Normally Podcast: Biden's Health and the Media's Blind Spot

Summary

Summary of "Normally Podcast: Biden's Health and the Media's Blind Spot"

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
• Host/Authors: Mary Kathryn Ham and Carol Markowitz (Normally Podcast)
• Publisher: iHeartPodcasts
• Release Date: May 22, 2025
• Description: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics, and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, they guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with entertaining conversations and opinions.

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1. Introduction to Biden's Health Concerns

Time Stamp: 02:36 – 04:13

Mary Kathryn Ham and Carol Markowitz open the discussion by addressing the ongoing concerns regarding President Joe Biden's health. They delve into allegations of Biden being "sick and old," "infirm," "losing his mind," and having "cancer."

• Mary Kathryn Ham: Expresses frustration over media narratives portraying Biden negatively, highlighting the perception that "Biden is old and shouldn't run."

• Carol Markowitz: Points out the shift in liberal media acknowledging Biden's age, suggesting that "Biden's age wasn't a cover-up, it was observable fact."

2. Media Complicity and Cover-Up Allegations

Time Stamp: 04:13 – 09:44

The conversation transitions to the role of the media in possibly covering up or downplaying Biden's health issues.

• Mary Kathryn Ham: Criticizes the media for ignoring observable facts about Biden's health, questioning their intelligence: "If it was observable fact, why are you so dumb?"

• Carol Markowitz: Highlights that a minority ("the 20% who didn't think that Biden was too old to run") are in influential media positions, posing a significant issue.

The hosts reference an article from The Atlantic and discuss skepticism towards media narratives, suggesting a lack of transparency and possible misinformation.

3. Analysis of Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson's Book "Original Sin"

Time Stamp: 04:25 – 09:21

Mary Kathryn Ham reviews the book "Original Sin" by CNN host Jake Tapper and Axios's Alex Thompson, which scrutinizes Biden's career and health.

• Mary Kathryn Ham: Describes the book's portrayal of Biden as "frail, prideful, and self-deluded," emphasizing the book as an "after-action report" of Biden's political missteps.

• Carol Markowitz: Comments on the overplayed jokes about Biden's frailty, comparing them to the "Weekend at Burns" gag.

The discussion includes a critique of Mark Leibovich's tone in The Atlantic, suggesting it undermines his credibility despite his critical stance on Biden.

4. Media's Response and Internal Criticism

Time Stamp: 08:31 – 10:00

The hosts examine a clip featuring Alex Thompson discussing media complicity in covering up Biden's health issues.

• Alex Thompson (Clip at 08:54): States, "The media deserves some blame, too," indicating that media outlets were not skeptical enough and allowed Biden's narrative to persist.

• Mary Kathryn Ham: Agrees, asserting that the media is "willing to do the lying for the other side."

Carol Markowitz raises concerns about the double standards in media coverage, questioning why conservative media can critique liberal narratives while the reverse is not similarly handled.

5. Demographic Shifts and Political Repercussions

Time Stamp: 10:23 – 12:29

Mary Kathryn Ham introduces a study from Catalyst, analyzed by Amy Walter in the Cook Political Report, highlighting significant demographic shifts in the 2024 election cycle.

• Highlights of the Study:

  • The Obama coalition transforming into the Trump coalition.
  • Men of color and younger voters, especially voters of color, shifting towards Republicans.
  • Women, including Latino women, moving away from Democratic support.
  • New voters being the "least Democratic ever."

• Mary Kathryn Ham: Suggests that these shifts signal a "cosmic pain" within the Democratic Party and calls for congressional hearings and accountability, stating, "People should never work again in politics or public service because of what they perpetrated in the Biden White House."

6. Immigration Policy and Party Inconsistencies

Time Stamp: 12:29 – 13:09

The discussion briefly touches on the Democratic Party's stance on immigration, highlighting perceived inconsistencies.

• Carol Markowitz: Notes that despite losing ground on immigration issues, Democrats continue to defend illegal immigration, questioning the party's commitment to this policy area.

7. Transgender Activism and Supreme Court Decisions

Time Stamp: 16:24 – 22:57

Mary Kathryn Ham and Carol Markowitz delve into recent transgender activism stories, particularly focusing on Laurel Libby's case in Maine and subsequent legal battles.

• Laurel Libby Case:

  • Laurel Libby, a state representative, was censured for attempting to include transgender athletes in women's sports.
  • The Supreme Court ruled 7-2 in favor of Libby, reinstating her ability to speak and vote.

• Carol Markowitz: Criticizes the dissenting opinions of Justices Jackson and Sotomayor, highlighting perceived biases against transgender rights.

• Mary Kathryn Ham: Links the case to broader issues of representation and freedom of speech, emphasizing the double standards in how the left and right handle such controversies.

• Additional Case: Loudoun County schools' investigation into a transgender student's actions in a male locker room, resulting in heightened tensions and debates over privacy and safety.

8. Colorado's Custody Rules and Gender Identity

Time Stamp: 22:04 – 24:44

The hosts discuss Colorado's new rule affecting custody disputes based on gender identity, where "misgendering" a child can influence custody decisions.

• Mary Kathryn Ham: Criticizes the rule as an "insane idea," framing it as a speech issue and highlighting the requirement to use legal names and pronouns.

• Carol Markowitz: Praises Nikki Neely, president of Defending Education, for her relentless advocacy against such policies, applauding her dedication and effectiveness.

9. Lighthearted Sports Segment

Time Stamp: 28:18 – 32:37

Transitioning to a lighter tone, the hosts discuss upcoming sports events and humorous takes on them.

• Flag Football in the 2028 Olympics:

  • Excitement about NFL players participating in Olympic flag football.
  • Mary Kathryn Ham: Jokes about the dominance of NFL athletes in the sport, likening it to past NBA dream teams' Olympic performances.

• Tush Push Move in NFL:

  • Mary Kathryn Ham: Applauds the NFL allowing the "tush push" move, encouraging its use among players.

• Bill Belichick's Engagement Rumors:

  • Carol Markowitz: Mentions rumors about Patriots coach Bill Belichick's engagement, sparked by his boat's new paint job referencing extra championship rings.

10. Closing Remarks

Time Stamp: 32:21 – 35:38

• The hosts wrap up the episode with well-wishes and reminders for listeners to subscribe, emphasizing their commitment to acting "normally" even when discussions get "weird."

• Final Ads: Brief mentions of sponsors like Ferris State University, Thrivent, Morton Buildings, Clorox, and Discover, promoting their services and products.

Notable Quotes

• Mary Kathryn Ham (02:54): "I'm just learning all the breaking news still about Biden being sick and old and infirm and losing his mind and having cancer."

• Carol Markowitz (03:32): "There's nothing new here. I'm not entirely sure that's true."

• Mary Kathryn Ham (07:44): "If they were willing to do this to hold on to the Attorney General position in Delaware, imagine what they were willing to do to hold on to the presidency."

• Alex Thompson (08:54): "The media deserves some blame, too. We were sort of amazed at some of the stuff we were able to spin and get on."

• Mary Kathryn Ham (12:29): "The Obama coalition turned into the Trump coalition. Men, especially men of color shifted towards Republicans."

• Carol Markowitz (19:58): "That's a very good point."

• Mary Kathryn Ham (22:57): "They don't get to object to that. And that's the thing about so much of the trans activism."

• Carol Markowitz (24:32): "She is unstoppable. Hoya Queen. Lawsuit Queen."

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Conclusion

In this episode of the Normally Podcast, Mary Kathryn Ham and Carol Markowitz provide a critical examination of President Joe Biden's health and the media's role in shaping public perception. They explore broader themes of media complicity, demographic shifts influencing political landscapes, and ongoing battles over transgender rights and representation. The hosts balance serious political discourse with lighter segments on sports, maintaining an engaging and comprehensive narrative for their listeners.

Transcript

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[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Hey guys, we are back calling. Normally the show with normalish takes for when the news gets weird. I am Mary Kathryn Ham.

[Carol Markowitz]

And I'm Carol Markowitz. Hi Mary Kathryn, how's it going?

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Hey, you know I'm just learning all the breaking news still about Biden being sick and old and infirm and losing his mind and Having cancer.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah. Well, it's funny because the liberals who denied it for so long are now coming to terms with the fact that they lied about it and they were lied to. Let's say, let's give them that tiny, tiny benefit of the doubt, which I don't really believe. Then we have in the Atlantic today a story. Biden's age wasn't a cover up, it was observable fact. And the argument goes that the former president was old. Deal with it. There's nothing new here. I'm not entirely sure that's true.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Well, also the logic is so circular. Sure. Everyone in the industry whose job it is to tell you these things are happening ignored it was happening even though it was observable fact, asked no questions about it, claims ignorance. Which by the way, if it was observable fact, why are you so dumb? Not the guy who wrote this, actually, because he did write earlier about Biden being old and he shouldn't run. But then they used the fact that it's observable, although it tricked most of them, and they ignored it to say, well, the COVID up doesn't matter because it's not much of a cover up if 80% of Americans understood. It's like it just, it's so self serving and so nonsensical.

[Carol Markowitz]

But the 20% who didn't think that Biden was too old to run are in the top echelon of our media. So like that is a problem. We do need to talk about it.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

I also don't like about this piece. Now, Leibovich, this is Mark Leibovich who is a bit of like a man around town type columnist. But the tone of this is, you could read it in Lady Thistledown's voice, the voiceover from Bridgerton. Like it is. He's like. For the latest chapter in this saga, we give thanks to a new book out today whose arrival has been as hotly anticipated around Washington as a Sunday card at the senior home. That's right. Biblically titled Original Sin, the book by the CNN host Jake Tapper and Axios's Alex Thompson offers the latest after action report of the calamitous culmination of Biden's career. I mean, it's just the book depicts a kind of West Wing weekend at Bernie's with Biden playing the frail, prideful and self deluded leader. Well, yeah, we've been making that joke for six years now.

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[Carol Markowitz]

Weekend at Burns is a overplayed joke at this point because that's quite a bit.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

It is funny. Is like, there are, I feel like a couple people in media and the left who, like, probably saw that before, like, right wing conspiracy mongering. And now they're like, hardy Har. We'll make the joke.

[Carol Markowitz]

Like, y' all just make the joke now.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Got here. And Leibovich, due to his flippant tone, makes himself look bad when he's a person who should get credit because he wrote, like, three columns in the Atlantic saying this guy's too old and shouldn't run.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah.

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[Carol Markowitz]

Look, he gives himself the credit in.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

The piece, but, like, how are you on the right side of this issue and still disgrace yourself on the coverage of this issue?

[Carol Markowitz]

Right. It's amazing. It's really impressive.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

You know, like, it's not much of a cover up. I'm just not that interested. Like, you. You guys are, right. You guys are, like, really freaking out about this.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right, right, right. And of course, there's the additional part about the cancer, which is. I mean, it has to be a cover up is what everybody's coming down to. Even people on the left are talking to doctors and saying it's impossible that he just found out that he had stage four cancer the day that it became super popular to talk about how much covering up that White House did. It's just not possible.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Can I read you something from Original Sin that Anthony La Mesa flagged? And this, to me, is so incredibly damning, particularly coming as it does the week of the prostate cancer diagnosis. This is about beautiful. Beau's cancer treatment also demonstrated the Biden's capacity for denial and the lengths they would go to to avoid transparency about health issues, even when the person in question is an elected official, in this case, the sitting Attorney General of Delaware. In summer 2013, Beau had surgery after collapsing during a vacation, and a stage 4 tumor was removed from his brain. Beau then started to do fewer public appearances, stopped doing lengthy interviews, and appeared gaunt. Does any of this sound familiar? Despite all this, the Bidens didn't disclose anything. And in November 2013, Beau told a local, local reporter that he had a clean bill of health. It goes on to say he would remain the sitting Attorney General of Delaware. He flew all over the country, presumably not doing his job during those periods of time to have experimental treatments. The then vice president lied about where he was.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

When he would fly to meet him, Beau's wife Hallie was arguing this family saying, I don't understand why we can't disclose this. It doesn't seem right. But let me just. If they were willing to do this to hold on to the Attorney General position in Delaware. Imagine what they were willing to do to hold on to the presidency.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah, yeah. It's a tell. It's a tell.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Yeah. Like, it's just. We're just running the same play. And the media was happy to run the play with them several times.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah. And that media was so fine with doing that. They just thought this was their responsibility to cover up for Biden and that's it. I believe we have a clip to that effect.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Yes. On News News Nation, Alex Thompson is talking to Leland Vittert and he has this to say about some of the Biden folks reaction to the media's reaction to their cover up. Here we go.

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When you were reporting this, did people in his inner circle, did those that you talked to acknowledge that the media, were they surprised by how complicit the media was?

[Alex Thompson]

You know, it was interesting. I had one conversation with someone. This was after the election while we were reporting this book. And this person said, listen, yes, we deserve blame for xyz. We were hiding him. We were. But this person also sort of got in my face and they said, listen, the media deserves some blame, too. Like, we were sort of amazed at some of the stuff we were able to spin and get on. In some ways, it's like the bank.

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[Alex Thompson]

They're just like, you guys should not have believed us so easily. And I thought that was like a really interesting. But I also think that's true. I think the media in a lot of ways, just was not skeptical enough and did not remember the lesson that they do it to different degrees, but every White House lies.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Yeah. I mean, like the idea that you have to tell the press that. I mean, they know that they're just willing to do the lying for the other side.

[Carol Markowitz]

This is kind of a tangential issue, but it's kind of amazing to me how the conservative media is covering this book. Because would the liberal media ever cover one of our books in such a manner? Would they give us interviews on all of their shows? Would they allow us to tell our side of the story and how we saw the time that we had gotten completely wrong? Again, not Alex Thompson, but Jake Tapper for sure.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Well, it certainly wouldn't break any into any mainstream coverage.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right. Would there be talk of a Hollywood blockbuster about one of these books? Obviously, none of that would happen. But it's just the fact that conservatives do talk to the liberals in a way that the liberals just do not talk to Conservatives.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Yeah, yeah, well. And I think Charles Cook was tweeting today like, hey, so you guys got all this wrong? And the media's like, yeah. And he's like, so the people who got it right will get the book deals and the movie deals and such. Right? And they're like, oh, no, no. Who's going to get those? Oh, the people who got it wrong. That's how this works, unfortunately. Can I note this new study about 2024's demographic shifts and all of this that came out of Catalyst. It's very detailed, but I just want to run through because look, there should be like congressional hearings over this. People should be punished. People should never work again in politics or public service because of what they perpetrated in the Biden White House. However, if we don't get that, which I don't have a lot of confidence in, if we don't get that, there's a cosmic pain that the Democratic Party is suffering. And let me just read through it for you. These are the subheads on the Amy Walter piece in Cook Political Report on this, on this study of what happened in 2024. Here they are. I don't even need to go into the details. The Obama coalition turned into the Trump coalition. Men, especially men of color shifted towards Republicans. Women didn't rally for Harris and Latino women moved. Right. Younger voters, especially voters of color shifted. Right. Super voters, they're, you know, older. Boomers were older, less racially diverse and less urban. And new voters were the least Democratic ever. Every self conception they have of what makes them cool and special and morally correct and hip is obliterated by this election.

[Carol Markowitz]

It's amazing. It's amazing. And there's very little self correction going on. Like we're not going to get into immigration today. But on immigration, which I think was Trump's top issue, they are still defending illegal immigration. Like as in we should stop kicking out illegal immigrants. We should not be so hard on illegal immigrants. It's wild. Like you just lost everything on this issue. You're really going to continue to push it.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Yeah, you're going to end up with a Trump coalition that next time around. Still looks like, I kid you not, from this report, 57% women and people of color. Okay.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah, good luck with that. We'll be right back. On normalely.

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[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Moving on. There's a couple of sort of trans activist stories going on right now that I wanted to flag. The first of which made it to the Supreme Court, which is that a main state representative, Laurel Levy, who spoke out on the floor of her state legislature about the main government's insistence on defying Donald Trump's executive order and putting men in women's sports in the state of Maine. She spoke out about this on the floor. She was censured. The way that they censured her in this state body was to not allow her to speak on the floor or to vote. She has constituents who currently are unrepresented.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yep. And nobody spoke to her. Everybody, like, gave her the cold shoulder. And, like, it's like, what are you guys doing? Like, what is this?

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

So she goes to a lower court and says, hey, my people don't have representation right now. This is a speech issue. This is a representation issue. Like, you can't do this. And the lower court's like, now we're not going to enjoin that. We'll get to it later. She goes emergency to the Supreme Court. The emergency court, the emergency docket, agrees to see it 7:2 in favor of Laurel Libby, who must be like, re put into her position for the moment. But what was telling is that I'm sure you can guess who the two dissenters were. They were Jackson and Sotomayor Kagan, on the right side of this. But what struck me is that Jackson's dissent is like, hey, you haven't proved that this is an issue like your, your speech. First of all, I think it's icky. Second of all, second of all, they probably have a right to censor you, censure you. And third, you haven't showed me that any votes coming up are going to be decided by your vote. So why do these people need representation and why do you need speech rights?

[Carol Markowitz]

Why does anybody need representation at that point? You only need representation if you're the deciding vote. That's the only time that you should be allowed to vote. Yeah. Wait a minute. I think I like this.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

No, no, it's. It's wild to me that it had to go to the Supreme Court. I'm glad to do. To see 7:2. It should have been 9:0, but when.

[Carol Markowitz]

You, the dissent is embarrassing.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

When you see the dissent and you realize, oh, this is just. She doesn't believe that Libby, if she's saying icky things to her mind, has these rights. These are not fundamental rights. This is like something else. This is something she objects to.

[Carol Markowitz]

And therefore that story, the Libby story, it just, it should give everyone pause on both sides. But of course it doesn't. Again, it doesn't. It's just they. The left protects themselves in a way that I just don't think the right does. Again, if the right did this, we would have a dozen think pieces about how inappropriate it is to take away representation from voters, not allow somebody who you disagree with to speak.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

People like you and I would be like, they can't do that to this person.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right. We would cover it abnormally and say this is wrong. It just, it does not happen in the same fashion on the left. It drives me crazy. That double standard and the way that they just think that everything that they do is correct and they don't self police at all.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Yeah.

[Carol Markowitz]

Until it's too late, until they can get a book deal out of it.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

And part of that is because they're just results based, which is what you see in this dissent from Jackson. She's just like, well, I don't like this case. And therefore.

[Carol Markowitz]

That's a very good point.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Another, another story out of Loudoun county which is near me, and this is the famous one that there was a huge story during the Youngkin election that helped turn that one about the inability of Loudoun county schools to protect their, their own students and their lack of transparency about things like sexual assault inside the schools. In this case, a girl who identifies as a boy had access to a male locker room and was in the male locker room changing with teenage boys and filmed said teenage boys in the locker room. The teenage boys objected to this and Loudoun county schools is investigating the boys.

[Carol Markowitz]

Wild.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

The boys. Loudoun county is so perfectly crazy, it almost sounds fake every time you hear one of these stories. It's absolutely real. By the way, in that old story, they arrested the dad of the assault victim because he had the temerity to come to a school board meeting and say, hey, you're covering up the assault of my child. Yeah, they had him arrested.

[Carol Markowitz]

So just to tie those two stories together, Laurel Libby was censured because she posted a photo of a biologically male athlete who won the state championship in women's pole vaulting. And it was that social media post that got her censured and unable to vote or speak in the main State House. Now, it's ironic that she was not in a locker room. She was not taking pictures that she wasn't allowed to be taking. She just posted a picture of an athlete that she didn't feel belonged in women's.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Which was a publicly available photo.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yes. Right.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Yeah.

[Carol Markowitz]

But they considered it bullying, and therefore she was censured.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

But this, I believe the phrase, by the way, is endangering a minor is what she did.

[Carol Markowitz]

Mm. Right. Yeah.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

But, yeah. Young. Young boys being filmed in a locker room by a person of the opposite sex. So they don't get privacy.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

They don't get to object to that. To that. And that's. That's the thing about so much of the trans activism, is that if you don't go straight from having your comfort zone violated to celebrating having your comfort zone violated or having your metal taken from you, they're like, aha, I think we need an investigation of this.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah. I'll also say that it's interesting because a lot of the times it's girl spaces that are violated in this manner. It's pretty rare that it's boy spaces. You know, if a biological girl wants to play in boy sports, go for it. You know, it's not really good luck. Yeah. Good luck with that. But this is interesting because it shows it really does affect kids of both sexes, and it should just be something that we understand to not be allowed.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

One more story on this front just so that everybody knows about it, because Colorado is also sort of perfectly crazy and casting itself in this role. Lately, Colorado's state government passed a rule that misgendering your child or not supporting your child in a transition will be used as part of custody discussions. And it will be considered, you know, a harm that you're doing to your child potentially and would change the way that custody disputes are resolved. This is insane. It's obviously a speech issue because the government can't say that you can't call your kid a she, by the way. I also love that the government makes you turn in a birth certificate where you choose all these things, and they're like, you can't use that dead name that you turned into us that we put all the documentation in. Stupid 15 years. Anyway, parents defending freedom or defending education.

[Carol Markowitz]

I'm on the board.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Yep. Thank you very much for all your work. Great organization. Is suing over that as a speech issue. And so hopefully the parents of Colorado will no longer have to live in such fear after you guys take care of that, but it's an insane idea.

[Carol Markowitz]

Nikki Neely is the president of Defending Education. And if you are doing bad things in your state and you see Nikki Neely coming, run, run. She is unstoppable.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Hoya Queen. Lawsuit Queen.

[Carol Markowitz]

She's so good.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Communications queen. She will.

[Carol Markowitz]

I don't think she sleeps, she just works all the time. When we have our board meetings, it's like we're all just like, what? Like you did all that well.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

And then she'll be like in Rome, homeschooling. And you're like, wow, how did that happen? So I appreciate that very much and I think it will do the parents of Colorado a lot of good to have her on the case.

[Carol Markowitz]

We're going to take a short break and come right back with Normale.

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[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Do we want to do a little sports before we close out?

[Carol Markowitz]

You know, and I want to say about our third topic, we try to make the third topic a little lighter. And earlier today I heard a story about how some the Washingtonian magazine has a story about Republican female makeup and how we all look the same. We're skipping that story to bring you a football story. Okay. That is how much we want to be representative of all of our audience. We don't want to just focus on fashion and beauty. I mean, I do, but apparently we can. So.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Well, apparently the NFL and the so the Olympics is going to have flag football in 2028, and the NFL has said that NFL players can play in the Olympics on a flag football team.

[Carol Markowitz]

That's incredible.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

For the United States of America. This is going to be amazing. Yeah, because for NFL players, it's just the strongest, toughest people in the world who regularly do this as a warmup doing it in competition for gold medals. Like, I am so here for it. And because it's flag football, we won't be actually, you know, laying out or hurting any European footballers who have decided to play the real football. Instead, we'll just be running circles around them. Can you imagine these people lining up against whiteouts from the NFL?

[Carol Markowitz]

It's going to be amazing. It's like a Slovakian like plumber who plays flag football on the weekends or.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Like the Australian break dancer. She's going to show up and be like, I will stop you, Xavier Leggett. No, no, you will not.

[Carol Markowitz]

It's like that when the NBA dream team played in the Olympics and it was like completely unstoppable and just. Yeah, it's our part. Sorry.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

It's just gonna be easier than their warm up.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

See now we. Now if this goes wrong somehow, horribly.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yes.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

We can come back to this clip and I will write a best selling book about how I was wrong.

[Carol Markowitz]

I love it. Yes. Well, you know, I'm also, I'm Russian and so this jinxing, you know, we can't be called.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

That's a fair point.

[Carol Markowitz]

It's like we have to touch wood and like spit, spit.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Okay, I will do that. But flag football, come on.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah. In other football news, the tush push is going to be allowed. Apparently the NFL was considering banning the tush push. And you know, I'm minorly interested in sports, so when my amazing neighbors Dana and Adam texted my husband and I with the words tush push for the win, I had no idea what was going on.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

You actually just thought they were swingers all of a sudden or something? What's happen?

[Carol Markowitz]

Pushing any tushies?

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

No, I'm excited about that. I said it's a legit move. If you're not strong enough to make it work, it's not going to work. These guys are hitting the gym. They can make the tush push work. Go for it.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right? I'm pro tush push. Why not?

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

There we go. Now you have it.

[Carol Markowitz]

Do we have another sports angle? Is Bill Belichick engaged?

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Oh, yes. One last quick update. Apparently, apparently he got a. His boat, got a new paint job, which fueled engagement rumors because it talked about how many rings he had and it was. There was an extra one involved. Oh, yeah.

[Carol Markowitz]

Interesting. I only saw the headline and I was like, I guess he painted his boat for her.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

I mean, that would be a very clever way to debut an engagement, if I'm being honest.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right. His girlfriend's in her 20s and that's a very Instagrammy like look.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

As long as she's not running the football program, yeah, I'm fine with it. The problem seems to be that she might be running the football program.

[Carol Markowitz]

Hopefully that's not going to be the case. Best of luck. You know, to them both. We're not haters over here on Normalely.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Good luck to you guys.

[Carol Markowitz]

Well thanks for joining us on Normale Ly. Normale Ly airs Tuesdays and Thursdays and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get in touch with us at normally the podmail.com thanks for listening and when things get weird, act normally.

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[Carol Markowitz]

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[Mary Kathryn Ham]

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[Carol Markowitz]

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