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Episode: It's a Numbers Game: The Numbers Behind the 2025 Battlegrounds – How Energy, Enthusiasm, and Elections Collide
Date: October 20, 2025
Host: Ryan Graduski (filling in, in a special "Numbers Game" episode)
Guest: Albert Eisenberg, Principal at Redbridge (PA political firm)

Overview

This episode dives deep into the emerging numbers and trends shaping the 2025 elections, particularly in New Jersey, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. Ryan Graduski analyzes recent polling, mail-in voting enthusiasm, the impact of energy costs—especially from the expansion of data centers—on electoral politics, and shifting party allegiances in key battleground states. Special guest Albert Eisenberg provides an insider perspective on Pennsylvania politics, John Fetterman’s precarious position within the Democratic Party, and demographic shifts affecting party strength.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Data Centers & Energy Costs: A Surging Populist Issue

(03:06–08:15)

• Emergence as a Top Voter Issue:
  • Graduski asserts that rising electricity prices due to data centers is now a major concern in NJ and VA.
    • “On September 8, more than a month ago, I did a whole episode on how the number one issue going to the elections in New Jersey and Virginia was the rising cost of electricity because of data centers.” (03:34)
• Democratic Struggles to Address the Issue:
  • Quoting progressive strategist Faiz Shakir:
    • "The people are way ahead of the politicians." (04:18)
  • Even progressive politicians are sensing grassroots frustration over unchecked energy prices and resource use.
• Potential for Political Realignment:
  • Graduski predicts this will morph into a massive issue, especially for voters rooted in their communities:
    • “Republicans better not be caught flat-footed when it is a massive, massive issue...” (06:58)

2. New Jersey: Polls, Enthusiasm, and Voter Turnout

(08:15–15:11)

• Polling Updates:
  • Latest Fox News/Beacon Shaw poll shows Mikie Sherrill (D) up by 5 over Jack Ciattarelli (R), an improvement for Ciattarelli.
  • Other polls (Fairleigh Dickinson, Quinnipiac) show Sherrill leading by 6–7 points.
• The 'Enthusiasm Gap':
  • Ciattarelli voters report far greater enthusiasm (55%) versus Sherrill’s (42%).
    • “That’s a 13 point gap.” (11:22)
  • Minority voters (who have been a target for Sherrill) are voting at lower rates in the mail-in ballot stage.
    • “Majority black districts...22% returned their ballots, 20% of Hispanics...just 20% of Asians...” (12:15)
    • “Compared to 32% of white voters in white-majority precincts.” (12:30)
• Mail-in Voting Advantage:
  • Sherrill banking a Democratic lead of ~130,000 in mail-in ballots.
• Ciattarelli’s Hurdles:
  • Needs to do better with independents according to polling "fundamentals."
• Republican Opportunities:
  • If Democratic enthusiasm remains low, turnout could swing tighter than polls suggest.

Memorable Line:

• “If they’re not anxious to return their ballot when it’s mailed to their home, what are the chances they’ll be excited enough to leave their house on Election Day?” (13:05)

3. Virginia: GOP Momentum?

(15:11–16:57)

• Polling Trends:
  • Trafalgar poll suggests Republican momentum for Attorney General Kenneth Jason Miyares (+5% over Democrat Jay Jones).
• Debate Dynamics:
  • Jones attempts to nationalize the race, invoking Trump 40 times in a one-hour debate.
• Republican Progress:
  • GOP hopeful to see more substantial polling evidence before declaring a “monumental swing.”

Quotes:

• “The election is a referendum on Jay Jones and his horrible text messages. Jones said the election was about Trump.” (15:47)

4. Election Enthusiasm Reflects Broader National Trends

(16:57–18:16)

• Socialist Candidates Exhibit Resilience:
  • Mandani in New York is gaining steam, while standard Democratic candidates need outside reinforcement.
  • Obama campaigning in VA; millions poured into NJ.
• Implications for 2028 and Pennsylvania:
  • Focus shifts to John Fetterman’s future and wider implications for party coalitions.

5. Pennsylvania Spotlight with Albert Eisenberg

(18:16–35:22)

A. Fetterman's Democratic Dilemma
(18:45–22:52)

• Democratic insiders preparing a primary challenge against Senator John Fetterman.
• Eisenberg: “If the Democratic primary was held today in Pennsylvania, Fetterman would lose.” (19:24)
• Fetterman's differences from the Dem base: immigration, Israel–Palestine.
• Channeling Sinema: “The obvious parallel is... what the Democrats did to Kyrsten Sinema.” (19:47)
• Fetterman’s Possible Future:
  • Could run as an independent, “caucus with the Republicans and keep voting pro-choice, pro large welfare state... essentially be a centrist.” (22:33)

B. Labor and Demographic Realignment (22:52–25:09)

• Old school labor still sides with Fetterman; white-collar/progressive unions may not.
• Working-class districts (ex: NE Philly) showing GOP momentum:
  • “We doubled our Republican representation in Harrisburg... by flipping a state Senate seat.” (24:02)

C. Party Registration and Structural Changes (25:09–29:41)

• Dem registration lead in PA shrank by 500,000 in four years.
• New Republican voters emerging via automatic registration.
• Growing suburban, college-educated population benefits Dems.
• Black/Hispanic turnout and rightward shift helps GOP.

6. Supreme Court & Swing State Status

(29:41–32:05)

• PA Supreme Court:
  • 2025 retention election likely maintains Dem majority.
• Pennsylvania as the New Ohio?
  • Eisenberg: "Pennsylvania continues to be the Keystone State... New Jersey is trending right. But I think Pennsylvania is going to maintain its status." (31:30)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "The people are way ahead of the politicians." – Faiz Shakir via Graduski citing Semaphore (04:18)
• "If they're not anxious to return their ballot when it's mailed to their home, what are the chances that all the other people are going to be excited enough to leave their house on election day..." – Ryan Graduski (13:05)
• "If the Democratic primary was held today in Pennsylvania, Fetterman would lose." – Albert Eisenberg (19:24)
• "There has not been somebody to successfully run up the middle... Even though... people are craving sort of normal, pragmatic... problem-solvers." – Albert Eisenberg (27:00)
• "Working black and Hispanic voters have moved to the right in significant numbers." – Albert Eisenberg (31:01)
• "Black voter turnout has really collapsed in places like Harrisburg, in majority black wards in Philadelphia... gap of up to 20% that is dooming Democrats." – Albert Eisenberg (34:09)

Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:06 – Start of key discussion; voting reminders; Graduski on energy/data center issue.
• 08:15 – New NJ polling; enthusiasm/turnout gaps; demographics of mail-in voting.
• 15:11 – VA polling analysis; comparisons to prior elections.
• 18:16 – Introduction of guest Albert Eisenberg; Pennsylvania section begins.
• 18:45 – Fetterman’s standing in the Democratic Party; details on potential primary challenge.
• 25:09 – Discussion of registration shifts and election outcomes in PA.
• 29:41 – PA Supreme Court—implications for congressional map-drawing.
• 30:55 – Is PA the new OH? Demographic realities and future trends.
• 32:05 – The effect of automatic voter registration and turnout; “missing white vote”.
• 34:09 – Black voter turnout decline in PA explained.
• 34:53 – Where to find more from Eisenberg and Redbridge.

Tone and Style

Ryan Graduski approaches the numbers-heavy episode with characteristic wit, directness, and a dose of self-deprecation ("I have very, very few talents in this life... I was a great bra salesman at Victoria's Secret when I was 18 years old"). The episode is a blend of hard electoral analysis, anecdotal trivia, and humorous asides, typical of both the Numbers Game format and the broader Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show ethos.

Conclusion

For listeners wanting to understand both the granular mechanics of the 2025 battleground elections and the broader demographic and populist forces in play, this episode offers a data-driven, insightful, and at times irreverent guide. It suggests that underlying numbers, turnout enthusiasm, energy politics, and party affiliation shifts will dramatically shape not just the immediate electoral outcomes, but also the political coalitions of the next decade.

For more:

• Albert Eisenberg: yourredbridge.com
• Ryan Graduski’s podcast: [Subscribe via iHeart or Apple Podcasts]
• Contact: ryanumbersgamepodcast.com