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It's a Numbers Game: What the Numbers Say About Trump and Immigration Pressure
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Ryan Graduski
Welcome back to A Numbers Game with Ryan Graduski. This episode today is unfortunately not on the happiest topic. For a while I have been hearing that there's this quiet push to get President Trump to backpedal on his calls for mass deportations. They were too cruel. It would hurt people or hurt his reputation with Hispanic voters. It would sour his poll numbers with American people. It would hurt the economy. The constant fear of rotting fruit in the fields was plagued politicians for decades. You know, no, no, no, you can't take away our illegal labor. We need them. Think of the lemons. All of those things were now haunting President Trump as if places like Japan were importing a million Mexicans a year to pick rice patties. We absolutely could not under any circumstance lose our illegal labor. This is what has been emphasized by Trump by a number of sources, right? From big agriculture and the hospitality industry especially. But the Chamber of Commerce has been very involved, and according to several sources, it's been by both Senate Republicans and some celebrities. A few days ago, I was on a call with somebody who was very well tapped into the White House, and he said to me in the conversation, you know, it's not all Brooke Rollins. He actually said it was not Brooke Rollins at all. And the source said to me, don't put too much blame on her. And he was not a Brooke Rollins fan. The source, he said Joe Rogan had met with the president and had emphasized to the president that he should not be doing these raids at construction sites. These were just people showing up for work and it would be harmful. Now, I don't know if Joe Rogan has any, like, investments in a construction business or anything like that, or it's just because he saw the videos online. I have no clue whatsoever. But Joe Rogan was the one sitting there and saying that to Trump and leaving a very, very big impression. Now, I had heard this, and then right afterwards, I went on the Vince Colignese radio show and I said it up there, and I didn't say it for this podcast. I should have saved it for this podcast, but I almost thought it was unbelievable. I couldn't believe that. I also heard that his daughter Ivanka was also making calls to sit there and pause deportations, that they were too cruel. President Trump said in a speech as well, I'm just adding all the people together. So it's the Chamber of Commerce and it's the agricultural industry and the hospitality industry, and Joe Rogan and Ivanka, he said, and this has been widely reported. So I do believe this is true, that Agricultural Secretary Brooke Rollins, who has been for mass immigration and amnesty for well over a decade, was giving him, was giving him the word that we had to stop these raids on farmers, we had to stop these raids on meatpacking, packing industry, we had to stop the raids on hotels and hospitality industry. According to Axios, Rollins went to Trump without the knowledge of either Stephen Miller or Susie Wiles, which infuriated the two. This is, this is how people, by the way, in Trump's orbit or who have access to Trump's orbit get around the guardrails. I'm going to tell you a little story. Last year I was 20, 24. So last year, early last year, someone well known in politics, someone you, a name you would have definitely, if you don't who he is, you would, you would have heard him, heard of him. He wanted to get his boyfriend, which no one knows that they were dating at the time, his boyfriend, an endorsement from Trump who was running for Congress. Allegedly they had had a meeting just the two of them, and Trump got him all wild, riled up, got him all angry at certain people, certain people that were being backed by his, by his boyfriend's opponent, being backed by other people in the, in, in that race got Trump very angry and then made the pitch for the endorsement and got Trump to post on Truth Social immediately. Because once it's on Truth Social, it's as good as gold. He's not going to backpedal. This happens so often in Trump world that I've heard of so many times in Trump world either before he was president in 2015, then when he was president the first term, then in the mid, in the mid years, those four years he wasn't president. And still to this day, they know if they get him saying something on the Internet, it is then of record and then to backpedal makes it so much harder. Did Rollins meet with him privately without Susie and Steven saying anything, and then put something out on Truth Social? I don't know for a fact. It's been reported in Axios, but it follows the long history of how people work around any, you know, America first types that are in his orbit and that try to promote the agenda that he ran on in 2016 and still today, according to that same report in Axios, Stephen Miller Rollins wanted to go further. She wanted a visa basically for illegal farm labor to get a visa if they went back to their home country, if they did a backpedal, they Went back to their home country, they went to Mexico, El Salvador, Ecuador, whatever got. And then they came back to the country. They would get a visa for legal status as if they're illegal labor. Apparently Miller put a squash to that and just made sure that that wasn't going to happen. There's also pockets of establishment conservatives sitting there and pushing this to him. Maybe not in phone calls and in meetings, although they may be, but definitely in the media because I've seen them. People like Eric Bolling, who was on Fox and was on Newsmax, who has a relationship with the President. Sean Spicer, his first press secretary, was, has been on two way constantly saying this is the time Republicans get to pass an amnesty. And the Senate Republicans, who for decades have been teetering up this idea of we're going to get something, we're going to give something to, you know, the Chamber of Commerce and to all of our donors, the Lindsey Graham's, the Bill Cassidy's, the Thom Tillises, the James Lankfords, they are all getting ready to go. They are all saying, this is our moment, we can do this. And they're not afraid of the Republican voters. If Trump gives the okay, if Trump gives the okay in a year, in three years and five years when they're running for reelection and the deal is done, they can sit there and tell their voters, I was just following orders. Do you hate the president now? You don't hate the president, so you can't hate me for doing that, for, for backpedaling on everything. Now on the other side, you have a lot of people like my friend Ann Coulter, you have Laura Ingraham, Jack the sobec, Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson sitting there and saying, this is a warning sign. You can't do this. You have to do mass deportations. You have to do what you promised. President Trump, for his part, has been kind of all over the issue. He's talked about pausing the raids, then the administration restarted it. Now he's talking about doing selective enforcement. It's kind of a bit everywhere. Maybe he's floating an idea to see what the most positive and negative reactions will be. Now, from my knowledge, current agricultural deportations are still ongoing. They haven't all been frozen. There was a case just late last week where in a marijuana farm, which does count as agriculture, a marijuana farm. They had over, I think, 100 illegal aliens working on it, including children. From my knowledge, what I've read that that were rated, it was rated literally into last week. I know it's a marijuana farm. But it still counts as agriculture. So that did happen. And on June 10, the Department of Labor announced that President Trump had created the Office of Immigration Policy, which was a quote unquote red tape cutting one stop shop to help employers get faster approval for temporary work visas for non citizen labor. That would suggest to me about trying to work within the system as it stands, right, because we have currently in our system is we have an agricultural visa, it's the H2A visa, it's a limitless visa. There's no caps to it. You can, it's one of the few visas, like tourist visas that there are no caps. Endless amount of people can come in and work in farms. It's not like there's a set number. So if they're trying to make farmers go through the legal system and if I guess if there's growth in the legal system, it will give a sign to Trump. Look, I've given you an easy way to get them. Maybe he's going to waive some of the rules or fines or restrictions or not restrictions, but like 45 day, 60 day permit laws, whatever, in order to sit there and get agricultural labor. But it seems like he's sitting there and going to lean more heavily into the current legal system. I don't think an amnesty, the way that Republican voters have thought about it for years, which is citizenship is on the table, but anytime you do not enforce the laws, it is an amnesty. If I was speeding, if I was going 40 in a 25 or 55 in a 40 or whatever, I would have every right to get pulled over. That's the thing about laws, and this is why American people have so been so kicked around about trusting the government, is because there's one set of rule for the working class, for the middle class, for the upper middle class and even for the lower upper class. And then there's another set of rule for the PDs of the world or the illegal immigrants of the world, or the very very well connected of the world or the very very under well connected as long as the cheap labor they do helps the well connected. It seems that way to a lot of people, which is why you need to constantly enforce the law. And here's the truth of it, right? When you apply for a legal visa, farm labor visa, an H2A visa, there's all sorts of requirements. Like you have to pay a certain type of wage, a prevailing wage, you have to make sure that those wages won't hurt American workers. You need to provide free housing for your workers. You need to provide subsidized transportation to and from the farm for your workers. It's not a lot of things, but it's, you know, it's something, it's something there. If you go through the illegal way, you don't have to provide anything. So when a meat someone working in the meat boxing packing industry gets his arm cut off for unsafe safety standards and he's only got paid $5 an hour, well, when he goes to the hospital for that, for the emergency room, who picks up that bill? You do? The taxpayer does. I do. Who picks up all the bills for everything that illegal aliens use from the prisons that many of them fill, to the schools their children go to, from the roads that they use that fill with potholes eventually as they have wear and tear, all of those things, the car accidents, you know, that they end up getting into sometimes. Who pays for all of it? We do. That's what illegal immigration is. It is a form of socialism where the profits are personalized and all the costs are socialized. The suckers sit there and pay for every for these few corporations to get immensely, immensely wealthy. Now, it's also very important to remember that most illegal aliens working in the US illegally are committing multiple felons, including and most importantly identity theft. It's the number one and document fraud is the number two. Probably let alone doing the jobs like Americans otherwise would do in certain industries or farm work that could be mechanized, that could machines could produce more cheaply and produce larger quantities of food that would actually decrease grocery prices that they're doing. Those illegal aliens so often are in a situation where they provide fake information to farm worker, to farmers, to large corporations that own farms, to meat processing industries. By relying on cheap foreign labor, you are allowing farmers who otherwise would mechanize to produce less food at the greater cost to the American citizen. In the last few years, here are a few examples of illegal aliens causing problems for American citizens who working on farms they were working in agriculture but using identity theft. A healthcare provider was forced to deny medical necessary prescriptions to a victim in Pennsylvania because his identity was stolen by someone working at the Green Valley Foods. A disabled victim in Texas was unable to work, struggled to get their Social Security disability payments because a different illegal alien was fraudulently using their identities at the Glen Valley Foods. Two illegal aliens committing two at one industry. The IRS requested a victim from Colorado to repay more than $5,000 after their income was falsely increased due to an illegal alien using their stolen identity. That also happened at Glen Valley Foods, by the way, that's three in a row. A full time nursing student in Missouri lost their college tuition assistance because it was fraudulently reported that they earned too much money. The investigation feel that an illegal alien was using their Social Security number for employment. So they lost their college assistant and a victim in California was working for nearly 15 years to regain their identity after being financially damaged by an illegal alien working in agriculture. And they stole their identity. That is the thing that no one talks about. All these people are just, you know, wonderfully here. They're all doing the work and they're just, you know, they're, they're, you know, angels in the field doing everything for us. Yes, some of them are. But a lot are using your identity and stealing your identity. And it is important, it's important that people get wise to the cost of cheap labor. It is incredibly expensive to the average American. I know that this may seem like minor, like, oh, look at these handful of incidences, right? These handful of incidences that I just named from one industry, one company when they were rated for illegal aliens and the victims that were caused from one company. You might say this is not everybody. Yeah, but not everybody who speeds is going to hit a child or a pedestrian or another car. Not everyone who, you know, sells marijuana, laces them a fentanyl or sells things without proper documentation that they are producing a safe product. Not everyone's going to hurt, intentionally hurt somebody. But people do get hurt when lawlessness is the accepted status quo. I want to make one last point, especially to Republicans right now, because I know I've gone on a tirade. I know that people are probably exhausted of hearing me talk. But one last point. Republicans are falling into a sense of false security. A poll was released on Friday by Gallup and it found that the percentage of Republicans who want immigration reduced fell from 88% to 48%. And those that want our current numbers to maintain the Same went from 4% to 36%. Because many people look at what Trump done on the border and he's done fantastic stuff on the border. Five stars across the way, 100% on the report card. No arguments, nothing, no problems. What he's done on the border, he's done an incredible job and he deserves all the kudos. But they look at that and they presume that the problem with mass immigration is over and it's not. Yes, illegal immigration is down, but all the problems are of our current legal immigration system. They still exist. Nothing has changed. Really, nothing has changed. Congress has not stepped in. The President hasn't done mass changes to our legal immigration systems. He's tweaked here and there. But the major point are all still currently going and it's like the people who right now immigration people who were concerned immigration last year and are less so this year. You are like the people who are supposed to go on a diet, lose 50 pounds and you lose the first 10 and then immediately start binge eating because you think you're doing the successful thing. We're on the way but we're not there yet. And the President's done great things but he's not there yet. We cannot afford to backpedal now. Our guest today on this episode has been fighting against illegal immigration for years. She knows the ins and outs on what's going on, the soft and and how it's affecting Americans. Stay tuned.
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Ryan Graduski
With me on today's episode is Rosemary Jenks from the Immigration Accountability Project. Rosemary, thank you for being here.
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Ryan Seacrest
My pleasure. Good to see you, Ryan.
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Ryan Graduski
Rosemary, what do you make of this pressure campaign on the House to stop immigration enforcement and agriculture and on hospitality workers?
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Ryan Seacrest
So, I mean, we have seen this repeatedly in the past where employers who rely on cheap illegal labor have lobbying efforts to convince Congress or the White House, whoever, to allow them to keep their cheap illegal labor. I think that the lobbying efforts are a little bit more desperate this time around because they face a real risk and they know that this is the first president we have had in a very long time who is actually serious about enforcing our immigration laws. And that means that they're going to have to give up their illegal labor, which is a good thing for America. It's a good thing for American workers. It's a good thing for our economy. But I do think that they are feeling kind of desperate and trapped and you know, again, that's a Good thing. They should.
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Ryan Graduski
Well, one thing that drives me crazy, and I hope, I wish some nonprofit, I'm not saying yours, but some nonprofits study this. They always come at this rotted fruits in the field. And they always say, you're going to disrupt the food, food industry and the supply chain for food. I would love one organization to study how much food is produced by a farm that has a mechanized labor force versus that of cheap labor, both legal and illegally in this country. It would be fascinating because I'm going to guess that the mechanized force would probably be cheaper, more efficient with more food.
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Ryan Seacrest
Absolutely. And in fact, the Commission on Agricultural Immigration Reform, I think it was called, that was created by the 1986amnesty bill. They actually studied what was the impact of the amnesty, the agricultural worker amnesty in 1986. And they found that basically once the illegal ag workers got amnesty, they all left ag because, you know, they went out to find other jobs because they now had an entire national economy that they could choose from. And so once again, employers had to hire. Well, they decided they needed to hire illegal workers, just new illegal workers. You know, we're in the 21st century. It is absurd that we are not employing technology to harvest our food, to milk our cows, all of these other things. We have the machines available. And you know what, if you can't find enough American workers to go out in the field and pick crops, you certainly can find American workers who are willing to run the machines. It takes a lot less labor. And it is, you know, we need to move into the 21st century at some point, and we should be incentivizing growers to do just that. And the way you do that is to increase the cost of labor.
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Ryan Graduski
And it's not even just cows being milked, which technology has existed for a long time. We have robots that can pick strawberries. We have robots that. It's not like Japan requires a million Mexicans every year in their rice paddy fields. They have joined the 21st century probably even before the 21st century began. We are kind of at whims of this because of farmers, which are. There are fewer and fewer farmers, but they still control the same level of power. It seems. It. It. You've been around the hill, in and around, like around the hill for a very long time. What is the reaction from Congress, Congressional Republicans been. I've gotten calls from people both saying from some Republican congressman's like, absolutely not. I will not pass any amnesty bill. I don't care what it is. And then others staffers who have told Me, it's all the usual suspects are plotting already.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, well, I mean we've already had Republicans at least in name introduce amnesty bills that include farm worker amnesties like Maria Salazar.
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Ryan Graduski
She's the worst.
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Ryan Seacrest
And this is the problem. You know, first of all, they don't understand what they're doing. They don't understand the impacts this has on Americans and on especially poor Americans. But also they don't grasp the fact that there are alternatives to illegal labor. First of all, any grower, you know, if that grower is at risk of having crops rotting on the field, which is such a nonsense argument, then they have to raise their rates. You know, they have to raise the wages and attract American workers, even if seasonally. I mean, I spent a summer in high school picking green beans. It was a terrible job. I hated it, but I did it. I showed up every day because I got paid for it. You know, there are Americans. Roughly 30% of current agricultural workers right now are American citizens, native born Americans. Another 30% are either lawful permanent residents or temporary legal immigrants. So 60% of the workforce is already legal. It's that last 40% that the farmers are basically just refusing to acknowledge. And here's the problem. There are a lot of small farmers and ranchers who are only using legal labor. So what are we going to tell them? You're stupid because you've been following the law? That's just crazy. You don't reward people who broke the law.
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Ryan Graduski
Yeah, I went to a farm one time when I was like maybe 22, 20, 22, 23. And all the people who worked on the farm were not only Americans, they were all white Americans. Now it was a food to table farm that service mostly restaurants, but every single one of them. I was actually surprised by it. I was thinking I would see a different thing. And it was a completely different, completely different than my opinion based upon what the images I had seen were. And you could always mechanize, you could always go to machines to replace them. I was going to ask you specifically about. Well, I want to go into. I want to talk one thing first. The what you hear from a lot of establishment Republicans. These are like the Sean Spicer. Sean Spicer has repeated these talking points ad nauseam on two way. Eric Bolling was on two way talking about this. They put out this pipe dream, they put up this what if scenario that is not based in reality at all. And you've heard it's not just the two of them. You've heard all the time about what if we Just did this form of amnesty, right? And I want you to talk about if this form of amnesty has been tried in the past and unsuccessful and if it's possible now. So the first is, what if you only did an amnesty where it was. It was for people who did not commit a crime and had a job. Is it possible for people to fraudulently produce job records for years saying, oh, yeah, I had a job, I qualify. Is that right? Does that happen?
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Ryan Seacrest
Of course. And that was one of the biggest problems with the 1986amnesty, especially the agricultural worker part of it was the fraud. I mean, we had people who said that they picked watermelons from the trees and they got amnesty. Their job was picking watermelons from a tree. That's insane. We also, by the way, had one of the 19. The World Trade center bombers, Mahmoud Abu Halimah was granted amnesty under that 1986amnesty bill. So, you know, the vetting is crazy. And here's the problem.
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Ryan Graduski
And that was for 3 million. This is now.
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Ryan Seacrest
And it was, it was intended for 11 million, right? And then all of a sudden there are 2 million extra illegal aliens that we haven't accounted for who are applying for this amnesty. And so the then INS was completely overwhelmed with the applications. And of course, Congress doesn't understand any of that. And so they set ridiculous parameters as to how long it's supposed to take to approve the applications. So it becomes a rubber stamp process. Vetting isn't done, and we end up with terrorists with green cards. This guy got a green card through this process. So, you know, the, the fraud is ridiculous. And then also Congress, in its infinite wisdom, does stupid things like say that in order to prove that you've been here for five years or 10 years or whatever, you can get an affidavit from a friend or a relative.
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Ryan Graduski
I'm sure those are all. Wait, so wait, I talk about the 86amnesty for just one. I know this is not like what Trump's proposing, but this is something that makes me scream at my television. I turned into my father wanting to hear people regurgitate this. And maybe I'm wrong on the information. So if I am, please correct me, but I don't think I am. The 86amnesty. Federal judges were granting amnesty for years past the quote, unquote deadlines and were granting it to people who were not even in the country at the time when the amnesty was being discussed. Do I have that correct?
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Ryan Seacrest
Yes, 100%. There were all kinds of lawsuits about, you know, well, my family wasn't here during the amnesty. And so now I need to be able to bring my family in. I mean, there were literally hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens who are allowed to come in and claim that amnesty as family members of the amnesty aliens or, you know, people who for whatever reason didn't get to file their applications in time, probably because they weren't here. So, yeah, the judicial system ran amok on that.
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Ryan Graduski
So this is, this is what listeners and Republican regular Joe Schmo Republicans need to understand when they hear people saying we're only going to do it for certain people who don't have a criminal record and who have a job and can learn English. A federal judge will overrule every one of those requirements, including the penalties and back taxes they're supposed to pay, because it happened hundreds of thousands of times during the 86amnesty. It will happen millions of times. If you think the woman with the unpronounceable African name in California who just ruled, you can't profile someone for speaking Spanish on a, on a job site to deport them or to investigate if they're here illegally would not waive all those restrictions and grant it for somebody who is not even in the country. Now you're being lied to because it happened before. I know this is a tyrant in Iran. I normally do an interview and I don't get this like much. I want to drill a hole in my head, but I hear it from people forever that we're going to have this special. We're going to find the next EINSTEIN among the 35 million legalians and only he's going to get it and everyone else is going to go home. It is never, ever, ever, ever happened. And liberal judges, who are hundreds of them will fill the courts will absolutely be like, now wave them all in and their family who are currently in Mozambique right now.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, you're absolutely right. And here's one of the problems that leads to this jud excess is Congress. Of course, Congress puts into these laws all kinds of waivers. You can waive the criminal restrictions, you can waive the fees, you can waive the, you know, all sorts of things. If they don't have proof of such and such, you can waive that in the national interest or in the public interest or whatever. And so everything gets waived. So I mean, if you're a judge and you're looking at the way the law is written and it says you can waive everything, okay, well, why wouldn't you waive everything? You know, it's, it's crazy that you cannot take a group of illegal aliens, people who have not been vetted, People who basically we ask them, who are you? And they tell us. And we accept that as their identity. You know, these are people who, in most cases, dump their documents on the other side of the Rio Grande before they came in. We have no idea who they are. It's why we keep finding criminals from their home countries, like they were convicted of crimes in the home countries. We find them here, and we had no idea that they were wanted by whatever country because there's zero vetting. You cannot vet people you don't have any data on.
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Ryan Graduski
Right. And the notion that we're going to make 10 to 20 million people into legal residents, non voters, which is the other thing that Republicans say will never make them voters. They will never have the right to vote. No, that's not true, because I guarantee the ACLU will bring up a lawsuit day one. They have to have the right to vote. You are disenfranchising them, which 100%. A San Francisco judge is going to like. Absolutely grant them the right to vote. And we will have districts across the country suing until kingdom come. And they're legal immigrant, legal American citizens thanks to the Birthright Citizenship act, which, by the way, even if Trump's lawsuit is successful, their kids would still be citizens. If they are legal residents, their children will be absolutely available to have every Medicaid, welfare, Social Security, food, SNAP program under the sun. The cost of our welfare state will. Coming. Three last questions. I promise I won't go on Tyree's. I'll let you talk. Their question is. I'm sorry, this just grazed me crazy. I'm not like this normally and on the podcast in personal life, I am this insufferable. But the. The other thing was one, the English requirement. The idea that we're. An English requirement, Rosemary, for people who have not applied for citizenship, is the English requirement that is on the. Supposed to be on the standard. The test to become American, is that waived currently for people.
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Ryan Seacrest
It's waived for people over. I think it's the age of 65. It's waived for young people. So. And. And there are other possibilities of waivers for disability and so on. So it can be waived. Yes.
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Ryan Graduski
Yeah.
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Ryan Seacrest
So even that, even, even if it's not waived, it's a ridiculously simple test. I mean, it's basically. Can you say one sentence or can you answer my question when I ask you what your name is and if you can answer, then you know enough English to become a naturalized citizen?
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Ryan Graduski
I help my aunt study for her citizenship test. She's been in the country for a very long time. She's married, had children here, whatever. And I could not believe how easy the questions were to begin with. I was like, if you fail this, you. I mean, just should. You should be ejected as my aunt. I'm saying this. So two last questions. One there. I do not believe that these farmers want their illegal labor to even get visas because we have a limitless visa program for agriculture workers currently. But there are requirements. You have to pay them a living wage or, sorry, a provincial wage. You have to provide housing, transportation. There's a lot of expenses illegally in labor. You don't even have to put them in safe working conditions. And when they go to the hospital because they lost an arm in the meatpacking plant, who pays for it? Is the taxpayer there? Do you get any notion that they want even this legal status? They just don't want raids anymore?
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, no, that's absolutely right. They don't want enforcement. They want to continue with the status quo. I mean, the status quo is basically they have slaves and, you know, or at least indentured servants who can't do anything about it. They can't complain because then, you know, the employer can say, well, I'm gonna call ICE if you complain. But, yeah, I mean, that's exactly what they want, and that is exactly the opposite of what they should get. You know, the. The H2A program, the legal guest worker visa for agriculture, that thing has exploded. I mean, it. It clearly works. It went from like 30, I think somewhere around 37,000 in 2014 to 385,000 visas issued last year. So there are farmers using it, so it obviously works. Is it bureaucratic? Do they have to provide extra things? Yes, yes. But guess what?
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Ryan Graduski
These are picking our food. So therefore not good.
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Ryan Seacrest
Right, but think about this.
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Ryan Graduski
Minimal.
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Ryan Seacrest
If you think about any workforce in the United States where it is important to have a legal, identifiable workforce, don't you think picking our food is that industry? I mean, this is potentially a national security issue. This is our food. And all these Democrats saying, oh, well, you can't take away the people who are picking the food. You can if they're not here legally. We need to know. Know who they are. We need to know that they don't have, you know, bad intentions for. For whatever they're doing. I mean, with the. The number of illegal aliens that came over in the last four years, we have no idea who those people are, where they are. Are they working on Farms. I don't know. Do you?
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Ryan Graduski
Right.
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Ryan Seacrest
We have got to get a grip on this.
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Ryan Graduski
There was a case, my last question. There was a case in Omaha, Nebraska, just like a couple weeks ago where they raided a meatpacking plant. And the stories the day after the raid were, well, upsetting our farms and we won't have this meat and prices are going to explode and they'll never fill these jobs again. And I think within a week, Americans that applied for every one of those jobs, wages had gone up, safety standards had gone up. Can you explain to. And this is not the only time this has happened. It happened in Chicago around a bakery, a black woman. Yeah. Can you explain some examples of this where the prices did not explode. Americans did fill the job. I mean, if you know anybody. Examples, but this one included where this fear mongering over the idea of the lazy American is so preposterously, you know, it's, it's like it's fear porn of the lazy American who just will not do anything. As if, you know, our history as a nation has been built off the backs of bums.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah. Well, and that's one of the things that the Commission on Agricultural Reform found is that the largest cost for food production is actually transportation. It's getting the strawberries from California to the supermarkets on the East Coast. It's not labor. So if you could snap your fingers and replace all of the illegal aliens with legal workers at the wages that they would demand, you would potentially increase the cost of a head of lettuce by a nickel. Are Americans willing to pay a nickel to have a legal workforce picking their food? I think they probably are.
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Ryan Graduski
So, I mean, I mean, I know you don't know these numbers and I don't know them either, but I'm just throwing an idea there. So basically, if the government were to create like a bullet train type thing like China has or parts of the EU have, that could transport stuff very quickly between coasts that would do far more to reduce the cost of food than an illegal workforce.
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Ryan Seacrest
Well, I think what President Trump has done with the cost of energy is doing far more to reduce the cost of food than the labor supply ever will. So. Yeah, but, you know, the other thing is buy local agriculture, you know, buy local food products, products. That reduces the cost and increases the quality.
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Ryan Graduski
Right. Well, Rosemary Jenks, where can people go to learn more about the Immigration Accountability project?
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Ryan Seacrest
We're@iaproject.org on the Internet and all of our social media is linked from our homepage there. Iaproject.org we have all kinds of resources, including the Every single immigration vote of every member of Congress is on our Member Accountability page. So you can find out how your representative or senator votes and how that differs perhaps from what they say on the campaign trail.
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Ryan Graduski
That's so great. I wonder my I did I ran Brandon Gill's race last shows his gc so I think he's one of the better ones.
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Ryan Seacrest
But he's fantastic.
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Ryan Graduski
He's great. I will thank you for being here and hopefully we'll have you on again soon. And please check out the Immigration Accountability Project.
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Ryan Seacrest
Thanks Ryan.
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Ryan Graduski
You're listening to It's a Numbers Game with Ryan Graduski. We'll be right back after this message.
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Now it's time for the Ask Me Anything segment of the show. I want you to be part of the Ask Me Anything segment by emailing me ryanumbers games podcast.com that's Ryan, plural and numbers game podcast.com I will get your emails. I know I'm backlogged a few for a few days, but I will absolutely get to your questions on the air. This one comes from Raphael Casilla. I hope I'm pronouncing your last name correctly, Raphael. I never do, but I hope so. He says. Hi Ryan, I've listened to your podcast since the inception. I especially enjoyed your episode with Alex Thompson. Thank you so much for that. My question pertains to campaign finance. Are there any politicians you consider most efficient users of campaign resources? The prerequisite being that they are able to raise sufficient funds in their race, but predominantly they're able to extract high payoffs for ad spends and other expenses. My interest is aptitude of the person and their judgment on who they hire rather than the source of their funding. Basically, I want the opposite of Bloomberg's $1 billion just to win American Samoa. Thank you, Raphael. Okay, great question. So here is, first of all, Raphael, thank you for listening. Truly, from the bottom of my heart. I'm always amazed that people listen. So I'm, I'm very grateful. When you're looking at how campaign spending, there is a law on the books that campaigns and candidates get a certain rate that is lower than super PACs or even other things like they can't get their rates jacked up. So when it comes to ad spends per dollar, right, they're all at the same level unless they book at the very, very end when things are increased, but they're basically at the same level. The PACs have to pay more, though. And I think that when you're looking at that, I'm assuming you're talking about Congress, by the way, because the president has been just Trump for the last 12 years. And I, you know, I could go into tirades at Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley or whatever, but it's not, it's not really pertainable. And I haven't paid that much attention to what the Democrats have done. So I'm going to assume you're talking about House and Republicans in Congress. When it comes to House and Republicans in Congress, there's two separate kinds of House members, right? There's something called the frontline members. Those are like Juan Siskamani or Ken Calvillet or Mike Lawler. Those are people who are very, very competitive seats that they need a ma massive amount of investments. And then there's people like Marjorie Taylor Greene or Harry Haberman or Ronnie Jackson. Those are districts that Democrats can't win even in a landslide election. So House members in very safe districts will, oftentimes, especially after the primary season is over, give a lot of their money to frontline members who are in danger of losing. The person who did this the Most was Kevin McCarthy. Kevin McCarthy gave in his last cycle when he was running for speaker, when he may have been the speaker. I think when he was running for speaker, speaker, he gave $2 million of campaign funds to endangered Republicans. The leadership, Republican leadership generally gives a lot of money. Steve Scalise, Tom Emmer and Elise Stefanik gave another combined 2 million. And that doesn't include their leadership funds. That's just their campaigns giving money to frontline members because they're safe. The way you kind of angle yourself as a future leader or member of leadership is by raising money for endangered Republicans either in the primary process and getting on board early or in the general election when they're in very tough and competitive districts, which there are fewer and fewer of them. As far as incumbents, I went through a lot of the 20 of the last of the 118th Congress's filing data when I saw this question. As far as the incumbents who spend most efficiently, people in the House that I saw like Congressman Gary Palmer from Alabama and Greg Stu from Florida, were very efficient with their spending, but they also are in very uncompetitive seats. So that might have been the reason I did a quick look at people's burn rates. That's how much you spend versus how much you bring in. In any given election cycle, the cost of fund fundraising is one of the highest burn rate parts of it, but there's other parts like staff and ads and whatnot. I want to see who had the most efficient burn rate. The people who were basically not overspending, especially. They were not in hard districts. I kind of gave people in hard districts a little leeway. But the people that I saw who had great burn rates and were spending money very efficiently was Andy Barr from Kentucky, Pat Fallon from Texas, Chuck Fleischman from Tennessee, Andrew Garbarino from New York, Beth Van Dyne from Texas, Ashley Hinson from Iowa, and Darrell Isle from California. Those who are me, I looked at their stuff and said, wow, they're actually spending money very, very, very efficiently. I don't know the specific ad rates for certain people, some from certain Frontline members. So it's hard to get into that. But I was able to really dig into those kind of safe incumbents and give you a really astute assessment. I hope that that answered your question. Money and politics is very interesting to a lot of people and I always say, say your first dollar matters a lot more than your 1 billionth dollar. It has a diminishing effect. So that's kind of where I lay on it. I hope that answered your question. I found that question really interesting. Was a very, very smart question. Rafael, thank you again for listening. Thank you all for listening. Please like and subscribe this podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast. Wherever you get your podcast and I will see you next time.
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