← The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
It's a Numbers Game: Ryan Girdusky Calls Out Vivek Ramaswamy: American Identity, Citizenship, and Power Politics
00:39:19
Loading summary
Transcript42 lines
- [00:00]
Podcast Host
This is an iHeart podcast.
- [00:02]
Unrivaled Basketball Announcer
Guaranteed human season two of unrivaled basketball is here and the talent is unreal. The best women's players on the planet are running it back with even bigger moments and bigger stakes. Don't miss as Paige Becker, Snafeeza Collier, Kelsey Plumb, Brianna Stewart and more take the court and redefine the game. This isn't your regular season. This is unrivaled, where the pace is faster, the energy is higher and every athlete shines. Unrivaled basketball season two, sponsored by Samsung Galaxy, tips off January 5 on TNT, TruTV and HBO.
- [00:34]
Public Investing Sponsor
Max support for the show comes from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On Public, you can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index with AI. It all starts with your prompt. From renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year, you can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work. It's IT screens thousands of stocks, builds a one of a kind index and lets you back test it against the S&P 500. Then you can invest in a few clicks. Generated assets are like EFTs with infinite possibilities, completely customizable and based on your thesis, not someone else's. Go to public.com podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio. That's public.com podcast paid for by Public Investing Brokerage Services by Open to the Public Investing Inc. Member FINRA SIPC Advisory Services by Public Advisors, llc. SEC Registered Advisor Generated Assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not investment recommendation or advice. Complete disclosures available at public.com disclosures this.
- [01:44]
Jacob Goldstein (What's Your Problem?)
Is Jacob Goldstein from what's yous Problem? When you buy business software from lots of vendors, the costs add up and it gets complicated and confusing. Odoo solves this. It's a single company that sells a suite of enterprise apps that handles everything from accounting to inventory to sales. Odoo is all connected on a single platform in a simple and affordable way. You can save money without missing out on the features you need. Check out odoo@odoo.com that's o d o.
- [02:16]
Whimsound Sponsor
O.Com bring incredible sound into every corner of your home this holiday with the new Wimsound smart speaker. Get high resolution audio with a 1.8-inch touchscreen, smart control and modern design in one powerful speaker for just $2.99 from Quiet Mornings to lively holiday gatherings. Windsound makes every moment sound better and feel better too. Get the Gift of the Season for the music enthusiast in your life or for yourself. Whimsound Beautifully designed, effortlessly connected. Shop now at Amazon and search Whimsound. That's wiimsound this holiday season, give the gift.
- [02:49]
Podcast Host
Everyone will gather around a Vizio Smart TV now available at Walmart. From a super sized 100 inch TV to QLED TVs of all sizes, Vizio delivers breathtaking color and crystal clear picture quality that takes entertainment to the next level. Plus with Watch Free plus built in, they can enjoy free live and on demand TV right out of the box. Have a music lover on your list. They can stream their favorite music on the iHeartRadio app, ready to go on every Vizio TV. The perfect gift is waiting. Head to Walmart.com and discover Vizio TVs today.
- [03:20]
Ryan Grudusky
It's that special time of the year. No, not Christmas. Tis the season for Vivek Ramaswamy to lecture Americans about how awful they can possibly be. Welcome back to A Numbers Game with Ryan Grudusky. Now for those of you who have a healthy relationship with social media and you don't read the New York Times, you may have missed Republican candidate for governor of Ohio and failed presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy busy lecturing Americans. Now for those of you who don't remember last year on Christmas Eve, Vivek Ramaswamy decided to go on a Twitter rant talking about how tech entrepreneurs hire immigrants over Americans. Because our culture, the American culture, venerates mediocrity and laziness. We celebrate athletes and prom queens and pop their kids instead of nerds. And that American parents were failing their kids because they let them do extracurricular activities and sleepovers instead of math leaks. You know, they treated their children like children instead of like employees to get the maximum turnout possible from them. And as evidence for this was TV shows from the 90s like Boy Meets World, Family Matters and Saved by the Bell. In other words, Vivek Ramaswamy's decades of resentment that he was never popular. He was beat up in school by black kids and felt isolated by white kids. Finally boiled over. Took 30 years, but it finally happened on Christmas Eve of last year. Well, this Christmas season, Vivek is here to lecture us again about how this incredible country that our ancestors built doesn't really belong to us. It belongs to anyone who believes what Vivek believes. In the New York Times, Vivec attempts to inject himself in the fight against Nick Fuentes and the gripers in the far right who celebrate, quote, unquote, heritage Americans. What is a heritage American, you might ask? It is a very loose term referring to people whose ancestry in this country dates back to the American Revolution or before. Yours truly is a heritage American. My paternal grandmother's family came on the Mayflower and they fought in the Revolutionary war. According to Ancestry.com 60% of all Americans can trace their ancestry back to the American Revolution as recently as 2010. So as recently in 2010, a majority of Americans were heritage Americans. And they came in all different races, shapes, sizes and colors and creeds. That is not good enough for that Ramaswamy to sit there and, you know, instead of applauding about mass assimilation, about intermarriage between descendants of immigrants and founding stock Americans. You know, like in my family, my mother is the great granddaughter of Italian immigrants. She is not a heritage American, but her children are and her grandchildren are because they have intermarried. She married my father who was heritage American. And we tie our nation's past with our nation's future in this beautiful collective way that is very unique to America and that, you know, our family trees kind of all intertwine into our both our history. We can look at our past and say eventually a majority can look at our past and say we were part of that effort to make this country over time. But VC doesn't see it that way because VC is not obviously a heritage American. He sits there and says that being a heritage American is in fact not a defining part of America and America's identity. He writes, quote, this view is now popularized by the Groiper Right, a rapidly ascended online movement that argues that for the creation of a white centric identity. This is a predictable response, one that I anticipated in my book Nation of Victims to Anti white Discrimination over the last half decade and is no longer just a fringe viewpoint. Stop. First of all, Vivec does not write his books. V's books are ghost, written allegedly by someone from the Manhattan Institute. I know their name, but I'm not going to say it because I don't want any complaints. But he does not write any of his books. I continue the alternative and in my view the correct vision of American identity is based on ideals. This is what Vivec writes. Americanism isn't a scholar quality that varies based on your ancestry. It's binary. Either you're an American or you're not. You're an American if you believe in the rule of law in the Freedom of conscience in the freedom of expression in colorblindness, meritocracy in the US Constitution, in the American dream, and if you are a citizen who swears exclusive allegiance to our nation. He goes on to rant and rave about Nick Fuente as the great person the Cost of living. And his follow up to the op ed was a speech of the Turning Point USA conference where he said that the idea of, quote, heritage American is more American than another American is unamerican at its core. Quote, the online comment threads of Twitter might preach that our lineage is our strength. No, I'm sorry, our lineage is not our strength. Our true strength is what unites us across the diversity and through that lineage. That is a word salad of garbage. So I want to break down Vivek's op ed and his speech and the idea behind behind it. But first, I need to talk a little bit about Vivek the man. Because those of you who kind of know who Vivek is because you've seen him on cable news or some podcast and you say yourself, wow, he says a lot of buzzwords that I really like. He's an interesting guy. I think I like him. I think I agree with him. He seems friendly, he seems patriotic. That's probably how your relationship to Vivek Ramaswamy is. You know a little bit about him, but not a ton. You've seen him, you've seen him say and repeat the same buzzwords over and over again on a number of cable shows and podcasts, but they're only skin deep. They're not a real thought piece. Where he says something, you say, wow, oh my God, I've never thought of that before. But that doesn't offer that. You know, you need to understand something too much, my dear listeners need to understand about that. Ramaswamy Vivek is the Nigerian prince of the Republican Party promising you money and riches if you just give him your Social Security number, your mother's mother's maiden name, and your name of your very first pet. He is a scam artist to his core. He is a liar. He is someone who has definitely perpetuated falsehoods on voters and on Republicans. And I need to bring it up to you because I've seen a number of politicians who lie, who fib. I brought up a couple of them in the past. Vivek is one of the worst, who is not yet a politician, not yet an elected politician, but is trying very, very. Let's start at the beginning. Vivek, for all his comments about how someone becomes an American and is an American, was not born to American citizens. His mother and father were here on work visas. She did not take a test as Avexa to show how much she agree with the ideology of the founding fathers or colorblind meritocracy or the free market. She just got a job and had a baby and that baby got citizenship. That's all it was. There was no further reasoning or belief system behind it. That Vivek says, what is an American? Two points worth noting. Vivek oftentimes lies in interviews about his parents origin story. During presidential debate, he said they came to this country with nothing, but they came to this country with a work visa. And his father was an engineer and his mother was a doctor. So pump the brakes on that, you know, idea of rags to riches. It's also worth pointing out that President Trump doesn't believe that people who come to this country on temporary visas and have babies, that those babies should be citizens. He is fighting this actively in the Supreme Court. So if President Trump had been president 40 years ago and settled this case, you know, in that decade, Vivek would have never been offered citizenship to begin with. So Vivek's clear statement about his birth and about why he's a citizen, how he's a citizen, one, it's full of contrary comments because his mother and father never had to take assistantship tests. I believe his father's still not even a citizen. And secondly, had President Trump been president then and had President Trump, you know, if he's successful this time, a future VC would never be a citizen to begin with because they are here temporarily on just a temporary work visa. When this was brought up to Vivek Ramaswamy in an interview, that, you know, the fact that his parents were not citizens when they came here, they were just on a temporary work visa, that his citizenship is just because of a Supreme Court ruling that states that, you know, you're naturalized if you're just born here through a retelling of the 14th Amendment, which was designed just for the descendants of slaveries. He gets very defensive and he's inserting that Americans, no matter how long they've been here, well, we're all just citizens via birthright. We're just like him. I believe in being consistent about my policies. Where. So your father is not a citizen of the United States. He's not. Okay. And your mother, when did your mom take the citizenship test?
- [11:36]
Unrivaled Basketball Announcer
Was it before or after you were born?
- [11:38]
Ryan Grudusky
After I was born. After you were born.
- [11:40]
Podcast Host
Okay.
- [11:41]
Ryan Grudusky
After years of being in this, you know, following the legal process of, of becoming a naturalized citizen. She followed it through the legal process. And I think you gained birth, you gained citizenship through birthright, but you gained citizenship through birthright. Citizenship in that sense too, right?
- [11:56]
Public Investing Sponsor
I mean, every American.
- [11:58]
Ryan Grudusky
So what I want to do is revive a vision of citizenship where every kid who just, just a backtrack so your father is not a citizen. They came to this country legally. Okay. This is a tactic that Beck often uses when he's pointed to him that you don't have a long standing connection to this country or to its people. When it was pointed out by Glenn Beck that he is in fact a Hindu, which means he's a polytheist. He believes in many gods, including cow gods. I'm not saying, I'm not shaming him. He is what he believes in, though. Something far removed from what the majority of Americans who are mostly of the Abrahamic faith, either Christianity, Judaism or Islam. Far removed from that. He gets extremely defensive. And not only does he say that he can relate to Christians, he says that he is in fact more Christian than some Christians. The acceptance of a Hindu as the President of the United States. I say this as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ. So that's not Christian enough for a lot of Christians.
- [13:00]
Public Investing Sponsor
Have we passed that? I think it depends on the person.
- [13:03]
Ryan Grudusky
Right? I mean, whether you're a Christian or whether you're a person of a different faith.
- [13:09]
Public Investing Sponsor
I understand this is a nation founded.
- [13:11]
Ryan Grudusky
On Judeo Christian values.
- [13:13]
Public Investing Sponsor
And Glenn, I think I can say.
- [13:14]
Ryan Grudusky
This with deep, honest conviction here.
- [13:17]
Public Investing Sponsor
I share those same Judeo Christian values more so than even many self professed.
- [13:23]
Ryan Grudusky
Christians Christians across the country. Okay. This is the pattern of a deeply insecure man who insists that he has. His connection is actually stronger than yours is. He faints outrage at the fact that you notice that he's different. The fact that you notice that he is very, very close to, you know, he's, he's a child of immigrants. The fact that he is not, does not follow the same faith as the super majority of Americans. And all while hoping that you don't notice the fact that he has constantly been reinventing himself like, you know, like an aging pop star. He broke into the national scene when his book Woke Inc. Came out in August 2021. It was ghostwritten book, by the way. In his book, which I have, I had it right actually next to me, but I must have moved it. He was, is when I, when I think he gave it to me actually when I met him at CPAC that year. Anyway, in his book book Vivek details how corporations have sold out to wokeness like the ideas like ESG and dei. It seemed like a no brainer to listen to a guy like this on the subject. Vivek would have been wildly successful in business. He had worked at hedge funds and he started his own biotech company. Vivek employed the service of public relations teams and paid influencers to put himself out there and become quickly a household name among Republicans. He did a very good job at that rollout. Little note that Vivek did not tell his growing fan base was that his company, the one he founded and ran as CEO launched a non profit committed to dei. This is while he was saying DEI was horrible. It was like with esg one of the worst things possible. He remained that company CEO until 2020 and chairman until 20 and still holds a large stake in it. Another little thing he never mentioned to his growing fan base was that he became very rich in 2015 by basically defrauding. I don't want to say defrauding by having a pump and dump, allegedly. I think that would be a fair way to sit there and say it. In 2015, at age 29, Ramaswamy acquired a failed Alzheimer's drug candidate called Interp Interpedine. I'm sorry if I mispronounced that. You know guys, you know pronunciation is not my. My strong smooth so strong suit. Anyway, he acquired it for $5 million. Ramaswamy spun it out into a new subsidiary called Axovant Sciences, which he positioned as a high potential biotech focus on neurodivergent diseases, specifically Alzheimer's. Axovant quickly became public in June 2015 with one of the largest biotech IPOs at the time raising $315 million and achieving an evaluation of 3 billion despite not having any approved products and relying heavily on the Alzheimer's medication. Now, the Alzheimer's medication had failed its second round of CL trials twice in a single year. So why did people all of a sudden get so excited about this new Alzheimer's medication? It had to do with Vex Mother, a geriatric psychiatrist with prior experience at pharmaceutical companies like Merck. She served as the vice president of medical affairs at Axivan and contributed her clinical expertise in dementia and Alzheimer's care. Sources indicate she was involved in a key phase 2 clinical trial with the Alzheimer's drug involving 684 patients. After axivant acquired the drug from its primary owner, where it had previously failed multiple tests. The trial showed some positive signals, which helped few hype into this new company. She later co authored and presentations and posters about the drug's data, including a baseline characteristics of the Phase 3 mindset trial. Additionally, she came out of retirement to lead Axraman's outreach efforts to physicians and caregivers about dementia patients. So in other words, Vivek buys a drug that had failed multiple times, gets his mom to do a study on whether or not it's good to go for another round of trials, raises a ton of money, and when the bottom falls out, they cash out. Vivek became very, very, very wealthy from this company based, by the way, out of Bermuda to avoid certain taxes. Now, you don't say Ryan, I don't care about his business dealings. I don't care about the past, you know, or even at the DEI nonprofit or having a ghostwritten book about corporate DEI while having a DEI nonprofit. What about his policies? Yep, full of hypocrisies there too. Like the time that he said that he cried on January 6th watching our Capitol being stormed and then insisted, no, it was actually just an FBI hit job. I don't know why he would cry about an inside job by the FBI for or the time that he said that he respected what Mike pence did on January 6th and he would have done the same thing before saying that. Actually, no, he wouldn't have done that. He would basically call for another election a do over or the time of celebrated Juneteenth only to say a few months later that it was a useless holiday. He said climate change was absolutely real before a few months later saying that it was a hoax. He said we should cut aid to Israel before saying we should not cut aid to Israel. He called Tick Tock digital fentanyl before making an account and being opposed to the ban of Tick Tock. Then on the campaign trail in Ohio as governor, he made a video saying that he wanted to have school 12 months a year, basically abolish the summer break. You know, he thinks American children are too lazy and too coddle to begin with. So that backfired. Him and his campaign told conservative allies in the media that the whole thing was fake. It was just AI when and it turned out to be completely true, he did actually make that video. There's also Vivek's current business, which he moved out of the state of Ohio to Texas three months before announcing his run for governor. I'm sure that had nothing to do with the possibility of the Ohio Ethics Commission looking into financial interests connected to the state and having to have a disclose it, he'd have to disclose all of a sudden all his financial interest connected to the state of Ohio. Now I'm sure it's nothing to do with that. I'm sure it makes perfectly sense to move all your jobs three months before announcing your run for governor. Shows how good you are a businessman for workers in that state. There can't possibly be anything shady there. Now there is nothing but Beck Ramaswamy will not do or say at any given moment this man who has a company based out of Bermuda that could avoid taxes, only registered to vote for president, only register to vote when he was running for president. And the first job that Doge cut was his because Elon Musk couldn't stand him. He has the worst case of central character syndrome that has been ever been documented. A man who looks like the Indian version of Jimmy Neutron trying to ask the Jewish question. He's someone who has spent his life repeatedly rejected by Americans, either in schools or social settings or running for president. And so he has made his life's mission to govern you, to govern this country whose people he views as lazy, as mediocre and has rejected affected him time after time. And for whatever reason, it's Christmas time that he is the most triggered to remind Americans why their country, the country that their ancestors built, whether that he likes or not, really doesn't belong to them. It belongs to anybody. It belongs to any person who can just sit here and, and you know, believes what he believes. And you, how dare you complain about losing your job or being replaced or that your kids, you know, you let your kids play sports and you let them have sleepover so you deserve that they can't sit there and get ahead. That's the core of who this man is. He is a cars who speaks for applause lines. He was a member of the Soros Foundation Fellowship, which is interesting. He says he needed the fellowship because he couldn't pay for college. But he was already a millionaire by the time he applied for college, applied for law school and unfortunately for the people Ohio, he's the leading candidate for governor. And if you believe Vivek, if you believe that he is out there to create sound policies and he just wants good governance. A man who's never even served on jury duty before or voted for anyone besides himself and you have fallen for the motherload of con artists. Please do yourself a favor and don't ever click on an unknown link in an email that you receive from an anonymous sender or give your credit card information away to someone on the phone that randomly calls you. You are too gullible for this world. Okay? That's who Vivek is. The person, the man. Let me discuss the point of his comments. Not just the man, but the idea he's putting out there and the con he is inflicting on the people of Ohio.
- [21:25]
Unrivaled Basketball Announcer
Season 2 of unrivaled basketball is here and the talent is unreal. Paige Beckers, Nafiza Collier, Kelsey Plumb, Brianna Stewart and more are back to redefine the game. Unrivaled basketball season two, sponsored by Samsung Galaxy, tips off January 5 on TNT, TruTV and HBO.
- [21:40]
Public Investing Sponsor
Max support for the show comes from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On Public, you can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index with AI. It all starts with your prompt. From renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year, you can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work. It screens thousands of stocks, builds a one of a kind index and lets you back test it against the S&P 500. Then you can invest in a few clicks. Generated assets are like EFTs with infinite possibilities, completely customizable and based on your thesis, not someone else's. Go to public.com podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio. That's public.com podcast paid for by Public Investing Brokerage Services by Open to the Public Investing Inc. Member FINRA SIPC Advisory Services by Public Advisors, llc. SEC Registered Advisor Generated Assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not investment recommendation or advice. Complete disclosures available at public.com disclosures this.
- [22:50]
Jacob Goldstein (What's Your Problem?)
Is Jacob Goldstein from what's yous Problem? When you buy business software from lots of vendors, the costs add up and it gets complicated and confusing. Odoo solves this. It's a single company that sells a suite of enterprise apps that handles everything from accounting to inventory to sales. Odoo is all connected on a single platform in a simple and affordable way. You can save money without missing out on the features you need. Check out Odoo at o d o o.com that's o d o o.com bring.
- [23:22]
Whimsound Sponsor
Incredible sound into every corner of your home this holiday with the new Whim Sound Smart Speaker. Get high resolution Audio with a 1.8-inch touchscreen, smart control and modern design in one powerful speaker for just $299 from Quiet Mornings to lively holiday gatherings, Winsound makes every moment sound better and flat feel better too. Get the Gift of the season for the music enthusiast in your life or for yourself? Whim Sound Beautifully designed, effortlessly connected. Shop now at Amazon and search Whim Sound that's W I I M S.
- [23:52]
Podcast Host
O u n d this holiday season, give the gift of incredible sound with Vizio's full soundbar lineup, available at Walmart. Transform any living room into a home theater with rich, immersive audio that brings every movie, show and song to life. Whether you're gifting a loved one or upgrading your own setup, Vizio soundbars deliver powerful, crystal clear sound that turns ordinary watching into extraordinary experiences. Stream your favorite holiday Playlist with the iHeartRadio app and discover how good your music can truly sound. Head to Walmart.com and find your perfect Vizio soundbar today.
- [24:25]
Ryan Grudusky
So the argument Vivek is trying to promote over the weekend is it's something that he has said in the past that American citizenship isn't tied to lineage. Being an American, the American identity isn't tied to lineage. It's tied to the share ideals like the rule of law, freedom of conscience, freedom of expression, and colorblind meritocracy in the US Constitution and the American Dream. If you are a citizen who swears exclusive allegiance to our country, you don't have any other allegiance or any, I guess, other citizenship to another country. And he's the notion of heritage American is a proof that of a failed ideology. He implies Biden. The idea that Biden is more American than Trump because Trump is the son of an immigrant from Scotland. Or Bernie Sanders is more American than Bernie Marino, an immigrant from South America. Or Elizabeth Warren is more American than Marco Rubio, the son of an immigrant from Cuba. All of which are utter loony ideas. Any American citizen is American. Period. Let's stop there for just one second. That's what Vivek sets there and says. First of all, no one is coming to this country to take a political ideology test. No one is becoming a citizen and has to say that they believe what Marco Rubio or Bernie Marino or any of these people believe, or Donald Trump. It's literally just a bunch of beliefs he made up as the appropriate ones. Right? It's not how to become a good citizen or a real American, it's how to become mostly a good Republican, honestly, is what he's sitting there and saying as his core beliefs. What about people who change their minds? What about people who come to this country and they Start out as a, you know, Vivek Ramaswamy American and then become liberal. Are they un American because their opinions change center? Bernie Marino used to be very progressive. As a Republican from Ohio, he supported DEI policies including 14 trillion in reparations for black Americans. And he switches opinion. Was he not an American then and he is an American now? What about Ariana Huffington? She's an immigrant who was very patriotic before becoming utterly insane and supporting a number of things that opposes in his list. Did she lose her American identity because she changed her mind? Because that's what Vivek's saying. It's just a state of mind. Also, what's Vivek's plan for all these non Americans living in our country? If Vivek really believed this? If he says you are not an American if you don't believe this thing or that thing, which by the way, he doesn't. By the way, this whole thing, this whole right off the New York Times is utterly bogus. He doesn't believe this because if you believed it, you would call for a national, a massive national denaturalization program based on our non shared beliefs. Hassan Piker, a bisexual twitch streamer, is actively supporting communism and is recently in China. Talk about how great their system is. Is he going to be denaturalized? What about Ibram x Kendi? Is he. He's actually called for the Constitution to be shredded and an office of Anti Racism to control all things local and federal. He doesn't believe in freedom of speech at all, freedom of conscience, nothing. Is Vivek going to denaturalize Ibram x Kendi? How is Ibram x Kennedy a non American according to Vivek standards? How is he allowed to vote in our country? Shouldn't this be a national emergency? See, Vivek is doing what so many conservative commentators have done. They're using white liberals as the punching bag because of course they can. It's easy. White liberals aren't insufferable people. But notice how he never brought up any of these black Democrats who have histories that go to slavery. Because that'd be uncomfortable. That'd be really weird for him. He doesn't want to sit there and talk about how the descendants of slaveries have no lineage to this country. Their lineage doesn't matter because it's. It is such a part of not only American identity, but definitely black American identity. So no, he attacks Elizabeth Warren because it's easy to hate her. She's annoying. I get it. Vivek also likes to use this very Stupid quote from Ronald Reagan. Reagan said, you can go to France, but you won't be a Frenchman. You can move to Italy or Germany, but you'll never be Italian or German. You can live the rest of your life in China, but you'll never be Chinese. But America is different. We're a nation based on ideals and that's what makes us exceptional. It's such a stupid Reagan quote. None of that is true. The leading contender of for the President of France has immigrant parents from Italy. Like all the great Reagan quotes, VC uses the stupidest one for his opinion. Here's a more accurate quote from President Charles de Gaul of France on immigration, especially that country. Jagal said, it is very good that there are black Frenchmen, brown Frenchmen, yellow Frenchmen for the show that France is a universal vocation. However, they must always remain a small minority. Otherwise France will no longer be France. We are, we must not forget we are a nation born on the Christian religion, Greco Roman culture and the white race. In other words, France can allow anyone to be French. Right? But if the native French become a minority in their own country, they will lose that country. And no matter how many times a vex says the following quote, no matter your ancestry, if you wait your term to obtain citizenship, you are every bit as American as a Mayflower descendant. As long as you subscribe to the creed of America's founding and the culture was born in what makes American exceptionalism possible. That is utter bullshit. My friend Rufus, and he's known on Twitter as West side La Guy. I had to say, you know, he asked me to promote it because he made a good point. He said the main reason someone comes to this country to become a citizen isn't because they believe in some foundational creed or some shared ideology. No. 66 to 70% of immigrants in our country who come here, who become citizens come here because they're related to somebody through a family reunification visa. That's all it is. That's literally all it is. If you are related to somebody, you can get a visa. If you are direct relative of somebody, you can get a visa. And if you wait long enough in line and memorize six questions on a test that include how many senators are there? And what are the stars on our nation's flag represent? Then, boom. You are an American. That's it. That's all it is. It's empty, it's hollow, it's gross. It's the reason why so many conservatives have turned against mass immigration and Vivek's vision for what American is over the last few years is because those of us who have been here for generations, for centuries or at least a century, those we as descendants of those generations, are continually asked to make sacrifices on behalf of those who have just come. It was white millennial men that was discussed in a recent paper from Compact magazine that is sat there and said that we suffered the most our generation did through the 2020 DEI policies. Right. We had to diversify the workplace, especially for recent immigrants. Recent immigrants, mind you, who use the black experience in this country, which was, you know, since slavery suffered real discrimination, they have piggybacked on that to reap the rewards. Like things like minority owned business loans and opportunity zones. They were never part of that massive struggle that does intertwine people who have been in this country for generations. No, it means something very different for Vivek Ramaswamy than it has for the families who have fought every single American war that have spent generations building this land and being born on it and dying in it and fielding, you know, harvests and working in factories and protecting personal economic freedoms so that Vivek Ramaswamy's parents can come to this country and enjoy it. You should at least. Oh, a sense of gratitude towards the people who for generations serve in this country in one capacity or the other. But no, Vivek, America is not great just because our ideas are great and America is not great just because we offer opportunities to foreigners because. And apparently that's what Vivek entire entire rationale is to avec the idea that America is so generous to everyone in the world. Well, that's a recent thing that only existed since the Hart Cellar act was overturned in 1965. Before then, I guess it was a terrible place because it was so homogeneously, you know, Western European. It must really hurt Vivek's feelings that the founding Fathers, who is constantly sort of talking about in the first Congress, those, you know, those people who created the Constitution, one of their first acts was sitting there and saying that only white people could become citizens. That was one of their first things was excluding other people. It was very much part of, of what it was to be an American in that time. In the preamble of the Constitution, it says, we the people, United States, in order to make a form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. That is literally in the preamble of the Constitution, our descendants, our lineage and the first citizenship, you know, which was towards whites. That didn't change to add to blacks till the 1870s. And even when it was added to blacks during the reconstruction, it was not added to non, non, non blacks, non whites. It was not added to everyone in the entire world. That was barred until 1952 and from the and countries and that the countries of the world weren't allowed to immigrate to America until 1965. So this idea that Vex speaks of that you know, this founding principle of America was based on, if his family could get here, that is a relatively new concept. It is divorced from the original founding documents and the original founding fathers. You know, this idea is younger than my parents are. If America is only a set of ideals, if it's only a list of principles of Vivek Ramaswamy can get published in the New York Times and has nothing to do with the people, people who have lived here, who have built it. Why has it been tried in other countries and failed? Why can't you just make an America anywhere if it's just the ideas? Liberia in Africa literally was founded on a copy of the American Constitution. And for the fierce few presence of Liberia, we're all American and it currently has a GDP per capita of 900 a year. No one is knocking on the door to move to Liberia. They're just not. If Vivek is so sure America is just an idea, then why hasn't he gone to all the places in the world he could have made tons of money just making New Americas. It would have been, would have been, you know, an investor's dream to have prosperity and tranquility and peace and prosperity everywhere. Booming markets. Why is it the people who believe in the idea always seem to come here instead of bringing those ideas back to their parents native country? While it's true that anyone can become an American, especially over many generations, it is not true that it can be done at the scale of millions per year. You cannot just have the same country with the different people. Yes, Ayan or she, Ali Dinesh d', Souza, Ludwig von Mises, Jerry Springer all moved here, became fully American. You can absolutely assimilate the individual. We can have a diverse population who come here, who spend a lot of time here, who spend generations here, who fully integrate and fully marry and, and all the rest of it. Because the root of Americans. But you cannot do that at a scale where the entire nation's population is being replaced or being dwarfed. Right. Because the root of America's identity is the American people. If you ever replace a majority of Americans with any other population in the world. I don't care if they're Russians or Palestinians or Indians or Chinese or Nigerians, anywhere, Brazilians, anywhere. You will no longer have the United States. If you replace our population now, you will, even with the same ideals, you will have the same level of corruption, the same level of welfare. You will have less free, less prosperous and less tolerant people. A less tolerant nation. This has been studied over and over and over again by the way that mass diversity not only sits there and inflicts a large amount of social distrust among people who look. Look like you, look like different than you. They look a lot like you, right? 2000, Robert Putnam's seminal work Bowling Alone. He says, when you push more diversity into a community, the fewer people vote, the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and the less they trust one another. Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of cancer cells, libertarians and open border activists. Vivek isn't putting out this ideology because it's true. He is doing it because he thinks it's his way of rejecting Nick Fuentes and reapers and racism and anti Semitism and all those horrible things. But he's saying it because if you reject those things, which you should reject, it means you have no connection to this ancestors, to what they built, to this innate heritage that you may feel pride in. Right? You feel pride that your ancestors and you are part of a collective change, literally. In Russell Kirk's book about conservatism of the conservative mind, this is innately how we feel. Why do heritage Americans feel a certain way about America that is different than immigrants? It's like asking why do you feel a different way about your wife than a relative does? It's just different. And that's okay. And it for. And it's okay, by the way, to be a recent immigrant. It's okay to be a minority in this country. We allow it. We allow them to prosper, we allow them to thrive. We allow them to be fully American and have equal rights as us. That's a great thing, but it has to be done in scale and in proportion and a little bit, just one ounce of thank you. I am so proud to be part of this experiment, this part of this nation that other people built so I can enjoy would be very, very nice. And for all the people in the media clapping for Vivek, that they saying the speech was wonderful. It was such a great speech. Those who are falling for con, con artists like, you know, Mark Thiessen, who's been non Stop talking about how wonderful. And all these founders from Silicon Valley, they're all people who just can't replace Americans with robots, you believe you are taking a noble stand for America. I understand why you're doing, why you're clapping for Vivek. You believe that you are taking a stand that is in Reagan's vision against what the reapers say, that you are the saint. But I, it's hard for me to explain to these people. You are of a certain age where you are not speaking anything to these young people who feel isolated, who are being lured into gripers. You are not, you are not doing a single ounce of service to what you believe you are fighting for. When you clap for Vivek Ramaswamy because you say to a young person whose family has been here for two or 300 years, for somebody who doesn't do a ton of history research, doesn't do a ton of ancestry, so she just knows that they have pride, their family's been part of this country for a very, very long time and sacrificed. And then you tell him that he doesn't have any more right to this country or he doesn't have any more identity to this country, a country that not only that he's known, but the only one that anyone in his living relatives have ever known. He doesn't have any more connection and identity to that part of himself than someone who just showed up yesterday, who did not take a freaking test to see how American they are. They believe that they are of equal standing. And then you say in the next breath that Jews deserve their own state because of either political reasons or religious reasons. I promise you, you are making a radical. You are turning him into some. You might as well sign him up to, to be a griper. Personally. And for the record, I 100 support the Jewish state of Israel and believe they should have their own autonomy. I'm not questioning that. I'm not sitting there and saying this because. So it's open up the door to another question about Israel. It's not that bad at all. You have to see yourself as an older millionaire telling a younger person that they do not have a connection that is special to their country and it is equal to somebody whose mother was on a temporary work visa and popped out a baby. You might as well be injecting them with anti Semit Semitic feelings in real time. Clapping for Vivek on this. You might as well subscribe them to Nick Fuentes's show personally. To Nick, to Candace, to Tucker, to everyone you think has too much influence and you know that they are toxic people that they should be, you know, purged from society. Go tell a kid whose family's been here for 200 years and feel special pride that they are as equally as American as someone who came on a diversity visa from Portugal or Afghanistan in the last few weeks and committed an act of terrorism. You are so, so. You're doing so much damage. You are not helping anyone in this very tense part of the conservative movement. That is very tense time in the conservative movement. It is the people who make this country, not some random checklists of vague platitudes like live, Laugh, Love that Vivek assembled. I'm going to close by asking why do you really think Vivek has started to inject himself on this conversation when he's going on cable news or writing out beds or speaking at Turning Point? Why did reject himself because he wants to stake out a position showing he's not J.D. vance, who has talked about how a lineage matters in this country. He is not like the hardliners because he believes that he can run for president. It's all it's about. It's literally all it's about. It's about sitting there and saying if JD goes down in 2028 for whatever reason, then he has a prime time chance of being president. It's all about power. It's all about influence. It's nothing but America or its people. It comes down to to all about Vivek. That's all he is interested in is himself. It's always ever been interested in Ask Me Anything is coming up next.
- [42:01]
Unrivaled Basketball Announcer
Season two of Unrivaled basketball is here and the talent is unreal. Paige Beckers, Nafisa Collier, Kelsey Plum, Brianna Stewart and more are back to redefine the game. Unrivaled basketball season two, sponsored by Samsung Galaxy, tips off January 5 on TNT, True TV and HBO.
- [42:16]
Public Investing Sponsor
Max support for the show comes from Public Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On public you can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index. With AI, it all starts with your prompt. From renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year. You can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work. It screens thousands of stocks, builds a one of a kind index index and let you back test it against the S&P 500. Then you can invest in a few clicks. Generated assets are like EFTs with infinite possibilities completely customizable and based on your thesis, not someone else's. Go to public.com podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio. That's public.com podcast paid for by Public Investing Brokerage Services by Open to the Public Investing Inc. Member FINRA SIPC Advisory Services by Public Advisors, llc SEC Registered Advisor Generated Assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not investment recommendation or advice. Complete disclosures available at public.com disclosures this.
- [43:26]
Jacob Goldstein (What's Your Problem?)
Is Jacob Goldstein from what's yous Problem? Business software is expensive and when you buy software from lots of different companies, it's not only expensive, it gets confusing. Slow to use, hard to integrate. Odoo solves that because all Odoo software is connected on a single affordable platform. Save money without missing out on the features you need. Odoo has no hidden costs and no limit on features or data. Odoo has over 60 apps available for any needs your business might have, all at no additional charge. Everything from websites to sales to inventory to accounting. All linked and talking to each other. Check out Odoo at o d o o.com that's o d o o.com bring.
- [44:10]
Whimsound Sponsor
Incredible sound into every corner of your home this holiday with the new Whim Sound smart speaker. Get high resolution Audio with a 1.8-inch touchscreen, smart control and modern design in one powerful speaker for just $299. From Quiet Mornings to lively holiday gatherings, WIM Sound makes every moment sound better and feel better too. Get the gift of the season for the music enthusiast in your life or for yourself. Whim Sound Beautifully designed, effortlessly connected, connected. Shop now at Amazon and search Whim Sound. That's wiimsound this holiday season.
- [44:41]
Podcast Host
Give the gift. Everyone will gather around a Vizio Smart TV now available at Walmart. From a super sized 100 inch TV to QLED TVs of all sizes, Vizio delivers breathtaking color and crystal clear picture quality that takes entertainment to the next level. Plus, with Watch Free plus built in, they can enjoy free live and on demand TV right out of the box. Have a music lover on your list. They can stream their favorite music on the iHeartRadio app ready to go on every Vizio TV. The perfect gift is waiting. Head to Walmart.com and discover Vizio TVs today.
- [45:12]
Ryan Grudusky
Now it's time for the Ask Me Anything segment. If you want to be part of the Ask Me Anything segment, please email me ryan@NumbersGame podcast.com that's ryanumbers game podcast.com this message comes from Brock. He said, hey Ryan, it's me again. Brock, thank you for emailing me again. I continue to wait on the edge of my seat for your podcast every time it comes out. I'm curious about your prediction of the future of Byron Donalds Florida congressman. Before President Trump was elected, I heard Byron Donalds give the best, clearest and most succinct explanation of Donald Trump's policies that I've ever heard. And I assume you might be part of the Trump administration surprised when he didn't. What are your thoughts about his future aspirations? President or governor or cabinet position? Hope you enjoy Christmas. I hope you enjoy Christmas or Passover Brock or whatever you're doing. Well, obviously he's running for governor and he is leading candidate in the Republican primary, though he's not actually doing as well as I thought he would be doing in the polling given how early he has run and how much money he has. But he's doing fine. He's very likely to win. He's the odds on favor to win right now. And from there, where does he go? It's very hard to sit there and say Brock. I mean a lot of what being present is and running for president is, is just simple timing, let's say for argument's sake. Right, complete argument's sake. And let's just say Ron DeSantis is what? Well, let's say Ron DeSantis and, and Byron Donalds as example. Ron DeSantis governor from 2018 to 2026, Byron Donald from 2026 to 2034. Let's just make those the two, the eight year, that 16 year period. Let's say JD runs for president 2028 and loses. Well, Ronda Santis can run. I mean he's, he was just governor, just, you know, he just subbed down as being governor two years ago ago, two years before that. So he can sit there and get in the news and he'll have a six year period. We'll have to sit there and you know, be interesting and be there. Well, he'll likely win. Probably not, but he will have that window still. Now let's say JD wins and he wins for two terms. Well then you're asking Ron DeSantis to stay relevant in people's minds for almost a decade. It becomes close to impossible. Right. And likewise if JD runs in 2028 and loses, well then you're asking Byron Donalds to all of a sudden inject himself as a possible presidential candidate within a term and a half like Ron DeSantis did, or you're asking him, or, or if J.D. vance wins and he goes to 2036, well, then, then you have to, then he has to keep himself relevant like Nikki Haley did for two more years. So it's really about timing. It's very, you know, it. And what is exciting right now does not mean it's gonna be exciting in four years from now, six years from now. As far as elected officials go, Carrie Lake was, you know, the biggest star of 2017, 2018, and now the idea of her running for higher office is laughable. You know, people burn out and people come up and people are special for a moment. And, and when the window closes, it closes. And it's not always your choice. So I don't know what's in Byron Donald's future, right, aside from the likelihood of becoming governor of Florida. And he just has to do a good job. He can't reverse all the gains that Ron DeSantis made for him. If he does, if he does a terrible job, well, then, you know, likelihood of him becoming president is very thin. That's the best answer I have. We don't really know, except for being governor. And as far as becoming a cabinet official, I guess he probably really didn't want anything because I'm sure he could have fought for something if he wanted it. But I'm sure you want to be governor anyway. Thank you for listening this episode of the podcast. Please like and subscribe. Please like and subscribe. That'd be your Christmas gift to me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, YouTube. Wherever you get this podcast, give me a five star review if you're feeling generous. It helps other people find this show. Thank you guys so much. Merry Christmas. I will send you guys something later this week. Thank you.
- [48:45]
Unrivaled Basketball Announcer
Season two of Unrivaled Basketball is here and the talent is unreal. Paige Beckers, Nafiza Collier, Kelsey Plum, Brianna Stewart and more are back to redefine the game. Unrivaled basketball season two, sponsored by Samsung Galaxy, tips off January 5 on TNT, TruTV and HBO.
- [48:59]
Public Investing Sponsor
Max support for the show comes from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On public, you can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index. With AI, it all starts with your prompt. From renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year, you can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work. It screens thousands of stocks, builds a one of a kind index and lets you back test it against the S&P 500. Then you can invest in a few clicks. Generated assets are like EFTs with infinite possibilities, completely customizable and based on your thesis, not someone else's. Go to public.com podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio. That's public.com podcast paid for by Public Investing Brokerage Services by Open to the Public Investing Inc. Member FINRA SIPC Advisory Services by Public Advisors, llc SEC Registered Advisor Generated Assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not investment recommendation or advice. Complete disclosures available at public.com disclosures this.
- [50:10]
Jacob Goldstein (What's Your Problem?)
Is Jacob Goldstein from what's yous Problem? Business software is expensive and when you buy software from lots of different companies, it's not only expensive, it gets confusing. Slow to use, hard to integrate.
- [50:22]
Ryan Grudusky
Great.
- [50:22]
Jacob Goldstein (What's Your Problem?)
Odoo solves that because all Odoo software is connected on a single affordable platform. Save money without missing out on the features you need. Odoo has no hidden costs and no limit on features or data. Odoo has over 60 apps available for any needs your business might have, all at no additional charge. Everything from websites to sales to inventory to accounting. All linked and talking to each other. Check out Odoo at o d o o.com that's o d o o.com bring.
- [50:54]
Whimsound Sponsor
Incredible sound into every corner of your home this holiday with the new Whim Sound Smart speaker. Get high resolution audio with a 1.8-inch touchscreen, smart control and modern design in one powerful speaker for just $299. From quiet mornings to lively holiday gatherings. Win Sound makes every moment sound better and feel better too. Get the gift of the season for the music enthusiast in your life or for yourself. Whimsound Beautifully designed, effortlessly connected. Shop now at Amazon and search Whimsound. That's W I I m S O u n d I use Shipt Same.
- [51:26]
Podcast Host
Day Delivery to stay connected with my sister during the holidays. She lives across the country. Shipt has tons of stores to order from. Groceries from Albertsons, crafts from Michaels, even pet supplies from Petsmart. The list goes on. So when we have long distance movie night nights, I turn to Shipt to get face masks, snacks and everything else we need delivered to her and to me same day. Download the app or Visit Shipt.
- [51:50]
Ryan Grudusky
Com.
- [51:51]
Podcast Host
That's s h I p p com. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.