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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Normally Podcast: Media Bias, Miami Elections & Erika Kirk’s Strength
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Host 1
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Mary Coppingham
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Mary Coppingham
Hey guys, we are back on Normally the show with normalish takes for when the news gets weird. I am Mary Coppingham.
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Carol Markowitz
And I'm Carol Markowitz. How's it going over there? Mary Katherine it's all right.
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Mary Coppingham
I don't know. I don't think I mentioned this, but my kids did me so dirty this week.
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Carol Markowitz
Oh, what'd they do?
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Mary Coppingham
They posed really nicely for a picture. And now I have to do a Christmas card.
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Carol Markowitz
Oh, yeah, great. Because I'm still suffering with what I'm writing on mine.
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Mary Coppingham
I decided not to write anything. I was like, yeah, c' est la vie.
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Carol Markowitz
Go tomorrow. I don't know. I. I did that last year and a lot of people were like, oh, I missed a little story about your kids. And I don't know. Yeah, we'll see.
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Mary Coppingham
Writing is hard.
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Carol Markowitz
Writing is very hard. We were just saying that right before the show began. Talking far easier than writing. Writing is difficult and it's. Yeah, hard. So we're not going to get totally into this because this isn't one of our topics, but a lot of people are asking what we think about the Miami mayoral race going to a Democrat. And we had talked about it on the show before.
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And I think we should just get into it a little bit. So I would just say what I've said previously on the show is the Miami mayor is not like the New York mayor. It's not like this huge big deal mayor. It's a few neighborhoods. It's Miami city. Nevertheless, it's not great that a seat that had been Republican for a very long time and again, fairly liberal Republican, but still Republican, has now gone to a Democrat. Two things about this. One, it's an off year election. Democrats are more motivated. We talk about that on here all the time. Two, they don't actually run under a party. So it's not even like you can say, oh, there was a party line thing. Although, you know, maybe Democrats came out and voted for her anyway. But Eileen Higgins is the new going to be the new mayor of the city of Miami. Now, again, this is only a few neighborhoods. It does not include, for example, people think of Miami, they think of south beach, they have a Republican mayor. Surfside, they have a Republican mayor. It's just, you know, Sunny Isles, they have a Republican mayor. Bay harbor, they have a Republican mayor. These are all the different areas of Miami under the Miami Dade umbrella. So this is just one part of it.
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Mary Coppingham
There are many Miamis.
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Carol Markowitz
There are many, many Miamis.
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Mary Coppingham
Who knew? I do think this is like, you know, it doesn't portend great things. Right. There was also another special election for this is a state based House representative in Georgia, not a U.S. house. Um, but he, the Republican lost a seat there that in 2024 he had won by some 20 plus points.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah.
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Mary Coppingham
And it was a district that was plus 12 in 2024. And he was just edged out by the Democrats. So that is. You know, there's obvious energy here from Democrats. There are obvious issues for Republicans that if they are not on top of addressing and if they are intent on pretending, don't exist.
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Carol Markowitz
Yes.
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Mary Coppingham
You'll get more of this.
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Carol Markowitz
Right. The message of these races has to be the Republican Party has to get the voters more motivated. There is something to be said for. We just had a presidential election last year. The Republican candidate won. Republican candidates are on cruise control a little bit. Not candidates. Republican voters are on cruise control a little bit. The party needs to work on that. The president needs to work on that. We need to have the messaging be. We need you to come out and vote again. It's time. It's time to come back out. Let's go.
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Mary Coppingham
Let's make it happen every two years, guys. That's how it works. So. But you gotta. I. Look, it is the business of convincing people over and over and over again.
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Carol Markowitz
Over and over again.
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Yeah. All right, let's get back into what our first topic of the day is. It's actually a combination of two of our things. Now it can be told and still mad, bro. It's.
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Mary Coppingham
It's.
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Carol Markowitz
It's a topic made for us. So it turns out that youth mental health suffered because schools stayed closed and improved when schools reopened.
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Mary Coppingham
No way.
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Carol Markowitz
Who could have guessed this?
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Mary Coppingham
I can't imagine who figured this out. Yeah, I'm glad we have this new evidence. As if we didn't know that. Like, there were very real social costs to social isolation before this. Like, this is the thing that bothered me about COVID is that no one did risk analysis. Instead, they went all in, just in on infection as. As if that were the only risk in the world. And it's as if we knew nothing about human behavior up until that moment. So then they were just like, no screens for seven hours a day is fine for kids. And stay in your house all day is totally fine. We don't have any refuting evidence for that. It's like your brain. Your brain's the refuting evidence.
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Carol Markowitz
But also it was evidence that they themselves had produced before. That's really what it is. It's that the same people who had made the evidence to say this stuff is bad, like screens or not seeing faces for babies or that kind of thing, then reversed themselves because they were told to. Basically, it was like, no, now you have to change what you thought before. And they. They. It was just a big lie. And when you have a, a result that you want and you change the evidence to get to that result, that is not science. And that's what we were saying the whole time, is that none of this is science based. None of this has any basis in factual. You're just telling us what the teachers unions want you to say. And that doesn't fly. This is also, this was a study of nearly 200,000 California schoolchildren who have private insurance. So this is already not the poorest segment of the population is who I think has been absolutely ignored throughout this whole process. Actually, I was on America's Newsroom today and I felt myself getting angry talking about this topic. I know, like, I am still mad, bro. And I really, I like, started getting like, you know, the poorest kids were held back from going to school. I just remember all the rich parents around me sending their kids to private school or going to their beach house and sending to the open public schools there or whatever. And the poorest kids had nobody saying anything. And the teachers union stopped those schools from opening the longest, you know, going back to California. The truth is that the private schools opened months and months before the public schools. Gavin Newsom's kids got to go to school well before the public school kids got to go to school. So it just, it really still pisses me off and I don't know if I'm ever going to get over that.
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Mary Coppingham
Yeah, I like, also, they continue to give themselves an out. Right. So the headline on this New York Times coverage of this study, which was produced by the journal Epidemiology, says youth mental health improved when schools reopened. Study fines. With the end of school shutdowns, children's mental health appointments fell sharply, though other factors may have contributed. There's also inside here a quote from one of the doctors who was involved in this. This is definitely a piece of evidence that I wish we'd had at the beginning of the pandemic to inform the conversations we were having. A lot of people knew this badly. We were saying it. Yeah, we were saying it. There was evidence, as you point out, that the very same elite organizations had studied in the past. There was also specific study of kids who missed school for a long period of time due to Katrina when they were displaced, that the NPR reporter who famously wrote the now it can be Told book on school closings that she didn't report on very much while she was at npr. Education reporter. She noted that there was a study available for this that was like, oh, yeah, this is real bad for students. Yes, yes, and by the way, this cop out where they're like, I wish we'd had this information known. Yeah, you could check Georgia or Texas or Florida or Europe or.
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Carol Markowitz
I was gonna say, right, Europe opens in the summer of 20. Come on, do the cardi b eyes. The, you know, you, you can see with your eyes, the European children are not dropping dead. And that we knew, we knew. And the other thing, I'm just gonna continue to be angry about this. And another thing, and one more thing. We knew since the beginning that older people were at most at risk for this virus. We knew that March 2020. I have evidence that I was saying that in March 2020. And I'm nobody. So we knew that the kids were out of school when the elderly population went back to like seeing shows and going to restaurants and just, you know, being right up in each other's faces. And the kids stay still, stayed out of school. It was a political calculation. It was all about politics. It was all about what Randy Weingarten wanted and that's what, what went wrong here. I do appreciate that the author of this New York Times piece about the study does mention that fall of that year many private and public schools, mostly in Republican led states, reopened. So it was a political thing. And guess who thinks that somebody else is responsible for this. Mary Katherine. Here's Randy Weingarten looking for somebody to blame.
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I do wonder what you think, like.
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Mary Coppingham
Looking back to that tumultuous period of.
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Carol Markowitz
Time, do you think that teacher unions and Democrats have done enough self examination and the role they played in pandemic school closures?
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Mary Coppingham
Like, were there mistakes made? Yeah, of course there were. And there were mistakes made by everyone. There was huge mistakes made by the Trump administration to not be clear, to not focus on safety as they were focusing on reopening it. Reopening became political, not became something that we all should have prioritized.
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Carol Markowitz
Reopening became political. It was you, ma'. Am.
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Mary Coppingham
It was you. It was you. She does this dance every time where she, as they all did, she's like, I wanted to open. I just wanted to open safely, right? And the safely meant give me many, many, many billions of dollars. Yeah, me, first place in the vaccine line, then I won't go back to school. Also give me more billions and the safety that I'm going to set the bar for cannot possibly be reached by 90% of schools will never be met. Yeah, that was what she did. That was what she did. If you look at the map that she offered under the strictures that she offered. When they came and wrote policy for the Biden administration, it was unattainable. The point was to say we want to open and to not allow reopening. That's what she did. And by the way, can I read some of the specifics here?
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah.
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Mary Coppingham
The study, published on Monday, tracked medical claims for 185,000 privately insured children ages 5 to 18. Nine months after schools reopened, the probability that a child would be seen by a provider for a mental health condition was reduced by 43%. The authors found spending on mental health medications decreased by 7.5% and spending on other treatments like therapy decreased by 10%. The improvements were more striking among girls, which is something we always hear about mental health challenges. These are the prices we paid for, frankly, the ransom that Randy Weingarten wanted and got, by the way, in your taxpayer money. Because while this was happening, it's not just mistakes were made. People like us who were pointing out that the NPR reporter had written in June, Anya Kamenetz is her name, she had written in June about kids of essential workers gathering at YMCAs and ways they had mitigated spread and that there hadn't been not a dang infection that came from the kids of essential workers in these spaces. We all knew if you wanted to figure it out, you could have figured it out. And we're pointing out that this is real and it's happening in Europe and Britain. And they're calling us like human sacrifice people.
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Carol Markowitz
That's what they wanted, teachers to die. Yeah, that was the other thing. Like, you know, Randy Weingarten doesn't have school, doesn't have kids in the public, public school system.
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Host 1
We did.
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Carol Markowitz
You and I did what? Did we not care if our kids were going to die? Of course we cared. You know, I think we cared maybe a little bit more than Randy Weingarten did. So the fact that we had seen the data, seen what Europe was doing, seen what was happening in certain states, we didn't make a ridiculous decision to want our kids to go back to school. And, you know, for both of us, it changed a lot of things going forward. And the way that we looked at the public school systems where we live, so, you know, we're not alone in that. Randi Weingarten, as people like to say, is the biggest school choice advocate in the country. She really is, really does push people out of public schools and into private schools, and they end up, you know, petitioning their governments to have school vouchers and all of that. She's at the forefront of that, you know, revolution. Congratulations, Randy.
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Mary Coppingham
I would say she's done far more than I have for the cause and I guess in that way I appreciate her. But this, the gaslighting continues to this day about what they did, which is say, say we want schools open, make it impossible for them to open. And the very credulous allies in the press were like, yeah, no, they want them open. They want em open. No, another thing they did, by the way, I just can end like.
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Carol Markowitz
And one more thing, another thing they.
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Mary Coppingham
Did was, was say, well, the communities, the marginalized communities that you're talking about that we are allegedly disadvantaging by having schools closed. They don't want to open. And you did see in polling that many minority families were more worried about infection than others, perhaps because they had generational households, all sorts of things. But what you also found is once schools opened in an area and you saw that no one was dropping dead, everyone wanted to go back. Yes.
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Carol Markowitz
So it was right.
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Mary Coppingham
It was a spiral created and sustained by school boards and teachers unions.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah. All right. They're not going to get away with this. Not on normally. Not on this show. No, we're going to keep talking about it. We'll be right back with more on normally.
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Guest/Advertiser
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Mary Coppingham
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Guest/Advertiser
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Carol Markowitz
You know what? I can see you as Mr. Darcy. You got a little Colin Firth.
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Carol Markowitz
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Host 1
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Mary Coppingham
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Carol Markowitz
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Mary Coppingham
All right, we are back with the media's newest line of attack on Donald Trump, which. Woo. It's a doozy. Yeah, he's old, Carol. They're gonna. They're gonna do the investigation on an old president now.
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Carol Markowitz
Have we had an old president before? I can't remember.
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Mary Coppingham
It's never happened.
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Host 1
Right.
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Mary Coppingham
Never happened.
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Carol Markowitz
So the Atlantic has a piece called the Enfeebling of the President. Trump is showing signs that he's lost the physical stamina to do the job. And our friend Tom Bevin at RCP tweeted this and said, unbelievable balls by media orgs to push this stuff. After four years of gaslighting the public over Joe Biden, there's another piece in the New York Times by Frank Bruni. Is Sleepy Donald the new Sleepy Joe? Was there an old Sleepy Joe? I missed the story on that?
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Mary Coppingham
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you guys do that story? Does Frank have an op ed on that? Because I don't think he does he? Yes. Frank says at a Cabinet meeting last Tuesday, President Trump didn't merely close his eyes and achieve a droopy stillness universally recognized as a vertical nap. He did so during a gathering Convened, at least in part, so he could bathe in his acolytes. Flattery. They batted their eyes at him. He might want to think twice about letting the television cameras in next time. And he says it's giving us presidential deja vu. He's starting to give President Joe Biden vibes. I. Of all the criticisms you can make of Donald Trump.
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Carol Markowitz
I know. Yeah.
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Mary Coppingham
And there are many.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah.
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Mary Coppingham
The. The one about his energy level.
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Carol Markowitz
It's higher than mine.
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Mary Coppingham
That's not it.
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Carol Markowitz
He. He actually has more vigor than I do. Often am. Like, this guy, he really doesn't sleep, and I really like sleep. So he and I just can't align on this. They keep talking about the MRI that he had in October. The Atlantic piece goes over it again, that we don't know what he had the MRI on. And I don't know, he seems more than fine. Like, get him on something else. Get him on being abrasive. Get him on, you know, being rude. Any of the. Any of those things. Fine. But yes, on lack of energy is just something I don't see them pinning on him. Especially again, after ignoring the last guy completely and telling us that we were crazy for thinking that that guy wasn't qualified or wasn't up to the run.
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Mary Coppingham
No, it's a. But it's a classic media ploy, right? Which is like, oh, no, we're on the case just only for the people who we dislike. That's it. That's the rule. And this is why it's. You know, many conservatives get understandably, extremely frustrated with this double standard because the media will suddenly pretend that this very big issue, the fitness of the president, the mental fitness of the president, is a very big and important issue that they cannot ignore. It would be irresponsible. And it's like, where were you? Where were you? We know exactly where you were. You were hiding it for four years and you lied to everybody. And this trust deficit has a lot of downstream, really bad effects. Not just with the. The media trust deficit, but every major institution that insisted on lying to us about many things in 2020.
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Carol Markowitz
Yep. And those lies are still reverberating now because nobody believes anything anymore. Nobody believes anyone anymore. The conspiracy, nutty culture that we're in right now is a direct result of that. I think back to all the lies we were told. And this is why nobody believes anything anymore. But, okay, the Atlantic piece, you know, the writer is like, the meeting was really boring. I'm also not interested in sitting through several hours worth of secretaries delivering obsequious praise, but they're doing it for his benefit. If he wants more efficient meetings, he has the power to make it so during one. And the thing is, it's written so, like, how much he hates these people. During one moment, Secretary of State Marco Rubio prattled on about how only Trump could achieve a ceasefire in Gaza, which, by the way, is true. Trump himself slumped slowly forward with his eyes closed and sat up before his eyelids fluttered again. The President did rouse himself at the end of the meeting, finding the energy for a racist rant about Somalis. I. I'm sorry. Like, it's just, you know, the idea that everything that these people do is bad and you need to constantly be, you know, pummeling them for. Rubio prattled on. Marco Rubio prattled on. I've never been prattle, ever.
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Mary Coppingham
I. I actually watched that meeting and he definitely didn't prattle. It is again, even if you hate Donald Trump.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah. And they do.
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Mary Coppingham
Having media availabilities and open Cabinet meetings on a regular basis is greater than not doing those things. Even if you don't like the way that people talk in the meeting, guess what? You're in the room, you get to report on it. These are things that Biden did not offer, period.
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Carol Markowitz
And they didn't care. They didn't care that Biden never talked to them, ever. He was never allowing media to be anywhere near him because then they would know the truth, which they already knew. Because we could all see it again. I mean, you want to do the eyes again? We could do two cardi. Eyes in one eye. See with the eye.
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Mary Coppingham
Well, so that's my thing. My thing, too is like, you could see this in polling where like 85% of voters six months before the press ever dealt with it were like, yeah, he's too old for a second term.
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Carol Markowitz
Yep.
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Mary Coppingham
Everyone could see it. It was majorities of Democrats, I want to say 65 to 70% of Democrats said this. And the press was just like, la.
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Host 1
La, la, la, la.
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Mary Coppingham
That is not true. And that doesn't work. And I do love to watch Nate Silver periodically lose his mind at Neera Tandon over this. Neera Tanden was a Biden administration highly placed official who no doubt hid all of this, no doubt knew about it, and yet she will be on X, like, ooh, that president is looking quite old. Can you tell from a distance now, Neera, when you couldn't tell in the room before?
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah, I had a 2021 column called, there's something wrong with the President.
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Mary Coppingham
We all Knew.
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Carol Markowitz
Come on. Everybody called it, though. I don't even feel like I was unique among that. I think we were all like, there's something really wrong with this guy.
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Mary Coppingham
Yeah. Should we call this podcast We All Knew?
- [25:34]
Carol Markowitz
We All Knew all along.
- [25:36]
Mary Coppingham
Many things. We Knew many things.
- [25:39]
Carol Markowitz
We'll be right back with more on Normally and Widow Defense. We are still on it.
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Mary Coppingham
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Mary Coppingham
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Mary Coppingham
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- [27:48]
Host 1
Stay cozy, stay home and save big online during Lowe's December deal drops. Because honestly, why go anywhere when the deals come to you, check this out, Lowe's is going to give you two free select tools from dewalt, Craftsman or Cobalt when you buy a select battery or combo kit. Yep, two tools free. It's basically a holiday miracle. Plus, rewards members get free standard shipping all month long. Yet another reason not to leave your couch. Kick back, click around, let the savings roll in. Shop New December deal drops on Lowes.com every week. This month, fresh deals, cozy vibes, zero effort.
- [28:23]
Mary Coppingham
The holidays are back at Starbucks. So share the season with a peppermint.
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Host 1
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Mary Coppingham
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All right, we're back on normally with an occasional segment which I wish wasn't necessary, and that is widow defense. Erica Kirk is once again taking criticism because she is in public, out and about, talking, smiling, laughing things, defending Turning Point usa, the legacy of her husband. And people don't like that. They don't like it. They think it portends that she didn't really care about seemly. Yeah, I hate this argument. Widows, as I know very well, having been widowed myself, function. They raise their children, they smile, they go out, they do things. And they should because you want them learning to go about life again. I think that Erica Kirk has done it in a really kind of stunningly strong way. And I almost think this happened with me a bit too. I almost think strength, which by the way, I think is a gift of her faith and was with me. Strength sort of works against you because if you're not looking crushed all the time for people, they think that that's somehow suspicious. I want to note this guy John Pavlovitz tweeted today, I've had paper cuts that look that took longer to heal than Erica Kirk.
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Carol Markowitz
What an a hole.
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Mary Coppingham
What a jerk. And hold on, wait for it. His bio is this author of if God Is Love, don't be a Jerk. Like, seriously, dude, the book, my friend. Hey, I have a book recommendation for you. It is especially for someone who claims to be religious as he does. It's really. The bar is so low not to publicly castigate a widow with two young children, right?
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Carol Markowitz
It's like, like if you're going to judge someone, just do it in your head. Like, why do you need to tell everybody this? And that's another thing. I think that people just have stopped having inside thoughts. Like sometimes you could just think something and not share it with your followers. It's really possible. It's been Done.
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Mary Coppingham
It is. I spoke to some of this on America's Newsroom the other day, particularly the argument you get from some people that Erica Kirk is a public figure, therefore everything is in bounds. Here's what I had to say about that. Yeah, I think it's really fitting that Charlie's message that he left behind is not bare knuckle politics or even ideology, but pointing people toward God and toward a practical way of practicing their faith. I think that's what he was very much into, particularly at the end of his life. And Erica is stepping into those shoes to communicate that as well. When she notes that people don't know you people don't know what's going on behind the scenes, I just want to note when she takes incoming and takes criticism about how she's living her life because she is out there and she is a public figure. She's a public figure now because her husband was murdered in cold blood and because she, she believes in his legacy. And she, because she wants to speak about it, because she smiles or speaks well, that means she's powerful. She's a powerful woman of faith. And she is being given power to do this from a, from a God who loves her. And people don't understand that many. The life she lives behind the scenes, she's probably shielding us from a lot of her innermost feelings. And I really, as somebody who was widowed myself with two young children, I admire the strength she's showing and the, the way that she's had to step into these shoes and to do this and frankly, to do battle against darker forces who are trying to speak about Charlie's legacy themselves. She's the person to do it and she's doing a great job.
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Carol Markowitz
She really is. That's the thing. Like, I root for her. I root for TP usa and it's like if Charlie could see that some of the people that he considered friends are taking a sledgehammer to his organization and criticizing his wife and throwing her under the bus like this. Like, I just, I can't believe what he would say. I just imagine him seeing this and just being devastated at how this all turned out.
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Mary Coppingham
No, it's very, it's really shocking. And I think the trust deficit that we talked about earlier, where many people have been betrayed by major institutions and media and frankly, the AI world is going to make it even harder for us to know what is true and what is not, combined with the attention economy has created some of the worst incentives and actors I have ever seen in my life. I have known many widows, many of them are treated very badly. People get in legal fights. They get in fights over property and legacy and all sorts of things. They're shunned from their former families. Like all sorts of bad stuff happens because grief is really hard for people. But I've never seen what the Candace Owens and et al are pulling with Erica Kirk. And it's really, really wrong. And we have to use our discernment to decide when asking questions isn't just asking questions right.
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Carol Markowitz
Asking really stupid questions is not actually the way to get to the bottom of anything.
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Mary Coppingham
Yeah.
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Carol Markowitz
You know, maroon shirts and Egyptian planes and I don't know, French and Mossad agents and just it's stupid. It is stupidity. And if you're falling for it, I urge you to get help. Talk to somebody, go to people you care about and say, I've been following Candace Owens and she says, and see what they say about it. If they really care about you, they're going to try to talk you down from it.
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Mary Coppingham
Well, and there, as Erica notes and I think she's right. She says she follows Charlie's rule on this by not always answering each charge. And I think that's probably the correct spiritual decision for her that she doesn't have to get. She's been admirably above the fray this entire time, whether the left or the former friends of the right are talking about her. I think she's done the right thing. So she talks about that. And she but she also noted what she wants is justice and one way to achieve that is not to taint the jury pool with a giant conspiracy theory flood that makes it harder to get justice. So I pray for her just in her daily life and everything she's doing. And we will always be on greater defense here at Normalely.
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Carol Markowitz
Well thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays and you could subscribe anywhere you get your your podcast. Get in touch with us@ normallythepodmail.com we're going to have a special Ask Us Anything episode, two of them at the end of the year. So please send us your questions, anything you want answered on those shows. Thanks for listening. And when things get weird, act normally.
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