Normally Podcast: Trump’s Global Meetings, Left-Wing Disarray, and the Debate Over Designer Babies

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show:

Trump’s Global Meetings, Left-Wing Disarray, and the Debate Over Designer Babies

Publication Date: August 19, 2025
Hosts: Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia, Carol Markowitz
Producer: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this episode, hosts Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia and Carol Markowitz delve into three major topics shaping current affairs:

• Former President Trump's recent meetings with global leaders and implications for U.S. foreign policy
• The mounting disarray and increasingly odd strategies among left-wing political figures and institutions
• The ethical debate over "designer babies" driven by new advances in embryo screening technology

Their conversation is marked by wit, skepticism, and a sharp eye for inconsistencies and double standards on all sides of the political spectrum. Clay and Buck guide their audience through skepticism about both political and scientific claims, mixing political analysis with personal perspectives.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Trump’s Global Diplomacy: New Meetings with Putin and Zelensky

[03:35 – 11:46]

• Setting the Scene:

  • Trump recently met with Vladimir Putin in Alaska (an American, not neutral, site), and plans a meeting with Ukrainian President Zelensky.
  • Hosts note ongoing speculation and concern over what might be brokered but acknowledge that it’s a waiting game for concrete outcomes.

• Symbolism & Diplomacy:

  • The choice of Alaska sends a message of American strength.
    • Quote, Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia [04:55]:
      “We own the skies. This is an unambiguous flex of American military might. And Putin is a power dude. Right? Like, that's what he reads as power. And there it is right in front of your face.”
  • Putin is described as being unmoved by peace prospects, and there’s worry over Trump’s susceptibility to flattery but optimism about his tactical unpredictability.

• Sanctions & Red Lines:

  • Trump has been rhetorically “squishy” on Russia but materially tough—pointing to sanctions and military actions that have provided a credible deterrent.

• Peace Prospects & Criticism:

  • There’s skepticism about expectations: peace talks can’t occur without all parties present.
    • Marco Rubio, featured via clip [07:39]: “There’s no way you can have a meeting like that... This is a war between two countries, not America. It’s Ukraine and Russia. We met with the Russian side. We’ve spoken...with the Ukrainian side. We’ll see them again tomorrow, along with our allies in Europe...But there’s a lot of work that remains. There’s a reason why this war has been going on for three and a half years. It’s a war that never would have happened had President Trump been president. But he inherited it...If [peace] is possible, he’s the only one that can get it done...”

• Comparisons & “Russian Asset” Narrative:

  • Hosts argue it’s outdated and inaccurate to mistrust Trump as a “Russian asset,” and that his unconventional style may open diplomatic possibilities.

Memorable Moment:

• Carol Markowitz [08:55]:
  “America is back as a leader on the world stage...Despite all the talking down about America, when things get real, they look at us…”

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2. Left-Wing Disarray: From Taylor Swift to Military Coups

[16:47 – 31:53]

• Fragmentation and Odd Messaging:

  • The left is described as uniquely fractured—unlike their historic unity, they now appear in a state of “funky disarray.”

• Bizarre Political Endorsements:

  • Ex-FBI Director James Comey’s five-minute “selfie” video lauding Taylor Swift as a model for resistance to Trump is lampooned for its awkwardness and lack of gravitas.
    • James Comey [18:39]: “She said something about dealing with Internet trolls that stuck with me. Think of your energy as if it’s expensive... As if it’s like a luxury item. Not everyone can afford it.”
    • Carol Markowitz [19:39]:
      “I have no problem with him being a Swiftie; I have a problem with him being a weirdo. […] He recently said he was walking on a beach and came across this shell formation that had 8647, which means end 47. It’s seen sort of as a death threat to President Trump. How is that not being a bully?”

• Pushback on New York Times Editorials:

  • A NYT piece suggests the military should stand up to Trump, sparking incredulity from hosts:
    • Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia [23:58]:
      “Your position is that to preserve democracy and all the norms, we should have a military coup wherein the military does not obey the chain of command...”

• Leftist Calls for Dismantling Institutions:

  • There’s direct mention of think pieces advocating for abolishing the Electoral College, packing the court, and even rewriting the Constitution.
    • Carol Markowitz [25:44]:
      “Abolish the Senate and the Electoral College, Pack the Court. Why the Left Can’t Win without a New Constitution. I mean, you can’t just admit it out loud like that, guys.”

• Political Tactics & Double Standards:

  • Beto O’Rourke is quoted urging Democrats to break the rules to ensure victory:
    • Beto O'Rourke [27:05]:
      “There are no refs in this game. Fuck the rules. We are going to win. Whatever it takes. We’re going to take this to them in every way that we can.”
  • The hosts criticize both the practical impossibility (blue states already fully gerrymandered) and the underlying logic of this approach.

• Cultural Fights (Smithsonian, MSNBC Rebrand, “Trump Satire”):

  • Trump's initiative to review Smithsonian exhibits is seen as blowback against leftist takeovers.
  • MSNBC’s rebrand to “Ms.” is mocked as confusing and ill-conceived.
  • Gavin Newsom’s press office mimicking Trump’s online persona is critiqued as lacking authenticity:
    • Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia [31:36]:
      “This is a personality transplant. They’re like, well, let’s just plug something in here, see how it goes.”

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3. Designer Babies: Ethics, Technology, and Moral Blind Spots

[36:57 – 44:29]

• New Trends in Embryo Screening:

  • Highlighted by a NYT feature on a startup called Orchid, which offers full genome embryo screening for $2,500, promising to reduce risks for various diseases.

• Sales Pitch and Pushback:

  • The founder Noor Siddiqui’s messaging is described as aggressive and dismissive of moral qualms:
    • Siddiqui (quoted by hosts) [41:04]:
      “Most kids are born by accident. And yet we stigmatize parents who plan ahead, who screen embryos to prevent deadly, now preventable diseases. ... Just be honest. You’re okay with your kid potentially suffering for life so you can feel morally superior.”
  • Both hosts question not only the reliability of such screenings (citing epidemic false positives) but also the ethical consequences.

• The Ethical Quandary:

  • The hosts stress that this trend portends a slide toward eugenics, where inconvenience trumps humanity:
    • Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia [41:15]:
      “You’re not eliminating disease. You’re eliminating a person with disease. That’s what you’re doing.”
  • Ross Douthat’s interview with Siddiqui is referenced to note her inability to grasp the philosophical argument that something ineffable is lost when making human life only a technical project.

• The Human Element of Parenthood:

  • The unpredictability of birth, and the “art” of parenting versus the “science” of selection, is emphasized.
    • Carol Markowitz [43:17]:
      “My obstetrician … said … having a baby is more art than science. … You have to take the good and the bad … even if you do design the perfect genome … you don’t know what’s going to happen.”
  • The need for more bioethical debate and guidance is underlined; the technology is moving faster than public discussion.

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Notable Quotes & Highlights (with Timestamps)

• [04:55] Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia:
  “We own the skies. This is an unambiguous flex of American military might. And Putin is a power dude. … That’s what he reads as power.”

• [07:39] Marco Rubio (via clip):
  “We never said there was going to be a deal coming out of the meeting because the Ukrainians are not there… If [peace] is possible, he’s the only one that can get it done.”

• [19:39] Carol Markowitz (on Comey’s Taylor Swift video):
  “I have no problem with him being a Swiftie; I have a problem with him being a weirdo.”

• [23:58] Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia (on NYT military coup op-ed):
  “Your position is that to preserve democracy … we should have a military coup…”

• [25:44] Carol Markowitz:
  “Abolish the Senate and the Electoral College, Pack the Court. Why the Left Can’t Win without a New Constitution… You can’t just admit it out loud like that, guys.”

• [27:05] Beto O’Rourke:
  “There are no refs in this game. Fuck the rules. We are going to win. Whatever it takes…”

• [41:04] Siddiqui (quoted):
  “Just be honest. You’re okay with your kid potentially suffering for life so you can feel morally superior.”

• [43:17] Carol Markowitz:
  “Having a baby is more art than science. … It’s not supposed to be perfect. … Even if you do design the perfect genome … you don’t know what’s going to happen.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:35 – Trump's Alaska summit with Putin, Zelensky meetings preview
• 04:55 – Symbolism of Alaska as meeting site, military flex
• 07:39 – Marco Rubio on the peace process, skepticism about expectations
• 16:47 – Disarray on the Left, Comey’s Taylor Swift video
• 18:39 – James Comey’s message, discussion and critique
• 23:58 – NYT op-ed suggesting the military should oppose Trump
• 25:44 – Left-wing calls for abolishing institutions, Constitution
• 27:05 – Beto O’Rourke’s "whatever it takes" gerrymandering advocacy
• 29:11 – Smithsonian fights, MSNBC rebrand, Newsom’s satirical tweets
• 36:57 – Designer babies, Orchid’s embryo screening and morality
• 41:04 – Siddiqui’s contentious tweets and rebuttal
• 43:17 – “More art than science”: the unpredictability of childbirth

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Tone and Style

• The hosts maintain a casual, bantering, and often critical tone.
• Humor and incredulity are used to call out perceived absurdities on all sides, but particularly to lampoon left-wing excesses and double standards.
• There’s a consistent call for sanity, consistency, and ethical reflection—whether in politics, bioethics, or public discourse.

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Conclusion

This episode of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show" brings listeners through a sharp, sometimes witty examination of U.S. foreign policy under Trump, exposes the latest developments and self-inflicted wounds among left-of-center leaders and media, and opens a discussion on the daunting ethical questions raised by the advance of designer baby technology. The hosts highlight double standards and stress the need for debate and ethical guardrails as technology and politics continue to move in unpredictable directions.

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[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Hey, guys. We are back on normally, the show with normalish takes for when the news gets weird. I am Mary Kathryn.

[Carol Markowitz]

And I'm Carol Markowitz. Very happy to have you back. Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia from We the People podcast did a fantastic job as a guest host, but it is so nice to have you back. And let's do this.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Let's do it. Talking foreign policy to kick us off. Yes. They will have a summit at the White House. And by they, I mean everybody.

[Carol Markowitz]

Everybody in the whole world. So over the weekend. Yeah, let's start it up. Over the weekend, Donald Trump met with Vladimir Putin. And as we're recording this, he's going to be meeting with Vladimir Zelensky. We're not going to get too into these meetings because we don't know what news will be made today, but we'll maybe say more about it on Wednesday, depending on what happens. I will say that people who openly want Trump to fail were very out there this weekend, and I did not appreciate it. And I say this as somebody who has no love for Russia. Wishes I could wave my magic wand and have Ukraine win this war. Thinks Ukraine has done a fantastic job of holding Russia back. Still thinks that probably they need to reach some sort of compromise. And while it's unfortunate to give Russia anything, I think that's probably where it's going to end up to end this thing.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Yeah. So I think if you set the table and say, okay, what did I like and not like about Trump going to Alaska? Loved that. I think it's good that we're meeting in Alaska. It was an American site, not a neutral site. As a result, the B2 bomber and.

[Carol Markowitz]

Escorts, oh, so cool.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Fly right over Putin's head as they're arriving.

[Carol Markowitz]

I heard people call that, like, some sort of, like, pro Putin move. I did not see that as a pro Putin move at all. I saw that as fafo, bro.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

We own the skies. This is an unambiguous flex of American military might. And Putin is a power dude. Right? Like, that's what he reads as power. And there it is right in front of your face. So I liked that. I worry about Trump being unduly influenced by the guy he last talked to, and that guy is Putin. We don't like that. However, it sounds like Putin, as you might expect, wasn't interested in peace in that moment, everyone flew back home. Trump calls the Euros, he calls Zelensky the Euros, who he kind of likes right now, because NATO's doing the things that he wanted NATO to do. He calls them up and he's like, you know, I could be open to some security assurances from the west, right? This guy maybe kind of ticked him off. Putin ticked him off again by seeming like he's playing him. Melania Trump sends this letter that's like, hey, you guys shouldn't be kidnapping Ukrainian children. Love that from her.

[Carol Markowitz]

Sure.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

So the combo of those things made me think, as we go into this European meeting, okay, we're in a decent place to have a sane back and forth about what this might look like.

[Carol Markowitz]

That's right. I just thought that. I think back to when Biden was president, when Obama was president, I still wanted America to win. And I hate that there is this sense of like, oh, Donald Trump, I hate him. And therefore, he's giving Putin everything that he wants. I. I just don't see him like that at all. Look, is he susceptible to flattery? Absolutely. We've talked about it a lot in the show. It's one of my major concerns about him. He has somewhat got it in check this time. Although he did love Putin talking about how mail in voting shouldn't be a thing. He was like, you're absolutely right. Mail in voting shouldn't be a thing. And I happen to agree with that. But I don't love that Putin was the one who kind of got him spurred into action on this. I will say that people who expected some sort of ceasefire to come out of that meeting, I don't entirely understand what they're talking about. We have a clip of Secretary of State Rubio on Maria Barrettaromo's show talking about this issue. And let's roll that clip, because I agree with Rubio.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Why did President Trump's meeting with Putin.

[Carol Markowitz]

End with no ceasefire? And what does Putin want?

[Marco Rubio]

Yeah, well, a couple things. First of all, if you recall, there's no way you can have a meeting like that. And we never said there was going to be a deal coming out of the meeting because the Ukrainians are not there. This is a war between two countries, not America. It's Ukraine and Russia. We met with the Russian side. We've spoken repeatedly with the Ukrainian side. We'll see them again tomorrow in person, along with our allies in Europe. So I do think some progress was made in that talk in terms of narrowing down the issues Said and now these are hard issues that Remain, you know, the conversation about where the territorial lines are going to be, questions about long term security guarantees and who Ukraine can have military alliances with, things like that. These are difficult things. But I do believe we made progress in narrowing down the issue set. But there's a lot of work that remains. There's still, this is a. There's a reason why this war has been going on for three and a half years. It's a war that never would have happened had President Trump been president. But he inherited it. And now he's trying to do everything he can to bring about peace. He's made peace a priority of his administration. As you've seen with all the peace deals we've been able to achieve throughout the world, this one's the hardest one. Everyone acknowledges that, but he's the only one in the world that has any chance of doing it. Look, peace may not be possible. At the end of the day, we don't know. But if it is possible, he's the only one that can get it done. And that's why everyone's asking him. They're asking him to meet with Putin and they're also asking him to come here tomorrow and meet with him to talk further about what we do next.

[Carol Markowitz]

You can't have peace talks without both sides present. So I think people need to dial down their expectations. I think what Rubio said there is correct. I'm not sure this is the hardest peace deal. I think Israel, Palestinians might be up there with this one. But I agree that Trump is trying to produce peace deals wherever he can. I like that America is back as a leader on the world stage, where people do look to us for that kind of thing, including the aforementioned Euros, who, for all their dislike of Trump, for all of their talking down about America, when things get real, they look at us like, hey, guys, what are we going to do? Because we're kind of the last line on that.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Yeah, I think, look, he's had some successes. There were India, Pakistan, skirmishes that the US Got involved with, and then there were no skirmishes. Democratic Republic of Congo peace talks, the Azerbaijani, Armenian. So he's had some wins here and I think he hopes to have a success here as well. As it's also worth noting that unlike a Democratic president, he has a clear red line that he will observe, as illustrated by the Iranian strike on the nuclear sites. Right. Or the strike on Iranian nuclear sites. When someone has a red line like that, it makes them more credible for having these discussions. So that makes me more comfortable. And I think A lot of people are stuck in like 2017 and their idea that Trump is a Russian asset, I know, has been fiction from the beginning.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

That he is therefore so easy on Putin. No, he's always been rhetorically squishy on Russia and on Putin in a way I don't like, but not materially exactly. With sanctions and other actions. He's actually been quite good. And I think you got to get out of that mindset and a traditional sort of foreign policy mindset when you're talking about Trump, because people are like, oh, he's elevating him. Oh, he's doing this. Oh, these things are terrible. Trump is so unpredictable and like someone people think does have a red line, that he can produce different results. And honestly, we've been dealing with Russia or North Korea or all these intractable actors in such a way for so long. I am open, as I was with North Korea to trying something. I don't know whether it's going to pass.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yep, something new needs to be tried. Again, I say this as somebody who's just anti the country of Russia, even though I have family there. I'm not against her Russians. I'm anti the country of Russia. And still I want to see a resolution here. I want to see a peace deal. I want to see an end to just the meat grinder on both sides, the endless death. We want to see it over. And that's where Donald Trump is coming from too.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

And we shall have more news on that in the future. We will be back on normally in just a second.

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[Carol Markowitz]

Welcome back to Normally, where we could easily have a segment called what is Going on with the Left? Because they are in such a funky place right now. I've not seen this kind of disarray on the left. I would say maybe in my lifetime. It's like every time anything happened on the left, they still were this cohesive unit, in my opinion. Maybe because I always saw Republicans and the right as just spread out in so many different factions. And there's always some kind of like underlying thing. It's never just you're a conservative, you're a Tea Party conservative, or you're a nationalist conservative, you're America first or you're MAGA or whatever. There's always like factions, whereas the left I always saw as kind of get fall into line and do as you're told. You know, Hillary Clinton, it was never confirmed that she said this, but she said about John Kerry in 2004, you don't have to fall in love, you just have to fall in line. And that's how I've always viewed them. But right now it is a time of just disarray on the left. I love to see it personally, but it's also like fun to watch because There's a lot of, like, funny, funny stuff going on. Like, for example, ex FBI director made a video about how much he loves Taylor Swift.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Yeah. James Comey took to the selfie video style to deliver a weird one behind.

[Carol Markowitz]

Like, you know, like not moving next to a wall.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Like, odd and clearly scripted. Right. It looked like he had a teleprompter.

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Yeah.

[Carol Markowitz]

At least do it like crying in your car, man.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

So here he is in front of a blank wall giving a scripted selfie video that is about Taylor Swift as a model for how to respond to Trump. And we have a minute of it. Just so you can hear this and understand, this man led federal law enforcement. Just go ahead.

[James Comey]

Of course we need to stand up to jerks and defend what matters, but I think we have to try to do that without becoming like them, which is what makes me think about Taylor Swift. She's made clear that she sees Donald Trump for what he is. And last year she urged Americans not to make the serious mistake of electing him. Of course, we're now living with the consequences of that mistake. But while our elderly, makeup covered president is posting about whether Taylor Swift is still hot and declaring that he can't stand her, what's she doing? Living her best life, producing great music. And as she urged all of us to do during the podcast, not giving the jerks power over her mind, she said something about dealing with Internet trolls that stuck with me. Think of your energy as if it's expensive, she said. As if it's like a luxury item. Not everyone can afford it.

[Carol Markowitz]

That goes on for five minutes. It was so weird. We debated whether we should play the full five minutes because you kind of need to hear it to understand how loopy it is to the whole thing. But basically, he kept coming back to like Taylor Swift said and Taylor Swift and look, I love Taylor Swift. I have no problem with Comey being a Swiftie. I have a problem with him being a weirdo. And I think even those who hope to do like Republicans are so goofy picking up on this or whatever the Daily Beast headline was. Maga melts down over James Comey's creepy Taylor Swift video. Because it was creepy and it was weird. And he talks about bullying. He talks about being a troll. I see him as that. He recently said he was walking on a beach and came across this shell formation that had 8647, which means end 47. It's seen sort of as a death threat to President Trump. How is that not being a bully? How is that not being A troll. I just. The whole idea of him is wild to me because he had such an important job and he's clearly clearly not cut out for that.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Right. Like, he has an impulse control problem. He responds too much to online adulation and online responses and attention. It makes me uncomfortable that he was the head of the FBI. I think someone missed some major red flags about this guy as he was coming through the ranks. And the left rightly can point out like, Donald Trump's a big weirdo who responds to attention as well. Yes. A duly elected one. Yes, it's true. But one of the reasons that people vote for Trump, as you and I have noted, is that he ends up looking like the more normal option when you've got weirdos like this doing five minutes on this message. And by the way, I do. I actually agree with the message. She's right about your attention and trolls. Yeah. Taylor's wisdom is correct. Sure. It's just he is a real oddball and not in an endearing way.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah, exactly. I just, I kept waiting for him to start, like, putting on his makeup or showing us the outfit of the day. Because it was so odd. It was so odd. Meanwhile, the New York Times is also having a normal one, wondering why the military hasn't stopped Trump.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Yeah. So the headline is, we used to think the military would stand up to Trump. We were wrong. And it starts with, by ordering 800 National Guard troops to Washington on the pretext of an illusory crime wave, President Trump has further dragged the US Military into domestic law enforcement in a move credibly perceived as an ominous test case. This continues what the administration started in California in June as part of its deportation efforts. Unfortunately, though, we and others had hoped the military would only respond to calls to action in American cities and states kicking in screaming, we no longer expect resistance from that institution. Once, perhaps, traditionalist officers might have leaned on protocol and refused to heed a lawless order. Taking inspiration from the generals Mark Milley and James Mattis, who resisted the uprooting of established military standards in the first Trump term. But today, general officers no longer seem to see themselves as guardians of the constitutional order. This is the constitutional order.

[Carol Markowitz]

My 15 year old saw the headline. We used to think the military would stand up to Trump. We were wr over my shoulder and she's like, why did you think that? Have you heard of the military? Do you know about chain of command? She's not a particularly political person. She's just like, why would you imagine the military would not take orders from the Commander in Chief. This piece was written by Stephen Simon and Jonathan Stevenson. Mr. Simon held senior positions in the State Department and at the National Security Council. Mr. Stevenson served on the National Security Council staff during the Obama administration. This does nothing to dispel the idea that there is a deep state operating that thinks that unelected bureaucrats should do what they want. And the President of the United States was elected by the American people. Should not. I don't know how the New York Times doesn't see that it's a problem to put this opinion out into the world, that this is a crazy, crazy thing to say.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Well, that your position is that to preserve democracy and all the norms, we should have a military coup wherein the military does not obey the chain of command that includes the duly elected President of the United States of America.

[Carol Markowitz]

Now, look, that's a take.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

It's, that's a big one. Fine. That's your, that's your take. I disagree with it. Please don't come at me with, I'm the one who wants to preserve democracy, because I do not believe you are anymore. And this is what the left always does, is they, they use Trump to justify the things that they kind of wanted to do anyway.

[Carol Markowitz]

Totally.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Like the Constitution.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Certainly the far left ones are just like, this Constitution is lame. The government should operate in much more lefty ways. Let's just allow it to do that by any means necessary. And this is a confession of that. And by the way, specifically with D.C. he absolutely has the power to call the National Guard. Yeah, Easy Call is a federal district, and it is operating differently than states that have governors. I'm happy to argue with you about whether it's needed, whether it's working, all those things, but he absolutely has the power to do it. It is not authoritarianism to call them in on its face. Crazy talk.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah. So, speaking of the New York Times not thinking the Constitution is very important, Ross Duthat, the conservative at the New York Times, interviewed author Osita Nanivu about his new book, quote, the Right of the People, Democracy and the Case for a New American Founding. The title of that exchange on the New York Times page was Abolish the Senate and the Electoral College, Pack the Court. Why the Left Can't Win without a New Constitution. I mean, you can't just admit it out loud like that, guys.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Yeah.

[Carol Markowitz]

Leave something to the imagination. While the left can't win without a new Constitution, you can't win according to the rules of the game as established. So you need something new. I don't think the American people are going to be into that.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

No. And I just like, when I read that headline, I was like, this is why I can never side with y'. All.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

I like the Constitution.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

I like its limitations. And the gaslighting part of it heaps on my. My already large annoyance with this, where it's like, we're the saviors of democracy and the way that we're saving democracy is to ignore all the rules because we decided that we don't like this person and therefore we project all this rule breaking on him as he goes through the courts, as he exerts power over DC In a way that is constitutionally, totally allowed, and then that gives us leave to do what we want. Beto o', Rourke, you remember him, the failed.

[Carol Markowitz]

Vaguely. Yeah.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Failed candidate many times over in Texas, who we are always told is a rising star who's going to really, any minute alone the country by storm. He had something to say about that. In light of the Texas redistricting battle that we've been talking about, which California is now going to retaliate or Newsom is attempting to. Here's Beto o' Rourke's take on following the rules and saving democracy in every.

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[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Okay. I love the text line under that. His chiron is text such and such to stop Trump's power grab.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah. I mean, the joke, of course, also is that all of the Democratic states have already redistricted themselves into, like, oblivion, where there are no Republican congressional districts or there are very, very few. There was actually a New York Times story two days ago. In a wider redistricting war, Republicans have an advantage. Yeah. Because the blue states have already done this to such an extent that they can't do it anymore. They've done the max. They've already drawn all the little squiggly lines around their states and made it as Democrat as possible. So if the Betos of the world want to do this, Republicans have to be like, sure, let's do it. Right.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

They always ignore their own escalations, Right? Totally. They have to just wipe that out. So the Smithsonian fight is another good one. Right. Where Trump says, we're going to review Smithsonian exhibits inside the Smithsonian in all of these wonderful free museums. And the left is like, oh, my gosh, can you believe this? He's politicizing history. He's going to remove anything he doesn't like. Now, I am wary about any government, any partisan entity doing this work and removing things they don't like. What you're ignoring is that the left took over all the Smithsonian's exhibits and has turned them into social, social justice lectures on every front. And they just want us to leave that untouched. That's their cultural victory. And we must, we must observe it with perfect obeisance at this point.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah, I don't think we should do that. So I think that the left needs to be taught a lesson about what they've done over the last few years. I think it's way past the time for them to understand that they can't go on the way that they've been going. And you can't listen to Beto again. Try it. But you will find that you've already done all the things that he suggests you do without following any rules. Last note on this. MSNBC has changed their name and it is weird. It is really weird. They're going with Ms. Now. That sounds, I'm sorry, like a multiple sclerosis, maybe group or something like that. I saw somebody point out that it sounds maybe like Ms. Magazine and the National Organization of Women.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

I said it sounds like a new fast acting version of my doll. Like the Ms. Brings up, like, weird associations.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

I don't know why you. It's like HBO Max when they lopped off. HBO Max is not the thing we know. Don't go with that one.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah. It's just weird. And I don't know who they're trying to be. I don't think that they're trying to appeal to a wider audience. I think they're trying to lock down their left audience. But I'm not sure why they would change the name to make that happen. It's an awful rebrand. Awful, awful logo.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

One last thing on Dems acting odd. Have you seen the Newsom office tweets?

[Carol Markowitz]

Oh, my God.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

So Gavin Newsom's press office has taken on a satirical version of Trump. Like posting. It's getting a lot of attention. So for that part, it has been effective. They tweet in all caps. They use Trumpian, like exaggerations and phrases. I don't know. It is amusing at times. I think it's already wearing a little thin.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

And I keep getting these weird all caps and AI constructions in my for you column on X.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

And the thing about what Trump does is that even as a joke.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

And he's half joke himself. Like his postings sometimes are just goofs. It only works for him.

[Carol Markowitz]

It's because it's real, because it actually is him. He's not imitating somebody. He's not trying to be somebody else. You don't have to like it, but it's him for real.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Yeah.

[Carol Markowitz]

And the fact that Gavin Newsom doesn't have a him for real personality is a problem for Gavin.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

This is a personality transplant. They're like, well, let's just plug something in here, see how it goes. Any rate, you can look for those all caps postings if you wish to.

[Carol Markowitz]

It's up to you if you need to.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Yeah, we will be right back on Normally with a new trend in designer babies.

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[Carol Markowitz]

Welcome back to Normally where we don't think that you should be designing your perfect baby, but we seem to be in the ever growing minority on this. I am not sure exactly why so many people have decided that you must make a perfect child. You must make a baby that has no issues whatsoever or no potential issues whatsoever. This all started with a piece in the Times the next parenting trend starts before conception. For as little as 2,500, you can choose your future baby, should you? And it's about this company called Orcid, where they do embryo screening and the world's first whole genome embryo screen. And the woman who runs the organization, Noor Siddiqui, tweets, what if your baby never walks? What if they're never able to live independently? But if you could have stopped it but chose not to? That's the question Orchid Inc. S embryo screening forces you optimize everything. Career, diet, skin care. But you're going to chance it on your child's genome, one of the most significant determinants of their health. First of all, I don't optimize everything. Let's be real here. I just had French toast for breakfast. I did not feel like I was optimizing my diet, nor my career, nor my skin care. It could all be much improved. I'll say that. You know, because I'm Ashkenazi Jewish, I carry a bunch of different stuff, right? And with every child I had, more tests became available. And when we had our third kid, the test came up as basically like, your child may be blind because you carry a blindness gene. And I thought about it because obviously I was never going to abort. But had I not already had two kids, I think this would have scared the crap out of me because I already had two kids and they were fine. I was like, I don't even know what this is anymore. I Don't know why you're telling me this. I have two healthy children. The fact that I carry this gene does not actually mean that they're going to be blind. So you're giving me incorrect information. And I wonder how many kids are aborted because of information like that.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

And the New York Times has actually covered this admirably. The, the, the epidemic of false positives for really catastrophic health issues that people get in utero. And that is what happens. And then they did a little deeper dive on exactly how reliable these tests are. And it's, it's not great. Yeah. So I wonder what we're setting ourselves up for here. I want to talk about Nur Siddiqi as possibly the worst spokesperson.

[Carol Markowitz]

Oh yeah.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

For anything ever there. This is a thing that, as you point out, people have real concerns. I don't want to diminish those concerns. I feel very blessed to have four healthy children. You never know what life's going to throw at you.

[Carol Markowitz]

You really don't.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

And I understand the desire to sort of control that and see what you can do to optimize it. I hate the idea of it as a skincare regimen.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

My children aren't a skincare regimen. They're a miracle created by their parents. But she is sort of a classic left leaning figure in that there is a clear moral issue here that we should talk about. And by the way, we called, you know, Sydney Sweeney a eugenicist. But this is fine, right?

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

We're celebrating this. She doesn't recognize the moral dilemma at all and is in fact horribly dismissive and nasty to anyone who has an issue with it. So the first one I noticed, first tweet I noticed from her says most kids are born by accident. And yet we stigmatize parents who plan ahead, who screen embryos to prevent deadly, now preventable diseases. If we. If you wouldn't screen, fine. Just be honest. You're okay with your kid potentially suffering for life so you can feel morally superior.

[Carol Markowitz]

Bro.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Okay, calm down. Noor. Yeah. No. Your kid potentially suffering. You're. We're protective of our children. Like our children who exist.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

You're not eliminating disease. You're eliminating a person.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

With disease. That's what you're doing. So then someone asks her honest question, would you have destroyed our son with severe hypertrophic cardiomyopathy before he was born? She says ORCID doesn't decide which embryo embryo's parents transfer. The parents do. It's their call, their future, their call. Or it's their Family, their future, their call. What's actually insane is outsiders trying to deny families the right to know and choose for themselves. You don't get to hijack that decision and impose your morality on someone else's family. Her first tweet about the you being morally superior suggests she would gladly impose her morality on you and is doing so currently. Then she says it genuinely surprises her that people don't support parents making the choice to gather more information or not and then decide what to do with that information. I hate this thing where people are like, I'm just gonna slam people who disagree with me and be mystified that anyone would disagree.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right, right. Because she also, in that same tweet you read the last two lines were. Or because, you know, you just be honest, you're okay with your kid potentially suffering for life so you could feel morally superior. And then the last line is, because you can't be inconvenienced for two weeks to extract eggs and check for genetic issues before they develop. Dude. I mean, that's not how I want to have a baby.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

She's unhinged. She's unhinged. Ross Douthit is interviewing her in another New York Times podcast, and he asks her about, basically, like, if you want to remove the idea of procreation from the world as a physical act between two people who create a baby, isn't there something we lose in that exchange? Something human? And he reads her, like, a little segment of a poem, and he's quite emotional about it, and she just goes, what do you mean? It's like, I. It is a. It is an intellectual failing to take on something with all of these moral implications and not have considered any of them.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah, it's wild that there's so much defense of this. Like, of course you'd want to have a perfect child. Well, yeah, having children, I. You know, I had a. I would say my obstetrician was a fairly leftist woman living in New York City. But one thing that she said to me at one point was, having a baby is more art than science. And that's always how I've seen it. It's not supposed to be perfect. You're not supposed to design your perfect little specimen. It's an art project more than anything else. And it's something that you have to take the good and the bad. And even if you do design the perfect genome and the perfect healthy baby, you don't know what's going to happen. You don't know what life is going to bring. Are you throwing this kid out if something goes wrong, if they get into an accident, if something happens to them. Of course not. So I really think that this creation of the perfect is. It's weird and it's not something that we should get involved in.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Yeah. And this sales pitch in particular is pretty repulsive at basically every turn. They should maybe think about hiring someone else to speak in public about this.

[Carol Markowitz]

Anybody else.

[Mary Kathryn Gates Garcia]

Yeah. By the way, I remember back in the days of when we were talking about stem cell research and all of that was a big deal, that I believe George W. Bush had sort of a bioethicist panel or people who actually sat around and thought about this, and I feel like we need to be doing more of that. The ship is sailing on a couple things quite quickly that I think we need a little more discussion about, and this is one of them.

[Carol Markowitz]

Absolutely. Well, thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get in touch with us@ normallythepodmail.com thanks for listening. And when things get weird, act normally.

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