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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: It's a Numbers Game: The Numbers Behind Data Centers, Green Energy Failures, and the Grid Crisis
Date: September 8, 2025
Host: Ryan Graduski (filling for Clay Travis and Buck Sexton)
Guest: Daniel Turner, Founder and Executive Director of Power the Future

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the numbers and realities behind America's growing energy crisis, focusing on the massive energy demands of data centers, the failure of green energy policies to deliver on their promises, and the looming crisis for the nation’s power grid. Host Ryan Graduski explores recent polling about voter concerns, particularly around inflation and energy costs, and welcomes energy expert Daniel Turner to break down the impact of surging data center power use on consumers, food prices, and politics. The discussion is grounded in current events but looks toward the major political and economic battles brewing for the 2026 and 2028 elections.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dissecting Recent Polls on Public Opinion

• Low-Quality Polling:

  • Recent polls (SurveyMonkey for NBC News and YouGov for CBS) show Trump's approval struggles around inflation and the economy, but both are large-scale internet surveys with questionable accuracy.
  • Critique: SurveyMonkey polls have high error rates and don’t accurately represent likely voters ([03:30]).
  • "Poll is way too overrepresentative of people who don't vote, never will vote, don't really follow the news and kind of go on vibes" — Ryan Graduski ([05:27])
  • Kernels of Truth:
    • Americans’ top concerns are inflation, the economy, and cost of living, not media-driven controversies.
    • Trump’s push for AI and big tech is out of sync with a worried public—Polls reveal deep suspicion and anxiety about AI's job impact and data privacy.

• Notable Stats Highlighted:

  • 51% worried about AI (Pew), 75% believe AI will reduce jobs (Gallup), 61% think AI could threaten humanity (Reuters) ([09:32]).

2. The Explosion of Data Centers and the Power Grid Crisis

• Energy Consumption Growth:

  • Data centers in the US used 4% of all electricity in 2023, projected to hit 12% by 2028 ([12:09]).
  • A single major data center can use up to 5 million gallons of water daily—"as much water as needed for a town of 50,000 people."
  • Electricity prices have risen faster than general inflation for three consecutive years; up 30% cumulatively since 2020.

• Ripple Effects:

  • AI/data centers contribute substantially to higher costs for grocery stores, food supply chains, and ordinary consumers, beyond fuel and tariffs.

  "The Walmart supercenter or the Costco or the Publix…are spending more to refrigerate them and are moving those prices onto you because we're all on the same power grid."** — Ryan Graduski ([15:50])

3. Corporate Tax Breaks & Populist Backlash

• Taxpayers Subsidize Big Tech:

  • Tax breaks for projects like Meta's Louisiana data center, which will only partly absorb costs for 15 years before passing expenses to consumers ([16:55]).
  • "This is corporatism. This is corporate welfare at its finest." — Ryan Graduski ([16:55])
  • The few jobs created are typically only in construction; long-term data center operations need very few employees.

• Political Prediction:

  • Graduski predicts that surging energy costs, especially for the poor and elderly, will ignite the next major populist political fight—likely the central campaign issue for 2026 and 2028.

  "Wait until an elderly person or working class people have to choose between heating their homes this winter and paying their regular bills as data centers eat up more and more of our energy." — Ryan Graduski ([17:42])

4. Expert Interview: Daniel Turner on Data Centers & Grid Vulnerabilities

Virginia as Ground Zero

• Virginia holds about one-third of all US data centers—these could consume up to 46% of all electricity produced in the state by 2030 ([21:23]).

• Recent utility bill increases in Virginia are 35-40% depending on the region, driven mostly by burgeoning data center demand.

  "The average data center is the equivalent energy consumer of 100,000 homes." — Daniel Turner ([22:10])

Minimal Job Creation

• Data center construction brings some short-term jobs, but operation needs only a skeleton staff—long-term economic benefits are overstated ([23:10]).

Direct Impact on Food & Daily Living Costs

• As data centers and food suppliers compete for ever-scarcer power, everyday costs rise everywhere ([24:44]).
• "When you make energy expensive, you make life expensive... Everything around us... requires energy. Anything grown, manufactured, transported, refrigerated, all of that requires energy." — Daniel Turner ([24:51])

Limits of the Power Grid

• The grid has fixed capacity; too much demand can trigger catastrophic collapse.
• Building new power generation (coal, gas, nuclear) is slow, but new data centers are popping up rapidly ([26:21]).

Failures of Green Energy Policy

• Billions spent on wind/solar generated unreliable results and higher consumer costs ([30:34]).

• ESG and green incentives rewarded corporations and politicians but hurt ordinary ratepayers.

  "The green movement has no wins under its belt except for these fake metrics of which every communist movement has these same fake metrics." — Daniel Turner ([32:24])

Water Use and Regional Drought Risk

• Data center water consumption is severe, particularly in drought-prone areas. "We added the equivalent of 23 million people when it comes to energy and water consumption in our state." — Daniel Turner ([35:03])

Red and Blue State Responsibility

• Both parties support data center growth and unreliable green policies; Texas cited as an example of bipartisan "green stupidity" ([32:59]).

Corporate Influence over Energy Policy

• Politicians often act in response to corporate demands or campaign donations, not public interest.

"No one opened up reactor two for the good of the people of Pennsylvania. They opened it because Microsoft asked for it to open." — Daniel Turner ([37:40])

5. Political and Social Ramifications

• Populist political wave expected over energy costs; elderly and working-class communities most vulnerable.
• Data center and grid crises are under-discussed campaign issues, but likely to erupt by the next election cycles ([36:49]).

6. Ask Me Anything Segment ([43:31])

Political Geography:

• Western New York is politically overlooked due to NYC's dominance in New York state politics.

Migration & Partisanship:

• People who move to new states rarely change their political leanings; internal migration rarely flips state politics.

GOP Social Issues & Religious Voters:

• Religious conservatives may be dissatisfied with the GOP drifting left on social issues, but the lack of alternatives and the extreme leftward shift of Democrats keeps them tethered to the party.

  "I think that the best thing you could do as a religious person is...the Republican party should be tolerant and try to leave people alone." — Ryan Graduski ([47:09])

Notable Quotes

• On Data Center Growth:
  "The average data center is the equivalent energy consumer of 100,000 homes." — Daniel Turner ([22:10])

• On Corporate Welfare:
  "This is corporatism. This is corporate welfare at its finest." — Ryan Graduski ([16:55])

• On Green Energy Failures:
  "Find me any place in the world where [green energy] has worked...the more green you have, the more it has worked. [But actually,] your rates go through the roof." — Daniel Turner ([31:39])

• On Populist Energy Uprising:
  "Wait until an elderly person has to choose between heating their homes this winter and paying their regular bills as data centers eat up more and more of our energy. This is the next populist fight…" — Ryan Graduski ([17:42])

• On Political Inattention:
  "No one's talking about [the data center crisis]...it's not inconceivable that next winter there will be elderly people on fixed income who have to choose how to heat their homes if they can't afford the price of heat." — Ryan Graduski ([36:08])

Key Timestamps

• 03:30 – Critique of recent political polling and what top worries really are for Americans
• 12:09 – How data centers’ energy use is surging; water and electricity implications
• 15:50 – Real impact of electricity cost increases on food and everyday expenses
• 16:55 – Big Tech's tax breaks and mention of Meta's Louisiana data center
• 21:23 – Intro to Daniel Turner; discussion of Virginia’s data center and energy challenges
• 22:10 – How data centers alone drive up power prices massively
• 24:44 – Link between energy costs, Trump’s political vulnerability, and delayed recovery from high utility prices
• 26:21 – Grid limitations and risk of catastrophic collapse
• 30:34 – How green energy incentive programs have failed to deliver affordability or reliability
• 32:59 – Bipartisan failures using Texas as an example
• 35:03 – Data center water use problems in drought-prone southern states
• 36:08 – Political relevance and why politicians aren’t talking about grid issues
• 37:40 – How Microsoft and others push energy infrastructure changes for their own benefit
• 43:31 – Ask Me Anything segment starts

Overall Tone & Takeaways

• The episode is urgent and direct, mixing data-driven analysis with sharp, sometimes humorous, political commentary.
• Both host and guest are blunt in critiquing bipartisan failures on energy, corporatism, and the disconnect between political leadership and working Americans.
• The rise of data center power use is presented not just as an economic concern, but as a political powder keg ready to explode by the next election cycle.

For listeners:
This episode is a must for anyone interested in the intersection of tech, politics, and economics. It provides a critical look at underreported issues—especially the synergy between big tech’s hunger for energy, failed energy policy, and the pain felt by average Americans. It’s especially valuable for understanding why electricity and food costs are rising, and which issues may soon dominate political debate.