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Matt Whitlock
Hi and welcome back to the Carol Markov show on iheartradio. Wishbone Kitchen is an Instagram account I enjoy. She's a young private chef and she posts about her morning diet Coke habit and the amazing stuff that she cooks for her barely well off clients. She has a cookbook coming out too. I plan to buy it. She's interesting. I like it. But she had this to say recently on the Better Home and Gardens page.
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Carol Markowitz
And I want to talk about it.
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Matt Whitlock
Let's roll that clip.
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Carol Markowitz
That's the beef I have with, like, trad wife content. I guess I feel like homemaking for me personally is just like, within me. Like, I feel this urge to nest at all times. And I'm, you know, not preparing for a baby. I'm not nesting for a man. I'm not nesting for a family. I'm doing it for myself. And so it's so interesting that it's always through the lens of I'm doing this for my husband. And like, that makes me feel icky because I'm like, well, if you're, if you're not doing it for yourself, you shouldn't just do it for your husband. Like, that's not right. So I like to approach hosting, homemaking, home cooking with a lens of like, I'm doing this because I enjoy it. It makes me happy, and this is how I like to spend my time and period.
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Matt Whitlock
End of discussion. I know it shouldn't bother me, but this whole the way I do it is the right way thing is annoying, especially when we're talking about something like keeping house, something our grandmothers and great grandmothers and so on did as a matter of course. They didn't give it a name or make it part of their personality. It makes everyone imagine a much more difficult life than most people have. Once you make a thing out of something, it's hard to make it go back to just being a part of life again. I really like this woman's work. But this whole I don't trad wife like, you guys do it for your husband and kids. I do it for myself. It rubs me the wrong way. You can cook for yourself, you can cook for friends, as she often does. And sure, it's okay to cook for your husband and kids. And I get that part of speaking in public is the ability to do so with some degree of authority. And of course, all of us, including myself, who give public comment have to be saying some version of my way is best. But I resent this constant drumbeat of anti marriage and family rhetoric. And that's what I think this is a part of. I think about myself hearing this kind of thing in my 20s and definitely believing that marriage and children would be drudgery. And I was wrong. And the truth is I learned to cook after I started dating my husband and it's still something I enjoy doing so much. Could I have done it before him? Of course. Maybe I should have done it for myself too. And it's fine that she is, but it's very enjoyable to do it for your family. The woman at this account, she's quite young and I would bet she will love cooking for a family, and I hope she gets the opportunity to do that and show her followers how that's done. And it won't always be eating caviar on potato chips as she's doing in this clip. And it won't always be Instagramable or have a nice aesthetic, but it will still be fulfilling and can still make you happy. Thanks for listening. Coming up, my interview with Matt Whitlock. But first, Israel is still under attack. Missile fire has resumed from the Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas enemies seeking Israel's destruction. Here in America, we cannot imagine living under constant threat of terrorism and rocket attacks. This is the reality in Israel. Parents taking their children to school, falling to the ground to lay on top of their small children, trying to comfort them as sirens blare. The next attack against Israel is happening now with little time to prepare, so we must act now. That's why I'm partnering with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews to help provide life saving aid and security essentials. Your urgently needed gift today will help provide security essentials like bomb shelters, flak jackets and bulletproof vests for first responders, our armored security vehicles, ambulances and more. Join me in standing with Israel. Call to make your gift at 888-488 IFCJ. That's 888-488-4325.
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Carol Markowitz
Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on iheartradio. My guest today is Matt Whitlock. Matt is a Republican strategist and host of the 10 Minute Drill podcast. So nice to have you on, Matt.
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Ryan Reynolds
It is such an honor I have told you this, but I have been a fan of yours for a very, very long time. Everything from what you wrote about COVID to what you write about parenting now. This is so great. So thank you for having me.
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Carol Markowitz
Thank you so much. The feeling is very mutual. I always found you to be very, very smart and interesting on the old Twitter platform.
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Ryan Reynolds
Very kind.
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Carol Markowitz
We call X Now, how did you get into this world? How did you become a Republican strategist?
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Ryan Reynolds
It's so funny you asked that. So I actually had intended always on going to law school. I just felt like my. My dad's a lawyer. I thought, you know, that's the lane for me. I love to argue with people, but actually, I was a missionary in Japan in my college years, and I found that arguing with people didn't appeal to me as much. And I don't know if that's what turned me or I just enjoyed communications. But I found that I loved talking to people and figuring out how to explain complex concepts. In that case, it was like, about religion to people who had a different religious background. But I think that sort of started me thinking about it. And then I got home. I actually moved out to Washington with the intention of starting law school. But while I was doing my applications, I had a friend in Senator Mike Lee's office, and they needed a driver for the senator for just the summer months. And I thought, I'm fresh out of college. That would be a really fun experience to just drive a senator around, see how the process works. And I ended up having a blast. He was such a great boss. I had so much fun with him. But I also got to play a role in the writing. And after a little bit of time, I realized speaking speech writing was a lot of fun. So I started writing his speeches, and he let me move into doing that full time, which was a blast. And that led me into a very different path than I had intended, but one that was really enjoyable. You know, it's one of those things, you just never know where life's going to take you. And now, gosh, 13 years later, I've been doing, you know, speech writing. And then I was a press secretary. I worked in corporate communications. And now I get to do kind of a general grad bag of everything, which is so much fun. But I did not intend that. When I first moved to Washington back in 2012, was it like you realized.
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Carol Markowitz
You could argue without the law degree.
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Matt Whitlock
And took off from there?
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Ryan Reynolds
And I think that, like, there's more fun outside of the parameters of law when you get into that. You know, for one, there's so much reading involved. But also I just really enjoyed the creative side of debating and trying to win people over to your side using sort of new creative, different storytelling measures, things like that. It was just so much more fun outside of that realm. And it's funny, the person who talked me out of going to law school, the Most was Senator Lee, who's literally a constitutional scholar and United States senator. But he said, you know, if you don't want to practice law, you shouldn't do it. And you're a creative, so you should do something that allows you to sort of stretch your legs a little bit more. And I think that really helped me decide, you know, this was a better path to try and chase.
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Carol Markowitz
What was living in Japan like?
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Ryan Reynolds
Amazing. Honestly, Japan is incredible. I feel like everyone, if you have an opportunity to go spend a week in one place in the world, go check out Japan and spend a day or two in Tokyo or Kyoto or the high tourist places, but also spend some time in the rural country. I was up in Sendai, way up north, which is very rural, but so beautiful. The best people in the world. I actually served in a place that later had the massive tsunamis in 2011, and it was crazy to see that happen in places that I knew, but also how quickly they rebuilt and how fast they kind of jumped into action. And that's what I really came to love so much about the Japanese people is that they're so resilient and focused. I really loved my time there. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the.
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Carol Markowitz
How long were you there?
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Ryan Reynolds
Two years.
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Carol Markowitz
Wow.
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Ryan Reynolds
I was there for two years, which, if you're learning a language like Japanese, is like, you want all that time. And we spent three months at a training facility where they work on things like both, you know, how to become a missionary, but also how to learn the language. But three months is not close to getting you ready to speak Japanese. But once you're there and you're surrounded by people, it's, you know, speak or don't talk to anybody and don't figure out how to feed yourself. So being there was incredibly helpful to learning the language, learning to love the culture. Culture, the food, everything. It just is the best. I had such a great time.
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Carol Markowitz
What would have been plan B if you didn't go into politics or law?
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Ryan Reynolds
That's such a good question. I think about that sometimes. I. I mean, everyone always, like, falls back on things like sports because that's what their dream was when they were a kid. I played high school baseball, and I loved it.
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Carol Markowitz
We dream big here. Anything you want, you know.
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Ryan Reynolds
Well, it's funny, like, as if. As if, like, professional baseball had really been a possibility. But the thing that turned me off to it the most was when I got college and all my friends who were on the team had to, like, wake up at 5am every day. And like I was having way too much fun in college to like wake up at 5am for baseball practice. So like had they wanted me, I.
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Carol Markowitz
Don'T want this MLB career. You guys wake up way too early.
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Ryan Reynolds
I don't want that anyways. Even if it wasn't, you know, even if it was going to work out. Not for me, no. But so I don't know. I love sports. I love. I actually was an English major. I really loved reading and writing and composition. So I could see myself maybe wanting to teach just because I love delving into literature and things like that. I kind of nerd out over like the American classics so I could see that being an angle that would be interesting. I had really amazing teachers in high school, particularly in English and lit that made me passionate about this stuff. And so I think that's an area that I would have maybe spent some time in. But it's really hard to imagine like seeing what I do now and then thinking of me like in a classroom and like you know, telling kids about, you know, Dickens and Steinbeck and you know, it's just such a different world. But it is the other thing that I think I'm probably most passionate about outside of politics.
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Carol Markowitz
What do you think people misunderstand about the political world and how things actually work on the inside?
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Ryan Reynolds
I love that question because I think in the last like 10, 15 years we've had a devolution of everyone thinking politics is the West Wing, then thinking it was House of Cards and landing on the resolution that really is veep. And veep is so much closer to the actual experience. I moved to D.C. in part, you know, with this dream. Cuz I had watched the West Wing and I really loved it and I thought I could change the world. When I have to tell you, like I had experiences in the Senate both for Senator Lee, but also in my time with Senator Hatch that did feel like the West Wing. Like we were doing huge things, seeing really important things happen and I loved that. But so much more of the day to day of working in politics really is veep. I think of the scenes of the aide whispering in her ear who everybody is and what to say and not say. I spent so much time doing that and a photo line trying to tell the Senator, you know, don't say, say this to this person or watch out for this issue with that person and that, you know, the, the comedic moments really are so much more what your day to day life is about than the glamorous, you know, heroic moments with triumphant music playing from the West Wing.
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Carol Markowitz
As I get older, though, I, like, wish I had somebody whispering in my ear, like, who everybody is.
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Ryan Reynolds
Oh, my gosh.
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Carol Markowitz
And like, who I shouldn't say certain things to. That would be very convenient, actually, all the time. This is a, like a profession that I don't think exists, but, like, for regular people.
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Ryan Reynolds
Yeah. Honestly, I think that especially now, I'm like, I'm not as old as I feel, but I still am, like, forgetting names of people that I should know because, like, you have little kids and you don't get enough sleep and you start forgetting really easy things. Having just like, someone on your shoulder, like, hey, don't say that to this person. Would be awesome. I do think that all the time.
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Carol Markowitz
And you meet people all the time. I like, you know, when I moved to Florida and I met like a whole new world, world of people. One time I forgot somebody's name and her husband actually said to me something really kind. And it was just like, you know, you moved here, you met like a thousand new people. Like, we only met, like one person you like, you know, so it was like, you know, it's not really fair and that kind of thing. So.
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Ryan Reynolds
So I'm glad they gave you some grace on that.
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Carol Markowitz
Yes, that I always give grace when people remember my name and that kind of thing.
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Ryan Reynolds
But yeah, they should, they should.
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Carol Markowitz
But Billion dollar profession, you send people out to just walk alongside me and, you know, I would pay something for that.
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Ryan Reynolds
Yes, absolutely.
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Carol Markowitz
So how did you start? What made you start? The 10 Minute Drill Podcast.
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Ryan Reynolds
So in this last election, I had so many conversations, particularly with people outside of Washington, asking just like, what's going on? What is this story? Particularly family members who would see things in media and say, that sounds crazy. And I would, in a two minute conversation, explain the context and they'd say, oh, that makes so much sense. And so my thought was it would be great if we had just one more chance to cut through the noise and help people sort of really be able to parse what is overblown. Because one thing about the Trump years is you do have a lot of media really eager to jump in and report things, sometimes without getting all the facts. And I think that one thing that is helpful for people to know is what's normal versus what's not. And also sometimes, like, what happens all the time, that is being treated as some crazy incident. So that's a part of what really made me want to do this. Like, I had a family member ask, you know, they had heard a story that President Trump still had kids in cages four years after he was in the White House. And like I explained, you know, that doesn't make a lot of sense, but I can see where the sort of media would want to lead you that way. And so that was at Mar a.
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Carol Markowitz
Lago or exactly like what, you know.
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Ryan Reynolds
Give me some more background about that basement. Exactly. So there are just so many absurd things. But I also feel like the media has the capability to really work minds. And it's so interesting how the conversation in the last 10 years has been, you know, more concerned about, like, conservative family members being warped. But the number of. I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area, the number of friends of mine who have just totally warped views of the reality of politics because of what media has really dug into these last few years has been pretty shocking. I have really smart, reasonable friends who have been sort of led into conspiracy theories on things that I am like, wait a sec, that's insane and totally not true. And so being able to just spend a few minutes, you can't, you know, whack every mole, but being able to say, here's a real thing and here's a fake thing in 10 minutes or less, that's our. That's my goal with it is just to make a sort of quick rundown of what's going on and why something you might have heard about is real or not.
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Carol Markowitz
How do you choose which story to focus on?
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Ryan Reynolds
I have to tell you, so much of it has to do with, like, the things that I am getting to engage with on a daily basis. I get to spend a lot of time with, you know, staffers on Capitol, Capitol Hill, with members with friends working in the administration who are trying to navigate this media landscape and running into these landmines of things getting misreported, misrepresented. So that's a big part of it is working with my own network about what's going on and what needs to be explained a little bit better. But a lot of it, too, is just the things that I follow and track in media and see, okay, this is getting a lot of attention, but this angle to it. For example, you know, when we talk about protests at town halls, one thing that hasn't gotten enough attention across media is the organization behind that and the dark money that's funding so much of this. So, like, if we can shine a light on that and sort of show the threads and, you know, follow the money, things like that, those are things that, like, I see so much in my feed that I'm like, okay, I could spend a few minutes talking about.
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Carol Markowitz
We're gonna take a quick break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz show.
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Ryan Seacrest
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Marlon Brando
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Carol Markowitz
What do you worry about?
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Ryan Reynolds
I do worry, and this is gonna sound ironic from a like partisan political operative, but I do worry about division because I grew up in the era of, you know, particularly after 9 11, for example. I remember I didn't have a lot of Republican friends growing up. President Bush was not popular, you know, among my friends in high school, things like that. But after 9 11, seeing people rally around the flag and feel really positive about our country and the need to stand up for ourselves, it's so interesting that when look at events in the last 10, 15 years, we don't seem to have that same unifying energy that sort of brings us all together. We used to sort of have a code that things division could only go so far. And I just worry that particularly you know, from the Obama years when we spent a lot of time and I'm trying not to dive too far into politics because I think one thing that's really fun and fresh about your show is it's not hyper partisan. But it felt like politics shifted from we disagree about ideas to if you disagree with me, you're trying to shove granny off a cliff. And I don't know that we've ever come back from that. And I do think for a long time we tried to sort of meander our way back to it. You know, a Mitt Romney presidential candidate represented this idea that we could go back to that where we were super respectful of each other. But I think that what happened to Mitt Romney was they still called him Hitler and they talked about how terrible of a person he was, even though he was such a good guy, you.
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Carol Markowitz
Know, such a good guy.
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Ryan Reynolds
And so that radicalized so many people to the point where they're saying okay, we need a Donald Trump type person. And I think that there's reason for that, you know, and I think it makes a lot of sense. Know how we ever go back to where MSNBC segments at night are not calling us all murderers and getting half the country to think that we're so much more divided. Because if you look in the halls of Congress, Republicans and Democrats actually get along a lot better than you would think. How do we spread that and actually show that people are not as sort of hateful towards each other as a lot of the political discourse seems to feel.
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Carol Markowitz
Right. I think when you're in the world you get along far better.
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Ryan Reynolds
100%.
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Carol Markowitz
People on the opposite side, no question. It's, it's actually surprising to people that like activists on both sides would get along well or.
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Adam Carolla
Absolutely.
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Carol Markowitz
Or politicians or any of that. But I also, I think about like if the Internet was what it is today on 9 11, I think it would have been not quite the.
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Ryan Reynolds
I think you're exactly right.
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Carol Markowitz
Post 911 experience. I don't know that we would have rallied around the flag quite quite like we did.
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Ryan Reynolds
Maybe something exactly right. I think social media and the media have incentivized so much outrage and division that like that, you know, that has so much to do with what's shifted and changed us and this sort of rapid dopamine hit that comes from dunking on somebody else, whatever. I think that like the 911 reaction would have been completely different. The conspiracy theories that we've seen pop up online later would have been immediate. We wouldn't have had the sort of rally around the flag that we had. So I do think that you're absolutely right. That's a huge part of that.
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Carol Markowitz
There were conspiracy theories even back then, of course, but they were spread in like books. You had to read a book about it, you know, or the earliest blondes. Right. There were some, but it just wasn't quite what it is now. Which is somebody could say something crazy on X and get, you know, a million shares or whatever.
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Ryan Reynolds
Absolutely, absolutely.
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Carol Markowitz
It spreads a lot faster now.
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Ryan Reynolds
Well, and it's so hard. I mean there's the, the saying that what is it? A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. With social media and the media it's even so faster that being able to sort of put the toothpaste back in the tube is now almost impossible. You know, and so that's, that's I think the challenge.
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Matt Whitlock
Yeah.
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Carol Markowitz
What advice would you give your 16 year old self? What does 16 year old Matt need to know?
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Ryan Reynolds
That's such a good question. Because I feel like sometimes I think, you know, maybe I shouldn't have been as stressed in high school about things like, you know, grades and what I was studying and things like that. But I also think that stress was really important because I needed to get the education I got, I needed to get into a good college and things like that. But I, I think when we look back on those formative years and think about the things we learned that don't matter now, for example, trigonometry, whatever. When's the last time I used that? It wasn't about learning trigonometry, it was about learning how to learn and it was about learning how your mind develops. So I think that I would tell my 16 year old self, keep your head down, keep working through it, because all of these things will play a role at some point in your life, even if it's just conditioning your mind to be able to sort of do things later that are hard or helping you think outside the box. I think I would pro. That's such weird advice. But just, you know, stay the course and remember that all these things have some value, all of these experiences have some value for you that you're going to lean on at some point in your life. Because I think that it's so easy to think back on those formative years again, as I was saying, and think of parts that were less relevant or that you were more worried about than you should have been or more stressed about. But all those are building blocks, right? All those are a part of our development. And I think that that really is so important. And so I'm grateful for the hard times when I was a teenager, but also the really good times that helped me sort of learn and grow and learn how to build relationships and all of that.
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Carol Markowitz
But yeah, you're never going to use trigonometry, kids.
- [29:20]
Matt Whitlock
Never.
- [29:21]
Ryan Reynolds
No, no.
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Carol Markowitz
Actually I made myself figure out a percentage today, even though I could have just googled what is this percentage, which is the other thing. It's like you have all this information and access to information, but you should still exercise your brain so that you can read that. That person walking around with you, telling you the names of everybody that you already know.
- [29:40]
Ryan Reynolds
Exactly.
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Carol Markowitz
It's all, it's all one thing. Like, yeah, you might never use trigonometry, but there is some important stuff you pick up along the way.
- [29:47]
Ryan Reynolds
Stretch your brain, Stretch your brain a little bit. I think that's valuable. When I took the lsat, for example, which again, I didn't end up, you know, needing it and I didn't end up going to law school, but there are exercises that stretch your mind. And I was like, this is insane. I've never thought this way But I'm so glad that I'm learning how to do this. And I do feel like I should clarify. I never took trigonometry. I think I stopped math. I think I stopped math, like algebra 2. Just trying to think of smart words.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah, I took the lsat. I did pretty well. I like puzzles. You know, all of that was. Was okay. But, yeah, I'm not a. I'm even, like, today, I count on my fingers like, I am not a math. Math.
- [30:27]
Ryan Reynolds
Oh, my gosh. My wife makes fun of me. I count on my fingers when I'm, like, doing like. Like, you know, 10, 20, 30, 15, 30, 45, 60. But she thinks I'm counting, like, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Like, I'm a. I'm like, no, these are big numbers. These are, like giant times tables. This is smart, but it doesn't look smart. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
- [30:44]
Carol Markowitz
Right. I kind of wish I didn't count the little numbers, too.
- [30:49]
Ryan Reynolds
No judgment here.
- [30:50]
Carol Markowitz
Whatever. I'm a words person. I'm not a number person. You know, that's a very different mindset. So.
- [30:57]
Ryan Reynolds
Yes, no question.
- [30:58]
Carol Markowitz
All right, well, this was so much fun. End us here with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
- [31:06]
Ryan Reynolds
My best tip for how you can improve your lives is figure out how to shut out the noise in certain moments, figure out how to unplug from things, figure out how to put politics away, turn off Twitter, whatever, for certain amounts of time so that you can actually enjoy other things. I find that I enjoy the news and politics so much more when I've taken some time away from it so I can come back with fresh eyes. It's hard. It's hard, honestly, especially in these Trump years when there's so much news all the time. He's doing so many things. The media is up in arms all the time. But I remember when I got married, I went on, like, in 2018, I went on my honeymoon and, like, put my phone away, and I thought, my gosh, it's the early Trump years. I'm a Senate communications director. I'm gonna miss so many things. I missed a million things. But then there were a million more things that came, so it didn't matter, you know, so unpleasant. Unplug. You're not going to miss anything that you can't, you know, pick back up on when you need to. But it makes it so much better to enjoy your family, your life, and other things and then come back to it with fresh eyes.
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Carol Markowitz
I love that I unplug for, like, My vacations with my family and I take exercise on my phone. And yeah, you miss a news cycle and you sometimes come back and you're like, wait, Nikki Haley said this is crazy. You know, like, wait, what?
- [32:17]
Ryan Reynolds
Yes.
- [32:19]
Carol Markowitz
So what? You missed it. It's gone.
- [32:21]
Ryan Reynolds
A new thing will fill its space within 10, 10 seconds exactly.
- [32:25]
Carol Markowitz
You got the time with your family and that you can never get back. Thank you so much, Matt. He is the host of the 10 Minute Drill podcast. Check it out. Matt Whitlock, thank you so much for coming on.
- [32:34]
Ryan Reynolds
Thank you. Really appreciate it.
- [32:36]
Matt Whitlock
Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Markowitz Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
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