O'Reilly. And then one of our listeners calls in and said, oh yeah, it was my dad driving the car. There's nothing to it. You can grab that and we'll ask Bill O'Reilly about it. You and I both said, hey, we're not super sophisticated when it comes to knowledge on that story. So thanks for the call.

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[Clay Travis]

Now by Dakota Meyer, Medal of Honor recipient. And we're going to get into a bunch of different stories, but we appreciate you making the time and appreciate all your service. I thought we would just start. I know you've got the Medal of Honor. I haven't heard you tell a story about how that Medal of Honor came to be. I believe it was in Afghanistan about a little bit less than 20 years ago. Can you share with us the story of what happened that. That led to you becoming a Medal of Honor recipient?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. No. Thank you so much for having me. It's an honor. No, I was in Afghanistan. I was part of an embedded training team in 2009, and basically, it was four US NAD Afghans on a base. And our job was to mentor, to train to. And to kind of, you know, teach them our tactics and things like that. And. And so we'd gone in. We were going to run this mission into a place called the Gangegal Valley. There's going to be a big mission, a bunch of teams coming together. I was on a team with Lieutenant Johnson, Gurney, Kenneth, and Doc Layton. And then. So we've gone in this. This. We go down this valley, we meet up, we get our mission brief, and then the next morning, we. We go and start, you know, to perform this patrol. And I was left with the vehicles, and I was replaced with a guy named Gunnery Sergeant Johnson. And so, as you know, they. They entered the village. It's the typical story of that. We'd been set up, and so they'd been set up, and gunfight started, and my team ended up getting cut off by the enemy and separated from the rest of the group. And so after hearing the, you know, over the radio how dire the situation was, myself and a driver knew we had to do something. So we took the gun truck that we were in, and we made multiple trips in the valley trying to get the team out. And then, you know, after five or six hours, we ended up. We'd lost contact with them and then finally located them, and they'd all been killed.

[Clay Travis]

Wow.

[Buck Sexton]

And then could please continue on so that. What. At that point, what did you. What did you do?

Dakota Fish recovered the bodies and brought him back out. You know, fought our way back out. And then, yeah, I stayed there for another few months and then came home after that.

[Clay Travis]

It's an extraordinary story.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm wondering, Dakota, there's a few things we wanted to talk to you about today, including how we're caring for and how we're keeping the sacred promise to Our veterans after their service. Veterans like yourself and the millions of others who serve, particularly in the G WAD era of Iraq and Afghanistan, who have come out. But what was your thought when the Biden administration had the pullout from Afghanistan, a place where you saw considerable combat and the folding the Afghan. Because you were effectively involved in training Afghan units. Right. At one point, were you surprised at how it all ended in Afghanistan or was that along with what your expectations were?

Yeah, I mean, we should have pulled out of Afghanistan. I mean, you know, we should have pulled out Afghanistan a long time ago. You know, I mean, the only thing I'll say about the pull out of Afghanistan is thank God that somebody did it. Outside of that, you know, I definitely, we all can have some opinions on, on how it went down and things like that, but I mean, look, I mean, how much longer? Look, at the end of the day, what I am so thankful for is that not another service member is dying in that country right now. You know, we've got to change up the way that we fight wars. I mean, we've got like, that's, that's the real problem to this whole thing. You know, I don't know. I don't know what would been a great way to pull out of Afghanistan, but I'm just thankful that we did.

But I, I'm all. I was also particularly curious, Dakota, about your assessment. You know, I was in country with the CIA in, God, I can't remember now, 2009 or 2002, 2010, sorry, 2010. And, and I was looking at all the assessments that the four star was getting and it, it looked bleak in 2010. To your point about pulling out sooner when the Afghans that we had trained and mentor for so long just, I mean, they just. There was no fight against the Taliban. Was that along with your expectations or was that a surprise?

I mean, I mean, absolutely, but this is like, this is more my frustration part is with, you know, everybody advocating for, Look, I brought my interpreter over and I think that anybody we made a promise to, we should 100%, you know, fulfill that promise. But here's, here's where my stance is on this thing is, look, bring any of the women and children over, but you're, if you're a military age male, you don't get to come to the United States because you don't get to live off the freedom on the backs of our service members. You need to fight for your own. Coming here is not going to be what's going to fix your country. We need People that are going to fight for what's right. We stood over there and our people were dying for 20 some years to try to help them build up their country, to help build up an infrastructure. And, you know, what are we going to do? Right. What are we going to do?

Yeah. I wanted to ask you one more thing, Dakota, before we transition actually into something else. The. The fight for gender rights that I know that you are, or rather just for gender, which Clay and I definitely want to talk to you about, because that's something we talk about a lot here on the show. But as it is Veterans Day, how are we doing in your mind of honoring, supporting, and keeping the promise of the American people to our veterans, given the wars that we've been fighting and the operational tempo that many of them have seen?

Yeah, I mean, I think that first off, I don't know that there's a country on the face of the planet that loves their veterans or takes care of their veterans better than the United States of America. You know, look, the Vietnam generation made sure that our generation would never deal with that again. Right. They fought so hard to make sure that that wasn't going to happen over again. You know, I think. I think obviously there's more to do. I think that we can always do more. We could do better. But I'll tell you what, I don't. I don't think. I don't think it's not from a lack of trying or effort. I just think that we've got to evolve the way that we're doing things. Right. I think that we've got to evolve the services. You know, we've got to make things current as to what the needs of today's veterans are and not what they were 10 years ago.

You know what I mean?

Like, I think that's kind of where we're at right now. I do think that there's tons of things out there, but I think we could always do better, for sure.

[Clay Travis]

Dakota, I know. Again, thanks for your service. I know you're doing work with our friend Jennifer C. Jennifer say, who has a great company, xxxy, and you're motivated because you have a couple of daughters. I know the Olympic committee right now is saying, hey, we're going to adjust gender policy. Would you have ever believed growing up that we'd be in a position where you would have to say, hey, men can't compete in women's sports and that that would be considered in any way a controversial opinion to have?

[Buck Sexton]

No, it's crazy. I mean, it's Absolutely insane. I think. I think what made me really realize how insane it had gotten was whenever President Trump got, you know, he got sworn in and his first executive order was that there's only two genders. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah, it is, right? I mean, like. Like, it's. It's crazy because we all know it, and even the people who are trying to pretend that it's not. We all know it. We all know it. And, no, it's absolutely insane. But I'll tell you. And obviously, you were in Afghanistan, you know, name a country that's thriving or that's doing good that doesn't respect its women.

Yeah, it's not possible.

[Clay Travis]

I've said Dakota. It's actually interesting in that way. You can look at women's World cup soccer matches, and you can almost pick the winner just by determining which country has more rights for women. And I wish that our soccer team had been more aggressive in making that case, because, I mean, it's not going to shock you, but if you can't wear shorts, you're probably going to have difficulty. Being one of the best women's soccer players of all time, I would just toss out there. And sadly, that's the case in a bunch of countries.

[Buck Sexton]

It's tough to play soccer in a burqa, for sure.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, for sure.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

Well, I've never tried, but, yeah, it definitely looks tough, you know, but. But I just think, you know, but I do want to, like, put the blame where the blame goes, right? So the blame is absolutely 100% on men, right? We have weak men. Every problem we have in this country is because of weak men, period.

Hard.

Stop. Every problem we have is because of weak men. And until we start policing our own, and still until we stop and we start fighting this idea of toxic masculinity. Masculinity is dest. Desperately needed right now, Matt. Not toxic, but masculinity is for sure. And look, there's no bigger feminist on the face of the planet than a father of daughters. Like, I want my daughters to be able to have any experience. They want to be as equal. They have equal rights to any other human being on the face of the planet. But what I don't want them to be is I don't want them to be equally valued as men. They should be held up at a higher value because they are sacred. They are. They are sacred. Women are sacred. That's the reason they carry kids. That's the reason they reproduce. Right? Like, they are sacred and very, very valuable. And we Must protect that.

These, these individuals who are making this argument that I don't know how many of these you've seen, for example, Dakota, but you even had esteemed scientists, Clay. What was his name?

[Clay Travis]

Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

[Buck Sexton]

Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Thank you. Who went on Bill Maher show. And when Bill Maher looked at him and said, we all know that men have a biological, a physical advantage in size, strength, speed over women, right? This scientist, this man of science said, well, I do not know that. What is that? How does that happen in society?

Well, I mean, you have to think about this. Everything has been weaponized, right? Like it's not about facts. Everything has become. When, when you take. And this is. This is where it starts to come in. You know, have you heard this concept where people think, well, everything's gray. No, it's not. Because you know what happens in the gray? There is nothing. Everything is. Everything is subjective. It's not objective. There's no right and wrong. There's no accountability. There's no win or loss. I mean, and that's what's happened. Is, is, is, is. You know how you change the truth one word at a time, one word at a time. And that's what they're doing. And in this gray area is where depression, brain, variety live. And you know how you get gray? Let's go back to art class. You take black and white and you mix it together until there's no definitive color between the two and you get gray. Everything in the world is black and white. Everything. That's the only way you get better. It's the only way that there is. There is empowerment is when there is right and wrong, good and evil. Like, and that is the way. That's the only way to get through things. Like that's the only way to become better people. That's the only way for a civilization to still thrive, for societies to exist is if there are those lines so that the parameters that people can live in, right? And so, you know, these, these people that don't want to do this and that's what they're doing is now they have gone at. They're going at everything. I mean, it's going at everything that we have. There's no. I mean, they started in sports, right? And you know what?

[Clay Travis]

Oh yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Worst part of it is. The worst part of it is this, is that how many women name. Name the women that have come. Came to men's sports and that are there trying to take titles from men.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. It doesn't exist, of course yeah, yeah, because it's weak.

[Buck Sexton]

Men who can't compete against men, they're going over to women and getting in their sports and competing against women. We. Is absolutely insane in the sheer fact. And so when you go back to the original question you asked me, I mean, it's kind of like our doctors, right? Like when the people who are writing, who are. Who are, you know, selling the prescriptions are writing the. The protocols for the doctors. Well, guess what? You're. Guess what you're gonna have. You're not gonna have doctors who are free thinking and who are making medical treatments better and who are going out and trying to make people better. You're going to have people who are just managing. Managing the, you know, the. The protocols. You don't have doctors. You have people managing the protocols. Scientists. Like everything is agenda. It's all. It's all subjective. And so, yeah, I mean, look, this guy is standing back because he doesn't want to take a stance, because at any point in time that he takes a stance or makes a statement of something, of what something is or what something isn't, then he has to be prepared to defend it. And we don't have people who are willing to stand up and defend things like that.

[Clay Travis]

Well said. Thank you for your service, Dakota. Thank you for continuing to speak out for truth, honesty, and frankly, basic human sanity. Good luck with those girls and I hope you have a good Veterans Day, sir.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you so much. Have a good day.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

You Veterans Day I want to say thank you to all of the veterans across America. We truly thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Thank you for your service. We have so many of you who listen to this show. It is a great honor that you spend your time with us and that you trust us to speak honestly about issues including of war and peace and national security. We have so many writing in clay and calling in with their own stories of family service. Just we were there's so many of them. We should get them all. Here you go. VIP email from Jessica. My grandfather was one of the corpsmen that pulled the former President Bush out of the water when his plane went down. He served on nine different ships. William Hersey of New Hampshire so very cool we're getting so many of these. Syracuse, this is talkback DD Play this one. Clay and Buck before it was Veterans Day, it was Armistice Day and my great great aunt was the one that carried the flag through Paris when the surrender happened at the end of World War I.

[Clay Travis]

Very cool. I should mention we were talking about Patton, my great uncle. So my grandmother's brothers, they served and Patton once stopped in front of him, Buck and asked if he had gotten to kill any Germans yet. And when he said no, he was a young guy who had just gotten overseas into Europe. He said, you're gonna get your chance. Which he loved telling that story and it is a pretty cool story. Let's see. Margaret, let's go. Teresa in San Antonio. Fire away.

[Buck Sexton]

Let me give a shout out and.

A thank you to the veteran who called in with the story about Omar Bradley at Fort Bliss. And I'm wondering if he ever met my dad. I grew up around Fort Bliss because my dad was a retired Air Force colonel and then moved to El Paso. We were at Fort Bliss all the time and my dad became friends with General Bradley and I was a little girl.

[Clay Travis]

But I would go to lunch with him because during the summer my dad.

[Buck Sexton]

Would take me to the pool. We'd meet General Bradley at the Officers Club, eat lunch, and then I'd go.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Who he was, but I remember my.

[Clay Travis]

Dad talking to him.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Questions about school and if I'd only.

[Buck Sexton]

Known, you know, what questions to ask him. But I heard the gentleman call in that he had had lunch with him at Fort Bliss. I wonder if he ever knew my dad. But it was amazing experience. My dad ended up getting close to him. Thank you.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you for that story. So many amazing stories. Thank you to all the veterans.

[Buck Sexton]

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