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It's a Numbers Game: The Numbers Behind Polling Data, Voter Registration Trends, and America’s Political Divide
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Ryan Graduski
Welcome back to A Numbers Game with Ryan Graduski. It is Thursday, October 2, 2025. We are just 33 days from the elections. If there's an election in your area, local or state, make a plan and go vote. So I want to go over a bunch of interesting data points on polls today in New Jersey nationally and the big question in 2026 of if Republicans can hold the House. I've been thinking about that a lot and I think there's a chance. I never. I'm a pessimist by nature, but a lot's going on. I want to break it down for you and also ask me anything. So I want to go over a bunch of interesting data today. I want to talk about some polling that's national. It' interesting. New Jersey, their election coming up. I know I talked a lot about New Jersey. We're gonna go past New Jersey, I promise. Big question in 2026 if Republicans can hold the House. I am naturally a pessimist, but I have reasons to be optimistic on that proposal. I'm going to break down the data for you and then, of course, ask me anything. But first I want to talk about the government shutdown. So for those who missed it, and it is easy to miss, let's face it, Congress did not pass their spending package and it has a lot to do with the subsidies in the AFF Care act known as Obamacare. I'm not going to give you details with the negotiations because things are moving so quickly, but by the time this episode, you know, I'm recording the day before, by the time the episode comes out tomorrow and by the time that you hear it, maybe the day after, the news may be over. So there's no point to that. But I want to talk about the bigger picture of what's going on. And that's why Senate Democrats and specifically Chuck Schumer are fighting over this and why he is fighting for his political legacy. Schumer has been doing this for a very long time. He's been in elected office at some level continuously since 1975. He is the first Democrat Senate Majority Leader since the late Harry Reid, who had a very substantial massive legislative record during his eight times leading Democrats in the Senate. Eight times, eight years leading Democrats in the Senate. Schumer got just four years at that role as Majority leader and he didn't pass landmark legislation that he thought he would have. Nothing close to Harry Reid, which he got Obamacare and he got the Dodd act on, on banking. I mean, he got a lot of legislation on big transformative legislation. A lot of progressive bills that Schumer hoped to put put out never even got Senate floor votes. Schumer is hoping to retake the majority in 2026, which seems unlikely. But there is a bigger problem for Chuck Schumer. Schumer is facing a bunch of insurgent democr for office, running real legitimate campaigns for office in Maine, Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota and Illinois who are saying that they will not support him as leader or they're not saying anything at all, which is basically the saying the same thing. A Pew Research poll from this week found that Schumer has a 35% approval rating among Democrats nationally and 39% disapproval rating. He is the only national leader who doesn't have support from majority or plurality of his own party. This is a big problem. He is going into Mitch McConnell territory, but without the Mitch McConnell super PACs and money to sit there and push people into supporting McConnell. Let's face it, McConnell, whether you like him or dislike him, was a extremely savvy political operator. I don't think I heard a story once from someone in Kentucky and I think this is true. McConnell never lost an election, even when he ran for school president or classroom president or whatever the case was. He's very, very political savvy. Schumer is not McConnell and he is not Harry Reid. And he is facing this onslaught from Democrats who don't believe that he has the fight. The activist base doesn't want him to represent the party in the Senate and they don't believe that he has what it takes to take on Trump. He's Worried about his political future. What are you? What are you if you're Senator Chuck Schumer, if you're not in the Senate after spending all these decades in elected office, it defines his personality and finds his legacy. And the other problem he faces is that the delegation inside the Democratic delegation, the Senate, it is a lot more left wing than it used to be. Even in 2018, even back when the last government shutdown happened. Democrats like Kirsten Sinema and Joe Manchin and red state Democrats, they're not in office anymore. It's a different coalition. I personally still think they're going to fold the Democrats on the first vote of the budget. They got three Democrats to already break against them. Angus King, who's not a Democrat, he's an Independent, but caucuses with the Democrats. Joe John Fetterman from Pennsylvania and Catherine Cortez Masto from Nevada, they've all voted with the Republicans. It's likely that other ones will break or are talking to break because they are more moderate and because they have a lot to lose by, by the budget not happening and government employees not receiving their paychecks. Overall, Americans don't want a shutdown. They never want to shut down. This is something that I don't really understand why politicians think this is going to be a big win for. It's. It never seems to be. There's never a case where I think someone comes out as a winner being the author of a shutdown. It also doesn't have long term ramifications for the fate of a party. Ultimately, I think that Democrats are overplaying their hand. But Chuck Schumer is playing to save his career and that is what people are not talking about. Enough, okay. Enough of the shutdown. Let's talk about some national polls, specifically the New York Times Sienna poll, which is not the most accurate pollster, but it is the most highly credited poll by other media sources. They love talking about this poll. It's not an unaccurate poll. It's not a bad poll, but it is. The New York Times does a good job with some of their election data analysis, but it is definitely the most high, highest standard, I guess as far as how the media looks at polling as, which is, you know, the one to quote from if I hope I'm making sense. But that's. It's not the best as far as accuracy, but it's the most prestigious. That's the word I was looking for, prestig. And they asked Americans how they feel about deportations. When they asked, do you support the government deporting illegal aliens living in the U.S. 54% of Americans said yes, 43% said no. Of those who said yes, that includes 65% of men, a majority of all voters over the age of 30, 62% of white voters, 40% of non white voters. They tied 4,949among whites with a college degree, 70% of whites without a college degree, 40%, 47% rather of non whites with a college degree, 52% of independents, 92% of Republicans, nearly 1 in 5 Democrats, and nearly 1 in 5 Kamala Harris voters. When they asked the question of whether the government was deporting people who deserved to be deported, 51% said yes, 42% said no. Why does this matter? Why does this individual poll matter? Because of all the issues Trump has done while he has been in office, possibly none have been demonized by the media, by social media more often than deportations. Aside from tariffs, tariffs are absolutely get, get attacked the most, more than anybody. But immigration is a very, very close second. It's probably the biggest issue that separates the Biden administration from the Trump administration because remember, Biden had a lot of Tarif. Biden also supported most of the Trump tariffs. He kept a lot of them going and built on them. So the difference between tariffs between the Biden and Trump administration is not as different as the difference between immigration between the Biden and Trump administration, which is day and night. Biden did not care about the border whatsoever and invited millions into this country. Trump has closed the border and has, has the safest border, you know, probably since Eisenhower. I mean, it's, it's a remarkable and miraculous change in one administration in less than a year. But what the fact is that despite Democrats assaulting ICE officers and far left extremists shooting and even killing some ICE officers, Democratic politicians are stuck in this crossroads. Some of the more activist ones, some looking to run for president, are calling for the eradication of our enforcement apparatus or around immigration. But a majority of Americans, including those who did not vote for Trump in 2024, are saying no. We believe that this process, although not perfect, is right. The idea of deporting illegal aliens is good. Most people who, who are being deported should be deported. That would be considered an extreme position on CNN or msnbc, but it is the majority opinion by double digits. That is something real. That is something that Democrats are going to have to contest with and grapple with not only in 2026, but also in 2028. Do you remember back in 2020 during the Democratic primary debate when they were asking every politician running for president if they supported government sponsored health care for illegal immigrants and they all raised their hands. I bet you if that question was asked of the 2028 contenders, at least one would not raise their hand because they are worried about the fact that the American public has given up on them and that their base is increasingly out of step with the second most important issue after the economy. Consistently the second most important issue after the economy. I think this will have ramifications, especially as Democrats and Republicans are looking for some types of immigration reform around H1BS and other things. The move for more enforcement on illegal immigration is wildly supported. It is very bipartisan and no amount of probably billions of dollars of free negative media attention and social media attention has changed that. And that is something that is very good, very important and worth remembering when the elections go around in 2026 and then in 2028. Okay, now that's not the only poll that came out since Monday. There's been a flurry of polls out in New Jersey. And I know I just did an EP in New Jersey. You guys are probably getting tired of hearing about New Jersey. I'm going to give you a rundown of the hard data and the polls that have come out. So a Beacon and Shaw poll released by the FO by Fox News has Democrat Mikey Sherrell leading by 8 points. A Qantas Insight poll has Cheryl leading by 2 points. Remember, Qantas is the second most accurate pollster of the 2024 election. A global strategy poll has Cheryl. That's a Cheryl internal poll. They have her up by seven points. And a Valker poll released by Save Jersey, that was our guest that we had has her up by two points. And the poll from the non profit, yes, every kid has her up by seven points. This follows an Emerson poll that has Cittarelli and Cheryl tied and a Chitterelli internal poll that has him up by one. Now that seems like a lot of good news for Cheryl, right? All these polls have her up except for two and then another two have her within the margin of error. However, almost all the polls, including the Fox News poll, show that that the momentum and the enthusiasm gap is real. And it favors Ciattarelli. The Fox News poll found that the Republicans were 8 points more enthusiastic to go vote for their candidate than the Democrat. Remember, it's an eight point lead. There's an eight point gap in enthusiasm. New voter registration data matches that enthusiasm gap. So New Jersey, New Jersey does a lot of things wrong. One thing they do right is they report their new voter registration every single first of the month. Religiously. One of the best states that does this, they don't have to wait months and months on end. So New Jersey came out with their September voter registration data on October 1st. And they found that in the month of September, right before a major election, the governor's election, Democrats lost 4,362 registered voters. They left the party ahead of the governor's election. Republicans gained 2,385 and independents gained 13,286 new voters. And it begs the question, and it is the question that will decide this election. Aside from turnout, which Republicans are turning out, I'm going to go back to that in one second. Where are these independents going? Independents in these polls are what separate it from being a mild Kamala like victory margin for Mikey Sherrill and a jump ball election where Cittarelli can take it. Not by a lot, obviously not by the numbers that have Cheryl up by seven points. But he's within the possibility in four polls that have just come out since 2020. And I, I've said this before, it's worth repeating. Since 2020, Republicans have gained 225,000 new registered voters in the Garden State, many of which did not vote in the last election. Democrats have gained 1,000. Think about that difference. This is a state that is not Florida. It doesn't have a institution to get Republicans to register to vote. It doesn't have an apparatus. And tons of, you know, Florida has a million Republicans elected to local government. They don't have that in New Jersey in some pockets, but not statewide. It's not a functioning state party like Florida is. And when it comes to the mail in ballot, how are people voting in the mail in ballot? Republicans are returning their ballots at a faster rate than Democrats. 11.6% of Republicans who have requested a mail in ballot have already voted. That is true of 9.8% of Democrats. Republicans are returning faster. Now remember, Democrats have more people requesting ballots. So there's a 51,000 to 20,000 raw vote lead for Democrats. But if this is reflective of the election day and the vote early vote in person turnout, Republicans are showing up in big numbers. The question is how are independents showing up? How are they voting? How are they breaking? And if inner city Democrats are sitting there and doing the same, inner city Democrats, minority Democrats in places like Union City, New Jersey, they did not like Maggie Sharol. They did not want her. And a lot of them are having a big issue whether or not to support Cittarelli because they're not supporting him. But they're not. They may choose the couch. They may sit there and say, you know what, found a good show on Netflix that day. I'm not going to go vote. So if you are a Republican in New Jersey and you don't want to vote by mail because Republicans still have that issue. Remember, early voting is coming up. Election Day voting is coming up. And independence, especially how you break, will break the state and decide your future for the next for years. The momentum though is clearly on Cittarelli side and New Jersey. I think this is a bold statement to make, but I'm going to make it. I don't think it's a question of if New Jersey becomes a swing state. I think it's a question of when New Jersey becomes a swing state. Because all the momentum and it's clearly organic is on Republican side. Now onto the bigger question, can Republicans hold the house in 2026? I explore that next.
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Ryan Graduski
Okay, so Democrats are looking to stop Trump by winning the house over in 2026, and it is historic precedent that the President's party loses seats in midterms. Usually the first midterm worse than the second midterm. That was true of Obama, not true of Bush, true of Clinton. So it's we'll see how it is with Donald Trump. That is. Big question is, can Trump now Trump lost a lot of seats in the first midterm 2018. That is not going to be the case this time. Everyone acknowledges it's not going to be a 2018 style wave. However, two things are happening simultaneously that question whether or not they'll even lose the House to begin with. First is redistricting. Republicans are set to. They not set. They have. They've netted five seats in Texas and one in Missouri. It is likely that they will net an additional three in Ohio, three in Florida and one in Indiana. It is also likely that Democrats, because if Proposition 50 in California passes a very important election also happening this November, that voters, if they live in California, should vote against Prop 50. But if they, if it does pass, California is set to net about four seats for the Democratic Party, right? Four to five. Let's just say four though, because one is in a swing district with a Republican who generally wins a swing district. So Democrats are set to net 4. That means nationwide Republicans will start out with 10 more safe Republican seats than they currently have. That is a lot in such a tight margin. There's also a series of polls that recently came out, the New York Times Sienna Poll, which I mentioned about the immigration issue. They also asked who do you plan on voting for in the midterms? Democrats hold just a two point lead. That's not a lot. The economist YouGov asked the same question. And among registered voters, Democrats had a three point lead. Signal, which is a Republican leaning firm, the head of the Signal Polling Institute came on this podcast several months ago. Very smart guy. Democrats had a three point lead and Emerson had it tied. Atlas intel, which is the most accurate pollster from the 2024 election. They are the only ones to sit there and say Democrats have a sizable lead of 8 points. But they are unique and they are not hurting their data. And I give every pollster credit for not hurting. But let's say the generic ballot is D +3, right? The nation as a whole votes D +3 50 to 47 or something like that. That would represent a five point swing from 2024. How many Republican seats does that jeopardize in a five point seat? I started doing the calculations compared to the 2020 for House elections, looking at people who like the Alaska seat. Right. It's not contentious. Even more, even though it was contentious the first time because there was an incumbent Democrat because of a special election, let's say of the ones that will be contentious this time, that won't face redistricting, it's about 10. There's about 10 seats. Really in prime Democratic target that they can sit there and seriously win in 2026. If that's the swing and the redistrictings all go through, that is not enough to win the House. Now. Things could change. A lot could change between now and next November. Recession, economy picks up, economy loses steam. Peace in the Middle East. There's a new health care summit that President Trump had where Pfizer's reshoring industries and reducing healthcare costs. A lot of stuff is on the on the gamut. But in 2018, we saw the wave coming. We were like people on the beach in, in Asia seeing the tidal wave show up miles and miles away and we couldn't escape it. That was what was happening to the Democratic Party in 2018. It was very obvious for a very long time that Democrats were excited to go vote. But look at these voter registration numbers I gave you in New Jersey. I'll give you another one in Florida. Over in Florida, Democrats have lost 300,000 voters since December 2024. Republicans have gained 4,300,000. Now you say Florida's Florida. Same thing happened in Louisiana. Republicans in the last month in Louisiana, Republicans gained 1600 voters, Democrats lost 2000. In New Mexico, Democrats lost or Democrats gained 12 voters. 12 1, 212 Republicans gained 1400 since the election in 2024. Since November 2024, Republicans have gained 4000 new voters in New Mexico, a state that they did not win, while Democrats have lost 19,000. In Rhode Island, a super blue state, Republicans gained 380 voters, Democrats lost 400. Does that show you the signs of a party where people are are authentically organically moving and energetic and excited to go vote? What is happening? Something organic is happening there. Even in California, Republicans are out registering Democrats in new voters. Republicans have had more activists. Republicans have been benefited in some states from the fact that some Democratic governors have pursued automatic voter registration where there's millions of non college educated white men who had never reached the previously been registered to vote anymore. Previously registered ever, period. They've benefited from all those things. But it is organic and it is national across the country, everywhere that tracks voter registration information. Voter registration information usually follows other signs that things are not working in a party or are working in a party's favor. Polling and also money going into this election, Republicans have in the NRCC, Republicans have more than 60 million more dollars cash on hand than Democrats do. All of this spells that it's likely Democrats will gain seats. But could they not win the majority after claiming Trump's a fascist and democracy in the line and the sky is falling every single solitary day and Rosie o' Donnell has moved to Ireland. Could they could it prove that it doesn't really matter what they're saying. Yeah, it does. This is not 2018 is all the signs that as that's showing. Okay, next up, ask me anything.
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Ryan Graduski
It'S time for the Ask Me Anything segment. If you want to be part of the Ask Me Anything segment, email me ryanumbersgamepodcast.com that's ryanumbers pluralgame podcast.com I love getting your emails. It really helps my ideas for the show. What shows you want to have on guests I can pursue. I'm constantly trying to reach out to new people to be guests and topics you guys want to hear. Because working working where you're in a room by yourself just talking to a microphone. You're like here's my idea. I hope that everyone sits there and is interested by this. So I love getting your emails. Please email me questions on any kind of topic you can that question about New York City restaurants is one of my favorite. Okay, this message comes from Scott. Scott says hi Ryan. Just heard your latest podcast and wanted to throw that Miles Smith Smith, a history professor from Hillsdale who's done a lot of study on Christian revivalism and intersection of religion and politics since the 1800s that echoes in present day discussions like Christian nationalism. I think you'd be a great guest for that topic on your show. Thank you for that message, Scott. You know the election's coming up so I want to talk about politics because that's my background. That's what I focus on. I would like to an episode on religion. I don't know how people feel about it. I don't know if people want to hear me talk about other topics aside from politics. I think that they do, especially now with a lot of conversation and controversy surrounding the new Pope and I believe he's in a precarious situation given the financial shape of the church and the fact that older Catholics like the Joe Bidens and the Nancy Pelosi's and the Dick Durbins of the world are hold a lot of institutional power and a lot of financial power as they are looking towards what they'll do their money after they leave this world. I'm trying to find nuance in what he's doing. There are some things that are making me scratch my head though. He did a blessing of a piece of ice at some climate change event and I just don't, I try to understand but I'm trying, trying very hard to understand. I just don't know what is going on. But I might have a priest come on talk about the Pope, talk about the day of the Church. I don't know if you guys are interested in that topic though. Let me know. I'm. I, I want to venture off into other topics. I'm afraid to if you guys are not going to be interested in it. So if you're interested in that topic, let me know. Shoot me an email. Great suggestion though. If I do an episode on Christian nationalism, I will bring him on. Okay, next comes from Derek Rolfe. He's I hope I pronounced your last name correctly. So love the show. My question is on H1B visas with Senator Grassley and now the Senate Democrat Judiciary Committee both posturing to clamp down on H1BS. Do you think we'll see any laws passed regarding this issue? If so, what do you think Congress would do and what would be best? I'm in favor of drastically limiting or ending the program altogether. Okay, so Senator Grassley, his. Senator Grass is a very conservative senator from Iowa. His partner around immigration reform has specifically been, ironically, Senator Dick Durbin from Illinois. Durbin and Grassley have worked together since 2007 on a lot of bills, a lot of common sense bills regarding immigration. And the most recent one, the one that Derek is mentioning, is a drastic reform to the L1 and H1B visas. Now, the H1B visas are those high information, high tech visas. That's the one that Silicon Valley loves so much. I'm going to quote from Senator Grassley's website. He says in evaluating the high unemployment rate for the American tech workers, we cannot ignore the massive ongoing layoffs ordered by this is. He's speaking to tech executives ordered by you and your peers and the big tech C suites over the past few years. At the same time they've been laying off employees, they've been filling up H1B visa petitions. And then he goes on to sit there and say that Grassley and Durbin are requesting information and data from each company. And it's a list of different tech companies regarding their recruitment and hiring practices, as well as any variation in salary and benefits between H1B visa holders and the American employees. They are sponsoring a bill called the H1B and L1 Visa Reform Act. That's the name of the 2023 bill. There's a new name. It's the same exact bilbo introduced by Senator Grassley this year. Among the reforms of the bill, formerly known as H1B and L1 Visa Reform act, it will reduce fraud and abuse for immigration system, provide protections for American workers and visa holders, and require greater transpar currency and the recruitment of foreign workers. The bill has the support of Senators Tuberville, Sanders and Blumenthal. So it's a very bipartisan. I mean, Tuberville and Sanders probably do not agree on many things. It's a real piece of bipartisan legislation. And it's something that you, you can really expect a lot of times from Senators Durbin and Grassley when they get together on immigration. They try to end the EB5 visa. And it had a broad support and it was just Chuck Schumer and John Cornyn that ended up saving the EB5 visa after everyone acknowledged it was a completely corrupt visa. But you know, they needed money from Chinese investors for the real estate market in both Texas and New York, so they saved the visa system. What do I think needs to happen? So they only have four sponsor co sponsors of the bill. Sorry, three co sponsors as well. As the two main sponsors. There's five total. They would need. If this is going to happen, you would need to see see several things move. One, you'd have to see some moderates in both parties also jump on the bandwagon. So Susan Collins, who's support a lot of Grassley reforms and John Fetterman jump on this as well as some populist Republicans like Bernie Marino or Jim Banks or Josh Hawley. That would give indication that this has real teeth and is moving through the Senate. If you live in those states and you want to see them back this bill, you should call their office and in Washington and ask them to sit there and co sponsor this bill. That would be the, that would be the first step I think to get that. I can actually you know what, I might ask Senator Grassley's office if they can come to talk about this building this be an interesting topic overall. But getting one of the senators to jump on this bill would be a very good first step. Both the moderate and the populous wings of the party. Ultimately to have a real chance, you would have to get the President and the White House behind it because that would, that's going to sit there and actually move Johnson, Mike Johnson, both introduce a version of it in the House and get it to the House floor as well as John Thune in the Senate. There's a lot of people scratching to get something done in the House and the Senate on H1BS. I think this is probably the best chance for something to happen. They need a sponsor in the House. I don't know who that would be but, but that is definitely, this is definitely the best chance. But until you see leadership come, become supported and moderates and and populists, some more of them jump on the bandwagon and get some more energy as well as the White House. I wouldn't bet on it becoming law. Something has to give on any of those things before it can really have some real teeth. But it's a good bill, so hopefully it will. Anyway, thank you for your questions. Thank you for listening to this episode. If you like this podcast, please like and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts. Wherever you get your podcast, I will talk to you guys on Monday. We're going to talk about Virginia and the Governor, Attorney General and Lieutenant Governor's race there. Stay tuned everybody.
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