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It's a Numbers Game: Young Conservative OBLITERATES Woke Talking Points
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Ryan Graduski
Welcome back to a Numbers Game Podcast. Happy Monday. I hope you have had a great day so far. I want to tell you a little story. The year was 1994 and there was once a boy named Ryan and his mother made him broccoli and he threw it out and blamed his little brother and it wasn't right and I did do it and my brother never forgot it. But 31 years later I received a screenshot on my phone from that said brother showing my picture of my podcast with a one star review. Now I know I'm not a hero in this story or a victim in any sense the word. But if you think a 31 year vengeance tour is a little too much, please give me a five star review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or wherever you listen to this podcast. I think a 31 year jihad is needs a little support from my listeners. So please like and subscribe and give me a five star review. I needed to get that out of the way because I thought it was one hilarious and my brother did that and two always encouraging people to give a review to the podcast because it does help if people find it and listen to it. So this episode is a bit of a mashup. I have some data, I have an interview, and I have some fascinating D.C. gossip that I think you'll all really like and then of course ask me anything. So first on the data and everyone is talking about the New York Times article about voter registration and the Democrats numbers plummeting nationwide. Now for those who listen to the show very often, I have talked about this a lot, New Jersey and California especially, and how it has reflected poorly on the Democratic Party. Unfortunately, most Americans don't listen to this podcast, so the Times article seems like it's brand new and I want to go through the information and really explain it to you in a deep way. The article was by Shane Goldmacher and Jonah Smith. I'm not familiar with jonasmith, but Shane's a very solid journalist Actually invite him on this podcast. So he writes, the Democratic Party is hemorrhaging voters long before they even go to the polls. Of the 30 states that track voter registration by political party, Democrats lost ground to Republicans in every single one between 2020 and 2024, often by a lot. The four year swing towards Republicans add up to 4.5 million voters. A deep political hole that could take Democrats years to climb out for out of. And they use L2 data to cite this all I've used L2. L2 is just a voter data company. So basically if I say, hey, I'm going to do a school board election in Lynbrook, Long island or wherever the cases, L2 can provide me data of who is likely to vote most, most often what party they're registered under. It's a good company anyway, they use that data to justify what they're talking about. So a little background. In fact, for the first time since 2018, more new voters nationwide chose to be Republicans than Democrats. Last year, all told, Democrats lost 2.1 million registered voters between 2020 and 2024. In those allow people to register by political party and Republicans gain 2.4 million. Consider this. In 2018, Democrats accounted for 34% of new voter registrations nationwide, where Republicans were only 20. Yet in 2024, Republicans had overtaken Democrats. For years the left had relied on sprawling network of nonprofits which solicit donations from people whose identities they do not disclose to register black and Latino young voters. Though the groups are technically nonpartisan, there is an underlining assumption that most of these voters will be Democrat. You can't just register a young Latino or young black voter and assume that they're going to know that it's Democrat and that they have the best policies, says Ms. Cardona, who is a liberal person. Okay, so stop right there with the article. Buck Sexton had mentioned this in his podcast and he was 100 right. Liberals have been scamming tax nonprofit statuses for years to bolster Democratic voter registration. They knew that going into major urban areas and looking for someone with dark skin would be a positive assumption. They were are more than likely than not to be Democrat and probably nine times out of ten in many cases. But these nonprofits, and I give them credit, I mean listen, they have worked the system for a long time to give tax breaks to these liberal donors. Basically a liberal donor will give a nonprofit $1,000,000 or however how much they get to write off on their taxes as being, you know, beneficial to society. And Democrats get more registered voters I mean, at least Scott Pressler has a super PAC where he doesn't get a tax break, you know, for registering Republicans. This is explicitly using the tax code to benefit. To benefit Democrats. They claim that the reason they can't do this anymore, though, in the same capacity they used to, is because of President Trump. How President Trump has changed the parties. So what they're missing from this story, what Democrats are missing from this narrative and with New York Times reporters, and they're good reporters, but what they're missing from this is that this didn't happen between 20 and 24. It did partially, but this has been going on for a long time, right? This, at least the last four election cycles. So there's a liberal firm called Catalyst, and they did this big breakdown of the 2024 election and the past four elections. Specifically looking at young minorities, Democrats, this is among young black men, young black men being those who are under 30 years old. Democrats won 94% of young Black men in 2012, 90% in 2016, 85% in 2020, and 75% in 2024. That means that a, quote, nonprofit that is registering black, you know, voters in the inner city, and they're almost all likely black or Latino. They had a chance for every 25 people they registered to vote in one of the two major political parties, 24 of them would be guaranteed Democrats, young black men, 24 to 2512 years ago, it's not that long ago, but little by little, it's been taking away for young Hispanic. It's been young Hispanic men, rather, it's been even more extreme. Democrats went from winning 71% of young Latino men in 2012 to, to 67% in 2016 to 63% in 2020 to 47% in 2024. It's all according to Catalyst. And I want to point out that it is a trend because it is important to notice very few major political changes happen overnight. Right. Even the white working classes change towards Republicans. The last time that there was a overnight transformation, I would say would be like Cubans in the 1960s who did change overnight with the Cuban Missile crisis and, and the Bay of Pigs. Like it was a overnight transformation. But that's probably the last one. It's probably the last time there was an overnight transformation of a specific demographic for a specific reason. Because Democrats among young black men lost 4% between 2012, 2016, 5% from 2016 to 2020, and 10% from 2020, 2024. Among young Latino men, 4% from 2012, 4% from 2016 and then 16% between 2020 and 2024. They had that shift going on. They just refused to notice it until it was too big not to notice. Until instead of going from 24 out of 25 young black men being Democrats to being three out of four, which is substantially less, and they don't want to risk bolstering so many more Republicans. Okay, back to the article. Not so long ago, in 2018, Democrats accounted for 66% of new voters under 45 who registered with one of the two major parties. Yet in 2024, that share has fallen to 48%. In other words, Republicans went from roughly one third of newly registered voters in under 45 to a majority in over six years. The story is bleaker for Democrats in some key states. In Nevada, which releases particular detailed data, Republic added twice as many voters under 35 as Democrats did. The shift among men is substantially different from nearly 49% of newly registered voters in a major party chose chose the Democrats in 2020. That number went to 39% in 2024. I want to focus on men because that's really where you're seeing these crazy numbers. Zachary Donini, who I've had on this podcast, he is a data scientist for Decision Desk, he posted that young white men, young white men, those being probably under 30, definitely under 30, maybe even under 25 are really the catalyst. Now there's a big shift among young Latinos. There are majority of young Latino men voting, registering Republican, one in four young black men. But I want to talk about young white men for a second because it is the biggest demographic among young men in this country. Young white men, according to nini, are registering a Republican at an unprecedented level. White men born in the 80s and early 90s, my generation, right, who came of age when George W. Bush was president and I know some people like him, I thought he was a horrible president. But they almost broke 5050 democrat republican white men, which is like the Republicans key demographic. It was really bad when they started registering voting because the other Iraq war and Bush was just horrible. Now young white men who register for one of the two major parties register 71 to 29 Republicans. It is the highest amount of any generation recorded since the 1930s. 71 to 29, that is fifth. That was almost 50 points. Or it's 45 points. Whatever, it's 42. Sorry, my internal math numbers kept on catching up. 42 points. So although it's a six point Republican majority among young Latinos and it's they're losing young young blacks by 50 points instead of, you know, 92 points. That 42 point bump for young white men is the game, it's the, it's that, that is the number game. That is their path to. As they continue to vote, as they vote more frequently, as they start paying taxes and becoming older and being more involved. That is the game for Republicans to grow substantially. Growing up, hearing that you're a cancer for being a young white man, being you're part of the patriarchy, you are responsible for the victimhood of all generations throughout history absolutely propelled this group of people and even young white women by the way, register a majority Republican 53 to 47. Obviously not nearly as much as men. But it's not what you would think watching the Internet where you see that all these like blue haired, short shaved, you know, white women who are all screaming about abortion, Progressive, no majority white women, young white women are registering Republicans.
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Matt Nuclear
Now.
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Ryan Graduski
I want to remind you all that the trend of young people and minorities moving to the right is not isolated to America. We're seeing trends among minorities in basically every part of the Anglo world, in, in Australia, in Canada, in the uk More and more especially Indian and Arab immigrant children who are registering to vote in those countries are increasingly voting for the Republican like party of the Tories or, or the Canadian Conservative Party or what. Zachary Denini, once again, he actually looked at the name Muhammad, which is so smart. Zachary is so smart he looked at the name Muhammad because it's obviously a very specific ethnicity, it's a very specific religion. Men who were born in 1960 with the name Muhammad registered 88 to 12 Democrat men born in 2005 with the name Muhammad registered 59, 41 Democrats. Look at that drop with this demographic. And this is a demographic who probably is pro Gaza, probably is, or on the side of the Palestinian people rather. This is a demographic who has a lot in common on its face of the Democratic Party and yet they are abandoning them because the people who run the Democrat party are screaming college educated women or black activists saying you should feel bad, I need reparations, I am the victim. Or don't. You shouldn't arrest somebody for burning down a building, burning down a school, not a school, but you know, a store or whatever. Now let's look at some key states because remember, only 30 states have registered people by party registration. Okay? So places like Texas, Michigan, Virginia, Wisconsin, they don't register people by party. I wish they did, it make my life a lot easier, but they don't. So I'm going to Go over a few states because I think that that's important. Just to highlight a few. One last thing. Voter registration. Except for new voters, right. If you're 18 and registering for the first time, you obviously didn't change party. But if you are changing parties and you're, you're 40 or 50 or 60 or whatever, it is the last thing to do before you've been a full transformation from one party to the other. In other words, no one who at 55 years old, who has voted most of their life, who's re registering party registration as a Republican is because they're voting Republican for the first time ever. And not in most cases, rather. So you're likely have voted Republican if you're a Democrat, registered Democrat and you're making the switch or vice versa, you have voted Republican for 10 years, but you're finally changing parties. So it's the, the last thing that ever ends up happening. Okay, so let's look at West Virginia because it is the most extreme case. Yes, it's not a swing state, they don't have many congressional seats. But it is the, it's almost all white. It is working class, very little college education. And it is a zeitgeist into the, or it is a, it is a, it is a perfect analogy into the broader crisis Democrats are having with white working class people. And remember West Virginia, for as Republican as it is now, was one of the few states that Jimmy Carter won over Ronald Reagan in 1980. It is a state that voted for Bill Clinton twice. It is a state that probably if Hillary Clinton was the nominee in 2008, she'd be competitive. And Al Gore almost won it in 2000. So that's not that long ago. It was a solid, solid Democratic state, more Democratic than like New Jersey was from 2016 until August 2025. Democrats lost 41.5% of all their registered voters in that state. 40.1, 41.5%. Republicans grew their registration by 26%. And I'm using 2016, right, which is different than the New York Times article because here's what happened between 2016 and 2020. Most state Democratic Party saw a big bump because it was, you know, Trump's in power, it's fascism. It's, you know, everyone put your pink pussy hats on and sit there and start screaming into the wild like, like that was happening for those four years and that bolstered Democrat registration. And then 2020 happens. Obviously, yes, Biden's in charge, but the great wokeism happens and you know, everyone's being me too. And everyone's being canceled. Everyone's a racist. And you know, we have to have the trans bathing suits for 6 year olds at Target. All that stuff happens post 2020. But I'm looking at the long view from 2016. Okay. In Nevada, since 2016 now, Democrats have actually grown their voter registration in Nevada. Nevada is a very fast growing state. So this makes sense. Democrats gained 33,500 registered voters. Republicans gained almost 119,000 registered Republicans. In New Hampshire, a semi swing state which has Republican local government, Democrat federal government, Democrats have lost 5% of all their registered voters. Republicans have gained. Republicans actually have 8% plurality of all or sorry, they have more registered Republicans in the state of New Hampshire than Democrats. In Pennsylvania, the most important swing state in the country, Democrats have lost 16% of all their registered voters since 2016. Republicans have gained 6%, have increased their popular, their numbers by 6%. You have to remember two things. Democrats had 900,000 more registered voters than Republicans in 2016. That's down to 59,000 this time. And Scott Press has done a lot of work and other people done a lot of work in Pennsylvania. But there's one thing that no one ever talks about, and I want to talk about it for one second about Pennsylvania Specifically in 2016, there was an article, I think it was by, it was my Nate Cohen. It was by, it was in 538. It's called like the Missing white voter. If Trump can find them. There are, there were, as of 2016, there were 44 million non college educated white Americans who were not registered to vote. And millions of them lived in one state in particular, and that was Pennsylvania. So what happened in 2023 that didn't really make a lot of national news? Well, Governor Josh Shapiro announced automatic voter registration for people when they get driver's licenses. So everyone who renews all of a sudden has to register to vote and register in a major political party. And though the decline for the Democratic Party happening before that happened, it expedited the process. Republicans started gaining thousands more than Democrats after that happened because all the non college educated white Americans who never bothered to vote but all of a sudden had to register to vote were registering Republican in huge numbers. And that was a major game changer in Pennsylvania that I think Josh Shapiro did not think long terms. I don't know if he would have done the same thing over again if he would have known how horrible it was for his party. Last but not least, the state of Florida, because this is, I mean, this is this is the whole kit and caboodle. Democrats in 2016 had 350,000 more registered members of their party than Republicans. And since 2016, Democrats lost 700,000 registered members of their party and Republicans gained 1 million. 1 million. It is a collapse of a party that has no chance in the third largest day in this country for a very, very, very long time. I don't even know how you rebuild a party in that kind of situation. And once again, the difference between what I'm saying and the New York Times I'm looking at the long view. I'm looking since 2016 because I think that it's important to see that even when you count the resist Trump voter surge that happened when, you know, he first took office and Madonna sanctioned to blow up the White House and all the rest of it and Kathy Griffin is holding up a, you know, is a fake head and is bleeding. Even when you include that Democrats are in a worse place nine years later. Even when you consider all of that. Okay, that's enough for the data. I have a great, interesting guest coming up next. I saw him online and I was like, I got to talk to this kid. I think you guys would find him fascinating. That's coming up right after this.
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Ryan Graduski
So I was scrolling on Twitter a couple of days ago, maybe a week ago now, and I came across this episode of Jubilee. It's this kind of crazy website where 20 people scream at one person. And there was a activist by the name of Amanda Seals, I think I'm pronouncing her last name correctly. And she was debating 20 black conservatives. And this young man, Matt Nuclear, who's with us today, was on. And he was really smart and came across really thought provoking. And I want to have him on the pod and talk about the debate experience and how he became such a well spoken conservative. And you're 18 years old, right, Matt?
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Matt Nuclear
I Indian am I 18? I'm turning 19 in two months.
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Ryan Graduski
So how did you get invited to Jubilee?
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Matt Nuclear
I've been doing like TikTok live debates for a bit and I believe that they invited me from that specifically. It's not like I asked them to come on. And I was supposed to originally do a different episode that was canceled, but because they, you know, like my performance on the episode that got canceled, they invited me back to debate a radical, you know, black person. And I was like, sure, I'll do it.
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Ryan Graduski
So how long are you there for, by the way? Is it hours and hours?
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Matt Nuclear
I believe for. I believe that was three hours or two hours. It was a long time.
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Ryan Graduski
Okay, so now Amanda, I've never heard of Amanda Seals before. Her position was what?
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Matt Nuclear
Her position essentially was that reparations were just and necessary. I mean, she's also now came out and said that black on black crime does not exist and it's not something of any relevancy whatsoever. And essentially that, you know, black people are being oppressed by white people and this is why these sort of disparities exist.
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Ryan Graduski
Now you're, you were really, really smart in how you came across. What was your biggest opposition? So what she's. Are you naturally very conservative?
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Matt Nuclear
Yeah, I am typically very conservative on basically almost everything.
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Ryan Graduski
Okay.
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Matt Nuclear
But I just naturally opposed to these handouts who aren't that this really isn't going to fix any problem. Like I told her, if you hand every Black person a $50,000 check in America. It isn't really going to increase the median household income by any significant amount in the next decade or two. It's not really going to change anything significantly. What we need to do is bring back the black nuclear family and, you know, stop the issues in reference to violence, in reference to gang crime, and then we can see some improvements. But this idea that handing people a check is going to change something radically is just. It's humorous.
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Ryan Graduski
Now, how was she backstage? I think you DM me said that she wanted to cut you off or she didn't want parts of what you said aired, right?
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Matt Nuclear
No, no, it's. It's that she just didn't want to debate me. Like, there was a point where, like I said, redlining didn't exist to the extent that, you know, they tried to act as if it existed. And she didn't want to debate me right there. Like, she literally asked the producers just not to debate me. And so.
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Ryan Graduski
And what did they say?
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Matt Nuclear
Well, they just wanted her to just finish that debate. They tried to encourage her to just finish that debate. And yeah, I mean, she kept threatening to quit debating a lot of people, like, multiple different times during the break. I mean, it was. It was insane.
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Ryan Graduski
But that's. That's wild. You know what? I don't. And would never happen with a white conservative versus white liberal. But she did it to you. She said at one point, talk to me like, I'm your mama or something. We would never say that to each other. What was your reaction when she said that?
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Matt Nuclear
Well, I just thought, like, what is she. What is going on with this woman? Like, is she okay in the head? Like, I don't know how that's a normal thing you can say to someone. Like, we're having a conversation and someone makes an argument and you are like, you know, speak to me as if I was your mama. Like, well, who said. Who says things like that? That's not a normal thing to say. And I remember watching the Megyn Kelly show, there was a guy on there who was like, what if I told someone, you know, speak to me as if I was their father during the middle of a conversation. Doesn't really make any sense. It's a weird thing. And yeah, that's a weird way to respond to someone's argument is they should treat you or speak to you as if they were, you know, mother.
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Ryan Graduski
Sorry. It's just so weird. What was. Was her. A lot of her arguments. I mean, there were grains, from what I heard of it. I didn't Watch the entire episode. I literally just watched your segment because I thought you were really, really well, especially for such a young man and who doesn't do this for a living. There were like, grains of truth and then a lot of emotional attachment to that. Is that what you found when she was talking to you?
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Matt Nuclear
I think so, but I didn't really find that a lot of grains of truth really either. I mean, she tried to act as if black people are still not considered, what, like a full person in America, which obviously isn't true. So, yeah, I mean, there was not a lot of truth in which, to be honest.
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Ryan Graduski
I have a. I have a hypothesis. So I'm from Queens, New York, where most black Americans living in my county are immigrants. Right there. Immigrants from Jamaica, Caribbean. They have the highest household income of any group of people.
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Matt Nuclear
Right.
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Ryan Graduski
I mean, far exceeding even whites. This is according to the New York Times. You're an immigrant from, I think, Angola, right?
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Matt Nuclear
Yeah, I came to America in, oh, six.
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Ryan Graduski
So do you think because you were not brought. Maybe you were, but were you kind of. Kind of thrown at the, what you expect, the black experience in America in the same way that maybe somebody who's general, who's been here for generations, would have been, or maybe because immigrants from Africa, not all of Africa, like Sudan and Somalians, are not really exceeding, but. But immigrants from Jamaica, Angola, black immigrants from Jamaica, Angola, places like that, Nigeria, they do Kenya, they exceed black Americans who've been here since slavery. Do you think because having a more immigrant experience brought you a different kinds of potential and different kinds of understanding of what it's like to be an American, maybe change why you're more conservative, is that part.
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Matt Nuclear
Yeah, I think. I think it may have influenced me a little bit. But I just have to preface it by saying I was raised here. I mean, I've been living here since I was six years old.
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Ryan Graduski
No, I.
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Matt Nuclear
Not a lot of people. Not a lot of people can tell you what they were doing prior to the age of six or even remember a lot of those things. Right. So the only difference was, is that I was raised in Maine, which is like a significant majority white state, although I did live around a black immigrant community as well. And I was taught by my parents I should respect this country. I should be grateful for being in this country. And so I've always had this kind of appreciative look on America and its founding in general, where a lot of, you know, people like Amanda Seals, obviously, are not very appreciative at all. And that might be Some of the distinctions and some of the differences. But apart from that. Yeah, I think my experience has been.
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Ryan Graduski
When I said the immigrant experience, I more meant your parents than you. Your parents would have probably been more of like, you need to hustle and make it and do everything that you possibly can. Have a different appreciation than somebody who's kind of been, rightly or wrongly, kind of bathed in multi generational of like feelings of, of, you know, you're a victim. You're a victim. And also every institution rewards you for believing you're a victim.
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Matt Nuclear
Yeah. No, my parents, especially my mother, has, has always told me to be appreciative of this country and to always look back at, you know, where people in Angola, the DRC or Nigeria currently are. And so that's, that's one of the reasons why I have been a conservative or someone who is proud of this country is because of the opportunity this country has given me and the opportunity this country has given black Americans. They should be very much proud to. I don't get the entitlement because while they may be making, I don't know, on average, I don't know, is it 36,000, 40,000, $45,000 a year. There are people are living off of a dollar a year right now. Right. Our people in Africa. So it's like very much. You got to be very much appreciative.
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Ryan Graduski
Right? I mean, you would much rather be a black American, black in America than black in Sudan.
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Matt Nuclear
And they try to act as if they wouldn't. They try to act as if it's like there's always this constant mention of the transatlantic slave trade which did happen, but let's be honest, like when the Europeans were sailing south either from, from North America or whatever, it's not like they would sail all the way down to sub Saharan Africa and just start grabbing people, grabbing these Africans who are running constantly. That's not, that's not something that is even. It makes any sense. These people were already brought as slaves by other African rulers of the coast because they knew Europeans would be there, ready to trade, you know, give them items or gun and stuff like that for these slaves. It's. The majority of these slaves were brought by, by sub Saharan Africans themselves, who, by the way, really didn't want the transatlantic slave trade to end because they were enriching themselves, which she failed to understand with her, you know, degree in African American studies.
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Ryan Graduski
Do you. Have you been to Angola since moving here?
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Matt Nuclear
No. No? No.
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Ryan Graduski
Oh, you've never been back? Okay. I was wondering if There was a different opinion of black slavery in Africa versus America. I'm sure there is. I just don't know what is. I've never been to Africa, but I just something that kind of popped in my head. What? You know, I've been doing this whole thing today about the New York Times piece about voter registration. Right. And how voter registration has changed away from Democratic Party, especially for specifically young men. You are a young man. You're 18 years old. Is this something that you have noticed, a phenomenon among other young men in your age group? Because young men, young black men, went from voting, I think, 96% for a Democrat in 2012, just something like 75%. So they went from like 24 out of 25 to 1 in 4 were voting Republic. One out of 25 voting Republican 12 years ago, when you were like 6, and now it's like 1 in 4. This is a hum. Tremendous growth. Is that something that you've seen among other, like this growth of it, this acceptance is normalization, something you've seen among other young men your age?
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Matt Nuclear
I definitely have seen it. And the reason, obviously, for why this is the case is because the Democratic Party really isn't giving any solutions. All they are doing is telling black people that you're a perpetual victim and to freak out whenever there is a white man or a white police officer who unalives you. When we have, you know, black men being unalived every single day in America. And it's really a hypocritical perspective to act as if it is, you know, this atrocity, this significant injustice when you don't come outside every day when there are black men being unalived in Southside Chicago. So are you really black lives matter, or are you trying to just make white people look bad? Right.
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Ryan Graduski
Yeah. Well, you grew up in Maine, you said, which is a fairly liberal state. It's not the most liberal.
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Matt Nuclear
It's not Vermont. Yeah, yeah.
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Ryan Graduski
Do you. What do you like when you speak to, like, young, younger white people who have a tremendous, like, level of white guilt or like, they're extremely woke around race relations. How do you approach that? Because, you know, a lot more, I feel like, than the average person on even, like, slavery, what you mentioned today.
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Matt Nuclear
Yeah, I try to approach it with just some, like, basic questions. You know, did you ever participate in slavery? Do you believe in generational punishment? Right. Like countries like North Korea have, like, the three generational rule where if, you know, you do something, your children will suffer and, you know, your. Your father will suffer or something like That, I mean, you don't, you shouldn't have to pay for the consequences of your ancestors. Not to mention many of these white people today did arrive as immigrants in the 1700s or 1800s and 1900s. So a lot of them weren't even, you know, their family lineage weren't even owning any slaves yet they should still have to pay reparations. A lot of this is fallacious and there has been reparations in terms of investment in low income black communities already. For example, I'm pretty sure. What is it? Baltimore? I think. Yeah, Baltimore public schools. It's 22,500 like dollars per student there. In Utah it's like half that with like 11,000 per student. And yet there's a big difference in like, you know, test scores and like school outcomes and so on and so forth. So it's not even just funding. A lot of this has to do with, you know, the nuclear family, with prioritizing education, with having a father in the home, like all of those different other factors. We just know that pumping money into things just doesn't fix issues as long as much as like I know that's what Democrats want to hear and what leftists want to hear, that if you just pump money into these different things and don't focus on any cultural problems because there is no cultural problems according to the left, that that will fix the issue, but it just doesn't prove to be true.
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Ryan Graduski
It's, it's basically everything Thomas Soul's been saying for, I don't know, 85 years. What do you ever read him, by the way?
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Matt Nuclear
Yes, Thomas Soul, he's also a big inspiration.
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Ryan Graduski
Do. Where did you get your concern? Was it, was it ba. I mean you said your parents, but like where did you learn things from the Internet mostly, or did you read or.
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Matt Nuclear
I think a combination of a little bit of both. I've looked into Ben Carson, Thomas Soul, and I've just done a lot of a decent amount of reading. Not, I wouldn't say like a crazy amount of reading, but I've done a decent amount of reading in general in reference to looking at things online, looking at statistics, looking at the facts, looking.
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Ryan Graduski
At the data and then just trying.
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Matt Nuclear
To kind of figure things out. Right. Like one step at a time trying to figure things out.
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Ryan Graduski
And then you started tiktoking your opinion, right? Yeah, just started doing TikTok lives, normal Gen Z stuff. So just two quick things. So one actually brought up schools and in. Have you heard of the miracle from Mississippi? Have you heard of this Phenomenon. Mississippi changed a rule when it came to education, which basically means if you could not read at a third grade level, you could not go to fourth grade. And there was basically no exemptions, and it was 10 years. But there was very little financial increases. But they got everyone on board. They retrained teachers. They did the science of reading. And black Americans in Mississippi actually have higher test scores than black Americans in Maryland.
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Matt Nuclear
Right.
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Ryan Graduski
Among many other places, refusing to allow people to fail and they fail forwards especially, is a huge incentive to really improving the overall standards. Is this something that, like, is a broad understanding among, like. I mean, I know it's for conservatives, but I know I'm asking a question, being a conservative.
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Matt Nuclear
Is it.
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Ryan Graduski
Yeah, for other black people?
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Matt Nuclear
I don't know if it's a broad. I don't think most black people would necessarily agree with that. I'm not necessarily sure. I would assume that they probably, you know, wouldn't agree with it. But, like, I think it's. I think it's better for us to focus on, you know, the whole, like, no Child Left behind stuff just doesn't work. Like, we have the data on this stuff. Nothing really is fixed by the. Trying to fix these disparities. Like the whole LeBron James school that's heavily funded, still received, like, low test score. I'm pretty sure, like, the Akron. Akron board, they figured out that. Hold on, there's so much money being pumped in, why are the test scores not, you know, significantly increasing? So, yeah, there's cultural issues here, right.
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Ryan Graduski
In among an immigrant. You see, you were with a lot of African immigrants in Maine. Was this a broadly accepted concept among African immigrants in America that the family unit is so important to raising people right? Is that, Is that a big difference between African Americans? There's African immigrants.
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Matt Nuclear
No, absolutely. I think there's a. There's a different cultural. There's a significant cultural difference when it comes to that. I believe that we're much more appreciative when it comes to the United States, less entitled as well, more grateful because of where we're coming from specifically and understanding that. And yeah, big emphasis on the family.
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Ryan Graduski
There's a huge difference from how I've noticed my friends who are African and Caribbean immigrants, how they speak of black America. Including my own family members. I have a few families who are black, Caribbean, and they are. They do not speak about African Americans, descendants of slaves. Very well. Just little note, side note, I don't know if you can agree and disagree, but I agree. Yeah, but the, the, the interesting trend that no one really talks about or knows is that black fertility rates, African American retailer rates, has declined substantially. It's actually lower than whites for the first time, I think almost ever documented. And a bigger and bigger percentage of people who have children today who are black are, have ancestry in immigration.
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Matt Nuclear
Right.
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Ryan Graduski
Which is completely different from all historical standards. I wonder if that changes the dynamics of the future of how black Americans, a significant portion no longer rooting their life to slavery into redlining and to, and to everything else else will change the relationship by either not only just between the parties and, and African Americans, but African Americans opinions of our own country. Because it is very low.
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Matt Nuclear
I believe it, I believe it would. It's, it's definitely a possibility that there's going to definitely be some change there in general. But I also do see a lot of African Americans who try to assimilate into black American culture a lot of the times. And you know, that's also something. So what does that mean to assimilate.
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Ryan Graduski
The black American culture?
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Matt Nuclear
Well, I think a lot of them that are immigrants who come here try to do this thing where they're trying to necessarily fit in with all of the narratives surrounding black America. And to me I find it a lot of cringy, cringy. And I'm not saying black American culture is just gang violence because of course there's more than just gang violence, but a lot of them do specifically try to get on the negative parts and try to, you know, join gangs or be in the street life in general, which I don't understand how you could. Good. After you come from a third world country and you're given such an opportunity. But you know, stuff works, right?
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Ryan Graduski
No, I, I, that's, that's really interesting. I, I live a lot of times in the Deep south and half the year I spent in Louisiana, so I see a lot of, a lot of that more than I, than I care to. What do you think if you're a young person, if you, and you do this on Tick Tock all the time, what are like three, two or three things that like young people are talking about on the Internet as far as, because you talk a lot about Israel and other things. I've noticed. I saw some of your TikToks. What made you engage? Like, what are the topics that you also so often find yourself engaged in? Obviously it's not all race relations as it was in this YouTube league video.
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Matt Nuclear
No, yeah, it's definitely Israel in Palestine. And the reason why I started engaging in those conversations is because I I kind of, I saw the whole cures for Palestine movement and I'm like, how can you support a people who literally want you dead and don't align with your views whatsoever? And you know, I went into the whole conversation about, you know, Israel being basically the only democracy in the Middle east, the only country where Arabs can vote in the Middle east, and the only country that is not an open theocracy in the Middle east who was attacked and should have the right to at least defend itself as any other country would probably behaved if they were attacked in the same exact way. And so what I felt that I have a duty as an American to support our ally and give justifications for why we support our ally and why a lot of people just don't have good reasons as to why we shouldn't couldn't support Israel. And so that's kind of how I got into that whole thing.
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Ryan Graduski
And it kind of leaks over into the whole idea of colonialism, of, of people who are, who are victims versus you know, people who commit victim, people who commit atrocities on people versus victims. Their whole understanding, a very basic understanding. I have like two woke white lip cousins who like say shit like this all the time. But they're like, like they very much opinion is well if they are brown or therefore they must be victims. It kind of does boil down to that. Did you ever come across.
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Matt Nuclear
Absolutely. That is essentially leftist ideology. A lot of people ask me why don't people care about the DRC or Sudan? Is it because the people there are black? And that's not really the reason because the Arabs in Gaza are not much different from the Arabs in Syria or the Arabs in Yemen who have went through worse things and have, you know, actually experienced a lot of hunger while Gaza has received the most amount of food per capita. And it's not about the death count obviously either. So what the main issue is that the left, in order for them to care about anything, is that there has to be a white or if they make Jews white in order for it to fit the narrative oppressor, brown, black victim. If there's not that dynamic, then they don't really care. It's not about atrocities, it's not about who's hungry, it's not about what's going on and how bad it is, how bad the conditions are. Because when Rwanda, which is a black majority country in sub Saharan Africa, invades the drc, well they're both black. So we can't call Rwanda apparently a colonizer because you know, white people never imperialize Each other or black people can't imperialize each other. So it's just difficult. Leftist ideology.
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Ryan Graduski
And that leaks over into America. What you said before, why don't you care about the south side of Chicago? Because it's a black person killing another black person.
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Matt Nuclear
Exactly. It's typical leftist ideology. The same thing that works with blm, the same thing that works with the, you know, radical movements. You have to have that sort of dynamic. You have to have someone to blame. Right, right.
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Ryan Graduski
And unlike, I think unlike leftist theory from even 30 years ago when I was a kid, which was a lot of. Which is a lot of rooted in class dynamics. It's almost all race dynamics now. I mean, there's, I guess, hints of class dynamics, but it's almost all on the basis of race. And I wonder if that has affected, because I said this in the monologue earlier, 71% of race, white, young white men are now registering Republicans. People who were born when you were born.
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Matt Nuclear
Right.
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Ryan Graduski
That has never happened before. And there's been an increase in black and Hispanic too. But I wonder if the overwhelming consciousness of race being the center of everything has really turned down young Gen Z men like yourself.
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Matt Nuclear
Oh, no, absolutely. And people say, you know, black fatigue and all these different things. It's really just leftist fatigue and leftist ideology fatigue in general. I mean, I think everyone's tired of. I think this is why many young men, regardless of black or white, are, you know, leaning more conservative, leaning more right. And which is why the Democratic Party is losing a lot of support. Because people are tired of the Democratic Party's, you know, you know, exhausted arguments. People are tired of hearing the other victim. People are tired of not getting any answers or any explanations whatsoever. And of course it's made the popular in party, I mean, made it more unpopular. And when you have someone like, for example, Amanda Seal, who responds to people's arguments by saying that, you know, treat me as if I was your mom or speak to me as if I was your mom, it's not really, you know, anything that's compelling. It's not a compelling argument whatsoever. So I don't. How can they not lose support when that's how they behave, when they behave out of emotionality.
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Ryan Graduski
Two quick questions. So two last questions. One, is there anything you didn't get to say in that jubilee debate that you wished you would have that you could say now?
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Matt Nuclear
Yeah, I think I wanted to mention more, you know, in like ways that racism has been happening against white people? I did mention the University of Western Washington, but for Example, Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago, who has been touting the amount of black people he's hired for his, you know, administration and how few white people and all those different things. The doj, actually, I think the Civil Rights division specifically opened up an investigation into Brandon Johnson because of that, obviously. And that's another way systemic racism has been going on. I also wanted to mention United Air. Yeah, United Airlines, because they said that, what, in the year 2050, I don't know, is it 30 or 40% of the pilots will be black. It's like this weird thing where you're like, we know for a fact by this year we're going to have this many black pilots and we're totally not discriminating anyone to get to that point. Totally not. Right. So I think I wanted to mention that as well because it's like, it's silly if any. This is the thing is that it's so hypocritical. A lot of black people can do things that white people could never do or even say, right. If any, like, you know, black person, you know, owned any company and said, I'm going to make sure that this is going to be 50% black by this year, no one's gonna have a problem with it. No one's gonna figure out. But if a white person said, I'm make sure this is 50 or 60% white by this year, everyone goes out. Might as well, you know, do riots and loot from small businesses when that happens, right? So it's, it's just humorous. Everyone's tired of this whole, you know, you know, white people are guilty, white people are evil colonizers and all these sorts of different things. People are tired of it and that's just the truth.
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Ryan Graduski
Do you find that in like your own life in Maine like that? I mean, I asked you this before, but like, is it more common than not even in a blue place like that. But do you ever find someone who like a white kid who does say those things and you're like, wow, this is really refreshing. Doesn't come off like a crazy person to you?
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Matt Nuclear
Well, I didn't. Well, when I was in Maine, I didn't really hear much people specifically talk about that. The people in Maine, by the way, are very nice in general, very kind of kind hearted people, although it is a majority liberal state. But in general, I mean, I don't know if I've ever heard a lot of these arguments from the white people in Maine in general. I don't think that they're really willing to say that because they think they might come out as racist or evil. Which you know, brings me to another point is the fact that if we were sitting across from NSCLS and we were white, she would definitely be calling us racist. Okay. And she tried to exclude me by oh well, you, you know, you, you came from Africa a little later than my family did, therefore were better than you in some sort of way or something.
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Ryan Graduski
You're more like, yes, authentic, which is.
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Matt Nuclear
Really silly as well.
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Ryan Graduski
If a white person ever said that you're less authentically American to a black person, it would also be considered racist. Matt, where can people go to like listen to you more and see more of your stuff? Because I think you're really engaging, you're really smart. I think you have a could have a big career in this and I was tweeting about you like crazy saying someone and I think you're to 20,000 followers close to on Twitter.
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Matt Nuclear
Yeah, I'm at 21.3 or 4,000, 000 followers now and I and I appreciate everyone. Follow the kind messages and generosity people can find me on X. I did finally fix my handle. It's just Matt Nuclear. On X it is Matt Nuclear on TikTok it is Matt Nuclear also on YouTube and I'm going to create a Instagram account as well pretty soon so people can find me there. Yeah.
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Ryan Graduski
And you're going to talk about Israel and other stuff like this or.
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Matt Nuclear
Yeah, I talk about multiple different subjects, whether it's Israel, systemic racism or any of these different things. Things.
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Ryan Graduski
Awesome. Matt, you're really smart. I can't wait to see where you go with this stuff. And I think that. I think you have a bright future ahead of you.
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Matt Nuclear
So thank you so much for having me on Ryan.
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Ryan Graduski
You're listening to it's the Numbers Game with Ryan Graduski. We'll be right back after this message.
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Ryan Graduski
Well, I think Matt Nuclear was super interesting. I hope you guys liked him. All right, so a piece of D.C. gossip that I heard that I thought you guys find fascinating. There is a member of Trump's cabinet. I'm not going to name names until this comes out publicly, but you guys put two and two together and you'll know what I'm talking about. There is a member of the cabinet who is, you know, well known. It's, and it's well known that this member, it's a woman, is having an affair, a very semi public affair. And if you're in political circles, you know, well, a reporter walked up to her and said to her, why are you having this affair? Why haven't you met up with your husband? Why aren't you divorcing your husband? And she blurted out to this reporter who I know and said, oh, my husband's gay. Like what? Didn't even try and I don't know, make something up. Oh, we're doing it for the kids. We're still together. Please respect my privacy. Blurted out, blurted it out. I don't know if it's going to come forward. I don't know if they're going to do a story on it. It's maybe too gossipy. I found it so interesting that they just blurted out and whatever, we'll see if it comes about. I thought you guys would find it fascinating. If it becomes a story, I'll talk more about it. I don't, I don't know, it's someone's private life. But if it becomes a story, I just think that it's very interesting. That they, this person did not try harder to protect their spouse in this conversation. All right, let's get to Ask Me Anything. I know some people really like the gossip, so I try to give it when I have it. All right, so the Ask Me Anything segment of this podcast. If you want to be part of Ask Me Anything, email me. Ryan numbers game podcast.com that's ryan@NumbersGame. Podcast.com the first question I have is from a friend of mine who doesn't want their name revealed, which is most friends of mine when they have to associate with me, they say, how does someone who has never been polled get their voice heard? And what is your implication towards voluntary polling responses and biases? Okay, this is a great question. So there is a polling bias in the sense that people who want to be polled listen, polling is very expensive, right? It's extremely expensive. Polls cost 30, 40, $50,000 per poll. That's why you're seeing fewer and fewer polls come out. By the way, if you notice, there was a lot more polls back in 2016 and 2012 when you could just still sit there and call a landline or you know, just get a hold of people, much easier. It's much harder now and you have to use different forms of technology to get a hold of somebody. Well, the, the, the story with polling biases, people who answer polls are asked again more often because they know they're likely to answer. So it creates a polling bias. And also people who are highly engaged in polling usually want to answer them more. That's the kind of like the bias. And you can see it sometimes in the cross tabs when you see, you'll see a poll and it'll be like Trump is losing.
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Matt Nuclear
Perfect.
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Ryan Graduski
Oh, I have a perfect, perfect example. Ann Seltzer. Ann Seltzer's famous Iowa Poll from 2024. I call this as BS from the get go. And why did I call this BS from the get go? They had Trump losing white women over 65 by like 30 points. It was his worst Democrats traffic. Now, 65 year old white women in Iowa are more than likely fairly religious, evangelical. They're probably not watching Rachel Maddow, that is. And yet they were overwhelmingly shown in this poll. They were overwhelmingly noticed in this poll. And you could just spot it out saying there's, there shouldn't be this 40 point demographic fallout with a population that's fairly fixed. It's not like, you know, you're, you're, there's a huge population change in Iowa. It's not like you're importing a million 60 year olds in there, 65 year old women. It was a very obvious thing. And so you can kind of spot the biases there. And that's why a lot of these pollsters are showing up huge problems when it comes to their results, especially when Trump's involved, because they can't get a hold of the low information voters. Not that they don't want to show them. They would love to be the pollster who got it right. A lot of them can't find them and they do the lazy work. And you. It's a poll asks like 75, 80 questions. Only someone who's so deranged like me would answer 80 questions to a pollster and they can't wait for it. A normal poll would be like seven, eight questions because someone's got to cook dinner, they got to go take care of the kids, they got to do, they got to go to work. They're not answering 80 questions. So you can kind of see the participation rates by how many questions are asked of whether or not it has a, it has a likelihood to have a high voter bias. How do you get your voice across? Answer one poll, I mean that's basically it. You probably will get polled at least one point. You can't ask the poll server like oh please, please, please reach out to me. But if you answer once, you'll more than likely be asked again. I get asked pretty frequently to answer a poll because they know I answer them. But I'm the wrong person because I love politics. I'm too involved. You need people who are not so in love to be more representative. Anyway, that's a great question. Thank you to my friend who asked that question. Last question on the poll today comes from John from Connecticut. He writes Ryan, great podcast and I know you favor JD Vance, but what is DeSantis path to the presidency if you are gaming it out? He can't wait 8 years of JD does he need the economy to crash or what other considerations are at play? Okay. I like both JD and DeSantis. I think DeSantis has been a great governor. JDI worked for him. I'm a big fan of what he does publicly. So I'm not, you know, I'm not besmirching one or the other. They're two totally different types of animals. And I'm met. It's very well known because I wrote about it because it was being leaked about. But I met with DeSantis to try to talk to him about the 2024 election primary and this is DeSantis's problem. One, the policies are there, but the vibes aren't. He's got to loosen up more. And I saw him talking about music the other day, but it was kind of stiff what he was saying. He needs to show more that he's a dad. He needs to show more that he is a person. He needs to show less about policy. He needs to build his social media following that's like, more friendly towards, like, who he is as a person. I mean, that's a four year job right there. And I don't know if he's even comfortable doing that. Like I told when I talked to DeSantis, I said to him, you need to bring up the fact that if he, you for as good of a ball player as you were and as smart as you are, you would have not likely got into Yale if you were born 20 years apart because you're a white man and they're discriminated against. And he wouldn't bring that up. And I, and I know people brought up to him afterwards and he would not bring that part up. So he'd have to tactically move to the right in uncomfortable conversations that I don't think that he's been willing to have. He needs to show more of his personal side. But look, unless J.D. really says something wild and out there or if Trump endorses against him, I don't think there's anyone who could beat him. And I'm just being frank. I, I don't even know how to game it out because it just, I just don't see how that's. I just don't see the path. There's only been one vice president who's ever ran for the party's nomination and lost it in any sort of living memory, and it was Mike Pence, and it's only because he ran against Donald Trump. Yeah, I don't know. I think doing What I advise DeSantis to do would help him overall long term. If you wanted to be a senator, which I don't think he wants to be, or do something else or prepare for a run at some point, but it's very difficult to, to unseat the party's nominee. Also talk less about Florida. I was, I told DeSantis, like, no one, like the whole country is in Florida. I know you guys love it down there and you think you're your own country, but it's, it's not the whole country. Like, some people do want to live in Michigan. So, like, I mean, you got to talk about bigger things than that. Anyway, I like DeSantis. I'm not, I'm not not crapping on him. And I, you know, I'm I'm big fan of JD but that's what I would best advise, I guess, if I was gonna take on climbing Mount Everest, which is that. So anyway, thank you guys for listening to this podcast. If you like this podcast, please like and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcast. Wherever you get your podcast, I will talk to you guys on Thursday. Thank you. Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? 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