Hour 3 - Why Redistricting Matters

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 3 – Why Redistricting Matters
Date: October 30, 2025
Host: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Key Guest: Lieutenant Governor of Indiana

Episode Overview

This episode centers on the growing political significance of redistricting, particularly in Republican-led states like Indiana, and the national ramifications of gerrymandering. Clay and Buck weave in sharp critiques of recent political soundbites, discuss the fragility of "legacy" media trust, touch on popular culture, and take a deep dive with the Indiana lieutenant governor on the legislative battle over redistricting. The show employs its usual mix of political analysis, cultural references, and humor.

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Main Topics & Discussions

1. Halloween Banter and Setting the Stage

• Clay and Buck riff about Buck's "Latin music star" haircut and Buck's six-month-old son, introducing the show with levity.
• [03:04] Clay: "Buck has not even had to dress up. Although he does look like a Latin music star now with his new haircut...we have got a happy beaming baby boy..."

2. State of the Government Shutdown and Political Optics

• Recap of recent polling from CNN showing Republicans not harmed by the government shutdown, possibly benefiting from it. Quotes provided from Harry Enton’s analysis.
• [05:19] Buck: "Might actually hurt the Republican brand."
• [05:39] Buck: "It's actually up 5 points since pre shutdown."
• [05:56] Clay: "Republicans with the shutdown are actually rallying."
• Hosts predict Democrats will try to end the shutdown soon, noting how even CNN is recognizing the political disadvantage for Democrats.

3. Legacy Media Trust & Gavin Newsom's Shifting Narrative

• Clay and Buck dissect California Governor Gavin Newsom's contradictory statements regarding his son’s fandom of Charlie Kirk—using it as a broader critique about political trust and media consistency.
• [08:10] Buck: "It's just so petty and slimy. Clearly, Gavin Newsom is a guy who says one thing to one person and another thing to another, depending on the needs of the moment."
• Clay explains how social media clips now expose such inconsistencies instantly.

4. Cultural Commentary & ESPN Critique

• The hosts lambast ESPN commentator Ryan Clark for criticizing the Governor of Louisiana and disparaging Charlie Kirk, echoing a conservative frustration about politics in sports media.
• [11:04] Clay: "He is epically dumb and racist. That's a bad combo."
• [11:48] Buck: "It does seem like there's no IQ requirement for sports commentary. I'll just say some of the things that I hear from the sports commentariat..."

5. Kamala Harris's Australian Interview & Dodging Questions

• Extended attention is paid to Vice President Kamala Harris’s interview with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s Sarah Ferguson, who presses her on Biden’s frailties and Harris’s reluctance to address them directly.
  • [12:53] Sarah Ferguson: "I want to interrupt you because that is a world class pivot, but it is not the question that I asked you, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties..."
  • [15:10] Buck: "Can I just say it's very clear that she's been coached to say it's in the book, which she did not write, mind you, as a dodge whenever someone tries to—it's in the book. I wrote about it in the book."
  • Buck and Clay predict a likely showdown between Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom for Democratic leadership.

6. Gavin Newsom Positioning for Presidential Run

• Discussion of Newsom’s attempts to position himself as Biden’s heir, even claiming Biden is "one of the most successful presidents in the last century":
  • [17:23] Newsom: "One of the most successful presidents in the last century, and that is Joe Biden. And I will defend that to my grave."
• Buck analyzes Newsom’s real-time strategy for winning over the Democratic base.

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FEATURED SEGMENT: REDISTRICTING WITH THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF INDIANA

[25:50 - 34:49]

Background & Political Stakes

• The Indiana legislature faces pressure to redistrict in a way that would maximize Republican representation (potentially moving from a current 7-2 Republican majority in Congressional seats to a possible 9-0 sweep).
• The Lieutenant Governor explains internal GOP division and the urgency due to filing deadlines.

Key Quotes:

• [26:33] LG Indiana: "The governor called a special session just a couple days ago... we're trying to get the Republican Senate supermajority and the Republican super majority in the House to actually come back and actually do their duty."
• [28:22] LG Indiana: "We're getting screwed because we're trying to play fair... And these states like Illinois and the New England states and California are stealing our votes. They're still watering down our Republican voices."
• [29:33] On deadlines: "We've got probably only a window of maybe a couple more weeks here. And so that's why it's really coming down to the wire."
• [31:25] Complacency: "100% complacency is our worst enemy in Indiana because people just kind of say, okay, hey, we're red, we're good."
• [32:08] Infiltration: "You also get the typical Democrat who knows they can't win as a Democrat in Indiana, so they'll run as a Republican and they basically infiltrate the party and then they try to water down the party and move the party back further to the left."

Broader Gerrymandering Context

• Buck and Clay compare Indiana’s relatively “square” districting to the bizarrely-shaped districts in Illinois and elsewhere, highlighting the partisan arms race in district design.

Motivation Tactics & The Ground Game

• Emphasis on the need for GOP voters not to be complacent even in "safe" red states.
• Hints at supporting primaries against less "America First" incumbents if necessary.

Cultural Touchdown: Indiana as a Sports Mecca

• Lighthearted close to the interview as Clay jokes Indiana is becoming a football state and teases about college basketball.
  • [33:53] LG Indiana: "Indiana has become a sports mecca of the world right now. And then you got, you know, IMs, the speedway."

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Additional Notable Moments

Lighter Fare & Pop Culture

• Halloween candy debate sparks generational ribbing and nostalgia.
  • [45:09] Buck: "No question, Reese's Pieces... Always Reese's. Reese's. Any Reese's Cups."
  • [46:50] Buck: "Tootsie Rolls are trash. Trash. Way too chewy."

Audience Engagement

• Call-ins and “talkbacks” allow listeners to contribute jokes, trivia, or friendly corrections, keeping the tone conversational and inclusive.

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Notable Quotes and Timestamps

| Time | Speaker | Quote | |----------|---------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 05:39 | Buck Sexton | "It's actually up 5 points since pre shutdown." | | 08:10 | Buck Sexton | "It's just so petty and slimy. Clearly, Gavin Newsom is a guy who says one thing to one person and another thing to another, depending on the needs of the moment." | | 12:53 | Sarah Ferguson (ABC)| "I want to interrupt you because that is a world class pivot, but it is not the question that I asked you, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties..." | | 17:23 | Gavin Newsom | "One of the most successful presidents in the last century, and that is Joe Biden. And I will defend that to my grave." | | 28:22 | LG Indiana | "We're getting screwed because we're trying to play fair... And these states like Illinois and the New England states and California are stealing our votes." | | 31:25 | LG Indiana | "100% complacency is our worst enemy in Indiana because, you know, people just kind of say, okay, hey, we're red, we're good." | | 46:50 | Buck Sexton | "Tootsie Rolls are trash. Trash. Way too chewy." |

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Important Timestamps

• Polling on Shutdown: [05:14–06:02]
• Gavin Newsom Clip Contradiction: [07:03–08:38]
• ESPN/Charlie Kirk Segment: [09:48–11:48]
• Kamala Harris Interview: [12:12–16:28]
• Newsom Praising Biden: [16:49–18:23]
• Redistricting Interview: [25:50–34:49]
• Halloween Candy Debate: [44:49–46:50]

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Episode Tone and Style

Clay and Buck sustain a conversational, unfiltered, and humorous approach, blending pointed political critique with pop culture and everyday observations. There’s plenty of good-natured teasing, especially around generational divides, and audience participation further roots the show “in the real world” of its listeners.

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Conclusion

This episode uses Indiana's redistricting battle as a springboard to hammer broader themes: the national importance of state-level political maneuvers, media hypocrisy, and the necessity for GOP engagement. Interludes on pop culture, Halloween, and call-ins keep things lively and relatable for all listeners, even if they missed the show live.

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome in hour number three Thursday edition. It is Halloween eve and Buck has not even had to dress up. Although he does look like a Latin music star now with his new haircut and he now as if he's not getting enough attention with the new haircut. For those of you watching on YouTube where you should go and subscribe to the Clay and Buck YouTube channel, we have got a happy beaming baby boy who is right there on the screen. And if you want to have a nice smile, how old exactly is he now?

[Buck Sexton]

Six months. Baby Speed is six months old.

[Clay Travis]

Six months happy, smiling, gurgling, giggling. I remember and I bet a lot of you do that around six months is when you start to get a really fun baby that's reacting and interacting with you on a regular basis. So baby boy there for those of you who are YouTube subscribers and want to be entertained and have a smile put on your face one day in advance of Halloween, we got a bunch of different stuff to dive into. We've been discussing Trump on it right now in the air on his way back from his his meeting with Chinese President Xi. And we have been discussing that impact. We played at the end of the last hour Harry Enton pointing out as we have discussed that the overall support for climate change insanity even in the Democrat Party has begun to collapse. And that was reinforced this week as Bill Gates suddenly decided to come out and say, hey, actually we're not all going to die of climate change. So that religion on the left is falling apart. And this is the data on the shutdown that also was on cnn. So if you're out there and you're saying, ok, well Clay and Buck are saying that this is politically not going well for Democrats. But what are they saying on CNN and msnbc? Well, they're now telling their viewers, hey, this shutdown is being place, the blame is on Democrats. This is what Harry Intin said based on the polling on cnn.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

You might think given that the Republicans are in charge of both the House and the Senate, that a government shutdown.

[Buck Sexton]

Might actually hurt the Republican brand.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

But in fact it hasn't. If anything, it's been helped a little bit. Take a look here. The shift in that popularity versus pre shutdown among the when we're looking at the Republican Party overall, that brand actually up two points.

[Clay Travis]

That's within the margin of error, but.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Clearly it hasn't dropped. Come over this side of the screen.

[Clay Travis]

Look at the net approval ratings for Republicans in Congress.

[Buck Sexton]

It's actually up 5 points since pre shutdown.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

It's rallying the base for sure. Look at this. The net approval rating up 12 points versus pre shutdown. But it's not just with the base. It's also with the middle of the electorate. Look at this. Among independents, it's up eight points as well. So we've got a situation here where.

[Clay Travis]

Republicans with the shutdown are actually rallying.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Their base, but it's also something that's not hurting them with the folks in the middle.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so that is what they heard on cnn. That's what I wanted to play for you. And that's why Buck and I both believe that soon after the election next week, Democrats are going to try to find an off ramp to end this government shutdown. Okay, let me play a couple of cuts here that I thought were interesting because we can talk about Kamala and Newsom a bit. Buck, Gavin Newsom, I. I think is a liar on a level that we may not have ever seen before when it comes to just saying the exact opposite of what he has said before. Do you remember when he started his podcast? The first guest I believe he had was Charlie Kirk. And he told Charlie, hey, my son is a big fan of yours, and this is one reason why I wanted to have you on the idea that I want to talk to people of divergent backgrounds. That was what he said. If you don't remember, you can hear him say it yourself.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Last night, trying to put my son to bed. He's like, no, Dad, I just. What time?

[Clay Travis]

What time's Charlie gonna be here?

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

What time?

[Buck Sexton]

And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow.

[Clay Travis]

He's 13. He's like, no, no, this morning.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Wakes up at 6 something. He's like, I'm coming.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm like, great. He literally would not leave the house.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Did you let him take off school? No.

[Clay Travis]

He did.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Of course not.

[Clay Travis]

He's not here for a good reason. But the point is, canceled school for like, two years. Once. One.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

The point is. The point, which is you are making a damn debt. Thank you. I'm kidding, okay?

[Clay Travis]

And he said, my son's a fan. All right, now, just, I think yesterday, Gavin Newsom, continuing the media rounds. Oh, my son's not actually a fan of Charlie Kirk. I never said that.

[Buck Sexton]

Listen, your son, obviously a fan of Charlie Kirk.

[Clay Travis]

What was the conversation like between you.

[Buck Sexton]

And your son after Charlie Kirk was assassinated? He called me.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

I don't know how he got a.

[Buck Sexton]

Phone, but he called me from school.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

That day really alarmed, and all his.

[Clay Travis]

Friends were around the phone that wanted me to somehow express or understand what was going on. He wanted to know if he was dead.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

He wasn't a fan of him as much as he was familiar with him.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, come on.

[Buck Sexton]

It's just so petty and slimy. Clearly, Gavin Newsom is a guy who says one thing to one person and another thing to another, depending on the needs of the moment. But, you know, Charlie was assassinated. He's gone. He's left behind his widow, his kids. Your son obviously is a fan. Why do that? Why be so petty, so lacking in honor and integrity? Well, because you're Gavin Newsom and that's who you are.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's just a perfect example that we just played of what his presidential campaign is going to be like. He's just gonna lie about things that, you know, he did. He said the opposite of just a few months ago. It's not hard to find. This is one reason I do believe that trust in legacy media has collapsed. Because a lot of you, in the back of your minds, you'd be like, I don't think they've been consistent on that. And then on social media, you have people who are skilled and will go grab and put those side by side. I would encourage our team, if we can, put those two clips side by side and share that from Clay and Buck. Look, if Gavin Newsom was continuing to say that his son was a fan of. Of Charlie Kirk, I would, you know, say, okay, I mean, his kids can have different political opinions than him, but to just transparently say the opposite of what you said in the past, I just. It's. It's just evidence of what's coming. Prepare yourselves. By the way, this just happened on cnn. Sorry, on espn. It's not a lot of difference, honestly. ESPN is often msnbc.

[Buck Sexton]

CNN might be a little more right wing.

[Clay Travis]

Espn, actually, that actually may well be true. They just had this racist moron, Ryan Clark, who ESPN should fire if they had a sense of ran of just an iota of intelligence. He's on talking about lsu. They fired their coach, but he takes a shot at the governor of LS of Louisiana over this LSU job and said it's the second dumbest thing he said this week. The other was that the governor of Louisiana said, hey, we should think about maybe putting a statue up of. Of Charlie Kirk. Listen to what you would have just heard if you were watching cnn. I'm watch. Sorry. That is funny, though. CNN more is fairer than espn. If you're watching espn, you're just like, hey, I want to see what's going to happen in tonight's game between the Ravens and the Dolphins. This is what you might have heard.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

That's the second most ridiculous thing he said this week.

[Buck Sexton]

The first was standing on campus and.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Saying he wanted to put a statue up of somebody that doesn't represent the people of Louisiana, doesn't represent the players and the students at lsu, doesn't represent the executives that work there. That was the first dumb thing he said this week. This is the second dumbest. Right.

[Buck Sexton]

Amongst a lot of dumb things that he says.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so just teeing off on the governor of Louisiana on a random sports show over the governor saying, hey, maybe we should put a statue up of Charlie Kirk. Which, by the way, the vast majority of Louisiana natives, they do agree with Charlie Kirk. They voted for Trump by 22 points. 62, I think, to about. To about 38, something like that. So 24, 23, 22 points. Pretty significant win for Trump in Louisiana. But that's the kind of conversation that you see when you're not tuning in for it. And I just. They gotta fire that guy. I mean, he is. He is epically dumb and racist. That's a bad combo.

[Buck Sexton]

It does seem like there's no IQ requirement for sports commentary. I'll just say some of the things that I hear from the sports commentariat. Present company, of course, greatly excluded. I'm amazed that they're paid to say anything on television about anyone, especially when they veer off into anything politically related. But, yeah, not. Not nice. Not nice. What he said. Did not like it. Not a nice thing. All right.

[Clay Travis]

I've also got for you, Buck, your girl Kamala. I guess she's technically my girl because I think she's gonna run. She is in Australia now, I believe. Is that. Is that accurate? She's doing her.

[Buck Sexton]

She's hoping to sell a lot of books in Melbourne.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, she is at Melbourne, as they pronounce it, I was told. There you go. Look at me knowing how to pronounce a word. We've got. Let's see. I want to make sure that I get this person right, because she really kind of got a push here. This is the Australian Broadcasting Corporations. Sarah Ferguson. Listen to how much she goes after Kamala here. Buck for Ducking questions about Biden's decline. Cut for you.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Combine that misrepresentation of intention with also what was at play in terms of massive amounts of mis and disinformation. Forgive me. And a documented calendar in terms of the clock. I want to interrupt you because that is a world class pivot, but it is not the question that I asked you, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that did to you. The question is about Joe Biden. Are you still reluctant to criticize the former president? In what regard, please? Well, just in terms of that question. So you went on exactly what you like to ask. Be more specific, if you don't mind. Was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to recognize his own frailties in that position that put you in the position that made it almost impossible to win that race? He was not frail as President of the United States, but he had frailties. We all saw the debate. I do believe that Joe Biden had the capacity to be President of the United States. And I have never doubted that he had the capacity to be President of the United States. If you want to talk about whether he had the ability to endure what a race for President of the United States would require in that political environment in 2024, as I've said in the book, I had concern.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, then she pushes again here. Buck, this is. I don't know. I don't know anything about Sarah Ferguson, but I kind of like when people get called out like this. Cut five.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

I'm just wondering, is there a reason why you won't go to that prolonged frailty question? We saw the debate. We saw the difficulty he had marshaling his. I have answered that question. I do not believe. I think it's just hard watching the debate to see how there could not be a problem long term with someone who can't marshal their thoughts. I'm not saying his acuity wasn't present in the book. And I also mentioned the context in which that debate occurred. And you'll probably remember how I talked about that in terms of what his travel schedule had been, that what he had been enduring in terms of the timing of that debate. I talk about it extensively in the book. I'm not shying away from that. So I wrote it in the book because I do know it's a question people had.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just say it's very clear that she's been coached to say it's in the book, which she did not write, mind you, as a dodge whenever Someone tries to. It's in the book. I wrote about it in the book.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Okay.

[Buck Sexton]

The interviewer's asking you a question. I read the book. Which is a garbage book and clearly written by committee of ghostwriters. Clay, she's being asked a very straightforward question, and this is what I've said all along, for which she has no good answer.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

How is it that you on the one hand, say you were put in an impossible situation to win this. Win this last election, but you think Joe Biden was okay to be president because you didn't notice any of the dementia stuff, but you understand that there were concerns about him being in a presidential campaign, and yet it doesn't make any sense.

[Clay Travis]

No.

[Buck Sexton]

You put these things together, you go, oh, hold on a minute. So it's his fault, but it's not his fault, but he could have been president, but he shouldn't have been president. But Clay, this is the same thing with Korean Jean Pierre. They are caught in an unwinnable position because they were all lying. Yes. And we all know.

[Clay Travis]

And the king liar. Let me bring it back, because I think you're going to see Gavin Newsom versus Kamala Harris. Gavin Newsom said Joe Biden. This is what he also said. In addition to getting caught in lies about Charlie Kirk Buck. He said, joe Biden is one of the most successful presidents in the last century. Cut 17.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

It's a revolution that's going on in this country, and I think you have.

[Clay Travis]

To start using those words.

[Buck Sexton]

He's attacking every single institution of independent thinking. And he's succeeding because we're still playing.

[Clay Travis]

By the old set of rules.

[Buck Sexton]

And so my party needs to focus first and foremost on recognizing that.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

And then we'll reconcile being more culturally normal, more reform oriented, talk about service and patriotism, and we'll continue to build.

[Clay Travis]

On the legacy, I would argue, of.

[Buck Sexton]

Our former president, who I think was.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

One of the most successful presidents in.

[Clay Travis]

The last century, and that is Joe Biden. And I will defend that to my grave.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, Can I. It's very clear what he's doing here. He is just grabbing the mantle of, I'm your nominee. Guys, just to be clear, I'm the. Yeah, Biden was great, right? You all voted for Biden. Every Democrat. Clay voted for Biden, right?

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

So he's just saying.

[Clay Travis]

And a lot of people who might be dead voted Biden, too.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, that's a good point. A lot of people that aren't even American citizens might have voted Biden, too. He is just saying, I'm here for you. You didn't do something dumb. Biden was great. I'll be even greater. This is a total audience power grab, right? Or voter slash audience power grab. He's just reaching right over and saying, hey, all you Biden people, I'm the one that you need. Don't worry about all this stuff about the dementia. We don't have to talk about that. He was great. He was great. Vote Gavin Newsom. I know exactly what he's doing.

[Clay Travis]

Oh. I mean, it's going to be Gavin against Kamala. I think it's coming.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, he. This is why I think she's going to have to think long and hard about this because you know, when power is on the line and legacy, Gavin Newsom, he, Clay, he will be able to pummel Kamala's campaign into smithereens on this issue. You think that random Australian journalist was tough? Just wait till evil Keanu Reeves gets her.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

The NFL International Games continue on NFL Network and here our stars come out in the morning. Week 10 Bajan Robinson and the Falcons Touchdown Atlanta take on Daniel Jones and the Colts in Berlin.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Fireworks in the fourth quarter.

[Clay Travis]

Then in Week 11, Jaden Daniels and the Commanders touchdown once again face Tua and the Dolphins in Madrid.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Snooze off.

[Clay Travis]

Game on. It's Sunday morning Football continues November 9th at 9:30 Eastern only on NFL Network.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

This month, Pure Talk is choosing to support Canines for Warriors, an incredible organization that rescues and trains dogs, then pairs them with veterans struggling with ptsd. These are men and women who served with honor, but when they come home, that brotherhood, that support network they had in the military too often disappears. Canines for warriors steps up to fill that gap, giving these heroes purpose, companionship and healing.

[Buck Sexton]

That's exactly why PureTalk, a veteran led company, supports them. Choose a wireless company who shares your values and with talk, Text and plenty of 5G data for just $25 a month, you could also be saving a lot of Money. Go to PureTalk.com Buck and PureTalk's US customer service team will have you switch in as little as 10 minutes. Again, go to PureTalk.com buck and switch today to America's wireless company, PureTalk. Grand Canyon University, an affordable private Christian university based in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona, is one of the largest universities in the country. Praised for its culture of community and impact, GCU integrates the free market system, a welcoming Christian worldview, and free and open discourse into 369 academic programs with.

[Clay Travis]

Over 300 online join a nationwide community of learners redefining online education through academically rigorous, industry driven programs designed to spark bold ideas and support your journey from military service to civilian life.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, BUCK SEXTON SHOW we are joined now by the Lieutenant Governor of Indiana. We just met him up at Fort Wayne where we were celebrating the 100th anniversary of a great legacy radio station. Whoa, up there. And when we met you, Mr. Lieutenant Governor, there was a lot of uncertainty about what exactly Indiana was going to do when it came to redistricting. And we said, well, we'll bring you on to talk. Since we talked with you up in Fort Wayne, things have evolved. What is the latest you can tell us about the idea of redistricting in the state of Indiana and what's to come?

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Hey, guys. Yeah, thanks for having me on. Well, we're in the battle right now. The governor called it. President Trump is absolutely on point pushing states to do this. The governor called a special session just a couple days ago and now we're trying to get the Republican Senate supermajority and the Republican super majority in the House to actually come back and actually do their duty. And there's been questions on does the governor, according to the state constitution, actually have the authority to set the time and place he calls the special session. But now they're saying, well, he can't set the time and place, which what they're trying to do. Some of these little bit more, I would say moderate or not America first type senators and House members are trying to say the governor can't tell us when to come back. So they're going to probably maybe try to kick this can down the road to a point where we may not be able to do it. So we're really trying to say, hey guys, you need to come back and do this. We need to get Indiana's voice back, claw it back from the blue states that have stolen it through gerrymandering and four census data, nefarious action. So that's what we're doing right now. And I was the first statewide official to jump on and say, hey, President Trump is right. He's taught us how to fight as Republicans. Let's do this. It's time to go.

[Buck Sexton]

So what is the current status in your state, Lieutenant governor of the gerrymandering? Give us a sense of this because I think people are shocked to find out when they actually, you know, most of us think of our, we think of who has control in Congress, what the raw numbers are and who's our congressman and maybe our own state. But for people finding out, for example, what the gerrymandering in say, New England looks like is pretty shocking when you get into it. How is it in your state?

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Well, it's, it's very not gerrymandered. I mean, if you look at our districts, I mean, they're almost as square block as you can get. There's no drawing these weird lines that are going through random cities. And Illinois, if you look at Illinois, they're really gerrymandered. I mean, there's one district that looks like a snake just slithering through the whole central part of the state from the west to the east. And, and, and, but we don't do that in Indiana. And, and we're getting screwed because we're trying to play fair. And, and these states like Illinois and the New England states and California are stealing our votes. They're still watering down our Republican voices. And so we just finally said, enough is enough. Fight fire with fire. It's time to actually, we're going to get two more seats and it's nine to zero is what the goal. We should have nine Republicans representing us in Congress and zero Democrats. That's what we should be fighting for.

[Clay Travis]

What's the timeframe under which you think this will happen? I think it's 8 to 1 right now, if I'm not mistaken. So this would add one more congressional district to the Republican lineup, is that right? Or what's the current status and what's the time frame?

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

It's 7 and 72 right now. So we have Republicans, two Democrats. So this would add two more, nine, zero. And it's got to be done quick because our, we've got to have our time for our, our secretary of state to get the ballots out. I mean, filing is January in Indiana. So if we don't, we can't really file for running for anything if you don't know the districts. And so we got probably only a window of maybe a couple more weeks here. And so that's why it's really coming down to the wire. That's why I'm concerned that the legislature is just trying to, trying to stall this. They're trying to say, hey, okay, fine, you can call special session governor, but you know, we're, we're just not going to come back. Well, we'll do it five months from now. That's when we'll come back. And it's like, no, that's not the intention of the framers of the Indiana state constitution. They wouldn't have given the governor the authority to call a special session under Article 4 of our state constitution and not let him set the time and the place. And so that's where. That's the battle we're at right now. I think we'll get there, guys. I really do. But it's just, it's just unfortunate in a state like Indiana, which is a super red state, should be the most mega America first state in the whole union following President Trump's lead. And here we are just kind of saying, man, I hope we can get this ball over the ends, over the end zone. So.

[Buck Sexton]

How is it to get people motivated? I think that another thing that you deal with in a place like Indiana, which is a great state, as you know, we were just there, we got to hang out with you a bit and whoa, whoa, land. But because you're, you're so red. Do you ever have an issue with people thinking that it's all in the bag so they don't necessarily get as mobilized on things like this redistricting as they need to? And, you know, how do you focus in on a place where we feel solid and Republican and a state where we feel solid and Republican that things like this come up and they do need the attention of the voters?

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

100% complacency is our worst enemy in Indiana because, you know, people just kind of say, okay, hey, we're red, we're good. And you try to help them remember. Well, what happens is sometimes these politicians get really comfortable and they realize, I mean, I've heard some senators say, I'm not worried because I can be a no, I can be a strong no. And I'm not worried about it because I'm never going to have a general opponent. We have some senators and reps that don't even get general opponents in some cases in some of these districts from Democrats. That's how weak the Democrat Party is in Indiana. But we get really lazy as a Republican Party and we start, you know, seeing, seeing that play out in real time. And then you also get the typical Democrat who knows they can't win as a Democrat in Indiana, so they'll run as a Republican and they basically infiltrate the party and then they try to water down the party and move the party back further to the left. And so those are the problems that we wrestle with. And so we're, you know, the governor, myself, I mean, I think some real strong conservatives saying, listen, we will work actively to primary people if we need to. We all, we hope we don't have to. But gosh, if we can't save our republic from this Marxist leftist takeover that the Democrat Party has become, then what are you doing? Like, get out of the way and let real patriots get in there and fight. We need fighters now more than ever.

[Clay Travis]

Speaking of fighters, Indiana Hoosiers are, I think, one of the best teams certainly in college football. And right now the best record in the NFL is the Indianapolis Colts. When did Indiana become a football state? Do you guys like basketball still or have you just kind of switched?

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

No, I think we're still good at basketball, but I, you know, I'm just shocked. I love it. It's awesome. Listen, we got IU Hoosiers number two. We got the Colts, the best team in the NFL. You know, we had the Pacers made it to the finals. The Fever almost made it to the finals. I mean, listen, hey, listen, we could potentially think about this. We could potentially see IU and Notre Dame in the national championship this year. How cool would that be in college football if that, if that actually happened. So, I mean, Indiana has become a sports mecca of the world right now. And then you got, you know, IMs, the speedway. I mean, we are becoming the place that the world wants to come to and it's awesome and so proud of the state.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. Now if you guys just could be good at basketball at the Indiana Hoosiers again. I know Purdue's doing well, but I.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

You know, well, you know, we need Gene Hackman to come back and help us so on that one.

[Clay Travis]

One of the great all time movies. Hey, we appreciate.

[Buck Sexton]

I did watch the. Excuse me for a second here. Oh, wow. Knowledge to drop here. I did watch the NBA finals a bit last year because after my beloved New York Knicks were defeated by said Pacers, they put up quite a fight. And unfortunately Halliburton, AKA the Haliban, was not able to to finish him off. But I was very impressed with their team, in their spirit. So Indiana Clay does still have great basketball, just not at the college level.

[Clay Travis]

Just not at iu, which was the ultimate place. Lieutenant Governor Beckwith, you'll have to come back on and update us. Hopefully we can add two congressional seats in Indiana. And we appreciate you updating us.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Absolutely. Thanks guys. Keep up the great work.

[Clay Travis]

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[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

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[Clay Travis]

Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Clay Travis]

The NFL International Games continue on NFL.

[Buck Sexton]

Network and here our stars come out.

[Clay Travis]

In the week 10 Bajan Robinson and the Falcons touchdown Atlanta take on Daniel Jones and the Colts in Berlin.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

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[Clay Travis]

Then in week 11, Jaden Daniels and the Commanders touchdown once again. Face Tua and the Dolphins in Madrid.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Snooze off.

[Clay Travis]

Game on. It's Sunday Morning Football continues November 9th at 9:30 Eastern only on NFL Network.

[Buck Sexton]

The US electric grid is approaching a breaking point as demand soars from data centers and home energy use. Our aging infrastructure can't keep up and the Department of Energy warns that without action, blackouts could surge 100 fold by 2030. The good news? One solution is already here. Propane. It's American made, stored on site and always ready, powering homes and businesses with cleaner, reliable energy that doesn't depend on the grid or the weather. Learn [e-mail] There are a number of reasons I'm proud to say PureTalk is my wireless company. They don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk. Especially when it comes to supporting our veterans.

[Clay Travis]

This month, Pure Talk is choosing to support Canines for Warriors, an incredible organization that rescues and trains dogs, then pairs them with veterans struggling with ptsd. These are men and women who served with honor, but when they come home, that brotherhood, that support network they had in the military too often disappears. Canines for warriors steps up to fill that gap, giving these heroes purpose, companionship and healing.

[Buck Sexton]

That's exactly why PureTalk, a veteran led company, supports them. Choose a wireless company who shares your values and with talk, text and plenty of 5G data for just $25 a month, you could also be saving a lot of Money. Go to PureTalk.com Buck and PureTalk's US customer service team will have you switch in as little as 10 minutes. Again, go to PureTalk.com buck and switch today to America's wireless company, PureTalk. Grand Canyon University, an affordable private Christian university based in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona, is one of the largest universities in the country. Praised for its culture of community and impact, GCU integrates the free market system, a welcoming Christian worldview, and free and open discourse into 369 academic programs with.

[Clay Travis]

Over 300 online join a nationwide community of learners redefining what online education looks like through academically rigorous, industry driven programs that can spark bold ideas and prepare you for a future that matters.

[Buck Sexton]

In addition to federal grants and aid, GCU's online students received nearly $161 million in institutional scholarships in 2024. Find your purpose at Grand Canyon University Private Christian affordable. Visit gcu.edu myoffer to see the scholarships you may qualify for. That's gcu. Edu. Myoffer. All right, we're closing up shop here on Clay and Buck, and we have, oh, so much to talk about and to get to. And I've been saying we want you to check out the Clay and Buck podcast network, which is fantastic. A word not to be confused with fabulous, which some of you do not like hearing on these airwaves. Okay, let's get some talkbacks here, Clay. I'm just going to drink some of my Crockett coffee out of my overmountain mug. Crocketcoffee.com and let's see, we have here, we've got Greg from South Carolina calling me out, calling me out. Play BB Talk. Okay, that's twice. Bug said Secretary of Defense. Get it straight, bro. Secretary of War.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

You are.

[Buck Sexton]

He's got a great voice. You are correct, Greg. In addition to having an excellent voice, it is now Secretary of War. Officially, to be fair, this is a recent change, and for many, many years, I worked in a role where we would just refer to SecDef. So Sec War is not something that computes in my brain, but Clay is not. Clay is like.

[Clay Travis]

Sounds like a lot of excuses. That haircut that you're rocking today, you're not a hair. You're not an excuse guy. Like, you're here to make plays. You're here to, you know, sell out stadiums at K Pop. You can't give me.

[Buck Sexton]

He does have kind of like a, like, Like a swooped up, almost like Ricky Martin vibe going.

[Clay Travis]

It does. Maybe you can bring back the Macro Arena.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm. I'm kind of. That's not Ricky Martin, but I am kind of living la vida loca over here. The Macarena. What are you on, like an over 65 cruise? Macarena. Good Lord. All right, let's CC podcast the same time.

[Clay Travis]

Well, Vita, what year was the Macarena? Was it way older?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, it's just a different band, but yeah, I know they're around. They're roughly the same time, but live in the Vita loca.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, I'm very special place.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Special, special place. She. She'll make you wait.

[Clay Travis]

What is it?

[Buck Sexton]

The words make absolutely no sense make.

[Clay Travis]

I'm trying to remember Dancing in the rain or something. Wasn't it like a bullet to the brain? It's like, that's not nice. Dancing in the rain, I think was something part of it?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

The bullets are dancing in the rain.

[Buck Sexton]

There's bullets in the brain make you go insane it's like you got mad libs going there. It's not. Not very impressive lyrics. All right, all right, here we go. Podcaster. Okay, Macarena was 93. Ricky Martin was 99. See, this is where the age gap. You know, people talk age gap sometimes in discourse. There's a Buck and Clay age gap. You know what I mean?

[Clay Travis]

Three years. That redefines the we are different generations.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, technically, Clay is Gen X. I'm.

[Clay Travis]

The only Gen X. He's all like, tough and salty, and.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm a millennial, so I'm like, oh, like, I just need to have my oat milk. Oh. You know, my avocado toast. So, yeah, whatever. Avocado toast is delicious. How about that Gen X people, with your leather jackets. All right, let's go. We got Podcaster, Podcaster, Richie, CC Play it.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Hey, Clay, it's Richie. I'm Italian and I've done over a hundred open water swims. You need a 5 mil wetsuit, zoomies on your feet, a neoprene skull cap, and three male sleeves on your wetsuit. Make sure it's custom fit. And the Italian part, I'll sit up on the front hole, I'll hide myself, and I'll dangle a black rope to pull you through if you start getting tired and cramped up.

[Buck Sexton]

What was that?

[Clay Travis]

I don't understand the Italian. I understand that he was an Italian. I don't understand the Italian reference there. Is he saying, work hard, I just lose Italy. I don't understand the. The attack. Was it Jesse Kelly?

[Buck Sexton]

Jesse Kelly is the one who has all the beef with Italy. If you follow him on. On X, he's the one that's taking shots at Italy all the time. That's not us.

[Clay Travis]

So fantastic country. I had a really good time when I went to Italy, by the way. Buck, I want to get this because I don't know that I know it is right now Halloween Eve. Okay. My house is going to be slammed. We live in a neighborhood where everybody goes trick or treating. It's super busy. What is your favorite candy for Halloween? Do you have uppity candy taste like.

[Buck Sexton]

Am I gonna know I'm not interesting at all? I will say I've always had a soft spot for sour candy. So Sour Patch Kids have been a thing that if I'm just gonna eat just. Just sugar trash. I like Sour Patch Kids. But if you're telling me what is the one candy. When I was a kid trick or treating, I was most. No question, Reese's Pieces.

[Clay Travis]

Okay.

[Buck Sexton]

Always Reese's Reese's.

[Clay Travis]

Reese's. Any Reese's Cups.

[Buck Sexton]

Ooh, no cups. I'm a cup.

[Clay Travis]

You mean cups.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm a cups guy.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, yeah, that's the right answer. That the. The greatest. If you're out there right now and you are either a kid going Halloween trick or treating or you're a parent stealing from your kid, who is going to go Halloween trick or treating. Number one draft kit pick is Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is the best Halloween food. I ranked him Buck. I went peanut M and M second. I like peanut M M's. I know some people like regular M M's. And then I went Twix in third place. I'm open to the argument that I should have gone KitKat. To me, that is the holy trinity of Halloween candies. So my kids are smart now. They've gotten older, and a lot of them, the two oldest, don't really go trick or treating anymore, but they knew what I liked, so they would pick something other than the candy that I liked because they knew that I would take the dad tax, which is a great concept to put in place. You want kids to understand that taxation, theft. You start taking your candy and saying.

[Buck Sexton]

You bite one of their Twix bars in half, you're just like, taxation.

[Clay Travis]

That's right.

[Buck Sexton]

Get used to it. That's how. That's how it goes. I would say the one candy that I would throw under the bus, people always say candy corn. No, it's got nice colors to it. It's very festive. So. And candy corn in moderation is okay. I think Tootsie Rolls are trash. Trash. Way too chewy. There have been Tootsie Rolls that I could load in to my heckler and Coke and fire it out and it would be just fine. Like, Tootsie Rolls are trash.

[Clay Travis]

I think they're mediocre. Let me give you one that's under. Under respected, that should be higher ranked. The Payday Payday is a great candy bar that no one respects, no one gives any support to. You'll never find it in the Halloween candy tray.

[Buck Sexton]

Is this a Southern thing? I don't even know what a payday is. It's just like you guys calling everything Pop like a bunch of weirdos.

[Clay Travis]

No, no, Pop is the Midwest. We're Coke. Oh, everything is.

[Buck Sexton]

Sorry, you call everything Coke? I just refer to the sodas by the name of the soda clay. It's a crazy thing we do in the Northeast.

[Clay Travis]

Everything's a Coke. When we come Buck you've got a solo tomorrow because I'm traveling. Congrats to Julie Talbot, our boss on the hall of Fame induction. I'm headed there.

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[Clay Travis]

The NFL International games continue on NFL Network and here our stars come out in the morning.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Let's go.

[Clay Travis]

Week 10 Bajan Robinson and the Falcons take on Daniel Jones and the Colts in Berlin.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Fireworks in the fourth quarter.

[Clay Travis]

Then in week 11, Jaden Daniels and the Commanders face Tua and the Dolphins in Madrid.

[Guest / Interviewee (Lieutenant Governor of Indiana)]

Snooze off.

[Clay Travis]

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