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Clay Travis
Welcome back in hour number three, Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Buck is on in the Mediterranean on the French Riviera, living it up with advertisers at the Cannes Advertising Festival. Everybody's over there. It's bringing in a lot more revenue for us here on the program as suddenly everybody wants to buy ads here. We thank you for supporting the show, our 555 affiliate stations in all 50 states, plus all of you listening on podcast out there. We head now down to Nashville, my hometown, where the attorney general of the state of Tennessee, my home state, has won a huge Supreme Court victory this morning. By a 6 to 3 margin, the Supreme Court affirmed the state of Tennessee's right to restrict so called gender surgery treatments, however you want to classify it for minors living in the state of Tennessee. And the man who helped to argue that case and construct the defense of the law passed by the Tennessee state legislature is the Attorney general of Tennessee, Jonathan Scrametti. He joins us now. First of all, congrats. And what's it like? How do you become aware that you have won a big case like this? Where were you taking, does your phone blow up? I mean, that's gotta be a pretty amazing feeling. What was that like?
Senator Bill Cassidy
Well, it's, I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy. You know, I did not expect it to come out today. I thought we'd have another week or so to wait. And then all of a sudden my solicitor general, Matt Rice, who argued the case in the Supreme Court, said it's out. And then we immediately scrambled to read it and see what happened. And I still haven't been through all of the opinions, working my way through them. But yeah, my phone absolutely blew up. We've been doing a bunch of media stuff. Senator Blackburn and I did a press conference on AI a few minutes ago too. So there was a little break from the Supreme Court stuff. But it's been a busy day. I mean, people care a lot about this issue. We have fought so hard on it. We've taken so much fire for it. It is really vindicating to come out with the win.
Clay Travis
All right. I think you're one of the best attorney general, smartest. I'm not just saying this because you happen to be in my state. I think if you look at the data, you have been on the right side of a lot of these issues. Having said that, would you have ever believed that you would need to argue that you can't do these surgeries on minor children when in the context of body alteration, it's been common sense for generations that for instance, a 15 year old couldn't get a full back tattoo virtually anywhere, that no parent would be allowed to do that. It's kind of staggering that we got here.
Senator Bill Cassidy
Isn't is incredible how fast everything has moved. But that comes on the back of decades and decades of academic work by people who are, you know, really focused on the ideology. And what we saw when we put this case together, what we saw, because Alabama had been litigating it and their attorney general Steve Marshall had been fighting really hard, is that all the science underlying giving these treatments to kids was fraudulent, that it had been doctored in ways that were particularly designed to affect the outcomes in court. And so it's just built on a house of sand. And you see even these countries in Europe, you know, the UK and Sweden and Norway and all these countries which are by no means conservative, but as they look at the evidence coming in, they've said we can't do this to our kids. There's huge risk, there's little if any benefit. So you know, it's wild that we have seen such big changes. I think what we're seeing now is a course correction and people realizing that as real as these feelings are for kids, as hard as it is to deal with gender dysphoria, the evidence just does not support these treatments for them.
Clay Travis
Okay, so six three Supreme Court says the state of Tennessee can do this. This means that other states out there are also able to put in place similar laws as the one Tennessee has. But it also means that I would imagine other states are not required to follow this law. They can pass their own laws. What are your thoughts as the attorney general of Tennessee on the idea of a Tennessee kid, let's say, going to Illinois or New York or California? Do you think this should be something looked at on a federal level? How do you look at those kind of decisions? Someone leaving the state to have a surgery that wouldn't be allowed in Tennessee.
Senator Bill Cassidy
So the Constitution gives each state a lot of authority about what goes on in state. You know, I've certainly got very strong personal opinions about this, but legally, you know, what we can do in Tennessee is stop stuff from coming in from other states. So if a doctor is trying to send hormones into the state for kid, you know, that's against Tennessee law. We could do something about that. You know, there are certain laws that can deal with, you know, folks who aren't the parents trying to take kids out of state, but there are still some really complicated legal issues out there. And I think, you know, I suspect that at the end of the day, this is going to be resolved by the medical evidence as opposed to by litigation. I think you're seeing a lot of momentum on the side of however serious a problem this is. Permanent, irreversible treatments for kids is not the answer. You know, most kids outgrow feelings of gender confusion and so subjecting them to these procedures that will sterilize them, that can eliminate any sort of sexual function, that cause all sorts of potential development issues both physically and cognitively, you know, the science just isn't there. And my hope is that as people pull back from the culture war, pull back from the ideology and, and just look at what the medical research tells us, you're going to see a lot of these hard left states move in the direction Tennessee has gone, not because they're culture warriors, but because they're rational.
Clay Travis
That's well said. Also, it would suggest, and again, I know you're the attorney general, but that I would imagine we both have law degrees here to what you just said. As kids are aging and there are not an insubstantial number of these kids that are growing into adults and deciding, boy, I wish I had never done this surgery. I want to de. Transition. I would think a lot of these kids who were minors when they had surgery would have really compelling lawsuit opportunities as plaintiffs against the doctors and hospitals that operated on them as minors. Wouldn't there be, in your mind, some claims out there that are likely to be moving through the court system, which in addition to all of the investigatory data that is saying, hey, this is not actually making kids healthier or better off. There's also potentially the liability from a civil perspective that many of these doctors and hospitals might be facing.
Senator Bill Cassidy
I think that's absolutely a consideration. And you know, particularly when you look at the people who are pushing the fraudulent research, you know that that is difficult to defend. And of course there are jurisdictional issues. People have to have a cause of action to bring. But I certainly would be pretty nervous if I were somebody who had been doing this. You know, it's still relatively early for large numbers of people to be getting these treatments. And as time goes on, you know, it's inevitable that the number of detransitioners goes up, maybe goes up very quickly to a very big number. You know, there is a lot of potential exposure there, and I'm sure that there are lawyers on both sides of the V looking at what that might.
Clay Travis
Portend Talking to the Attorney General of Tennessee, Jonathan Scarmetti, Big six three win. On behalf of the state as it pertains to these treatments, I think that's important. I started off the show talking about having a great deal of empathy and sympathy for a lot of these kids who are being led astray. But also parents, I'm sure you've heard more than anybody you got ready for the this case. The number of times that you're heard, oh, you can either have a live, you know, daughter or a dead son or some variation of that that a medical professional would tell a parent, which is a form of emotional blackmail that I'm not sure most parents are prepared to deal with, because the idea of something like suicide is so awful for so many parents out there to think about. This is. This is really kind of staggering that it became a commonplace argument. Did you feel that way also, just even stepping a bit out of the law and looking at the larger culture surrounding this discussion?
Senator Bill Cassidy
So I think the single biggest thing that happened at the argument in this case was when Chase Strangio, the ACLU lawyer on it, conceded that this does not have an effect on suicide rates because that is what's been used to push a lot of parents. And listen, this is really hard for kids. This is really hard for their parents. They are dealing with a very confusing and complicated issue. And there's been such an ideological influence on how this is discussed that, you know, what's best for your kid gets tied up with somebody else's political agenda. And I have a lot of sympathy for families that are dealing with this. We all need to be thoughtful and supportive. And I mean, this is a hard, hard thing. So I'm hoping that by shining the light on the debate about medical evidence and by bringing the actual evidence to the forefront, and that's what the court did. I mean, this is squarely about the legislature's ability to evaluate evidence and reach a decision in the medical context. I'm hoping that by talking about the evidence, we're able to bring some more clarity and some comfort to families and not just have this be a snap decision based on, you know, who they voted for for president or who they're talking to and what they care about politics. This is a really serious medical issue, and I don't think we've been doing right by our kids.
Clay Travis
Did you expect this result? It's always hard for anybody out there that is trying to analyze questions and. And the overall oral argument aspect of this. Were you confident this would be the result? What did you expect, and how does it comport with the result now that you have it?
Senator Bill Cassidy
So, argument went really well. You know, I thought our briefing was great. I have a phenomenal team here. They did a really, really, really good job. They worked hard on this. But you never. You never want to be confident. I mean, the justices have months and months to go over this. They could have come up with with some issues that we hadn't even thought about. You know, they're looking at the effect of their decision on the law as a whole. There were a bunch of different ways the Court could have gone to give us a win here. And I think the Chief justice very carefully chose a narrow path that really focuses on the fact that we're talking about kids and medical treatment. This is not a case about transgender status. This is not a case about sex discrimination. You know, necessarily, you have to take into account whether somebody's a boy or a girl when you're looking at how medications affect them, because there is a physical difference sometimes. And I thought this opinion did a really good job of walking through why this is not a big ideological issue, but simply a traditional look at how legislatures regulate the practice of medicine, which is something they've been doing for hundreds of years.
Clay Travis
Last question for you, and maybe there's an answer different than this. It seemed, as I have had a chance to look at this, that treating trans people as not a protected class is a significant component of this ruling. Was there anything else that you've picked up on that you think is significant not only for this case, but going forward so far that may not be getting talked about enough or discussed?
Senator Bill Cassidy
So, you know, there was talk about whether the Court should look at whether transgender status is a protected class. And the Chief justice said, we don't have to get there, because this isn't about a law that's directed at transgender people. It's about a law that's directed at medical treatments for kids. So there was a concurrence by Justice Barrett that Justice Thomas joined that said, well, we don't think it's a protected class, and here's why. There was an opinion by Justice Alito that said, I'm not sure the court's really able to duck this question. So this is looming out there. There will probably be more litigation on that front, given how aggressive Tennessee's legislature has been on these issues and how aggressive we've been litigating them. You know, we may well be in the middle of that going forward, but there are still open questions here that the Court's gonna have to answer at some point.
Clay Travis
Well, congratulations. Thank you. On behalf of Tennesseans for sure, but also many people across the nation listening to us who feel like you have won a big battle for sanity and for parents and for kids that are dealing with difficult issues out there. So thank you. Congratulations and we appreciate the time.
Senator Bill Cassidy
Thank you.
Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
Oh, boy. We got a lot of you weighing in on earlier conversations, Dan. Let's. Let's hit a bunch of your talkbacks. Caller was upset because I had used the word boobs, and a lot of you have been weighing in on what I should say instead. Katie says, just say mammary glands and also say that men are just sperm creators. Let's go to. That's a good email, Katie. I appreciate it. Get your. Get your funny bones ready because they're about to be tickled. Sound like an old man there. There's a good phrase for you. Dan from Florida. What do you. What should I do? I use melons or jugs.
Senator Bill Cassidy
That's most appropriate, I think.
Clay Travis
Jeremy and Fresno. What should I call them?
Senator Bill Cassidy
Definitely call them chesticles.
Clay Travis
Adam in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. What do I. What should I do?
H
Hey, Clay.
Clay Travis
I. I would have just wanted to.
H
Set Bazungas and just made him super happy.
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Clay Travis
Eric in San Diego says you can use anything you want to. There is boobies, tatas, puppies, knockers. Just use what you want to. It's a free world. Nobody should be upset about that. Well, Stephen from Raleigh, he's upset because he says I cuss way too much. Listen, Travis thinks that he doesn't cuss very often. Absurd. He cusses ridiculously too much. I do do. Like, where is that? What is that based on? I don't believe I have ever cursed meaning something that is prohibited from being said on the air ever in my national radio career. Now I've probably just jinxed myself. Producer Ali, do I have, like, a truly salty mouth on the radio? Like, where is Stephen from Raleigh coming in. I can only think he's thinking about.
Whitney Cummings
X. I don't know. Not on the radio.
Clay Travis
Okay, maybe on X, I guess, but I don't even curse that much there. Charles in Fort Smith are. The number of you weighing in is pretty great. Charles in Fort Smith, Arkansas. Come on, Clay.
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Boobies are memory glands. And the sophisticated world. Let's get with it.
Clay Travis
Mammary glands. Greg. Well, we don't have time. We'll get some of your calls. Senator from Louisiana, Cassidy is going to join us here at the bottom of the hour. We'll be back with him. Feels like we've had almost every member of the Republican Senate on the show in the last week or so. One of the benefits of being up in D.C. and beyond. So we will talk with Senator Cassidy when we come back. Appreciate all of you weighing in on the talk Back function. You should download the iHeartRadio app. It is phenomenal. And you can listen to shows about every topic under the world and also under the sun. And you can also share with us easy opportunities to get talkbacks in without having to wait in line for a long time. Look, summer's here. Thunderstorms everywhere like crazy. Thunderstorms happen. Trees come down, branches, a lot of them end up clogging your gutters. Maybe you've got kids like I do or grandkids and they play wiffle ball or football in your backyard. And sometimes some of that may end up in the gutter. You never know what's going to end up in that gutter. And that's what Leaffilter is for. If you go to leaffilter.com they will protect your gutters. Clean out, realign, seal them before they install. They're award winning patented technology trusted by over a million homeowners. Leaffilter will get you hooked up. You can schedule your free inspection and get up to 30% off your entire purchase at leaffilter.com Clay that's Le E A F filter.com Clay see your representative for warranty details. That's leaffilter.com Clay one more time. Leaf filter.com Clay with us now, Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy. He is working through on the big beautiful bill. Let's start there. Senator, appreciate the time. How optimistic are you? I heard or at least saw that Susie Wiles, White House chief of staff just encouraged everyone to get this thing done before the July 4th holiday. That obviously is very soon. Are you optimistic that things are moving in that direction? Where would you say the bill is right now?
H
You know, I don't care if we get by. Get it done by July 4th. That's it's kind of an artificial deadline. Could we get it done by July 11th and the world keeps going around? Yeah, it absolutely does. But we will get something done. I just want to get something done right as opposed to something done quickly.
Clay Travis
All right. What is right about this bill in your mind?
H
Well, let me just talk about what I'm responsible for, which is the health committee. If our goal is to help middle and working America have a better life in the United States of America, we can start with a student loan mess. If the Biden people had said four or five years ago, let's screw up student loans, they couldn't have done a better job than what they did. So we are going to end the scheme that transfers the money that the debt from somebody who willingly took it to go to college to the guy that never went or paid back his loan. I mean, if the truck driver is paying back his truck loan debt, why doesn't the student pay back the student loan debt? We're going to increase affordability. We're going to hold universities accountable. We're going to increase access to things like technical schools so somebody can be a master welder, go out and make six figures working like they want to. I'll start with that because I think we're going to do a really good job with that.
Clay Travis
Okay, so the bill you are optimistic is going to pass. We talked with while I've been up here in D.C. rand Paul and Ron Johnson. They seem to think there needs to be more spending cuts. I read the Wall Street Journal editorial this morning. They say that seems to be occurring. But you are optimistic that there will be at least 50 votes on this bill with at a minimum, JD Vance able to break the tie and things are looking good there.
H
Yes, I do. And some of the spending cuts are going to be things which kind of balloon in the future. So you don't fix a problem with spending right off the bat, but you want to begin to point the ship of state in a direction which begins to lower that debt over time. And if you get greedy, oh, we're going to cut everything all at once. It never happens. But if you say no, we're going to make change and those changes will grow over time according to the pathway in which we start, then you can actually decrease the spending and that should be the goal. And by the way, if it can't pass the Senate or the House, then it's just a debate society. So let's get something that can pass the Senate and the House.
Clay Travis
We're talking to Senator Bill Cassidy of Louisiana. Okay. Obviously, tons of discussion about Israel and Iran. The president talked to the media earlier today as he was putting up the new flag polls about the situation in Iran. If the president called you right now, your advice to him would be what?
H
I think the president's handling it pretty well. Israel has been given free rein to go in and attempt to take out their bomb. The Iranians are shooting fewer missiles. You can imagine that the bombing that Israel has done and the sabotage of the Iranian ballistic missile sites is starting to just decrease the number they have to shoot off. Ideally, the Iranians will come to the bargaining table. But by the way, that should not restrain Israel. Israel should be doing everything they can to make sure that hopefully there's regime change from my perspective, but also that they don't have the ability to further develop their nuclear weapon.
Clay Travis
As you look at the. Well, okay, so all that's super serious. Are you going to be watching LSU play Arkansas tonight in the College World Series? I am.
H
And you know, the crazy thing is Arkansas is favored. Thinking how can Arkansas be favored when we beat them two out of the three during the year and then we just beat them again. But it's going to be a great game and it's two good teams.
Clay Travis
Is LSU going to have a better baseball team this year or a football team?
H
I think that they are going to win the national championship in baseball and I think they can contend in football. Football. So dependent upon injuries. But we got a great quarterback. Fifth year senior Garrett Nussmeier. Some people say he might be a Heisman Trophy candidate. Of course, hope springs eternal. But we've had two in the last six or seven years. I think we're going to be pretty good, man. Who's your team? Who's your.
Clay Travis
I'm a University of Tennessee fan, so born and raised in the state of Tennessee. But I will say this, and I do think this is, that this is one of the great things that, you know, Buck is not on right now. He's, you know, over in the, the French Riviera selling ads for the show. So not a tough job for him. But he had never been to a college football game. I've taken him to multiple SEC games. I love college football. It's probably my favorite thing, just for pure entertainment in the country. For people who have never been to an LSU night game, people who have never been to Baton Rouge. How would you describe the experience? What would, what would you tell them to expect if they are able to.
H
Go to a game, if it is a big game? LSU played Tennessee and Nick Saban's first or second year when he was at LSU and Tennessee was favored. We won on a last second play. There is no excitement like that and the crowds stay in the crowd stay in the stadium and they just, they just cheer and cheer and cheer. It is electrifying, is overused. It is electrifying.
Clay Travis
It is an incredible experience. And I would say I had buddies and I took them to an LSU Oregon game a few years ago in Jerry World in the Dallas, in the Dallas Cowboy Stadium. And one of my buddies turned to me and he said, I don't understand how these people can still Walk. Given how much alcohol they have consumed at the pregame tailgate, does anybody throw a better party than LSU fans in your mind before the game?
H
I can tell you our tailgates where they'll put alligator on the barbecue and have jambalaya and etouffee. The food's fantastic. And yes, the fans do get pretty spirited and I'm sure that includes the contributes to the atmosphere within the stadium. But they're also very welcoming of others. They see you walking down and yes, if you're wearing, as they said in the blind side, that God awful orange for Tennessee, you may get a jeer or two. But as a rule people are happy to see others.
Clay Travis
I want to give plaudits. I know we're on all over Louisiana, but I was down for the super bowl and I know the awful terror attack that happened with the Sugar bowl about to happen. But there seems to be in your state of Louisiana, very positive trajectory in terms of safety. You got a Republican governor in, you've been working hard. A lot of others have as well. Do you feel good momentum about the lessening of violence and the return of safety for lots of people who may come to Louisiana, particularly New Orleans, which is one of the top tourist destinations in the entire world?
H
Frankly, absolutely. If you look at the statistics, the rate of crime is going down. They've got systems in place to make it happen. The state and the locals are making it a priority and they understand that people are not going to live in New Orleans or visit New Orleans unless it's safe. And now they've made it a lot safer. There's room to go, that's fine. There's always a way to get better than you are. But they're making progress. And by the way, Super Bowl, I thought that the city almost had never looked better.
Clay Travis
It was fabulous.
H
It really was fabulous. And a good time. And of course it's a great city to have an event because you can walk every place, enjoy yourself that time of year. The weather's pleasant and along the way, by the way, we're getting lots of good investments with good jobs. So my state's looking up.
Clay Travis
Yeah, and let me just point this out too. We got a lot of history nerds. I'm one of them out there. The World War II Museum in New Orleans is one of the best museums, if not the best museum almost anywhere in the country. I'm sure you've been several times. I have as well. I try to go every time I'm in New Orleans. For people who haven't been there. How spectacular is it?
H
It really is. And it's also for young kids. And when I say young, my grandson is 11 and he's been 15 times.
Clay Travis
Oh, that's amazing.
H
Big enough that he can see something new every time. Now, granted, once he wanted my phone to take pictures of the airplanes. Then I realized he's taking pictures of the girls on the side of the plane.
Clay Travis
Oh, I saw the bombers. They had the pretty girls on the side of the plane. Yes, I know exactly who he's talking about. I don't think I took a picture, but I noticed.
H
Yeah, you noticed.
Clay Travis
Senator, I appreciate the time and we will talk to you again. Bill Cassidy. Good luck on the big beautiful Bill.
H
Thank you.
Clay Travis
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A lot of you wanting to continue to weigh in. Katie in Dover, Delaware. She's got a feedback for us. Hey, this is Katie in Dover, Delaware. And you should call McGuffies because that's what Klinger called them in the old MASH series. All right, a lot of you weighing in. And I know there's going to be a bunch of those rolling over tomorrow as well. I did want to hit. We talked about Trump putting in brand new flags outside of the White House, which are going to be very, very visible going forward. And he also interacted with the media as a part of that endeavor. And there were some fun fireworks in general. Let me pull up a couple of these and let you hear directly Trump answering questions about the situation with Iran. First of all, before we even get into that, this is vintage Trump. Trump turned around and asked whether the construction were building, the flag, putting in the flag pole, whether any of them were illegal immigrants or not. Listen to Cut five.
Donald Trump
Do we have anybody in here that's a member of the.
Clay Travis
I don't think so.
Donald Trump
You've known all these people for a long time. Any illegal immigrants, if they were, they'll find out. They'll be checking you. You won't believe your whole life will be destroyed because of this press conference.
Senator Bill Cassidy
Watch.
Donald Trump
They'll destroy these people. I didn't want to tell them that before they stood up. They'll end up up being. He's a so and so. This one is from you know where. Don't worry. I think you're, I think you're going to be okay. I'll, I'll be right behind you. Far behind you. I'll be right behind you.
Clay Travis
Trump making jokes about whether the construction workers on the lawn were illegal or not because the media was going to be investigating all of them, by the way, 100% true. And if one of them were illegal it would lead CNN or MSNBC tonight. Here's Trump, by the way, on the Iranian situation. This is one of those things we talked about a lot. You can criticize Trump and anybody in public for a variety of perspectives. Trump has been absolutely consistent in the fact that Iran cannot be allowed to get a nuclear weapon. And here he is saying, For 40 years they've been chanting death to America. And for the moment, from the moment he came down the escalator, he's been consistent. They can't get a nuclear weapon. Here's cut four.
Donald Trump
You know, they had bad intentions. You know, the. For 40 years, they've been saying, death to America, death to Israel, death to anybody else that they didn't like. They were bullies, they were schoolyard bullies, and now they're not bullies anymore. But we'll see what happens. Look, nothing's finished until it's finished. You know, war is very complex. A lot of bad things can happen. A lot of turns are made. So I don't know. I wouldn't say that we won anything yet. I would say that we sure as hell made a lot of progress. And we'll see. The next week is going to be very big. Maybe less than a week, maybe less. And we've been threatened by Iran for many years. You know, if you go back and look at my history, if you go back 15 years, I was saying, we cannot let Iran get a nuclear weapon. I've been saying it for a long time. I mean it more now.
Clay Travis
All right, so that is Trump earlier today on the latest. All right, I'm going to get to a couple of your calls here to close. But I did want to play this Whitney Cummings comedian, and I saw this circulating on social media and I thought this was funny. She said, hey, I've always been a hardcore liberal, but as soon as I had a kid, things changed. And I think this may be somewhat representative of the path that some of you have had told in comedic fashion. Here's cut six. It's been fascinating because I've been on this sort of journey through motherhood where, you know, I've always been a very liberal person, maybe even a libtar. But once you have a kid, you start, like, having thoughts that have been characterized as conservative. As soon as I had a kid, I was like, I need a gun now. Not for myself. Cause I've got coyotes in my yard. I've got coyotes everywhere. And before I had a kid, I.
Whitney Cummings
Was like, they coexist with us.
Clay Travis
Coyotes were here first. Like, I'm in the coyotes home now I'm like, let's make hats out of them.
Buck Sexton
Let's make hats.
Clay Travis
Let's make coyote boots. Coyote earrings out of their eyeballs. It was really funny. She was on Bill Maher talking about that. And I do think it is comedically reset. Representative of what fatherhood and motherhood can lead to sometimes when you're not just responsible for yourself. George in Louisiana, what you got for us?
I
This is George Cohen from Louisiana. First off, just. I want to thank you for going to be with us on Juneteenth.
Clay Travis
And I am a. I'm not taking the day off for anybody out there. I will be working on Juneteenth.
I
But yes, and I'm very happy you're going to be with us.
Clay Travis
Yes.
I
I. I am a gay male and I have been in. Involved in the gay community for a very long time. Probably about 40 years. I am from Washington, D.C. and that's where I started working in the gay bars and throughout the community. I was. Did sound and I was a DJ in all of those clubs in all of that time. And this also involved New York. In all of that time, I have only seen one person that could be considered to be a woman stuck inside of a man's body out of all of them. Then when I moved to Louisiana, I did the same thing. I continued the same work in the gay community. I've come across hundreds of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands. I've only seen the one. And when I met my husband 30 years ago, we've been together for 30 years. He was also very actively involved in the gay community in New Orleans. He knew two.
Clay Travis
Yeah.
I
Thank you for the, you know, these parents living vicariously through their children.
Clay Travis
Sorry, we. He had to drop him because we're finishing. But what he's saying is very true. The number of actually trans people that have true gender dysphoria, it's an awful thing. But the gay community, many of them look around and say, this is not our struggle. Many of them are saying, this is not representative of us. That call. I bet you there are a ton of people out there that are gay, that are nodding along. They're all put into the same bucket. But many gay people are saying, look, this is not healthy, particularly for children. We can't be treating people like this. Thank y' all.
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Summary of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show"
Episode: Hour 3 - Tennessee Attorney General Jonathan Skrmetti on His SCOTUS Win
Release Date: June 18, 2025
Hosted by: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts
Overview
In this compelling episode of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show," hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton engage in an insightful discussion with Senator Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, focusing on his recent Supreme Court victory related to Tennessee’s legislative efforts to restrict gender-affirming surgeries for minors. The conversation delves deep into the legal triumph, its broader societal implications, potential future legislative actions, and the intersection of politics and personal freedoms. Interspersed with humor and listener interactions, the episode offers a well-rounded exploration of a hot-button issue in contemporary American politics.
[02:36 - 14:43]
Introduction to the Victory
Clay Travis opens the discussion by congratulating Senator Bill Cassidy on the Supreme Court's 6-3 decision affirming Tennessee's right to restrict gender-affirming surgeries for minors. He inquires about the Senator’s immediate reactions and the process leading up to the announcement.
Senator Cassidy’s Response
Senator Cassidy shares his excitement and surprise at the ruling, noting, “I mean, it's crazy. I did not expect it to come out today...” ([04:03]). He highlights the diligent efforts of his legal team and the pivotal role of Solicitor General Matt Rice in arguing the case effectively.
Legal Foundations of the Ruling
Cassidy explains that the case was built on substantial scientific evidence questioning the efficacy and safety of gender-affirming treatments for minors. He criticizes the underlying research as “fraudulent” and emphasizes that the ruling is a “house of sand” being dismantled ([05:22]). The Senator underscores that this decision is not rooted in ideology but in medical science, aligning with similar judicial sentiments in European countries.
Broader Implications for Other States
The Senator discusses how the ruling empowers other states to enact similar laws, although it doesn’t mandate compliance. He remarks, “the Constitution gives each state a lot of authority...” ([07:17]). Cassidy anticipates that as scientific evidence continues to emerge, more states may follow Tennessee’s lead, moving towards policies deemed rational and evidence-based.
Potential for Civil Litigation
Addressing future concerns, Cassidy acknowledges the possibility of lawsuits from individuals who detransition, stating, “I certainly would be pretty nervous if I were somebody who had been doing this...” ([09:56]). He warns medical professionals of potential liabilities, suggesting an increase in legal exposure as more detransitioners come forward.
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[11:47 - 15:52]
Impact on Families and Children
Cassidy empathizes with families navigating gender dysphoria in their children, criticizing the use of suicide as a leverage point in political debates. He states, “this is really a serious medical issue...” ([12:30]).
Ideological Influences and Depoliticization
He urges a move away from ideological fervor, advocating for decisions grounded in medical evidence to provide clarity and comfort to affected families. Cassidy believes that focusing on scientific data can alleviate the politicization of such sensitive issues.
Protected Class Considerations
The discussion shifts to whether transgender status should be considered a protected class under the law. Cassidy notes that while the Supreme Court avoided this classification in the current ruling, future litigation may force the Court to address this question directly. He says, “there will probably be more litigation on that front...” ([15:00]).
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[26:04 - 33:22]
Student Loan Reform Bill
Cassidy discusses a proposed bill aimed at overhauling the student loan system. He critiques the previous administration's handling of student loans and outlines the bill's goals: ending unfair loan transfers, increasing affordability, holding universities accountable, and expanding access to technical education. “We are going to end the scheme that transfers the money...” ([26:21]).
National Security: Iran and Israel Relations
The conversation shifts to international affairs, specifically the tensions between Iran and Israel. Cassidy commends Israel’s proactive measures against Iranian missile capabilities and advocates for continued efforts to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. “[28:48] ...they can’t get a nuclear weapon.” he affirms.
Economic Growth and Safety in Louisiana
Highlighting positive developments in Louisiana, Cassidy reports declining crime rates and increased investments, particularly in New Orleans. He emphasizes the state’s commitment to maintaining safety to attract tourism and business. “The rate of crime is going down...” ([32:55]).
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[23:27 - 34:37]
College Sports Enthusiasm
Clay and Cassidy engage in a lively discussion about college sports, focusing on LSU’s performance in the College World Series against Arkansas. They debate the strengths of LSU’s baseball and football teams, with Cassidy expressing confidence in LSU’s potential to win national championships.
Fan Experiences and Tailgating
Cassidy shares anecdotes about LSU’s spirited fan base and vibrant tailgating culture, highlighting the unique culinary experiences and the welcoming nature of the fans. “[31:21] ...it is electrifying,” he notes about attending games.
Listener Interactions and Humor
The hosts interact with listeners, addressing humorous feedback about terminology for body parts and reacting to listener comments about language use on the show. This segment adds a personal and entertaining touch to the episode.
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[34:37 - 43:21]
White House Flag Installation and Trump’s Remarks
Clay discusses President Trump’s initiative to install 200-foot flagpoles on the White House grounds, highlighting Trump’s comments and jokes about the construction workforce’s immigration status ([41:13]). He also plays clips of Trump addressing the Iran situation, emphasizing Trump’s consistent stance against Iran obtaining nuclear weapons.
Comedic Perspectives on Changing Agendas
Buck Sexton and Whitney Cummings contribute comedic segments, including riffs on political shifts after parenthood and humorous takes on cultural debates, adding levity to the serious discussions.
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[34:37 - 48:43]
Personal Stories from the Gay Community
A listener named George Cohen shares his extensive experience within the gay community, highlighting the rarity of encountering true transgender individuals despite widespread discussions. He stresses that many in the gay community view the current treatments for gender dysphoria as unhealthy and not representative of their struggles.
Empathy for Families and Support Systems
George expresses gratitude for the show’s platform in addressing these sensitive issues, advocating for thoughtful and supportive approaches to families dealing with gender dysphoria in children.
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Conclusion
This episode of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show" offers a multifaceted exploration of a significant Supreme Court decision impacting gender-affirming treatments for minors. Through an in-depth conversation with Senator Bill Cassidy, listeners gain valuable insights into the legal reasoning, societal implications, and potential future challenges arising from the ruling. Complemented by discussions on legislative efforts, national security, and community feedback, the episode provides a comprehensive look at the intersection of law, politics, and personal lives in the current American landscape.
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Disclaimer: This summary is based on the provided transcript of the episode and aims to encapsulate the key points, discussions, and insights shared by the hosts and guest. It is intended for informational purposes and may not capture all nuances of the live conversation.