Normally Podcast: Democrats and the Alienation of Voters

Summary

Summary of "Normally Podcast: Democrats and the Alienation of Voters"

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
• Host/Authors: Mary Kathryn and Dan Bungino (Featuring Carol Markowitz)
• Podcast Segment: Normally Podcast: Democrats and the Alienation of Voters
• Release Date: June 3, 2025
• Description: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, through their segments, tackle significant news stories with intelligence and humor, guiding listeners through current events and political landscapes.

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1. Introduction to the Episode (03:14 - 03:24)

Mary Kathryn and Carol Markowitz kick off the "Normally" segment, noting the week's unusual and concerning events. Mary Kathryn introduces herself and Carol as they prepare to delve into the main topics of discussion.

2. Attack in Boulder, Colorado (03:24 - 11:03)

The hosts discuss a recent violent attack targeting Jewish protesters in Boulder, Colorado.

• Incident Overview:

  • Mary Kathryn (03:24): Describes the attack where a man, Mohammad Sabre Soliman, set Jewish protesters on fire using a Molotov cocktail. The attack resulted in eight injuries, primarily burns.
  • Dan Bungino (05:15): Emphasizes the severity of the attack, stating, “It’s not at all too much,” in response to questioning whether law enforcement's characterization as terrorism was warranted.

• Premeditation and Motive:

  • Dan Bungino (06:03): Points out the premeditated nature of the attack, highlighting that Soliman had prepared Molotov cocktails in advance and targeted the marchers based on their peaceful intentions.

• Government and Public Response:

  • Dan Bungino (06:10): Commends the Trump administration and law enforcement for their prompt and decisive response, contrasting it with international reactions.
  • Mary Kathryn (06:50): Notes the importance of making such incidents nationally recognized to prevent them from being ignored by mainstream media.

• Concerns About Leftist Violence:

  • Dan Bungino (08:02): Expresses worry that leftist violence may not be limited to anti-Semitic acts, suggesting a potential for broader targets, including those indifferent to Israel.

• Advocacy for Armed Defense:

  • Dan Bungino (10:00): Advocates for increased arming of individuals to protect against such attacks, stating, “I think you should be armed, you should protect yourself and others.”

3. Transgender Athletes in Sports (15:09 - 29:50)

The discussion shifts to the contentious issue of transgender athletes competing in women's sports, highlighting specific incidents and broader implications.

• Current Events and Cases:

  • Mary Kathryn (15:19): References Gavin Newsom's attempts to balance attracting moderate voters while adhering to Title IX, leading to conflicts in California's high school sports.
  • Dan Bungino (22:33): Discusses the Algerian boxer Iman Khalif, who was found to be male despite competing in female categories, criticizing the International Boxing Association's oversight.

• Impact on Female Athletes:

  • Mary Kathryn (18:01): Shares personal experiences and observations on how male competitors impact the confidence and performance of female athletes.
  • Dan Bungino (27:10): Highlights the frustration among normie parents who support keeping boys out of girls' sports, emphasizing the physical differences that create unfair competition.

• Legal and Institutional Responses:

  • Mary Kathryn (28:13): Mentions the Department of Justice's demands for California districts to comply with Title IX, threatening loss of federal funds for non-compliance.
  • Dan Bungino (29:40): Notes the political ramifications for Gavin Newsom, suggesting challenges in his primary due to these issues.

• Balance and Fairness:

  • Mary Kathryn (22:42): Critiques the lack of balance in media coverage, where the rights of transgender individuals are prioritized over the rights of female athletes.

• Quotes:

  • Mary Kathryn (20:00): “…or girls. Girls’ sports are for girls.”
  • Dan Bungino (22:33): “You don't see biological girls dying to get into biological boy sports. You don't see, you know, trans men.”

4. Democratic Strategies and Voter Alienation (29:50 - 40:40)

The hosts analyze how Democratic policies and rhetoric may be alienating voters, particularly men, contributing to political shifts.

• Economic Perceptions and Trust:

  • Dan Bungino (39:54): Comments on Republicans maintaining an economic lead, “The party that is closest to your economic views In November of 2023, it was the Republicans by 11 points.”
  • Mary Kathryn (40:37): Questions why Democrats struggle to understand economic dissatisfaction among voters.

• Voter Constituency and Engagement:

  • Mary Kathryn (38:15): Criticizes Democrats for lecturing rather than engaging and convincing their base, “what Democrats do and what liberals do is that they don't go looking for the constituency to convince them.”

• Impact of Societal Issues:

  • Dan Bungino (40:40): Attributes voter alienation to Democrats’ focus on issues like transgender athletes and economic policies that ignore the average voter's daily concerns.

5. Critique of Democratic Figures and Policies (32:16 - 38:15)

The conversation turns to prominent Democratic figures and their influence on voter perceptions.

• Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton:

  • Dan Bungino (35:23): Posits that Michelle Obama may be intentionally avoiding political office by making herself appear "toxic."
  • Mary Kathryn (36:05): Criticizes Hillary Clinton for her constant critique of women's voting behaviors, suggesting it alienates female voters.

• Reproductive Rights and Women's Health:

  • Dan Bungino (34:11): Discusses the narrow focus on abortion in Democratic discourse, neglecting broader aspects of women's reproductive health.
  • Mary Kathryn (36:34): Emphasizes the importance of recognizing the full scope of women's health beyond just reproductive capabilities.

6. Economic Analysis and Republican Advantage (39:09 - 40:40)

Analyzing recent data and trends, the hosts explore why Republicans maintain an economic advantage despite Democratic control.

• Economic Metrics:

  • Unknown Speaker (39:09): Highlights a Nielsen report indicating Republicans have an 8-point lead on the economy.
  • Dan Bungino (39:47): Attributes Republican trust to their focus on tangible economic improvements, such as lower egg prices and stock market gains.

• Public Trust and Policy Focus:

  • Dan Bungino (40:37): Explains that Democrats’ preoccupation with niche issues distracts from addressing the broader economic concerns of the majority.

7. Conclusion and Final Thoughts (40:40 - 44:35)

Wrapping up, the hosts reaffirm their stance on Democratic policies and their impact on voter relations.

• Future Outlook:

  • Mary Kathryn (40:37): Expresses skepticism about Democrats' ability to reconnect with voters, indicating ongoing challenges.
  • Dan Bungino (40:40): Predicts continued voter alienation unless Democrats address fundamental economic and social issues.

• Final Remarks:

  • Mary Kathryn (40:40): Encourages listeners to “act normally” when faced with unusual political climates.
  • Dan Bungino (42:00): Reinforces the need for pragmatic solutions over ideological lectures to regain voter trust.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Dan Bungino (05:15): “It’s not at all too much.”
• Mary Kathryn (20:00): “Girls’ sports are for girls.”
• Dan Bungino (22:33): “You don't see biological girls dying to get into biological boy sports. You don't see, you know, trans men.”
• Dan Bungino (39:47): “What’s going on here.”

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Conclusion: In this episode of "Normally," Mary Kathryn and Dan Bungino critically examine recent violent events targeting Jewish communities and the ongoing debate over transgender athletes in sports. They argue that Democratic policies and rhetoric are alienating a significant portion of the electorate, particularly men, by focusing on divisive social issues at the expense of addressing broader economic concerns. The discussion highlights the potential long-term political ramifications if these trends continue, emphasizing the need for Democrats to reconnect with their base through more inclusive and pragmatic approaches.

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[Mary Kathryn]

Hey guys. We are back on. Normally the show with normalish takes for when the news gets weird. It's weird this week already. How's it going, Carol? I'm Mary Kathryn. Sorry.

[Dan Bungino]

Hi, Mary Kathryn. I'm Carol Markowitz. Yeah, you know, we're coming out of a hard weekend. An attack in Boulder, Colorado on Jews who are protesting for the release of the hostages in Gaza. A man was filmed setting Jewish people on fire. They march there every week and this march actually happens in lots of places. I have a friend who participates in this march every week in North Carolina. So this certainly does seem premeditated. This guy was ready to go with some gardening equipment that he had fashioned as a Molotov cocktail. I'll also say I haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere, but these are almost certainly once again peaceniks. These are people who I bet if you talk to them, they all want a two state solution. They just want the hostages released. I would bet the farm that they're all peaceniks and peacenik adjacent and that once again, they're the ones being targeted for harm because they were, you know, the kind of people that wouldn't be carrying weapons. They were the kind of people that wouldn't be able to fight back. And so that's what happened in Colorado.

[Mary Kathryn]

Eight people were injured, mostly with burns onlookers and others at the site were, you know, grabbing water from the municipal fountain to, to douse them with until medical attention got there. The suspect is 45 year old Mohammad Sabre Soliman. And he was yelling free Palestine and other very obvious indications of motive while he was doing this crime. Although shortly afterwards, despite this, the Boulder police were like, let's not get ahead of ourselves on motive. Right? And CNN's broadcast was like, isn't it a little much for Cash Patel and the FBI to jump to this conclusion? And I would like to say no.

[Dan Bungino]

It'S not at all too much.

[Mary Kathryn]

It's not because he's on video.

[Dan Bungino]

Right?

[Mary Kathryn]

He's on video.

[Dan Bungino]

I'll also say that the response from the Trump administration and law enforcement has been exactly what I as a Jew living in America would like to see. The federal Government has charged Mohamed Salman with a hate crime with more charges to potentially follow. They're not waiting to see what the Boulder police is going to charge him with. They, they took action on their own. FBI Deputy Director Dan Bungino tweeted, we are investigating this incident as an act of terror and targeted violence. All of the necessary assets will be dedicated to this investigation. Trump truthed in capital letters that the attacks will not be tolerated. And so what I've said for years and years, because attacks on Jews have been going on for, I mean, more than a decade, fairly regularly in places like Brooklyn, New York. And what I would always say, yeah.

[Mary Kathryn]

Ignored by the press. You have been, you have done a good job of highlighting them. They're ignored by the press unless they can blame it on a right leaning person.

[Dan Bungino]

That's absolutely right. So what I would say about it is, what I would always write about, attacks like this or any anti Semitic incidents is it's always going to happen. I guess that's how I sort of see it. But it's the reaction from authorities and from the people that matters to me. Like a lot of times in France, for example, they'll have anti Semitic attacks and they'll be very shoulder shrugging. The reaction from the Trump administration from the top down has been exactly what I wanted to see. This is what I voted for.

[Mary Kathryn]

Well, and like, as, as in the past, if you see like Charlottesville or Tree of Life, these things, as long as they, the culprit is correct. Yeah, they can make a big deal out of it. They can make this a nationally known incident. And the Trump administration responding in this way goes a long way to making this one a memorable incident, which is what needs to happen. Our friend AG Hamilton on Twitter noted that, and I had almost already forgotten about this one, that Governor Shapiro's mansion was attacked with the intent to hurt and kill his family just in the last two months. And now we've got the two young people tragically murdered on the streets of Washington D.C. and now we've got this. By the way, Bill Melusion, I think, was first to report that this is an illegal immigrant. He's an Egyptian who was let in on a tourist visa which expired. He later applied for asylum, it was granted at some point, but that has also expired. And he's just hanging out, Molotov cocktailing Jews in the streets.

[Dan Bungino]

That's right. And so what I would also say is that I am concerned about leftist violence, not just aimed at Jews. I think that Americans who are not Jewish, Americans who don't care about Israel one way or the other. Should take very seriously what's happening here, because this, to me, seems like the beginning. It seems like this could easily spread. We see the Luigi Mangione becoming a hero after killing a health care executive in the street. If you get to kill whoever you don't like on the streets of America, believe me, this will not end with Jews. And I think people need to understand that.

[Mary Kathryn]

Well, and I haven't forgotten the summer of 2020. It was just all out, whatever you were up for, because you were ticked off. You could destroy businesses, you could hurt people. People died. You could attack people in those autonomous zones.

[Dan Bungino]

That's right.

[Mary Kathryn]

Assaults and sexual assaults happen regularly. And all of that was sort of deemed the cost of doing business because America needed to pay for its sins. And that is what far too many people on the left believe and they are willing to put up with and even celebrate in some cases, as we see with Luigi Mangione. It's, it's very creepy. It's some of the more disturbing stuff that I see. Solomon, by the way, was interviewed and said that this is Bill Malujian of Fox reporting again. So he wants to kill all Zionist people. So you can imagine how many people he could put in that category. He allegedly told investigators that he waited to carry out the attack until his daughter graduated high school. And then he specifically targeted the Zionist group in Boulder after learning about them from an online search. It was premeditated. They found a black container with 14 more Molotov cocktails near the spot where he was arrested. Inside his vehicle, investigators found paperwork with the words Israel, Palestine, and usaid. Because this, to your point, Carol, it's the Omni cause, right?

[Dan Bungino]

Yes.

[Mary Kathryn]

He's ticked off at Elon Musk about usaid, so he's got to, you know, attack some peaceful citizens of his city in a town square because of USAID aid cuts.

[Dan Bungino]

Sure. Yeah, right. It is the Omni cause, and it could be anything that they want it to be at any time. So this needs to be put down. I, I, I will say bluntly, I'm amazed that he got to arrest. I think in certain places. I, I hope that I'm correct in saying this, but I feel like in Florida that he does not make it to the police car. And that's the way I think it should be. I think you should be armed, you should protect yourself and others. And if somebody's throwing Molotov cocktails and setting elderly people on fire, I should hope that somebody is caring and able to defend those people.

[Mary Kathryn]

Yes. This makes me want to see more people armed.

[Dan Bungino]

Absolutely.

[Mary Kathryn]

And to have plenty of those good guys who are armed at every demonstration that might be subject to this kind of attack.

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[Dan Bungino]

What are the Democrats up to? What are they focused on? Do they are they changing their perspective on trans athletes?

[Mary Kathryn]

Well, you'll remember Carol, that we covered Gavin Newsom saying, yeah, this really isn't fair because he's doing his big switch to attract the normies, right? And so on podcasts, he's happy to say this seems bad, but when it comes to the actual policies of the state of California, he has not put his foot down. The federal government via executive order from Trump has said, hey, you guys have to follow Title 9 or else you will lose your funds. And Title 9 means respecting women's sports and women's spaces. Not just the competition, but the locker rooms. And California's like, yeah, but we have like our super crazy laws and we have to do those. And so right now you have a big fight that sort of culminated in the state championship in Clovis, California with this track and field athlete, AB Hernandez, who is a boy who identifies as a girl, and the state high school association tried to make sort of last minute changes to attempt to comply with the Trump administration or to make everyone happy.

[Dan Bungino]

Right.

[Mary Kathryn]

And they said basically, like, we're not going to take anything from any of the women athletes. Like, this guy is going to get to compete. He's going to end up first place in a couple of categories or second place or whatever. But then we're just going to add the women who would otherwise have gotten those, and they'll also get it. So it's like they are twisting themselves in knots to satisfy one athlete, AB Hernandez, in this particular state in these events. And it won't surprise you, Carol, to know that A.B. hernandez, it turns out, was a, was quite successful this week. Hernandez took first place in the girls triple jump, tied for first place in the girls high jump, and got second place in the girls long jump. Yes, that's right, Reports National Review. The California state girls champion in the high and triple jump is a boy. It's quite obvious when you look at this competitor that he has a lot of advantages. In fact, finished inches and inches ahead. Right.

[Dan Bungino]

Wasn't particularly close. Yeah.

[Mary Kathryn]

No. His mom is doing all the rounds with the media and then saying, no one's respecting my child's privacy.

[Dan Bungino]

Right.

[Mary Kathryn]

The mom of one of the other would be winners says, I don't have a problem with trans people. I have a problem with boys competing with girls. And I don't think it's fair. It is uncomfortable knowing that there's a man on the field that she's competing against and knowing that the playing field is not equal. It does, I think, affect their confidence and I think it affects their demeanor out on the field.

[Dan Bungino]

How could it not? How did it not affect them?

[Mary Kathryn]

And it's very obvious. He's tall, he's broad, he has narrow hips, he has very obvious muscles. He is taller than most of the girls out there. In his triple jump, he finished almost 10 inches further right than anyone else saw that.

[Dan Bungino]

Yeah.

[Mary Kathryn]

Like, come on.

[Dan Bungino]

Yeah. It's so galling this, this whole idea of are, are they better? Are they, is there something intrinsically more athletic about men than women? What, what could it be?

[Mary Kathryn]

Yes, there is, actually. This is the new line from the left is there haven't been enough studies for us to really know. And this to me really echoes the COVID insanity where it was like knowledge that was previously had and universally understood. Like that babies and children need to see faces to learn how to communicate with other humans. That knowledge was discarded and we pretended that we had never had it.

[Dan Bungino]

Right.

[Mary Kathryn]

And then, and then people like the American Academy of Pediatrics are like, no, no, we don't have any evidence that it affects speech if you cover your face. We don't know. We don't have enough studies for that.

[Dan Bungino]

Right. Could kids be on devices all the time? Who could say?

[Mary Kathryn]

Who could say? So now the universally acknowledged truth that we have all understood for millennia that men are on average taller, stronger, better at sports than women. We have to discard that and we have to claim we don't have enough stuff studies to truly understand the nuance here, which is what they were getting into on CNN where Scott Jennings is sparring with a, with his colleague. This is a little over a minute, but I think the back and forth is worth hearing here. Science behind this hasn't been studied enough or talked about enough for us to make a real full opinion. I do agree girls sports are for girls. You said this hasn't been studied enough to know that.

[Unknown]

Look, would that sense make millions of years of study?

[Mary Kathryn]

Men and women are different and that's.

[Ryan]

Why it's unfair to put boys in girls sports. We don't need to have any more biological studies.

[Mary Kathryn]

It is fundamentally. But do you see, genuinely curious any accommodations that are reasonable? You have a 16 year old who wants to participate in sports. In your mind, is there any way that that can happen that is fair?

[Ryan]

Have the people participate with their own biological sex? Boys and boys sports, girls and girl sports.

[Mary Kathryn]

It's worked for a very long time in this country. But it's not that simple anymore, Scott. That's where we are. So what do you do? 80% of the country, but it's not that anymore. So what do you do with the 20%? Do we ignore them?

[Dan Bungino]

Yeah, pretty much 20 issue.

[Mary Kathryn]

Everybody's just said it was a number.

[Unknown]

If it's minuscule, why can't.

[Ryan]

Why do we have to upend?

[Mary Kathryn]

We don't have to. The the reason why millions of people.

[Unknown]

Scott, was because I don't think it's.

[Mary Kathryn]

Fair that you're scaring people at home thinking that boys are trying to compete in girl sport by the droves and that this is going to take over and you were scaring people at. It's just not happening.

[Dan Bungino]

It's not happening. Exaggerated. You know what this reminds me of? Actually this reminds me of the Joe Biden cover up. It's like we all could see what's going on, but the White House hasn't told Anybody. So how could we know? How could we know?

[Mary Kathryn]

How could we know?

[Dan Bungino]

Right. So unless they get more studies on this and unless the 20%. Now we're catering to the 20% of the country, because I recall Obama when, after he'd win, he'd be real, real happy about his majority and not care at all what the, what the minority was saying about his policies.

[Mary Kathryn]

Yeah.

[Dan Bungino]

Didn't he say, yeah, now the 20% really matters.

[Mary Kathryn]

Well, and also, you notice that every anchor and Brianna Keiller was interviewing Julie Hamill, who's done a lot of the representation of some of these young women and work on the legal side of this. She was interviewing her. And both anchors default to only the rights of this one person.

[Dan Bungino]

Right.

[Mary Kathryn]

Like, those don't have to be balanced at all. Apparently, according to them, it doesn't matter that this person is standing atop the stadium. And by the way, he is welcome to compete in the men's category. And you know what would happen? He wouldn't win. He wouldn't win in the men's category. So I don't think it has quite the rush that it has to compete with women, by the way, because also.

[Dan Bungino]

Sorry, you don't see this in the reverse. You do not see biological girls dying to get into biological boy sports. You don't see, you know, trans men.

[Mary Kathryn]

Right.

[Dan Bungino]

Trans men trying to get into men's sports. You just don't see it. You know why? Because they wouldn't win.

[Mary Kathryn]

Right. Because you end up being the, The.

[Dan Bungino]

The absolute worst player.

[Mary Kathryn]

Yeah. Like you're sitting on the pine. By the way, I just want to note that female athletes also lost to men in the end of season sort of championship part of the season in Maine, Oregon, and Washington. And then California, of course, is the one we are noting. As Julie Hamill points out, you have to follow Title 9 like, this isn't even a Trump thing. Title 9 has been the law for a long time. They just twisted it during the Biden administration to cover men and women, which means it doesn't protect women at all. In Oregon, two girls who had to compete against a boy in the high jump refused to step on the podium. That was their protest. They were punished by a man. A male official comes over and tells them to leave, and they were sent to the sidelines because even their silent and appropriate and polite protest cannot be countenanced in the face of the rights of these young men who just desperately must beat them.

[Dan Bungino]

Yeah, must. Also, we have the story of Algerian boxer who was obvious again, to anybody who had eyes that it was this boxer was a man, was competing in the female category. There was this ongoing lie that he was. Was intersex. Which is really another galling thing about this. It's like we can see, we know what we're looking at. Like, don't lie to us. And so there was a leak a few days ago where the Algerian boxer Iman Khalif, this thing leaked that says that a blood test confirmed that he is in fact male.

[Mary Kathryn]

This was a blood test administered by the International boxing association in 2023 that had been rumored as this person was entering the Olympics. And everyone was saying, I think this guy's been flagged before. And the Olympics, because we've reached a point in our sort of international leftism that we must not determine whether a dude is a dude before he gets into a ring and beats a woman for a medal. That's how far the libs have gone, right? Is that in order to be a good liberal, you have to cheer and make fun of anyone who doesn't cheer the beating of a woman inside a boxing ring by a dude for a medal. Like, this is crazy, right?

[Dan Bungino]

And that is the thing, I think that so many of them know that it's crazy. You know, we have again, these 80, 20 numbers, but they're not loud enough about it. Where are the. Like, the feminist organizations are just. I know some feminists have taken some real risks. J.K. rowling has been at the forefront of this. I get that there are very outspoken feminists from the left talking about this, but in general, they're all still so quiet. And they're not standing up for women and they're not standing up for these girls. And they're allowing girls to be beat up by a man on a stage. Like, how is that okay?

[Mary Kathryn]

No, and it goes beyond that, right? It is the shaming of the women who do stand up. It is, it is making what's always made me most angry as a. As a former somewhat mediocre female athlete myself, is that. Is that these women who are beaten by post pubescent males, yeah, they must stand up and cheer and talk to the press and tell the press how amazing it is to be beaten by a dude in their sport or else they will be shunned and punished. And on this front, I think Jennifer, say, Martina Navratilova, J.K. rowling have given a bunch of female athletes courage to stand up and say no. They wear the XXXY shirts. They stand on the podium or they skip the podium entirely. They have forfeited their Sports at times at great cost to themselves. So I think that's where the turn is happening with the normie athletes who are fed up with this. And elite liberalism has to get its mind wrapped around this if it expects to ever perform anywhere or be listened to by anyone.

[Dan Bungino]

And I see kind of, I see normie moms, I see normie people in the XX X Y shirts. I don't think they have a lot of political opinions, but I think keeping boys out of girls sports is just one of those really gets to people, especially if they have daughters themselves who play in sports at any level. I think they understand, yo, you can't have boys in this. And if you have, you know, you and I both have daughters and sons, you see the physical difference between them. It just, it's so obvious. It's if you have eyes, you can tell they are different.

[Mary Kathryn]

I mean I. So I played on boys soccer teams for a little while because my district didn't have enough money to have a women's soccer team. And it was like right at that age where it becomes probably dangerous. It was like 12 to 14 and I managed but like in no world was that the proper situation for me. Right, that was. And if it had been one on one, I was part of a team. If it had been one on one competition with anyone else on the field, like I'm lost. It's done.

[Dan Bungino]

Right? That's the other thing that the time of when they play together really matters. My 9 year old son had some unbelievable flag football girls on various teams last season. Like, unreal. They're taller, they're faster, they, you know, girls hit puberty earlier, they mature faster. So at that age they could still be even better. But once you hit puberty, all bets are off. And it's impossible to have fairness between boys and girls playing sports together.

[Mary Kathryn]

All those outstanding flag football gals are going to be just the kind of gals to grow up and get their butts beaten by young men pretending to be gone.

[Dan Bungino]

Oh man, I hope we solve this for them before that happens. But yes, that's exactly where they're headed.

[Mary Kathryn]

I think we're on the way to solving it. I think there is an awakening. And there was an update today from the doj. Its demands to California districts is that if you don't comply with Title IX and protect girls sports and spaces from male invasion, not only will you lose federal funds, but you are violating the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment U.S. constitution. The DOJ demands districts certify compliance and if you lie you are defrauding the government and liable for False Claims act violations. Things are going to get a little tricky for Gavin Newsom as he tries to walk this tightrope and claim he's just a totally reasonable dude. You gotta the rubber's gonna hit the road. You gotta do something.

[Dan Bungino]

Yep, there's a primary. He's gonna have to get through a primary, so we'll see.

[Mary Kathryn]

Good luck with that.

[Dan Bungino]

We're going to take a short break and come right back with Normale Looking.

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[Dan Bungino]

Well, you know, we talk a lot about how Democrats are alienating men. It turns out they don't want to stop there. Why stop there? Michelle Obama had some choice things to say about women and what we are good for. And what about us is important.

[Unknown]

So many men have no idea about what women go through, right? We haven't been researched, we haven't been considered. And it still affects the way a lot of male lawmakers, a lot of male politicians, a lot of male religious leaders think about the issue of choice as if it's just about the fetus, the baby, the but women's reproductive health is about our life. It's about this whole complicated reproductive system that does the least of what it does is produce life. It's a very important thing that it does. But you only produce life if the machine that's producing it. If you want to whittle us down to a machine, if the machine is functioning in a healthy, streamlined kind of way, but there is no discussion or apparent connection.

[Dan Bungino]

What's the most important thing that our little machine does? I just need to know if the least important thing is it produces life. Because that seems kind of a big one to me. Dying to know what else there is.

[Mary Kathryn]

I will say this. If the least important thing that my uterus is doing is creating life, then I wish it would quit bugging me every month with the other stuff that it does.

[Dan Bungino]

Seriously enough, we don't need to do.

[Mary Kathryn]

That at all if it's not important. No, I think, Look, Michelle Obama. I have a theory on Michelle Obama, by the way, that she's doing this.

[Dan Bungino]

Podcast because the show is called normally. I know it's not the theory on Michelle Obama.

[Mary Kathryn]

No, I have. I have a theory that she is doing this podcast to. To get rid of the idea from anybody's brain that she can ever run for office.

[Dan Bungino]

It worked. It really worked. I was like, this woman cannot actually run for office.

[Mary Kathryn]

Look, there are times when she is incredible. She gave a great speech at the dnc. You look at her and you're like this. She has 100% name ID. People seem to love her. Like, you know, there's tons to tons going for her. Then she's like, I'm going to do a podcast and I'm going to say all the things that will make it impossible for me to run for office. So I think that's her plan, because I don't think she ever wanted to run for office.

[Dan Bungino]

Right?

[Mary Kathryn]

So she's just like, nah, I'm going to make myself toxic. But this is such a wild thing to say. She's correct. Men often don't understand much of what goes on. This is a fair critique.

[Dan Bungino]

Agreed.

[Mary Kathryn]

Yeah, but the idea that your reproductive system's least important function is creating life, when that's like the grandest, most amazing, most miraculous, most differentiating thing about being a woman that you can do is so dismissive and crazy to me.

[Dan Bungino]

Right. And I just. It her and also Hillary Clinton. I just, I don't get why it's okay for first ladies to kind of lecture us in this way. Like, I long for the Barbara Bush, the Laura Bushes, who just like, they do what they do and they don't tell us how to be. I wrote about Hillary Clinton recently for Fox News. Nothing. She likes More than popping her head up to tell us how women aren't behaving the way she would like and how we've been a massive disappointment to her, to Hillary Clinton particularly. So, you know, she had, she had it again recently. But she's always talking about how women vote, the way that their husbands make them vote and the way that they want them to and they, they cater to the men in their lives and all that. Why? Why just go enjoy your retirement. You don't need the money, you don't need the fame. Go sail off into the sunset. I assure you that was what I would be doing if I were them.

[Mary Kathryn]

I know. I, this is why we're normal, though. They're not normal. Yeah, she, that was part of Michelle Obama's take as well. The Republican women suggesting, of course, that they voted for Donald Trump because of their husbands, Quote, there are a lot of men who have big chairs at their tables. There are a lot of women who vote the way their man is going to vote. It happened in this election.

[Dan Bungino]

Meanwhile, my husband's like, who are we voting for? Not for president, but like, you know, any of the local stuff, he's just like, I don't know where. What am I doing?

[Mary Kathryn]

What do we do now? I would say it often probably goes the other direction. And it's just such a, again, dismissive, condescending, it doesn't acknowledge, unnecessary. That what Democrats do and what liberals do is that they don't go looking for the constituency to convince them. They go looking for a constituency to lecture and change them.

[Dan Bungino]

So and just doesn't work.

[Mary Kathryn]

It's not going to work. And actually we have a new clip of Harry Hinton, the, the smart. I said that. Real Southern Harry. Anton Harry. And the smart numbers guy over at CNN who is going through a few more numbers on Trump that I think are going to be problematic for Democrats as we move forward.

[Unknown]

After all of the waves, Kate Ball, when after last few months, the first five months of the Donald Trump presidency, right. Of the first four months of the Donald Trump presidency, that you expect that Democrats would have this massive lead on the economy. It ain't so. It ain't so. The party that is closest to your economic views In November of 2023, it was the Republicans by 11 points. Now it's still within that range, still within that margin of error, plus 8 point advantage for the Republican Party. How is that possible? Democrats, how is that possible? After all the recession fears, after the stock market's been doing all of this, after all the terrorists that Americans are against and Republicans still hold an eight point lead on the economy. Are you kidding me?

[Dan Bungino]

All I like the way he says all. It reminds me of my Brooklyn childhood. I mean, not a mystery.

[Mary Kathryn]

Not a mystery I'm figuring it out either.

[Dan Bungino]

Yeah, but most Americans are not in the stock market. The price of eggs is way down. It's little things that have gotten better. It could all go to, you know, crapper at any moment. We really don't know. The economy is really in flux and obviously we're hoping things stay positive. But it's it's no great mystery why Americans trust the Trump administration or Republicans in general over Democrats. Democrats are always involved in some other issue and dismissing the needs of Americans and mocking them for their caring about egg prices and things like that. So no great mystery to me. What's going on here.

[Mary Kathryn]

I don't think they're going to figure it out anytime soon.

[Dan Bungino]

No, they're they still haven't gotten to boys and girls sports. I don't think they're going to be tackling the economy anytime too soon. Thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get in touch with us@ normallythepodmail.com thanks for listening. And when things get weird, act normally.

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