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Am Kamal Markowitz and we had another calm weekend. You know when I got the text from from you I already had already seen that the US had Bombed Iran. But I almost was like, oh my God, did something else happen?
Mary Kathryn Ham
No, that's the only one I was referring to at that moment. Yeah, I had a fun, exciting Friday because I was on the Five, which is a programming note I should have given our listeners and forgot about it.
Kamal Markowitz
And look, I heard from friends, I heard your co host Mary Katherine was on the Five. I was like, oh, that's amazing.
Mary Kathryn Ham
And I'm not going to say that I convinced the president on the 5, but I will note the timing that 24 hours later this decision was made.
Kamal Markowitz
You know, yes, yes, Mary Catherine gets the results. So I will say, and I think I've said this on the show, but I was actually very mixed on the US striking and I had, you know, reasons for that. I didn't think it would lead to World War three. That wasn't one of them. I didn't think it meant American boots on the ground. But for one thing, I wanted Israel to really show the world that they, they can handle themselves. And I think that they absolutely can. Israel has a best friend in the White House right now, but they can't, you know, rely on American political whims. I think if Democrats gets elected, Democrats are getting progressively more anti Israel, they won't necessarily be able to rely on America. I want them to be able to handle themselves. And look, they have I, you know, when explaining what's going on and I ran to my teen, I said Israel brought them to their knees and America kicked them in the teeth. That's like what I see it as. Having said all that, this is what allies do. And when the US had their global wars on terror, European allies participated even though did we need them to participate? Not so much. But this is what allies do. And so I liked seeing America stand by Israel and help in times of trouble.
Mary Kathryn Ham
Yeah. So let me just do the rundown real quick. The US military carried out its attack against Iran's nuclear program early on Sunday local time. It was codenamed Operation Midnight Hammer. The mission involved seven B2 Spirit bombers. What now?
Kamal Markowitz
Operation Hammer. I mean, maybe it was you. How do you not take full credit?
Mary Kathryn Ham
That's a really good point, Carol. Midnight Hammer. The mission involved seven B2 Spirit bombers. Those are the stealth bombers that you guys have seen perhaps at flyovers in the past carrying massive 30,000 pound bunker buster bombs known as massive ordnance Penetrators. It appears that a dozen of the bombs were used to strike Iran's deeply buried enrichment site at Fordo or Fordow. I'm not sure exactly which way to say it? Two weapons were also used to strike an underground centrifuge facility at Iran's main enrichment site in Natanz. Concurrent with the bombings, a US Submarine submarine launched more than two dozen cruise missiles. Those weapons hit buildings and tunnels. Interested as a third nuclear site at Isfahan first, can I say, because I've said before, I'm starved for institutions that do what they're supposed to do extremely well. This mission did what it was supposed to do extremely well. No leaks, no operational security problems.
Kamal Markowitz
That's right.
Mary Kathryn Ham
Went 30 hour round trip into Iran, bombed three sites, left, as the DOD says in a press conference. Not a shot fired at them, no awareness that they were there. They refueled twice in the air. This is the way this is supposed to work. And to see it be successful in that way is just, the military is the institution I have the most confidence of all of ours. But to watch them succeed is good. To watch them succeed on behalf of an ally who has been succeeding in surprising ways for the last two years is also good. And I just think this is a. I'm glad I don't have to make these decisions because I, like you, was like, I think this is a great window of opportunity. And also, what's the fallout? No pun intended. Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. Those saying that the strike is bad use all sorts of arguments that make me conclude they obviously can't have a nuclear weapon. They're like, they're going to retaliate in all these horrible ways. And I'm like, well, yes, yes, this.
Kamal Markowitz
That makes no sense to me is that all of the arguments would be so much worse with nuclear weapons. And, you know, a lot of the people who talk about. So they end up saying Iran's not trying to get a nuclear weapon, which is obviously untrue. And we're going to play a clip right now from Marco Ruby in a second. But I just want to go back to the one point you made about operational security. Jennifer Griffin at Fox News said, In the past 18 years, I've never seen this level of operational security at the Pentagon. And this is really a credit to Pete Hegseth, who had a really rocky start in this administration. But seeing him and Marco Rubio and, you know, J.D. vance behind the President, I was at peace. I felt very like these people have it under control. I especially, I mean, Hegseth and Rubio to me are just pinnacle of what's going on in this administration and the, the absolute security I feel when I see them. All right, let's roll the Marco Rubio clip about whether or not Iran actually wanted to obtain nukes.
Mary Kathryn Ham
Are you saying there that the United States did not see intelligence that the Supreme Leader had ordered weaponization? That's irrelevant. I see that question being asked on the media.
Kamal Markowitz
That's an irrelevant question. But that is a key point in U.S. intelligence assessments, you know. No, it's not.
Mary Kathryn Ham
Yes, it was the political decision. I know that better than you know that and I know that that's not the case. But I'm asking you whether the order was given and the people who say that it doesn't matter if the order was given, they have everything they need to build nuclear weapons. Why would you bury, why would you bury things in a mountain 300ft under the ground? Why would you bury six? Why do they have 60% enriched uranium? You don't need 60% enriched uranium. The only countries in the world that have uranium at 60% are countries that have nuclear weapons because they can quickly make it 90. They have all the elements they have. Why are they, why do they have a space program? Is Iran going to go to the moon? No. They're trying to build an icb. No, but that's a question. That's a question of intent. And you know in the intelligence assessment that it was that Iran wanted to be a threshold. How do you know what use this leverage. I'm talking about what the intelligence assessment March assessment. And that's why I was asking you if you know something more from that. That's also an inaccurate representation of it. That's an accurate representation of it. That's not how intelligence is read. That's not how intelligence is used. Here's what the whole world knows. Forget about intelligence, what the IAEA knows. They are enriching uranium well beyond anything you need for a civil nuclear program. So why would you ENRICH Uranium at 60% if you don't intend to one day use it, to take it to 90 and build a weapon? Why are you, why are you developing ICBMs? Why do you have 8,000 short range missiles and 2 to 3,000 long mid range missiles that you continue to develop? Why do you do all these things? They have everything they need for a nuclear weapon. They have the delivery mechanisms, they have the enrichment capability. They have the highly enriched uranium that is stored. That's all we need to see.
Kamal Markowitz
How does she ask him questions like that and not think this is going to be the result? Just so on point. He knows his stuff. So, so backwards and forwards. This is why he has 17 jobs.
Mary Kathryn Ham
In our government and the IAEA. The fact that he's using the International Atomic Energy Agency, which is, of course this intergovernmental agency that is headquartered in Vienna. It's all the things the libs love. And the IAEA is the source for the 60% number, which makes a civilian nuclear program, an energy nuclear program, not make any sense. Because, as he said, 60% is way above what you would need for that. And that's why they put it three stories underground. I just, I think that, I think that Trump saw an opportunity to join Netanyahu in a generational, once in a lifetime chance at changing the face of the Middle east and at getting to a place where, as he says, sometimes you need toughness for peace. Which is his own spin on peace through strength. He saw this as an opportunity to do that. And that has been his strength in the Middle east in the past. When he moved the embassy, right when he went after Soleimani. He rejects the sort of Georgetown Foreign Service take on foreign policy. And that consensus has been a trap in many cases for presidents in the past. And so he's done these things that have not ignited World War Three when everyone told us they would. And I do think it's a strength of his. CNN was saying, I was watching shortly after his speech and one reporter was saying, well, you know the thing about the Trump White House, very insular. And they don't talk to the same people that you would normally talk to when you're contemplating something like this. And I was like, yes, that, that is the point, for better or worse, whether you disagree with him or agree with him on this, that's the point of this administration, is to not talk to the same people.
Kamal Markowitz
Yep, yep, that's exactly it. Trump is his own thing. And we like that about him in some cases. Obviously we have problems with it in others. But this was a classic Trump decision making based on what he knows in his gut, what he has gotten from competent people around him. And I just, I can't possibly praise him enough in times like this. I think this is really where he shines. I want to say that one of the normie concerns I've heard is that Iran will now look at ways to hit America. What I want people to understand is Iran is always looking for ways to hit America. It started in 1979, taking of 66American hostages for two years. But there have been numerous other attacks throughout the years. A 1983 truck bomb at our military base killed 220 U.S. marines and 21 other service personnel in Beirut, various murders of our service people in Iraq during that war, it was Iranian militias would come in and kill our people. And last November, the US Justice Department announced charges against an Iranian national and two American accomplices for plotting to assassinate President Trump. I feel like that story was. Even Tucker Carlson said, you know, if that was true, it'd be a front page news. The fact that it wasn't front page news that our Justice Department announced charges. This isn't like we heard a rumor. It's just, it's unclear to Americans that this has been going on. I feel like a lot of people feel like we're in a war with Iran now, but they've been in a war with us for decades. And it's important to understand that nobody wants to a hot war. Nobody wants more interactions with the Iranian regime, but they have been plotting and trying this on us for literally decades.
Mary Kathryn Ham
Yeah. Tommy Vitor, who is a, an Obama bro, which is of a completely opposite philosophy on Iran, said Iran might retaliate today, tomorrow, or in months or a year from now. Iran or its proxies might blow up a bus filled with American tourists in Cyprus. No one knows what comes next. Bombing Iran started something that we no longer have the capacity to predict or contain. I said, siri, please describe Iran's behavior from 1979 until now. Right. That was the state of play already. And because they do war through terrorist proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis, sometimes people don't recognize that as Iran. Marjorie Taylor Greene was saying, I don't know anyone who's been injured by Iran. And I was like, yes, you do. Yes, because there's tons of soldiers in the state of Georgia who have been injured or killed by Iranian proxies. That's a really important thing to remember. And I think the state of play now, minus nuclear capabilities and having destroyed much of that, we don't have the exact damage assessments at this point. But having destroyed much of that, we are undoubtedly safer with this same regime not having the nuclear capabilities than having it. Absolutely. Then you get to the question of like, is this Libya? And will it become an unstable region for that reason? But again, I think even unstable without nuclear capabilities is better than what we had.
Kamal Markowitz
Right. And also about the proxies, there's a really excellent article. I think it was in yesterday's Wall Street Journal by Elliot Kaufman. It's called Benjamin Netanyahu versus Qassem Soleimani. And the part that I want to people to know is this three months before the 2020 US killing of Qassam Soleimani, the legendary Quds Force commander laid out his life's work. Quote, this is a quote from Soleimani. I have assembled for you six armies outside Iran and I've created a corridor 1500 kilometers long and 1000 kilometers wide all the way to the shores of the Mediterranean. Soleimani told Iran's army chiefs, any enemy that decides to fight against Islamic revolution and against the sacred regime of the Islamic Republic of Iran will have to go through these six armies. It won't be able to do so. And Elliot writes, yet Israel did. Rather than circumvent Soleimani strategy, Jerusalem has fought Tehran on its own terms. Of Salmani's six armies, only the Houthis and Iraq's popular mobilization units have escaped. Israel fought through Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, wiping out their leadership and slicing up their missiles arsenals, leaving the Assad regime in Syria to crumble without support. The proxies mattered and again, our alliance with Israel matters that we had the same goal of taking out the Iranian nuclear program. And in order to do that, Israel had to fight through these armies first. That is what allyship should be about. That is what allies do for each other.
Mary Kathryn Ham
Well, and from the safety perspective back home. And that's why this huge window up. Well, no, not huge window, a small window of opportunity. Because if you leave them to their own devices, they will rebuild all of those missile capabilities that had just been taken out by Israel, which made this much safer to attempt. They're weaker than they've ever been because of Israel's work. We didn't have to do a lot of that work. Israel did almost all of it. We have capabilities to do this last part where you can go deep into the bunkers with these massive ordnance penetrators, which I believe this is the first time they've been used for the thing they're supposed to be used for. And at this moment they are quite possibly weaker than they will ever be in the future because they hadn't begun to rebuild those capacities. So again, I believe, I know there are people who don't. There's a completely different philosophy from the Tommy Vitor's of the world, that if you just talk to these people and you give them a bunch of money and you let Iranian assets sit inside the American government and influence people and you open the border to whoever you want to for four years to let unvetted people come in and like maybe start sleeper cells that, that will succeed in bringing safety. But to me that doesn't look like peace. That looks like danger. And taking out this operation in a successful way looks a lot more close to peace.
Kamal Markowitz
Exactly. It is a more peaceful time in the Middle east today because of Americans actions over the weekend. And anybody who disagrees with that is simply wrong. Again, it may not have seemed like we were at war with Iran all along, but we have been, and that's a reality that we have to face.
Mary Kathryn Ham
I'm going to throw this one out there because I just want to give it some space. I am not of the mind that you need congressional approval for a bombing run. I don't think that's ever been the case in my lifetime. But some are making that argument now. Some of them. There are some people who are making that who have been consistent on it for many years. There are some who are making that argument who think it's unconstitutional when Trump does a bombing run without congressional approval, but not when Obama did a bombing run. Congressional approval, which is. That's Nancy Pelosi's position. Is that Libya good, this bad?
Kamal Markowitz
Yeah. There's also the fact that we last month bombed the Houthis for weeks.
Mary Kathryn Ham
For, like weeks.
Kamal Markowitz
Nobody said anything. Is it just because this involves Israel? Is it just that this is a bigger power? But I think Iran has been exposed as not being this superpower that we were all worried it was becoming. And again, you know, with the nuclear program would have been a different story, but we've done these kinds of bombings without congressional approval. The thing is, I would love for Congress to go back to being the, you know, the permission giver for all kinds of things, but you can't. Don't. Don't tell me you're starting right now. Don't tell me this is the one that you need to. This is the one that we need permission for. All the other ones were irrelevant. I just don't buy it.
Mary Kathryn Ham
Yeah, I don't either. I do think it seems like the rift that we addressed last week, which we noted happens mostly at upper level policy discussions and. Or online instead of in the real world. I think that will remain the case if this was a successful mission, which already seems so, by being undetected and everybody getting home safe, if it was also successful in reaching the goal that we wanted to reach. American voters largely have no issue with that. They are pro, as I call it, Trump's doctrine of occasional bellicosity. Like, I'm just gonna shoot somebody and then I'm gonna come home. Like, he's not interested in the second part now. He Truthed about regime change, which got people a little nervous. But what he's saying is, okay, Iranian people, you can make Iran great again.
Kamal Markowitz
M I g a miga his actual truth. Tweet, whatever. It's not politically correct to use the term regime change, but if the current Iranian regime is unable to make Iran great again, why wouldn't there be a regime change? Miga, make Iran great again. When he's good, he's so good. I can't.
Mary Kathryn Ham
I also enjoyed the quote from his address, which was. His address was really solid. When he came out, I knew he was going to nail it because I was looking for short and sweet like, you don't need a lot after this. And I didn't want him on a bunch of Trumpian tangents. He came out, he nailed the name of all three sites, and I was like, my dude has been practicing, and he nailed that. He went on for just a few minutes and not without Trumpian flourish. My favorite one was, if they do anything else, the consequences will be much bigger than this and. And much easier.
Kamal Markowitz
Right? My favorite was we love God.
Mary Kathryn Ham
We love God. Can I. Can I say that? I think because I am a person of faith. I think there is providence involved in this. I think there was Providence in John Paul ii, Thatcher and Reagan being aligned against communism. I think there is providence in Bibi, Netanyahu and Trump against all odds, serving together twice and getting like a do over on this.
Kamal Markowitz
Right? And I think. I really do think Trump was never the God guy. And I'm also a person of faith. I believe in God. And I always thought that God plays a hand in a lot of what we see happening. But Trump wasn't. And I think that the attempt on his life in Butler really changed him. You could see it in so many different ways around him. But at the end of the address, he said, I just want to thank everybody, in particular God. I want to just say, we love you, God, and we love our great military. Protect them. God bless the Middle East, God bless Israel, and God bless America. You know, it's really wonderful to see him in that place. Of course, there's a lot of people who are concerned about it. The Daily Beast headline yesterday was, donald Trump's Strange God Talk has people concerned. It does not have me concerned. It has me very happy, actually, that.
Mary Kathryn Ham
This is another, like, deep divide between elite commentary and normal people. Normal people regularly have thoughts about how God is directing their lives and hope to put God's blessing on various missions and various leaders. That's a very normal thought for normal people to have. But in the Daily Beast newsroom and the New York Times newsroom, not so much.
Kamal Markowitz
Right? Yeah. How dare he.
Mary Kathryn Ham
I don't want to be triumphalist about it, but I do think he took a very brave chance. He was decisive in the ways that I think made him worth voting for over oh gosh. Imagine a Harris administration right now.
Kamal Markowitz
Kamala Harris right now. I just. Oh gosh.
Mary Kathryn Ham
And when I said that earlier about the like Iranian assets in the American government, these things are real. These are real stories that don't get a lot of play. But in the Biden government there were like Iranian folks just hanging around, advising, influencing from outside in and inside. They gave the Obama administration authorized giving them billions in just pallets of cash. Cash while they said wink wink. I'm sure you guys won't build a bomb. Right?
Kamal Markowitz
Right.
Mary Kathryn Ham
And it's just brain dead. Like I don't understand anything about that philosophy. I think this one is better and I think we would have been unsafe with Harris in office.
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Well, and the one that a lot of people are flagging is that conservatives who make 30k a year are exactly as happy as liberals who make 100k.
Kamal Markowitz
That's amazing.
Mary Kathryn Ham
That is quite a stat. And look, I don't want to overread this stuff, but it's been consistent over many different types of studies, different types of polling. Obviously this is self reported, but your self reported happiness matters if you perceive yourself as happy. That's part of how it works. There's some theory of course, that liberals over report mental illness and also that conservatives underreport it. Right. Because it might not be in their cohort fashionable to say like I'm dealing with this or that.
Kamal Markowitz
Right.
Mary Kathryn Ham
Also though, like liberals incentivize having some sort of mental malady to earn the right to be heard or to like exist within their coalition.
Kamal Markowitz
Right.
Mary Kathryn Ham
You have to be like, yeah, I am just like a white lady. But also look at my three conditions and that's why I'm an okay person.
Kamal Markowitz
There's also our buddy Ian Miller on X posted. Because the worldview of the political left requires a delusional obsession with trying to solve mostly non existent problems. They replace religion with politics when their politics are a never ending uphill battle against reality. That makes sense to me as well. A lot of people are saying, oh, conservatives are lying. They're just lying about their happiness. Why? Why would you lie about it?
Mary Kathryn Ham
Oh, and by the way, I think lying about your own happiness probably leads you to be a little bit happier. There's all the things that show repeatedly that they serve happiness. Conservatives are into building families, cherishing that family time, having faith. These are like the things that liberals have to sort of do begrudgingly that we do happily are the things that actually show, repeatedly create happiness. We also I think have people, particularly people of faith, have an acceptance that we live in a fallen world and therefore things will not progress to perfection.
Kamal Markowitz
Yeah.
Mary Kathryn Ham
Via government program or our lives or whatever it is. And so you sort of, you're playing with that built in and you understand that life is hard and that you cherish the beautiful moments more is my experience with our cohort versus other others who don't have faith.
Kamal Markowitz
Yeah, absolutely. And Abigail Schreier wrote this in her last book. But you know, the more you wallow in your unhappiness, the the worse you feel. And it's, it's why her book is called Bad Therapy. I recommend it to everybody all the time. But it's why kids who go to therapy actually don't end up being happier. They end up being less happy because they're constantly talking about their problems and wallowing in those problems makes you less happy. And there's nothing the left enjoys more than the wallowing.
Mary Kathryn Ham
I mean this, it does seem sort of obvious what's happening here. And the, you know, I'm going to raise my kids in the faith and also, you know, with conservative values and thinking that America's just the greatest and not wallowing or being victims. I would do that anyway because I'm me. But I would do it on the evidence if I were honestly reading the evidence because I think their outcomes will be better.
Kamal Markowitz
That is the truth. Well, thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get in touch with us@ normallythepodmail.com thanks for listening. And when things get weird, act normally.
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Podcast Information:
The episode begins at [02:07] with hosts Mary Kathryn Ham and Kamal Markowitz delving into the significant developments in US-Iran relations, specifically focusing on a recent military action known as Operation Midnight Hammer.
Mary Kathryn Ham provides a detailed breakdown of Operation Midnight Hammer at [04:44]:
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Mary Kathryn Ham [04:59]: "Went 30 hour round trip into Iran, bombed three sites, left, as the DOD says in a press conference. Not a shot fired at them, no awareness that they were there."
Kamal Markowitz reflects on the operation's success and its broader implications at [05:26]:
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Markowitz [07:14]: "Operation Hammer...this is what allies do. And so I liked seeing America stand by Israel and help in times of trouble."
The discussion pivots to Iran's intentions regarding nuclear weapons:
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Ham [08:35]: "Here's why they put it three stories underground. I just think Trump saw an opportunity...to join Netanyahu in a generational, once in a lifetime chance at changing the face of the Middle East."
Markowitz counters arguments minimizing Iran's nuclear threats, asserting the necessity of the strike to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons:
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Markowitz [10:26]: "Iran is always looking for ways to hit America... they've been plotting and trying this on us for literally decades."
The hosts praise the Trump administration's decisive action and strategic partnerships:
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Ham [16:57]: "CNN was saying...that is the point, for better or worse, whether you disagree with him or agree with him on this, that's the point of this administration."
Markowitz commends Trump for relying on competent advisors and gut instincts rather than conventional political pressure, viewing this as a strength in handling foreign policy.
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Markowitz [19:36]: "We have done these kinds of bombings without congressional approval...I just don't buy it."
A contentious point arises regarding the necessity of congressional approval for military strikes:
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Ham [18:50]: "Some are making that who have been consistent on it for many years...I just don't buy it."
Markowitz dismisses the need for congressional permission in this context, advocating for executive decisiveness in national security matters.
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Markowitz [20:21]: "Don't tell me this is the one that you need to. This is the one that we need permission for. All the other ones were irrelevant."
The hosts provide a historical perspective on US-Iran tensions, emphasizing the long-standing conflict and the recurring theme of Iranian hostility towards American interests.
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Markowitz [14:14]: "They've been in a war with us for decades. And it's important to understand that nobody wants a hot war, but they have been plotting and trying this on us for literally decades."
Transitioning to a lighter topic, Markowitz and Ham discuss a recent study highlighting the happiness disparity between conservatives and liberals:
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Markowitz [28:48]: "Conservatives who make 30k a year are exactly as happy as liberals who make 100k. That is quite a stat."
The conversation explores underlying factors contributing to higher happiness among conservatives:
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Ham [31:06]: "We have people, particularly people of faith, have an acceptance that we live in a fallen world and therefore things will not progress to perfection."
Markowitz adds that mental health practices common in liberal circles, like constant therapy, may inadvertently contribute to lower happiness levels.
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Markowitz [32:26]: "The more you wallow in your unhappiness, the worse you feel. There's nothing the left enjoys more than the wallowing."
Wrapping up, the hosts reaffirm their perspectives on both the US-Iran conflict and the happiness study, emphasizing the effectiveness of their discussed strategies and values.
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Ham [34:11]: "When things get weird, act normally."
Mary Kathryn Ham [04:59]: "Went 30 hour round trip into Iran, bombed three sites, left, as the DOD says in a press conference. Not a shot fired at them, no awareness that they were there."
Kamal Markowitz [07:14]: "Operation Hammer...this is what allies do. And so I liked seeing America stand by Israel and help in times of trouble."
Markowitz [10:26]: "Iran is always looking for ways to hit America... they've been plotting and trying this on us for literally decades."
Mary Kathryn Ham [18:50]: "Some are making that who have been consistent on it for many years...I just don't buy it."
Kamal Markowitz [28:48]: "Conservatives who make 30k a year are exactly as happy as liberals who make 100k. That is quite a stat."
Mary Kathryn Ham [31:06]: "We have people, particularly people of faith, have an acceptance that we live in a fallen world and therefore things will not progress to perfection."
This episode of "Normally Podcast: Understanding the US-Iran Conflict" offers an in-depth analysis of recent US military actions against Iran's nuclear capabilities, examining the strategic rationale, implications for international alliances, and the broader historical context of US-Iran relations. Additionally, the discussion transitions to a sociopolitical exploration of happiness disparities between conservatives and liberals, attributing higher happiness levels among conservatives to factors such as family values, faith, and resilience. The hosts provide a comprehensive and opinionated perspective, enriched with notable quotes and detailed insights, making the episode a valuable resource for listeners seeking to understand the complexities of US foreign policy and internal sociopolitical dynamics.