Normally Podcast: Security, Sanity, and the Supreme Court

Summary

Summary of "Normally Podcast: Security, Sanity, and the Supreme Court"

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
• Episode: Normally Podcast: Security, Sanity, and the Supreme Court
• Release Date: July 10, 2025
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
• Description: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into critical news, politics, and current events with intelligence and humor, addressing topics from the border crisis to cancel culture and far-left missteps.

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1. Rising Violence Against ICE Agents

Timestamp: [03:18] – [15:42]

Mary Kazanahim and Kathleen Turner open the discussion by highlighting a severely underreported surge in violent actions targeting Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents in Texas. They cite specific incidents, such as the July 4th attack in Alvarado, Texas, where a group identified as a North Texas Antifa terror cell attempted to murder federal officers. This group was equipped with multiple rifles, pistols, body armor, and escape vehicles, signaling a premeditated and dangerous conspiracy. A local police officer survived a neck wound during this assault.

Notable Quotes:

• Kathleen Turner: "These people have been charged federally with attempted murder and they also face local charges." [04:54]
• Mary Kazanahim: "People are trying to kill ICE agents. It's really bad." [06:33]

The hosts further discuss community sentiments, revealing that some Democratic constituents are urging their representatives to adopt more aggressive stances against ICE, even advocating for violence to "protect democracy."

Notable Quotes:

• Kathleen Turner: "A Democratic lawmaker told Axios... 'civility isn't working, end civility.'" [09:05]
• Mary Kazanahim: "They want blood. And if it's going to be Democrats' blood, that's also fine with them." [08:09]

2. Public Opinion on Immigration Enforcement

Timestamp: [10:28] – [15:42]

Transitioning to public sentiment, Nate Brigazzi presents polling data indicating a majority of Americans support the deportation of all illegal immigrants. Multiple reputable sources, including The New York Times, Marquette, CBS News, and ABC News, consistently reflect that over 55% of respondents favor strict immigration enforcement.

Notable Quotes:

• Nate Brigazzi: "55% of the New York Times, Marquette, 64% CBS News, 57% ABC News... Majority of Americans... want to deport all immigrants who are here illegally." [10:28]

Mary and Kathleen critique the Biden administration's immigration policies, suggesting that the influx of millions crossing the border has led to significant public dissatisfaction. They argue that Democrats have misjudged the electorate's stance, resulting in policies that do not align with the majority's preferences.

Notable Quotes:

• Kathleen Turner: "In the 60s, over 60% of Americans in some polls want to deport all illegal immigrants. That's startling." [11:35]
• Mary Kazanahim: "A giant miscalculation by the Biden administration... opposite direction." [12:02]

3. California's Stance on Transgender Athletes and Legal Battles

Timestamp: [20:37] – [24:43]

The conversation shifts to California's ongoing conflict with federal mandates regarding transgender athletes in sports. The Supreme Court's recent 8-1 decision allows the Biden administration to instruct federal agencies to plan workforce reductions, which Mary and Kathleen interpret as detrimental governance.

Notable Quotes:

• Mary Kazanahim: "Harmeet Dhillon is conducting the fo part of the equation for California... transgender athletes competing against their biological sex." [21:06]
• Kathleen Turner: "Newsom... 'following existing state law'. Shut up and do the right thing." [22:27]

They criticize Governor Gavin Newsom for not enforcing federal guidelines, labeling California's defiance as a blatant disregard for the law. The hosts argue that such actions undermine democratic principles and advocate for stronger federal oversight.

Notable Quotes:

• Mary Kazanahim: "California... refusing to comply with federal demands... leading to a civil lawsuit." [22:25]
• Kathleen Turner: "Newsom... is so slimy... he's a slick hair-splitting coward." [23:04]

4. Supreme Court Decision on Executive Agency Restructuring

Timestamp: [24:43] – [33:10]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing the Supreme Court's recent decision, which permitted the executive branch to direct federal agencies to reorganize and reduce their workforce. The court ruling, with an 8-1 majority, includes notable dissent from Justices Ketanji Brown Jackson and Sonia Sotomayor.

Notable Quotes:

• Mary Kazanahim: "The Supreme Court, 8 to 1... said, get rid of the injunctions and the restraining orders." [24:37]
• Kathleen Turner: "If the President can't hire people, what can he do?" [25:45]

They express concern over the Court's composition and the implications for executive power, highlighting Justice Jackson's and Justice Sotomayor's dissenting opinions as indicative of internal disagreements within the judiciary.

Notable Quotes:

• Mary Kazanahim: "Sotomayor... says, 'we have no occasion to consider ...' " [26:50]
• Kathleen Turner: "It's worrisome that she seems underqualified for this role." [27:48]

5. TSA Policy Reforms and Security Theater

Timestamp: [34:09] – [43:17]

In their final segment, Mary and Kathleen discuss recent changes to Transportation Security Administration (TSA) policies, specifically the discontinuation of mandatory shoe removal during airport security checks. They welcome this shift as a return to common sense and criticize prior security measures as ineffective "security theater."

Notable Quotes:

• Kathleen Turner: "I don't think you need to be paying $100 a year to have that privilege." [34:54]
• Mary Kazanahim: "The lesson from this is that there are so many things the government could just stop doing." [35:32]

They reflect on the historical context of the shoe removal policy, referencing Richard Reid's shoe-bomb attempt in 2001, and argue that many TSA procedures are outdated and counterproductive.

Notable Quotes:

• Mary Kazanahim: "It's been 23 years... shoe removal isn't helping anyone." [35:04]
• Kathleen Turner: "If we could stay on guard despite dropping these... restrictions, that would be ideal." [37:07]

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Conclusion

In this episode of "Normally," Mary Kazanahim and Kathleen Turner tackle pressing issues surrounding national security, immigration enforcement, judicial decisions, and administrative policies. They provide a critical analysis of the current political landscape, emphasizing the need for policies that align with public opinion and promote genuine security measures over performative actions.

Final Notable Quotes:

• Kathleen Turner: "When things get weird, act normally." [40:02]
• Mary Kazanahim: "It's not that complicated." [15:40]

Listeners are encouraged to stay informed and critically assess the actions of both governmental institutions and elected officials to advocate for sensible and effective policies.

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[Mary Kazanahim]

Hey, we are back on. Normally the show with normalist takes for when the news gets weird. I am Mary Kazanhaim.

[Kathleen Turner]

And I am Carol Markowitz, back with a slightly raspy voice today. But I like to say it's. It sounds like I only smoke a few cigarettes a day instead of a few packs.

[Mary Kazanahim]

It's good. I think it's like it's Kathleen Turner esque.

[Kathleen Turner]

Exactly. That's what we're going for here.

[Mary Kazanahim]

I like it. Oh, I did want to tell at the beginning of the show that I did see Robert Earl Keane in Colorado last night, who is a. Kerrville, Texas. That's his hometown. He sent his kids when they were children to Camp Mystic. So it was a heavier concert than Kelly and I had anticipated, but in the style of what you might expect of a cowboy poet. He was very stoic, and the event raised money for folks in Texas. He did the job well, was a beautiful concert, beautiful music, and I sort of admired the stoicism of it. You could tell he was. He had shades on the whole time. I think he's had a. It's a tough time for everybody and for people who are even closer to it, just unimaginable stuff. So I appreciated his hard work.

[Kathleen Turner]

I have to note, I loved your episode with Kelly. I really enjoyed it. You know, my little dirty secret is I don't. I don't really listen to podcasts.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Well, welcome to ours.

[Kathleen Turner]

So I. The fact that I really liked it made me think, like, wow, should I be listening to more podcasts?

[Mary Kazanahim]

There you go.

[Kathleen Turner]

I also downloaded some Robert Earl Keane music. Excellent. I. I really didn't know it before. I started with the Road Goes On Forever and got into a bunch of other stuff. It was great.

[Mary Kazanahim]

That's a good choice to start with.

[Kathleen Turner]

So we'll kick off with what I think is one of the most under noticed, underreported stories in the country, and that is that people are trying to kill ICE agents. ICE facility in Texas was targeted by an antifa group they were there to kill allegedly ICE agents. Andy, no reports. These are the 10 alleged members of a North Texas antifa terror cell accused of carrying out the attempted murder of federal officers at a shooting terrorist attack on an ICE facility on the fourth of July in Alvarado, Texas. One local police officer was shot in the neck and survived. The group was armed with multiple rifles, pistols, body armor, escape vehicles, radios, and other devices indicating a planned conspiracy. These people have been charged federally with attempted murder and they also face local charges. In Johnston County, Texas, Johnson County. A few days later, a different police officer was shot in McAllen, Texas by an active shooting shooter attempting to ambush Border Patrol agents. Also been vandalism aimed at ICE agents. For people who were arrested in Los Angeles using homemade nail devices to damage a Border Patrol vehicle. It's really bad. Meanwhile, Geraldo Rivera and others are tweeting, cops don't need to wear masks. They deal with the most dangerous elements of society. Why do ICE agents wear masks? What are they hiding? They're hiding from crazy people is what they're hiding.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Well, and it's always everyone else. The mask discourse is always so frustrating because, you know, I was alive in 2020, so that part just blows my mind. But also, just like every Columbia student who wants to throw something at a cop is welcome to wear 13 masks on their face and never tell us who they are. I get people scared concerns, but I do not think these people are sincere. I don't believe that they change their minds based on who has a mask on at any given moment for whatever reason.

[Kathleen Turner]

Exactly. And I think that the idea for them is that they want to make TSA agents afraid. They want them to not want to take the job, and they want it to be harder for these people to do their jobs. Senator Alex Padilla has introduced a bill to ban ICE agents from wearing masks. So.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Yeah, well. Yeah, can I. Can. I also note that Axios reported that a bunch of Democrats are hearing messages from their constituents.

[Kathleen Turner]

Yeah.

[Mary Kazanahim]

That are just like, upping the ante. And over and over and over again to the point of telling Democrats that they need to. Elected officials need to go to ICE facilities and endure being shot in order to overcome the fascism. They want blood. And if it's going to be Democrats blood, that's also fine with them because that's what is necessary to fight this great evil. I mean, it's.

[Kathleen Turner]

I just want to say everyone is not putting words in their mouths. Our own base is telling us that what we're doing is not good enough, that there needs to be blood, to grab the attention of the press and the public. A Democratic lawmaker told Axios.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Yeah, and this is the same thing as always, Carol, which is since the beginning of the Trump era, the rationale for the left has been it doesn't matter if we violate all the norms because we are living in extraordinary times and we are fighting a force that is violating all the norms. Right. So that's the justification for anything. You can justify anything to yourself at that point. And to have your constituents telling you that blood needs to be spilled while these actual active shootings are going on, just seems like things are getting off the rails here, guys.

[Kathleen Turner]

Yeah. Another quote from the Axial Story. A fourth House Democrat said constituents have told them, quote, civility isn't working, end quote. And to prepare for, quote, violence, to fight to protect our democracy, end quote. It's scary. It's scary that this is so out in the open. I just imagine the outrage if it was the right saying, we need blood. We need blood in order for our issues to be pushed.

[Mary Kazanahim]

I want to screenshot that Brian Stelter tweet where he's like, it's only coming from one side.

[Kathleen Turner]

Oh, yeah.

[Mary Kazanahim]

And just put it all over every single one of these stories. Right. But this is what the, the media does. And it, it really is. It's. It's just misinformation and disinformation is they sort of alchemize lefty violence into righty violence or they ignore it entirely. And if you ignore it entirely, it's easy to look around and go like, oh, I guess only the right does this. No, that's because you disappeared all the other ones.

[Kathleen Turner]

Right.

[Mary Kazanahim]

You can't. You don't have a full data set, guys.

[Kathleen Turner]

Exactly. Meanwhile, is this issue popular with voters from the Democratic side or from the Republican side? Let's find out from, you know, not a right wing source. Let's go to CNN and see what they're saying over there.

[Harry]

Deported all immigrants who are here illegally. 55% of the New York Times, Marquette, 64%. CBS News, 57%. ABC News with a slightly different question, 56%. So what you're seeing essentially here is very clear indication that a majority of Americans, in fact, when they're asked this blunt question, which I believe gets at the underlying feelings, do, in fact want to deport all immigrants who are here illegally. There's no arguing with these different numbers because they're all essentially the same across four different pollsters.

[Kathleen Turner]

Yeah.

[Mary Kazanahim]

I love these segments, by the way. And I just have to say it again.

[Kathleen Turner]

Harry's accent is perfect.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Where Harry ends up there again just telling CNN stuff it doesn't want to hear. And poor Kate has to stand by the board and go, huh, Interesting. You're telling me that all of my suppositions are incorrect. This is uncomfortable for everyone every time.

[Kathleen Turner]

Oh, good. But it really goes to show that they are missing what the majority of the country wants. These are crazy numbers. I have to say that I wouldn't have guessed the numbers. Are these this high because that's a.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Deport all illegal immigrants number. That is not a criminal immigrants number.

[Kathleen Turner]

I would say just a few years ago, I mean these numbers would have been half, maybe. And even now it's surprising. In the 60s, over 60% of Americans in some polls want to deport all illegal immigrants. That's startling. And it really goes to show how bad things got in the Biden administration. And I just think they're on the wrong side of this.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Yeah, just what a giant miscalculation by the Biden administration that, you know, uncontrolled four years of millions of people coming across the border is going to make everybody feel like, this is awesome. Nope, opposite direction.

[Kathleen Turner]

Yep. Meanwhile, Alligator Alcatraz has opened in my beloved Florida. It is just a place to hold people who are being deported. And there's a story in the Miami Herald that attempts to make this place sound horrific to toilets that didn't flush, temperatures that went from freezing to sweltering. Now it's July in Florida. I'll buy sweltering, freezing.

[Mary Kazanahim]

How freezing can you get? Yeah.

[Kathleen Turner]

Are we talking an air conditioner blowing on somebody? Like, what are you saying? A hospitalization that turned out not to be true. And you know, it's again crazy that the media and the Democrats have decided that their key constituency that they are going to spend the most amount of time catering to are people who are in the country illegally. Especially with the poll numbers that we just read. It makes no sense.

[Mary Kazanahim]

It makes no sense. I want to quote Sunny Wright, unnnyright, one of my favorite follows. Who says who sniffs out the game here. No, you can't send them home. Their homes are too risky. No, you can't deport them to a third party country. They have no connections there. No, you can't keep them detained here. That's like Auschwitz. The game being played is that nothing short of amnesty is acceptable.

[Kathleen Turner]

Exactly. And the thing is that they won't say so, or some of them will. Chuck Schumer actually a few years ago literally admitted he wanted to Just legalize everybody that was in the country. But the fact is if Democrats really said what they wanted, they would not get elected in many, many places. Maybe Chuck Schumer would continue to win in New York, but in most states it would be a death sentence for their party. And that Americans can't hear what they support, but also that they won't listen to what Americans want them to do. It's really unfair.

[Mary Kazanahim]

And to the extent that they're struggling, and they are struggling quite a lot right now, it's because Kamal is a perfect example. Americans read all over them what they actually wanted to do. But they just play this game and no one's buying the game anymore.

[Kathleen Turner]

Right. There's also the question of if you came into the country illegally, what are you entitled to? And Emma Jo Morris, who another follow that I like a lot. She pointed out that when they were staying at various hotels across New York City, there were always these protests every time the city would try to move them because the accommodations weren't going to be as nice. And she said that she spoke to some of the people when she was reporting on this for Breitbart at the time. And she writes, there's this bizarre sense which would maybe curb the illegal immigration problem in a somewhat significant way if it stopped that if someone merely enters America, they're entitled to a measure of luxury. No, you're not. You're just not. So here we are. And I don't know, I again think the Democrats are making a big error here. I hope Republicans can capitalize on it. It hasn't been a strength of the Republican Party other than Donald Trump to point to stuff like this and get on the right side, the popular side of what Americans believe. I hope Republicans run on this issue in the midterms. You know, I really think this is a unifying thing that people want. They want security for the country.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Yep. It's not that complicated.

[Kathleen Turner]

It really, really isn't. All right, we're going to take a short break and we're going to be right back with Harmeet sue in California and an 8.1scotus decision.

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[Mary Kazanahim]

Alrighty. Our girl Harmeet Dylan over at DOJ is conducting the fo part of the equation for California. California has been openly flouting the rules that transgender athletes boys should not be competing in women's sports. You'll remember Carol, that in his Moderate Sane Person tour that Gavin Gavin Newsom tried to do on his podcast, he said it was deeply unfair for boys to be competing with girls and everybody knew that. But nonetheless, in California's big track championships they had A.B. hernandez, a boy, winning three of the categories. And they did all this like changing the categories to try to try to allow the same number of girls to win anyway. And him sharing the podium with girls, it's also ridiculous. And they have just said, no, we're not going to follow your laws. And so Harmeet Dhillon is like, okay. She sent a letter to California public school districts and their, their state, you know, board of whatever their athletics is. She called it unconstitutional to allow transgender athletes to compete. She alleged that knowingly depriving female students of athletic opportunities and benefits on the basis of their sex would constitute unconstitutional sex discrimination under the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. Dylan ordered the CIF, which is that organization, to inform the Justice Department by June 9 that it will no longer implement its bylaws on this. Linda McMahon also said in a July 7 post on X that California had rejected the Trump administration demand. They've been trying to negotiate this and California's just like, nah, so now we're going to court so there will be a civil lawsuit. Newsom, he's so slimy, Carol.

[Kathleen Turner]

He's campaigning in South Carolina at the moment.

[Mary Kazanahim]

I know he's campaigning in South Carolina. And on this subject, which he's conceded it is unfair, but he's not going to use any of his power as governor to fix this issue or comply with the law. Newsom noted in a statement that he is not named in the lawsuit. And the California Department of Education and the cif, which is their athletic organization, are both independent from his administration. What a slick hair splitting coward. Like, he continued that both are, quote, following existing state law. Shut up and do the right thing.

[Kathleen Turner]

Absolutely. And you know, there's also this whole thing that the left just had these protests, no Kings Day. But which by the way, I tried to like joke with real people in real life on July 4th and say like, happy real no King Day.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Actual no Kings Day.

[Kathleen Turner]

Yeah, what I was talking about.

[Mary Kazanahim]

No, this is, by the way, one of the things about the pace of a Trump administration is that something like no Kings Day will seem like a really big story for about 13 hours, and then by the time you get to real no Kings Day, everybody's forgotten that it ever happened. Yeah.

[Kathleen Turner]

Well, I mean, I would just say that the people I spoke to didn't even know that the protests were called no King Days. So that didn't go that great. But you have where states are saying we're not going to follow the law and that's somehow not a monarchy. That's not a anti democracy with Trump. Trump is king.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Yeah, I love this idea too. Where the blue cities are like, oh, how dare he come in here and enforce the law in la. He should partner with us. But what they're also announcing all the time, as loudly and as hostilely as possible, is, ew, we would never partner with you. You're disgusting. We are absolutely not a partner in enfor any of this. And in fact, we would like you to know how little we're going to be enforcing all the time. It's like, yeah, no, you're not a partner. You've told us that you're not.

[Kathleen Turner]

Yeah. And it's funny how they suddenly want, you know, rights, states to have rights when there's a Republican president. It's always amazing how that works.

[Mary Kazanahim]

I mean, look, my new converts to federalism. I welcome you to read up on it.

[Kathleen Turner]

I'm going to need you to maintain that enthusiasm if a Democrat ever wins again.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Yes, exactly. In another blow to the whole King narrative, it turns out that the executive branch can, in fact, instruct agencies within the government to form a plan to reduce the number of people who work for them. That's the crazy thing that Trump was accused of doing, and the public employee unions took him to court over it. The district court said, said, yeah, y' all have to stop. You can't do a reduction in force. That's crazy town. And the President was like, I pretty. I really feel like I can. So it went to the Supreme Court, and The Supreme Court, 8 to 1, with only Ketanji Brown Jackson dissenting 8 to 1, said, get rid of the injunctions and the restraining orders. They can continue to work on this because this is, in fact, the job of the government, and it seems like it's unlikely to be unconstitutional.

[Kathleen Turner]

Right? I mean, if the President can't hire people, what can he do? What else is there?

[Mary Kazanahim]

No, it's wild. And then the idea that Sotomayor, even Kagan, will sometimes be, you know, with the writer leaning judges. Sotomayor rarely is, but you're right in her writing, Sotomayor calls her out a little bit. She says, I agree with Justice Jackson that the President cannot restructure federal agencies in a manner inconsistent with congressional mandates. Here, however, the relevant executive order directs agencies to plan reorganizations and reductions in force, quote, consistent with applicable law. She then notes to Katanji Brown Jackson a real basic of how courts work, which is the plans themselves are not before this court at this stage, and we thus have no occasion to consider whether they can and will be carried out consistent with the constraints of law. Basically saying, ma', am, you're addressing A question that is not before the court.

[Kathleen Turner]

Right. Yeah. It felt very like my cousin Vinnie being told how the process works.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Exactly. Oh, my gosh, I love that. No, this is the second justice who in writing has taken aim at Ketanji Brown Jackson in a, I would say, like more harsh than you're used to seeing or more specific than you're used to seeing way Barrett was the, was the first one and now Sotomayor agreeing with her, but saying like, hey, we're not deciding that. I don't know what you thought we were arguing about. And then I saw some quotes from Ketanji Brown Jackson talking about how she writes her opinions and saying, you know, it's just my chance to express my feelings on matters. And I'm like, do you misunderstand the word opinion in a jurisprudence situation? Because it ain't just like your opinion.

[Kathleen Turner]

Yeah, it really is a little worrisome that she seems under qualified for this role. And I think a lot of people were pointing this out even before she was picked. But it's, it's not right that, you know, we're having this conversation at all that perhaps a Supreme Court justice who's there did not really qualify to be there. And it's unfortunate that Sonia Sotomayor is left to give a mini smackdown on the record.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Well, and I would say, look, there can sometimes be great courage in standing up by yourself against the whole, you know, on principle. However, if you find yourself on the other side of 8 to 1 pretty frequently at the Supreme Court, it's not like a resistance win. In all likelihood, you got it wrong. That's what happened. But everybody's like cheering for her, like, oh my gosh, she is just killing it with these dissents alone here. She is killing it with these dissents. Now, I think just quickly, just a little SCOTUS game theory, which is that, so if you have three liberal leaning justices and then you have the six Roberts, you could get to join the libs. Right. So that gets you to four. And maybe in some you could peel off a Kavanaugh or a Barrett or one of the others occasionally. But that would require, like staying sane among the three liberals so that you could bring people over to that wing for occasional decisions. And it's not like that doesn't happen at all. But it does seem to me that KBJ is not exactly strategic with the way she's approaching this and she ain't winning any of those swing votes.

[Kathleen Turner]

That's right. That's a really good point. I don't know that there's going to be a movement where she's the head of that.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Yeah, Kagan could be the head of that, but if you're partnered with Ketanji Brown Jackson, really hard to bring people over.

[Kathleen Turner]

Exactly.

[Mary Kazanahim]

We're gonna take a break on Normally, but we will be right back with good news from the tsa.

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Welcome back to Normally. This for our last segment is actually my favorite story right now. I had a real big problem with the tsa. I think that, you know, a lot of the security theater that we do is really pointless. I've written about it a number of times over the years and this new move that is the TSA is no longer going to force us to take off our shoes is so welcome. And I say that Hallelujah. Who has paid the money to have TSA precheck and I don't take off my shoes anymore. But I don't think you need to be paying $100 a year in order to have that privilege. And I'm really glad that they're bringing back a little slice of sanity into our airports.

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Yeah, so this has been what, 23 years we've been doing this because Richard Reed tried to bomb something with a shoe bomb, right?

[Kathleen Turner]

Yeah.

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As with many parts of security theater, it's not really helping anyone, and it's making a bunch of people inconvenienced. I saw a funny tweet where someone said, congratulations to the guy who is probably, on aggregate, annoyed and inconvenienced more people than any man in history. Richard Reed. He actually. He actually ended up succeeding in terrorizing us for 23 years by having to take our shoes off. Yeah. The lesson from this is that there are so many things the government could just stop doing.

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Right?

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Right. They just did it on, like, a random day. They said, we're not doing that anymore. And by the way, I was flying on that day, and I got scolded by a TSA agent and told to put my shoes back on. I do not pay for pre. Because I'm stubbornly like, I don't need to pay extra money to be treated like a human being, which is dumb because it wastes a lot of my time. And, you know, I have to take my shoes off, but I took my shoes off. And she's like, you put your shoes back on. And I was like, I thought I was just getting regular TSA gas lit, but it turns out, nope, the policy had changed. How we found out. That's how. Yeah, I thought she was messing with me. And then later that day, I saw the announcement, so that was exciting. I also would like to note that this is how the White House tweeted about it. Put your dogs away. Trump admin ended the TSA shoes off policy. Feet covered. Air quality restored. And I said, carol, you know, in 2002, if someone had told me that they would. That the US Government, in an official capacity, would announce the rescission of this policy or the rescinding of this policy with basically, your feet stink. I would have been, like, highly skeptical, but thankful that we had come to this place.

[Kathleen Turner]

Sure. Yeah. It really drives me crazy because I don't like things that make no sense, and this has just never made sense to me. And I hope they follow this up with more TSA sanity. I've written about it again. I said TSA many times. In 2019, I pointed out that, for example, the attempted shoe bomber, Richard Reed, he tried to use matches to set his shoe on fire. Matches are allowed on planes. Lighters are not, which makes, of course, no sense. And then, of course, when you're carrying liquids, they're very worried that the liquids might be a bomb. So they take those liquids and they Toss it into garbage right next to everybody, right next to where everybody is walking in. And if that exploded, it would do just as much damage as it would on an airplane. None of it makes sense. It is insane that we keep doing it. You know, one of the things that the reason that 911 was successful was the element of surprise. If we could stay on guard despite dropping these, you know, shoe restrictions and other restrictions, that would be the ideal. That we shouldn't live in a 911 world forever. But we also shouldn't forget that we should stay alert. And that's really the main thing.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Well, and, like, Israel's good at doing this, obviously, because they are under frequent threat, but they do things that are sort of like, actually studied and effective as opposed to whenever they study TSA methods, they come up with, like, oh, yeah, they let all of our test subjects through. Right. So it's not. Whatever they're doing is not not working for staying alert. The new one that I hate is the one where they take the picture of you and you don't have to do that. No, no, I know. But here's what's so insane about it, is that they're taking a picture of you and then they're saying they're going to dispose of that picture. Right. And then they look at the picture of you and they look at your license, and I'm just like, you know, what could accomplish this? Looking at me, I'm right here. I am standing two feet from you. Just take my license. Look at me. Hand the license back.

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Nate Brigazzi had this line where, you know, he always liked that they included the picture on the license.

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Yes.

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[Mary Kazanahim]

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[Kathleen Turner]

Yeah.

[Mary Kazanahim]

Anyway, maybe we'll get rid of that one at some point, too. But some giant, you know, donor probably has a contract that allows them to do the cameras at the airport, so we can't get rid of them.

[Kathleen Turner]

Pretty sure that's the case, actually. Yeah. Back to sanity. That's really what we're looking for at a show called Normal Indeed. And thanks for joining us on Normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get in touch with us@ normallythepodmail.com thanks for listening. And when things get weird, act normally.

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