Karol Markowicz Show: Forgotten New York: A Love Letter to the City with Kevin Walsh

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Episode: Karol Markowicz Show: Forgotten New York: A Love Letter to the City with Kevin Walsh
Release Date: February 26, 2025

In this engaging episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosted by Premiere Networks, Clay and Buck delve into a heartfelt conversation with Kevin Walsh, the creator behind the acclaimed website and books, Forgotten New York and Forgotten Queensland. Kevin brings his passion for preserving the architectural and infrastructural history of New York City, offering listeners a nostalgic glimpse into the city's bygone eras.

1. Introduction to Kevin Walsh and Forgotten New York

[09:32] The episode kicks off with Carol Markowitz introducing Kevin Walsh, highlighting his impressive work in documenting New York City's lost landmarks. Kevin shares his long-standing fascination with the city’s evolving landscape, tracing his journey back to 1962 when he first noticed the replacement of ornate cast-iron lampposts with modern, streamlined poles.

Notable Quote:

Kevin Walsh: “Back in 1962, I noticed that all the lampposts on my block had been taken down and replaced with brand new ones. I was fascinated by this. I just was.”

2. The Genesis of Forgotten New York

Kevin recounts the inception of Forgotten New York, which began in 1998 during the early days of the World Wide Web. Frustrated by under-construction websites, he envisioned a comprehensive platform filled with rich content from the outset. This vision materialized into the website, showcasing detailed photographs and historical accounts of New York's infrastructure, from lampposts and mailboxes to stoplights.

[15:30] Reflecting on the early days, Kevin expresses gratitude for the dedicated following his project garnered, including features in prominent publications like The New York Times and The New Yorker.

Notable Quote:

Kevin Walsh: “I was gratified for the following I have gotten in the early days... The New York Times article was pretty good. I was above the fold...”

3. Preserving New York’s Architectural Heritage

Kevin emphasizes that Forgotten New York isn’t merely a nostalgic tribute but a critical examination of the city’s architectural and infrastructural transformations. Unlike civic promoters, his work often highlights the elements he wishes hadn’t been replaced, offering a balanced perspective on New York’s relentless modernization.

[17:38] He shares his approach to writing, aiming to delve deep into the less-discussed aspects of the city, such as faded signs and old mailboxes, which serve as gateways to understanding New York’s rich history.

Notable Quote:

Kevin Walsh: “I wanted to talk about New York City's infrastructure... It serves as a gateway to a New York City that a lot of people don't know about or have forgotten.”

4. The Impact of Change and Personal Reflections

Discussing the inevitable changes in New York, Kevin conveys a nuanced view. While he appreciates certain modern architectural advancements, he laments the loss of beloved historical structures. He acknowledges that change is constant but advocates for a balanced approach that honors the past while embracing the future.

[19:17] Kevin reveals his relocation to South Florida, noting how his move has influenced his perspective on urban development and historical preservation.

Notable Quote:

Kevin Walsh: “I enjoy its architecture, I enjoy its infrastructure. If you like what I do, you can see how much I love the city despite the changes.”

5. Engaging with the Community Through Tours

One of the most rewarding aspects of Kevin’s work is conducting Forgotten New York tours. These guided walks allow enthusiasts to experience the city’s history firsthand. Despite challenges posed by health issues and the pandemic, Kevin continues to engage with his audience through live presentations and events, fostering a community passionate about preserving New York’s heritage.

[25:25] Kevin shares heartfelt stories from his tours, including instances where participants formed lasting relationships, underscoring the personal impact of his work.

Notable Quote:

Kevin Walsh: “A couple of people who met during one of my Forgotten New York events got married. Yeah, it's great.”

6. Reflections and Advice

Towards the end of the conversation, Kevin offers insightful advice to his younger self, emphasizing the importance of having clear aspirations and seeking mentorship early in life. He reflects on his own journey, acknowledging areas where he felt he fell short but remains optimistic about pursuing passions regardless of setbacks.

[30:09] Kevin candidly discusses his character flaws and the lessons learned from his experiences, advocating for proactive goal-setting and open communication with mentors and parents.

Notable Quote:

Kevin Walsh: “If you aspire to more, you need to understand what you want to do at a very early age. You need to find a mentor who will take you through all this.”

7. Final Thoughts and Takeaways

As the interview concludes, Kevin emphasizes the joy he derives from his work and the importance of following one’s passions, regardless of financial rewards. He reassures listeners that personal fulfillment often outweighs monetary success, encouraging everyone to pursue what genuinely makes them happy.

[34:19]

Notable Quote:

Kevin Walsh: “If it makes you happy, do love it.”

Conclusion

This episode offers a profound exploration of New York City's hidden histories through Kevin Walsh's dedicated efforts. His narrative serves as both a love letter to the city and a call to preserve its unique architectural and cultural landmarks. Listeners are left with a deeper appreciation for the unseen elements that define New York and the importance of remembering and honoring the past amidst rapid modernization.

For those interested in delving deeper into New York’s forgotten facets, Kevin Walsh’s Forgotten New York website and books are highly recommended resources.

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[Kevin Walsh]

So we've known each other a long time, mostly on the Internet, and I've always loved the work that you do, kind of preserving memories of the old New York. How did you get into it?

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Well, Forgotten New York has many mothers and many fathers. Back in 1962. I know it makes me sound very old. I'm 67 now. I started Forgotten York when I was 40, so it's 20. It's finishing up its 25th year in existence. Well, back in 1962, I noticed that all the lampposts on my block had been taken down and replaced with brand new ones. Now, these were the old cast iron lampposts that looked ornate with a lot of iron scroll work on them. And the city got rid of those gradually in the 50s and 60s and put up modern, streamlined poles. I was fascinated by this. I didn't understand why. I was. I just was. And then they built the Verrazano Bridge across the street from me. They tore down all the houses on Fort Hamilton Parkway across the street from me. I lived at 6th Avenue and 83rd street in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. And they built the Gowanus Expressway across the street. And they tore down all the houses, they built this huge trench, and they put the Gowanus Expressway in there, and they constructed the Verrazano Bridge. And I was fascinated by all this. I watched them string the wires on the bridge. My grandmother and I would take bus rides down the Shore Road, and we would sit in one of the benches and we would watch them spinning the wires on the bridge. And my father took a lot of pictures of the trench with the dump trucks and the steam shovels in the trench. And some of that has shown up on Forgotten New York, the website. And I was on amongst the first buses to cross the verrazano Bridge in 1964. It was in November of 1964. A few years later, in 1968, my father, mother and I were on a trip. Went on a long subway ride to Jamaica, Queens, to buy a wall unit. My father was a big proponent of tape recording. And back then you had these huge units with two discs that had tape that went through these, you know, these huge tape recording machines. And that was the only way to record things back then. And he was in a club and he knew people all over the world, and he. And he exchanged tapes with them. Anyway, he wanted a big wall unit to put the books and the tape recorders and the cameras and all that in. And we went to an apartment store called Gertz on Jamaica Avenue in downtown Jamaica. And I was just there yesterday. I was on that street yesterday. And during the visit, we went into the bookstore in Gertz, and I bought. Well, I had my parents buy for me. I was. I was very little then. The first map of Brooklyn I ever had, it was a Hagstrom, and was. This was in September of 1968. And I always had a fascination with street maps. I liked the colors, I like the lettering, I liked all that. And I used to buy these, what they call them, street guides. They were. There were tiny little red books, and they had all the streets of Brooklyn and all the streets of New York City in them and where the street began, where they ended, and all the addresses on the cross streets. And I was just fascinated with this stuff. And, you know, it just. I. I held it in my mouth, in my mind for many years. And I got into. As a profession, I got into the printed word. I had just about every job there is to have with print. I've been a copywriter, a proofreader, a layout artist. I've written, I've designed layouts I've done all. An author. Yes. But at first I was a proofreader and copy editor mainly and I worked at all night type shops. So I've always been associated with the printed word. And I combined all this, all this congealed in my brain in 1998. This was a couple years after the World Wide Web as they called it, became widespread. And I was sitting in my office one day in a building that's now been knocked over, now been knocked down. Was working for a company called Publishers, Publishers Clearing House, which is a direct mail. Yeah. With the big checks and all that. I was working, I worked for them for 12 years and I had an office and I still have the key to the office even though the, the building's been knocked down. And I just sketched out in that office what I wanted Forgotten York to be, what the categories were going to be, what was going to link to what. And I then, this was in 1998. I then went with my camera all over New York City photographing hundreds of items because I wanted to launch the site the next year and I wanted to get like 25 or 30 pages on the site before I even launched it because I wanted. The most frustrating thing in the world back then was for me to go to a website that I might be interested in and I see all these under construction notices on the pages. I wanted to get a lot of content on the page first.

[Kevin Walsh]

Kids these days don't know about that. Websites used to be under construction.

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Yeah.

[Kevin Walsh]

So it seems like kind of an esoteric thing to collect pictures of kind of old New York and old signs and that kind of thing. But you have quite a big following. Does that surprise you or does that seem very obvious to you?

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I am very gratified for the following I have gotten in the early days, Forgotten York, there was about five minutes when there's a little bit of buzz around it. I was published in the New York Times, in the Daily News, I was written about in the New Yorker and I got in the New York Times article was pretty good. I, I was above the fold as they say in the, in the Times. Below the fold, on the same page were Krugman and Brooks. So I was, I was at least for one day I was up above those two guys. I, I forgot New York is back in the. The heyday of forgotten was like 2005 through 2011 or 2012 when I had like 15000 views a day, modest by a lot of, by comparison the places like Gothamist or NY1 but for they.

[Kevin Walsh]

Have Daily News, you can't, you can't compare yourself to that. It's, you know, you have, I think your following is very, very dedicated to the same kind of point of view as you, which is preserving something that is no longer there.

[Oracle Representative]

Yeah, but I also my, my interest in doing the site and doing the book and I was very happy to do as a sidetrack, I, I didn't have to do the usual dog and pony show bringing the book around to several publishers. I was contacted by a guy named Matthew Benjamin at HarperCollins and he asked me if I wanted to do the book. And I thought about it for three seconds and I said yes, I will.

[Kevin Walsh]

Like, okay, fine.

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But my motive is in writing, is in writing a guide to New York or writing a book about New York that doesn't talk about what the other guidebooks talk about. They'll, they'll talk about the most obvious things to see and do and they'll talk about the, the restaurants and Broadway and entertainment and. Yeah, that all has a place in the world and it's well covered. I wanted to talk about New York City's infrastructure, which encompasses the lampposts, the faded signs in the buildings, the mailboxes, the, the stoplights. I wanted to do a deep dive into that. And along the way, while I'm researching all this, you know, you hit upon history, you hit upon personalities, you hit upon a lot of other things. So it sort of serves as a sort of gateway to a New York City that a lot of people don't know about or have forgotten about, to use the word forgotten again.

[Kevin Walsh]

Do you miss the old New York or do you just think New York is always moving forward and what are you going to do?

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Well, I don't like when buildings I like are torn down to make way for new buildings that are uglier. You know, a lot of people think I'm this old fashioned guy that doesn't like anything new.

[Kevin Walsh]

I've been, I don't think that of you. I think actually you're very. No, but I think you're very not bitter about how New York changes. I think you're very realistic. I think I'm more probably more bitter about.

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Okay, well, you, you left the city to go to Florida.

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Yes.

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No, I like some new architecture, especially the residential buildings with the huge square windows that you get plenty of light in the building. The problem is, I don't know if you, if you can buy a curtain that big.

[Kevin Walsh]

You know, I don't know, they make custom ones Kevin. Okay, so go ahead. So you're. So. You understand that New York changes and that's just how it is, right?

[Oracle Representative]

Yeah, I. I talk about what I often. I see a new. A new building. I talk about what was. What was there before. There's a website now called. There's a website for everything. There's a website now called 1940s NYC in which they take all the tax photos that were taken.

[Kevin Walsh]

I love that. Oh, yeah. I looked up everywhere I've lived. I really enjoy that website. You could see.

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Yeah, I enjoy that.

[Kevin Walsh]

You can see what New York buildings look like in the 1940s.

[Oracle Representative]

And what they do is they. They put links on a map of New York. Now, I used to go into the. We're gonna get into the weeds first for five seconds here. I used to go into this New York City Municipal Archive site, and they had all the pictures there. A lot of the sites that have followed me, you know, and I'm not saying they. They were imitative of me. I wouldn't. I would not say that. All I'll say is that they came after me. But a lot of them, you know, state plainly that their purpose and their raisin tetra is to promote New York City. Right. That is not what I do with forgotten New York. I will. I will show things I don't like and talk about that. Yeah, I'm not here to promote. I'm not here as a civic, you know, a civic booster or anything like that. I do forgotten New York. Why do I do it partially? I was born here in New York, and I lived. I've lived here for 67 years.

[Kevin Walsh]

And you love that crazy place. You do. It shows.

[Oracle Representative]

I enjoy its architecture, I enjoy its infrastructure. There are a lot of things I don't like about it that we don't have to talk about today, but I can tell you very honestly, if I was born in Chicago, I was born in Cincinnati, I was born in Minneapolis, you'd have forgotten Chicago, forgotten Cincinnati, forgotten Indianapolis. I would probably be doing this wherever I was born and wherever I live if I move down to Florida. Where are you in Florida, by the way?

[Kevin Walsh]

South Florida.

[Oracle Representative]

Miami area.

[Kevin Walsh]

Miami area, Yeah. I don't. I don't say exactly for, you know, there's a lot of crazy people.

[Oracle Representative]

My. My friend Linda, who worked. Worked with me for many years at publishing scoring house, moved down to Stuart, which is near port.

[Kevin Walsh]

I like Stuart a lot. Yeah. Very nice town. Has a lot of nice historical stuff in Stuart.

[Oracle Representative]

One of these. One of these days I'll get Down to Florida. You know, I make enough to travel again. So the problem is I don't have enough time now that I'm busy all week.

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I think forgotten Florida is the natural next step.

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We got started off forgotten Boston a while ago, but I couldn't get up there often enough.

[Kevin Walsh]

And so what do you worry about?

[Oracle Representative]

Well, I'm going to sound very selfish here. My, mostly what I worry about are my, is my money and my health. I went through a 10 year period in which I did not work steadily. Now I had several very interesting part time and freelance jobs. I worked for Tiffany and I worked for Pearson Publishing and these were all very fulfilling. And you know, despite the horror stories that have come out about Tiffany, my, my experience there was nothing but positive. But I, you know, when I wasn't working during that time, I, I worry about my money. You know, it was, was decreasing. Now that I'm 67, I worry more about the health problems that are going to crop up. In recent years I've had, I've had sciatica, I've had a hernia operation and my back aches. I went, I went five miles yesterday. I walked in Jamaica and by the end of the day my back was killing me. And you know, when it does that I worry about getting spas, spasms and we won't go into the medicals here.

[Kevin Walsh]

But no, but those are, you know, those are very reasonable things to worry about. I don't think that there's anything crazy about that.

[Oracle Representative]

I think no, I, I might have to see a chiropractor in order to get back to where I was because I used to be able to do 10 to 15 mile walks in one day. And I have friends that think nothing and they're my age, they think nothing of 25 to 30 miles per day. And I wish I could get to that level. I really do.

[Kevin Walsh]

Yeah. And you do the Forgotten New York tours or do you, do you still do those?

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Well, here's the thing about Forgotten New York tours. You know, usually I treasure my time by myself but the most rewarding experience I've had doing Forgotten New York and the book and all that over the years has been the response I get on the tours because the tours I get like 30 to 40 people who are really into what I, and you know, it's, it's so rewarding to actually be with them. And after the, after the tour is over and we used to do in the early days when I was younger we used to do five to seven hour marathon tours and you Know, if I was to return to them, I would really cut it down to two hours or so.

[Kevin Walsh]

Yeah, that's seven hours. I like, I have a hard time imagining signing up for anything for seven hours. I know, but they have to really love it.

[Oracle Representative]

I advertise them at like three hours. But, you know, sometimes you just get carried away. One day we walk all the way up Riverside Drive, all the way from 72nd street to 125th street, and of course I'm stopping every two minutes to talk about something. So the whole thing took like five and a half hours. But that's the most rewarding thing about forgotten New York. And another rewarding thing about forgotten New York. I won't name the couple, but a couple of people who met during one of my forgotten New York events got married.

[Kevin Walsh]

Oh, that's so good.

[Oracle Representative]

Yeah, it's great.

[Kevin Walsh]

You should definitely have more. I think we need more marriages.

[Oracle Representative]

I stopped doing them in at the end of the 2019 season. We were going to do them in 2020, but then Covid happened and after that my, my hernia and my sciatica and all that. And the, the organization I'm with, Greater Astoria Historical Society, is cautioned against doing the tourism at my older age because of insurance issues. People fall down, they want to sue, you know, so, but you know, I, I, I, I don't rule them out. I don't say never. I do live events though. I do appear in, in person for my 25th anniversary tour last year I, I went to Brooklyn, the Bronx, a couple locations, Queens, Staten Island. Well, we haven't done Staten island yet. We'll do it. But I did a live presentation on PowerPoint.

[Kevin Walsh]

Great.

[Oracle Representative]

And that way people can see me and talk to me and you know, that's a big part of this whole thing, for sure.

[Kevin Walsh]

Yeah.

[Oracle Representative]

People want to commune, they want to get together with each other.

[Kevin Walsh]

Absolutely. We're going to take a quick break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz show.

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Well and I'm gonna be a little negative about myself here. One of my character flaws is that I didn't have a dream when I was 16 or a teenager. I would say that the, the most important thing you need to have when you're 16 is you need to know or you need to have a good idea of what you want to be and what you want to do with your life if you're going to have, if you're going to make a lot of money or be a big success. Now me, all I wanted to do was be able to support myself. And that was the only dream I had. But if you aspire to more than that, you need to understand what you want to do at a very early age. And you need to find a mentor who will take you through all this. Either it's at school you find a teacher you like or a mentor. You have to talk about it with your parents, you have to discuss it with them. And I never, I never did all that. I, it didn't occur to me. I never thought it was important. And my parents, God bless them, they didn't bring it up either. And my mother died at an early age. I really regret this because we never had a one on one conversation as adults. She died when I was 16. And my father, you know, my father was from a different, different country and he was much older than me. He came from Newfoundland, Canada. Well, wasn't part of Canada back then when he was born. In fact, he left Newfoundland rather than be Canadian. He wanted to be an American, but they never discussed it with me and I regret that eternally. So basically, if you want to be a big success in life, concentrate on it from very early age, as early as 15 or 16. You know, Carol, there's a very famous picture of Bill Clinton in 1962 when he met John F. Kennedy.

[Kevin Walsh]

Yeah.

[Oracle Representative]

And from that time on, Bill Clinton knew he wanted to be the President of the United States. And you know what happened? He did.

[Kevin Walsh]

But here's, here's my just minor rebuttal to that. First of all, when I was 16, I didn't know anything. And I had told my parents I wanted to be a writer. And they were, you know, they were from the former Soviet Union and they said, don't be silly, nobody does that. So you know, that, that derailed me for a little while from, from the dream. But I just think like, look, obviously there's 16 year olds who, who know what they want to do and a Bill Clinton who said, I'm going to be President and then went on to be President. We Never hear about all the guys who said, or girls who said, I'm going to be president and then didn't become president. You know, so I would just say, go, Go easier on yourself because you did have a dream. You just got to it a little bit later. You, you got to it at 40, and that's fine. And the thing about your parents talking to you about it, I, I talk about that on the show a lot because I think a lot of people don't verbalize to their kids things that I think should be verbalized. You know, what your dream is and how to pursue it should be among the things we talk to our kids about.

[Oracle Representative]

Very good.

[Kevin Walsh]

You're like, fine. You've convinced me.

[Oracle Representative]

Well, there's, there's pros and cons about it. You know, I, I, I, I do. You know, I, I read biographies for a living. You know, I work for Marcus or Markey. I never know how they pronounce it. Markey or Marcus, who's who. I read a lot of biographies of people, and that's what I, what I see a great deal of. They knew what they wanted from a very early age. Now I see what they do, and I, most of it, I say to myself, why on earth would you want to do that?

[Kevin Walsh]

Right. Of course.

[Oracle Representative]

Yes. Right.

[Kevin Walsh]

A lot of the dreams don't even make sense.

[Oracle Representative]

Yeah.

[Kevin Walsh]

Well, I've loved this conversation. I love the work you do at Forgotten New York. It's just really wonderful. And I advise everybody to go check it out. Buy the books, check out the website, leave us here with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.

[Oracle Representative]

Next time you're worried about something, next time you're laying in bed at night and you, you don't know what's going on, you're worried about something. Remember, you were born in the union. Well, in your case, Carolyn got here.

[Kevin Walsh]

As fast as I could. Yeah.

[Oracle Representative]

In your case, you arrived in the United States of America, you know, and along that comes everything that comes with it.

[Kevin Walsh]

Yeah.

[Oracle Representative]

Enjoy your opportunities and enjoy the things that interest you the most. And that's what I've done. Yeah. I've never made a lot of money doing what I do. I'm, you know, printing. The, the print world doesn't pay a whole lot.

[Kevin Walsh]

No, it doesn't.

[Oracle Representative]

You know, what, when, when, when, when a mistake is made, the, the copy editor and the proofreader is on the firing line, you know, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna harp on that, but do what you enjoy doing, the most. And that's what I enjoy doing. You know, I enjoy the print world. I enjoy the mailboxes and the lampposts in the street. If it makes you happy, do love it.

[Kevin Walsh]

Here's Kevin Walsh. His website is Forgotten New York. Check out his two books, Forgotten New York and Forgotten Queens. Thanks so much, Kevin.

[Oracle Representative]

Carol, it's been a pleasure. And let's do this again. Maybe my 30th anniversary here. Years. Thank you.

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