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Hey guys. We are back on normally the show with normal it takes for when the news gets weird. I am Mary Katherine Ham.
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And I'm Carol Markowitz. Katherine, I have to say that you and I have a lot of pluses, but we are not the world's most organized people. So I just have to note that we are recording this about a week and a half after our one year anniversary of normally.
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Dang it.
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So congratulations on a year and a week and a half.
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Well done to us. That's the traditional way to celebrate it is correct.
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Yeah. I mean just as long as we're not the husbands in this equation. The show is doing super awesome. We get over a million downloads a quarter. We love all of our listeners, I mean most of our listeners. And I really do just feel like it's so much fun and it's just the conversations that you and I would be having anyway with maybe a little bit more explanation.
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Yeah. We are thankful for all of you guys for tuning in and for passing it along to friends and giving us reviews. I mean only the high ones, please. And continue to do so because we like making it. So.
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Here's to another year and week and a half.
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We should put this on the calendar.
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Really should. I did put it on the calendar. I'm going to tag you in it.
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Okay, great.
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We'll get it next year. Next year we'll totally get it. Yeah.
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All righty. Hey, shall we get to the very weird news?
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So much weird news. What is going on in your state?
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Well, welcome to Virginia where we have spoken about the Virginia governor's race which is a tends to be treated as a bellwether for what's coming for the two parties in the future. Okay. Abigail Spanberger, who's a Democrat, is running against Winsome Sears, the current lieutenant governor under Glenn Youngkin in the state of Virginia. Virginia is a bluish purplish state. It has about 45% Republicans probably. But it's heavily populated with federal workers, which means in a Doge era can be a little tricky.
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Tough times. Yeah.
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And often the off the out of power party wins. So that would mean Democrats would be likely to win this time around.
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Right.
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Well, we've got quite a story going on in the Virginia race. Quite a story not coming from Abigail Spamberger, who nonetheless has still not denounced any of the gender based scandals at any of the Northern Virginia schools. Because she can't be a bare minimum normie.
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Right.
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Oh, we got another bar. And it's lower, Carol. So this story is about the AG candidate. That's the Attorney General candidate running against Jason Miares, who is the current Republican ag. Yeah, his name is Jay Jones. And National Review broke the other day. Well done, guys. Some text messages that he had sent in 2022 to a fellow delegate, a legislator in Virginia, a Republican woman with whom he had had an argument. And in the text messages, they're rehashing this argument. And she's saying, like, I'm trying to get what you're saying here. Right. And what he's saying is, and I wish this were an exaggeration, we can go to the exact tweets.
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Yeah. What he's saying is right here. Yeah.
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What he's saying is that he wishes death, murder, in fact, upon his political opponents, the Speaker, Republican speaker of the House. Not only that, that he'd do it with two bullets.
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Right.
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And not only that, but that it would be good for his opponent's children to die in their mother's arms to get her to change her views and the speaker to change his political views. Am I exaggerating, Carol?
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You are not. I'm going to read from these tweets because I really do think we need to hear his actual words. He said, if those guys die before me, I will go to their funerals to piss on their graves, send them out awash in something. Now, the person that he's writing to writes J. Jones.
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Like, come on.
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He writes three people, two bullets. Gilbert, Hitler and Pol Pot. That's the comparison here. Gilbert gets two bullets to the head. Spoiler put Gilbert in the crew with the two worst people, you know, and he receives both bullets. Every time the person he's writing with says, jay, please stop. You know, he goes on to say, I've told you this before, only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy. And then he says, I mean, do I think Todd and Jennifer are. And that they're breeding little fascists? Yes. This is just bananas.
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The thing that stuck out to me in your reading of that too is that the Republican he's texting is trying to get him to climb down, totally, like, be normal. And she says at one point he's like, I'm just, you know, hashing this out with you. And she's like, no, you're not. You're telling me that you're hoping for the deaths of the children of this man to change his political views. And he says, yes, period. I have told you that unless people feel personal pain, they will not change on policy.
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Right. And it's. It's just such an insane thing to say and do. It's like, what are you really talking about here? Killing children so that they won't grow up to be people that you disagree with politically? It makes no sense. But what I wanted to say was that, look, there's a larger story here, and Luke Rosiak has a whole thread about it. And he writes the most important part of the J. Jones story is his rage was triggered by the fact that a moderate Republican said nice things about a moderate Democrat. When the Democrat died, that's what caused him to want to shoot the Republican House speaker. The Republican was collegial. I think that is so important because a lot of people are like, well, you know, there's also fringe right wing figures who say crazy things. This is a mainstream story about mainstream people. And the fact that Jay Jones is considered mainstream despite this kind of insane rhetoric is a real problem on the left.
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By the way, a couple. Yes. The idea that you would be triggered by someone giving a eulogy to someone across the aisle to say this is absolutely bonkers, like, psychopathy level stuff, because you might assume, like, oh, well, maybe he's coming from a place of deep emotion. Perhaps there was a shooting and he's very upset about. No, there was a eulogy. Yeah, that's. What's he. What he's upset about. By the way, Jay Jones also just to. This is like a much lower tier issue now. He also was pulled over for doing 116 miles per hour, which of course, for any other Virginian would get you in a lot of trouble. And then he was given, like, community service. And my favorite part of it is that he did his community service for his own pack.
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Right. I mean, just that alone.
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Sleaziest. Sleaziest stuff. He is now running to be the head law enforcement officer of this entire state. Okay, so what's his first reaction to this? His first statement was like, all people I've sent text messages that I regret. And I believe that violent rhetoric has no place in our politics. But he went on to say that smears were being dropped on him by Trump controlled media.
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Right. Is this gonna work?
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Yeah, there was no apology. This was his first reaction when he decided, oh, this probably is gonna be a big story. He did eventually apologize and say, oh, yeah, maybe I shouldn't wish literal murder and the death of your children on this guy. I called him to apologize. Oh, gee, thanks. He is not, however, dropping out of the race and no one in the Democratic Party has asked him to do so, including Abigail Spamberger, who can't be a bare minimum normie, even in this case. Including the other person running on the ticket for Lieutenant governor. Including the national party.
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Yeah.
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Virginia Beach.
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Including the Virginia. Yeah. The Virginia Beach Democrats issued a statement which reaffirms its full support for JP Jones for Attorney General and calls on all Virginians to line up behind Jane Jones.
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Yeah. Another group of Democrats who are in the House of Delegates. So current legislators called him a person of character, compassion and vision.
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Wild.
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Like, to be sure, wishing murder on your opponents is not something we endorse, but we do endorse this person. And the reason they endorse the person is because Miaris is somehow much worse than a guy who endorses murdering children. Political terrorism. So I guess for me, as a right leaning mother in the state of Virginia, this is really rubbing me the wrong way, I gotta say, because the texts reveal now some Democrat hacks have tried to call them a joke. It's not a joke. He wasn't making a joke.
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There was no haha moment.
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He was very serious. Some have termed it bombast. No. Neera Tanden, a national Democrat, when a fellow panelist, not of course the journalist, but a Republican on her panel brought up this issue, said it was, you know, it was a private conversation. Well, it was a private conversation between two legislators about how one of them wanted to shoot another legislator. So like, yeah, kind of work related. But what this is, is an endorsement by a guy who wants to be the top law enforcement officer of a philosophy of political terrorism.
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Right. I feel like that's not the right job for that guy.
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Like, he's like, no, I do think you should hurt people to make them change their policy views.
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Right. Maybe kill their children. Like, who knows? Until they feel that pain, they can't possibly agree with me.
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I'm the mom. I'm the mom he's talking about. I am a right of center person in his state.
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Yeah. It's how incredibly vile. And it's. It's not a mistake. It wasn't a mistake. There was no error here. Charlie Cook made it, you know, tweeted it, made it sound like he had made A typo. Like, all of us have sent tweets, texts we regret. Like, I've never sent a text like that that I regret.
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Nope, nope. Yeah. One of the statements from Democrats was like, you know, he who's without sin. And I was like, on this particular sin, I feel quite comfortable picking up a stone. Like, I.
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This is.
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And what concerns me is that when someone like Neera Tanden says this is just a private conversation, it makes me think that's what her private conversations look like and that her bubble is very comfortable. Talking like this.
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Exactly. Yeah. There's actually a meme about Democrats, like, taking something out of context in the Bible, and it's like, no, I'm not a Christian, and I have nothing but contempt for your backward religious beliefs, but this argument wouldn't work on me, but maybe I can use it on you.
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Yeah. So he's not stepping down. He also, it's worth noting that a couple years ago, he himself called for the Norfolk PD. A Norfolk PD officer's resignation for donating $25 to Kyle Rittenhouse's legal defense fund. So that's the line for someone else that's not on his side, but for him. No, no, no, no, no. There is, of course, an ad about these texts that the Sears campaign has gotten ready to go.
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Yeah.
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Like I said, Spanberger. Spanberger said, oh, to be sure these are bad texts, but made no move to disavow, like, the candidate or to ask him to get off her own ticket. She is sharing with him. Let's play the ad real quick.
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Breaking news from the campaign trail. Jay Jones is under fire.
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Jones is under fire.
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Jay Jones is under fire after Messages.
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He sent 2022 saying former Virginia House Speaker Todd Gilbert should be shot.
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I'm excited about this ticket.
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It's been great to be out on.
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The campaign channel with J. Jones.
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You said Gilbert's wife could watch her.
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Own child die in her arms so.
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That Gilbert might reconsider his political views. We deserve an attorney General who will stand up for the people of Virginia.
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Jones said.
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Quotes Gilbert, Hitler and Pol Pot.
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Gilbert gets two bullets to the head.
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Let your rage fuel you.
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Jones doubled down saying, quote, do I think Todd and Jennifer are evil and that they're breeding little fascists. Yes. How can Virginians trust a man who said something so horrific, so callously? Only when people feel pain, personally, do they move on policy.
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That tagline, reject the insanity, vote Republican, because that is what it is. That is, in a nutshell, what it is like, reject the crazy and vote for the right ticket. It's just, I hope Virginians do the right thing. I know you guys are in a tough election, but this is just such a wild story and really a big tell about where Democrats are. There national Democrats being asked about this? Of course not. Is anybody being asked to condemn him from the national stage? Of course not. That's all reserved for Republicans. And I hope that Virginia sees through this craziness and does the right thing.
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Yeah, I am a little concerned that. I think it was our friend Jeremy Senderowitz sent this to me. Wondered whether this would be one of those things that falls victim to. Voters don't believe it because the Democrats are acting so crazy that they're like, surely he didn't do that. Now, this is why it's helpful to have the texts on the screen in the ad.
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Yeah.
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And I do hope national Republicans that are, I would not say, like, super optimistic about this state perhaps should throw a bunch of money at this particular campaign, because I think it is good for people to know that this is how they think. And I also want to say this. This is a. They learned last time, Virginia Democrats, last time somebody got in trouble for doing something appalling, it was Governor Ralph Northam. And Governor Ralph Northam was found in an old yearbook from law school.
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Not high school, not middle school, law.
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School, from law school. In blackface. Technically. I don't think he ever admitted whether he was the blackface guy or the clan hood guy.
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It could be either one. Yeah.
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In this photo that was for publication, he got in trouble for that. Democrats across the nation in 2021 were like, oh, dear, yes, he needs to step down now. They were reluctant to do this, of course, because he's their guy, but they were like, oh, I guess we don't like the blackface. We have made that quite clear. So he has.
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Yeah.
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They tell him to step down. He's just like, nah, he Blagojevitched it. He was like, I'm not leaving.
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Right.
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He did the moonwalk at a press conference about it. It was wild, y'. All. It was a wild time. Then the reason that the press eventually laid off and that Democrats just shut their mouths and let him serve out his term is because the next guy on the ticket, Justin Fairfax, Lieutenant Governor.
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So good.
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Several. Several allegations of sexual assault and wait for it. Wait for it. The best part, the third person in line, the Democrat ag, Mark Herring, the Democratic AG Also admitted to wearing blackface.
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Incredible. That was just.
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They ran the board. It was blackface. Me, too. Blackface the next person would have been a Republican in line for this seat. So they couldn't let go of of Northam and the press realized this. So they were like never mind, we'll back off of this story. Right. Learned from last time. They're going to tweet right through this and it's up to voters, I think to do the right thing. Although let's give a quick shout out and sorry to the wine moms who are going to suffer through this one. But Joe Scarborough next sitting next to Mika called for him to drop out.
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Here he is, an attorney general candidate.
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In Virginia is apologizing for his texts about a state lawmaker will go through.
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Through probably be forced to withdraw from.
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The race and probably is doing a lot there.
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You were saying, you know the, the little chain of command. New York had a similar one where when Elliot Spitzer resigned because of prostitutes and the next guy, his lieutenant governor who took over like on day one was like by the way, I had an affair. Like just let me get that out there.
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Did you see in that clip how Mika's squirming next to Joe? Yeah. Like because they don't want any foothold on this because they know it's appalling. Even though like I said, I get the sense that a lot of their group chats are full of this stuff.
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Right.
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Which mine are not mine or not.
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Yeah, same. I don't have anybody in my group chats wishing death to anyone. It's just such a low bar. But all of my friends clear it.
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Yes. Congratulations everyone.
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Thank you.
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Guy Benson. I wanted to just tack this on here because it's on the theme of political violence. Right. Which we get a lot of lectures about. And Guy just collected from the other day, one the J. Jones story where he wrote down that the pain of these deaths and murdering children and his colleague might help change people's policy positions. Then he notes too a development in the case of a leftist would be assassin of a conservative Supreme Court justice who traveled across the country heavily armed with the stated intent of murdering up to three right leaning justices because he was angry about their abortion jurisprudence. The leftist judge in the case rejected a prosecutor's request for a multi decade sentence, giving the defense team the very lenient sentence they'd sought. It was eight years. Yeah, because. And it's in writing. In her reasoning, the leftist judge cited the criminal's trans identity as a factor and expressed happiness that the assassination plot and its aftermath helped with the criminals family therapy randomly together.
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Like what, what?
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And then he, he adds two more. By the way, this is one day of news stories.
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Yeah.
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Number three, a violent leftist attack on ICE officers where they were rammed in Chicago. We don't know all the details yet, but it surely seems that they were surrounded and asked for Chicago PD help. And Chicago PD help. We do have the receipts on this. Was told not to respond.
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Stand down. Yeah.
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And number four, on the October 7th anniversary, Ilia Shapiro is supposed to speak at NYU, a right leaning, previously canceled by Georgetown lawyer and a friend of ours. And NYU is like, we can't give you security from all the threats from us, so you have to, our people.
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Might hurt you, so we have to cancel your speech.
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So it feels not great.
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No, it doesn't. It doesn't feel good. It really will go to show where conservatives are in this country. And the thing is, you know, Trump loves to talk about his overwhelming win in the last election, but it actually was an overwhelming win. He won every single swing state. You know, anybody who points out that the popular vote was not quite as landslidy as Trump will have you believe they don't campaign for the popular vote. So we have no idea how many more people would have voted for Trump. So I would say that right of center is the majority and we are treated like this fringe group that needs to be put down. It's a real problem.
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Like this is how you deal with people like that. That's, that's what concerns me is like he looks at a right leaning mom and her husband and their children and he's like, worse than Pol Pot.
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Yeah, Both bullets.
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That's a problem. That's a problem for me.
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Yeah.
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Well, we'll be right back with more on normally and The Changes at CBS.
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We are back on normally with some media news. Bari Weiss of the Free Press has become the editor in chief at CBS for News. And this is a huge deal. It's very funny that she's back in the mainstream media world. She very publicly left the New York Times talking about how they didn't have any kind of real journalist, you know, force anymore over there. She said that a consensus had emerged in the press and at the paper that the truth isn't a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job it is to inform everyone else. She left the Times in a blaze of glory, started the Free Press. Free Press is extremely successful and now Paramount has purchased it and hired her to run the CBS newsroom. I love it. I love it. And it's crazy because so many people are like, I can't believe CBS got this right winger. Bari Weiss is a left leaning moderate. Like, but you know, maybe, maybe just regular moderate if you don't want to go with left leaning. Like, she is in no way a right winger on no planet. And again, these people need to understand that they're calling more than half the country this fringe element. And we're simply not. And I love that Barry is in this role. I think it's terrific. Iowa Hawk Blog tweets Mutiny reported at CBS as journalists fear erosion of standards undercoming Bari Weiss Reign of terror. But first, a look into how the right wing is pouncing on the humorous text messages. Musings of an inspiring Virginia Attorney General candidate.
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Exactly.
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So good.
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No, I'm excited for her. I think it's well deserved. There of course will be an uprising in cbs and I think your point is well taken about Bari Weiss's politics. Right. And this is actually an indication if the overwhelmingly insane leftist media could read it accurately. It is an endorsement of the rights tolerance. Yeah, that most of us are rejoicing for the successful, fair, lesbian, left leaning, somewhat heterodox thinker who runs the Free Press and ran it so well that a bunch of people paid actual money to sign up to get it.
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I am people. I paid.
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I pay as well. We're excited to have her at the helm of something large. You know, my only concern is that she, you know, that the, the good vibes run towards CBS. CBS's bad vibes don't come over to the Free Press. Right, but like that, when I say, like when we get involved in culture wars, what I want is to bully people into neutrality. That's all I'm looking for. Like, I don't actually Want to bully you into my.
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Gotta get a shirt. Bully. I bully people into neutrality.
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That's all I'm looking for. And I feel like Barry Wise and CBS is a. Is a step in that direction. I did enjoy that. Brian Stelter tweets. CBS News desperately needs someone to supercharge its digital strategy. Maybe the Free Press can help. But staffers reading this morning's memos are left to wonder, what exactly do the new bosses think we're doing wrong?
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Again, not having people read you.
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She created a product that people pay actual cash money for.
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Like CBS can't give it any.
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And. And I noted, you know what? Probably nothing, Brian. They're probably fine and have nothing to learn from this media entity that did all of that that we just explained. The hue and cry is another indication that they're exactly what Barry said they were when she left the New York Times. And I also want to shout out to Bari Weiss and crew for doing something that I do think is really important and great for the public square that is overlooked. And one of the reasons that I read the Free Press is their treatment of Americans of faith, of all faiths, but people who take their religion seriously is respectful and interesting. And she turns over stories of, like, revivals on college campuses, Muslim parents in Montgomery county suing to make sure that their kids can opt out of LGBT content. Like these things are interesting and important to.
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There's a curiosity that doesn't feel completely ideological. I often don't know the ideology of the person I'm reading at the Free Press. And that's huge because, look, you know, you could really tell with some of the mainstream organizations what the news, where the news is coming from.
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Yeah. So a CBS News that incentivizes curiosity. Great.
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I love it. It's been a big week for now. It can be told. Our favorite segment of media. Do you have a story for us?
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I do. The Washington Post opinion page or Opinion editorial writers. So the official voice of the Washington Post a last week was like, yeah, Democrats actually shut down the government. That was them. In today's editorial, we have an admission that's really important. That something I knew a long time ago that the real problem is that the Affordable Care act was never actually affordable.
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Can't believe it.
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It goes on to say President Obama said, I know. President Barack Obama's signature achievement allowed people to buy insurance on marketplaces with subsidies based on their income. The architects of the program assumed that risk pools would be bigger than they turned out to be, even though I told them they would not be in a bunch of us did. As a result, policies cost more than expected. It goes on to explain that indeed, these like Covid era extended subsidies they're trying to get are wildly inflated. They're for rich people, they're for double enrollees. They're for people who don't know they're enrolled in Obamacare. And they're nonsense. But, you know, I guess join the party. It's been since 2009. I can't even do the math on how many years.
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That is a lot of years. I was told there'd be no math on this show. So give me like five minutes, I can get there.
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I feel like I knew this in 2005.
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I feel like now it can be told I have one. Also the also at the Washington Post. Apparently it turns out that as feds probe DC crime stats, some police are eager to help build a case that the supervisors have been downplaying violent crime numbers. And it was in an effort to make the city seem safer. And all of us called it. Literally everybody said that this was happening. Obviously they couldn't admit that because that would mean Donald Trump was right and Donald Trump could never be proven right. But some rank and file DC officers and detectives have complained for months, in some cases years, that managers were recording serious crimes as minor ones to make their police districts appear safer or avoid the ire of top department brass. That is so nuts because it's also such gaslighting. People are like, my neighborhood is crime ridden. And they're like, no, it's not. Don't pay any attention to your own eyes. I know you know a lot of people who had crimes committed against them. But let us show you our official numbers as to say there's no crime at all. It's totally fine.
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I do love it how the left and like left leaning commentators just sort of alight on these conclusions. Six, six months to 10 years after we have. And they're like, okay, yeah, so like, I mean we totally knew this. Like smart people always knew this. Right.
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Obviously.
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And like they don't address the fact that they lied to you about it.
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Yeah, forever. It's just like, you know, some police are saying.
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It'S very frustrating.
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It really is. We will be right back with more on Normally where we mock a New York Times piece about divorce. Sort of. Be right back.
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We are back on normally with a column in the New York Times that says, what does Gen Z divorce look like? I can't wait to hear. Do you want to tell us about it?
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Yeah, let me just give you the opening. Actually.
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Can't wait to hear you pronounce the name of this person. So please, please proceed. Her title. Her title.
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In 2021, Kira Benson, a violinist living in Seattle, knew it was time to get a divorce. Ending their two year, quote, lavender marriage wasn't an easy decision, but the musician had a supportive ally. Quote, if you have to dump your ex husband, mix, am I MX?
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That's what I was waiting to hear. Is it MX mix?
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McSpinson said, I don't know. I'm not in a public elementary school. How would I know how to say that?
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Okay, I better. I bet my kids would know from their. From their time in Brooklyn.
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So McSpinson said, Co dump him with his mistress before the breakup. McSpinson, 27, who uses the pronoun, they checked in with their therapist who said a divorce would be a, quote, good choice. Out of queer solidarity. They informed their husbands, quote, mistress, this was kosher and McSpinson's arrangement, which was not a legal marriage, but a domestic partnership, about their shared partner's troubling behavior. The night of the breakup, McSpinson and the mistress spent a cozy evening together. We were eating a lot of comfort food, playing a lot of Animal Crossing. I am having an aneurysm.
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What is going on?
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This isn't a divorce, right?
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Yeah, my. My friend John Cardillo. I don't share private texts, but I don't think he'll mind this one. When we were discussing this. This column, he said, so, quote, they divorced someone, quote, they never married, which is what. And then the Times had a piece about it.
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Yeah, I mean, if the Gen Z divorce looks like that, it's probably a pretty easy process. That's called a breakup. Yeah.
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I divorce thee. I divorce thee. I divorce thee. Yes.
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It goes on to like, report a couple of other slightly more normal people getting divorced, but it says that Gen Z prizes speed. They want to get out of these marriages quickly. They're often short with no children and no property. That's more Gen Z trends happening there. Often divorce is about rebranding, which I do think there is this tendency to turn your divorce into content, which I'm torn on this because on one hand it can help because people have been through a tough thing and they're seeing your content, they're thinking like, maybe that's what it could look like for me.
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But rebranding.
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But it's a lot to be putting out there. There's also the theory that the COVID generation is more comfortable with upheaval because they're like, everything got tossed in the air anyway. So why does this marriage need to stay here forever?
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I don't like it. I don't like it either.
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Also, a lot of them are just throuples that are in domestic partnerships. So that's not really divorce.
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Yeah, this poor guy lost his wife and his mistress and they're like playing video games and having a cozy evening. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I'm too old for this shit.
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We are too old for it. It is true. Yeah, it doesn't sound fulfilling, I'll tell you that.
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No, it doesn't. Nothing about this is like, ooh, I want to go get this. Like, nothing aspirational about it.
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That Everyman opening. I do love that the New York Times is like, this is it. This is the anecdote that will really resonate with everyone.
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Mix Mick Spencer.
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Best to you, Mick Spencen. Good luck with that in your future endeavors.
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Thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get in touch with us@ normallythepodmail.com thanks for listening. And when things get weird, act normally.
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