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Mary Kathryn Ham
Hey guys, we are back on. Normally the show with Normalish takes for when the news gets weird. I am Mary Kathryn Ham.
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Carol Markowicz
And I'm Carol Markowicz. Hi, Mary Kathryn. You were on a very interesting trip this weekend.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
I was. I had a very meaningful Memorial Day weekend, which I always try to have a grateful and great Memorial Day weekend because it is a. Like a solemn holiday on top of being the kickoff of summer. But I was in a position to really appreciate the sacrifices of our soldiers from years gone by because I was in Poland for a tour of several of the death camps. Not to start us off on a really dark foot this morning, but it was a very overwhelming trip. It's hard to. I think the human psyche is not great even at taking in one or two deaths of people, you know, close to you. And then to try to absorb the truth of. Of what truly happens. There is. Is a lot for one weekend. But it did make me think even more about those who gladly and bravely went to fight against those horrors during World War II. My grandparents were among them, thankfully did not lose their lives in that war, which is why I'm here today. But it was incredibly disturbing and moving. And there were, of course, stories of survival and. And the righteous among the nations helping out. We. We visited the Warsaw Zoo, where the zookeeper and his wife saved more than 300 Jews during the Holocaust by having them stay in their basement and be shipped off to other places in Poland. I know you've been to Poland before. Just a very. Yeah, just truly a sad story of a nation where so many Jews and Catholics, in the way that it was possible to coexist in the early 20th century, had actually found ways to do that in certain places. And then the. Like, the whole country just gets overrun and exterminated. Not just Jews, but, like millions and millions of Catholics as well in Poland. And then they get the Communists. Like it. Is it a very sad story of a nation torn apart.
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Carol Markowicz
It is.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
And also a lovely place now, by the way. Yeah.
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Carol Markowicz
I loved Warsaw. I thought it was a beautiful little city.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Yeah. And. And fairly prosperous at this point, too, because of some free market inclinations of that country versus other places in Europe. But the. The current events tie in, unfortunately. There is one is that as I was flying to this, you know, very intentional tour to take in this sad history, on my layover, I heard about the murder of two young Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, D.C. which just adds another layer of. Well, this is what we're learning about, clearly. A. An act of political terrorism perpetrated by a man from Chicago who's A lefty anti Zionist activist.
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Carol Markowicz
Yeah.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
And decided that the way to express that was to cold blooded murder two young promising Jewish people in Washington D.C. on the street.
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Carol Markowicz
So what's interesting is actually the man that was murdered is a Christian and I feel like a lot of people don't realize that, but he is an Israeli Christian. He served in the idf, but he was raised a Christian and he was pretty committed to his Christianity. The ambassador made a comment about him being a dedicated Christian. What's what I think people need to get about that and why I think it's important to mention that they weren't both Jews is this is not going to just come for Jews. And.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Right.
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Carol Markowicz
While I am very, very worried about the rise of antisemitism in America, I've been worried about this for a good decade plus. I, I think what people need to really see here is leftist violence is growing and it is, yes, it targets right now Jews or you know, quote unquote, Zionist, which is just people who have the belief that Israel should exist, which could be anybody really. I, I think even, even people who I've heard kind of, you know, be on the anti Israel side ultimately a lot of them think Israel should exist anyway and they are Zionist, therefore. So this kind of violence is spreading. I wrote about it for the Post a few weeks ago. I called it, you know, assassination culture. The killing of the healthcare CEO in the street and you know, the killer being celebrated, all of that is, puts us in a really dangerous place. When you can kill people on the street because you don't like their opinions and then be celebrated for it, it will create more copycats, it will create more danger for us all. So again, while yes, you know, it, obviously I see it, I see problems for Jews, I think it's a real problem for all Americans and I hope that people see it that way.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
No, I think that's important too. And in the official channels and in the neutral channels where, where people would, you know, should and condemn these things, you get, you know, the Ilhan Omars of the world.
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Carol Markowicz
Yeah.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Who say nothing and walk away. She's not going to comment on that. You get very mainstream, like just elite college professors and stuff applauding this action, justifying this action. Or in places like cnn, you get reporting that says like we can't find any evidence of leftist extremism, like it doesn't exist. But to your point, when people gather under the banner of Hamas or Hezbollah, Hamas and Hezbollah are not just dedicated to the extermination of the Jews, although That is their first priority. It is about overtaking all of us. That is the express value of a Hezbollah or a Hamas. That's. That is their mission. So that's a. That's a great point. Absolutely. Just a very sad story. Jerome Lechinsky and Sarah Lynn Milgram were their names. By all accounts, just lovely people who are perhaps just about engaged to be. About to be. Engaged to be married.
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Carol Markowicz
And she was a peacenik, which is another, you know, a frame to this is they keep killing the peaceniks. They keep killing the people that want to figure out a way to live together. And, you know, this idea that, oh, they're just killing, you know, genocidal Zionists. They're. They're really killing people who want the best for Palestinians. I always like to say Israelis care about Palestinians more than Palestinian leadership does. This is another example of that.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Another example of that. By the way, this will make your blood boil in a very special way. The morning that we went to Auschwitz and Birkenau, the. The spot on which 1.3 million people were murdered, about 20 minutes from there, 30 minutes. Not. Not a long car drive from there in Krakow, on the town square, we were sort of decompressing as a group after this very heavy morning. And, you know, several days of. Of this trip, and. And there was a, you know, pro Hamas.
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Carol Markowicz
Yeah.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Free Palestine march through the Krakow, Poland, public square. And I just. It really, in that moment crystallizes, this is why Israel must and will exist forever. Like, you ran them out of Israel. They go to Poland. You exting. You exterminate them from Poland. And then the lefties on campuses here brilliantly, are like, you guys just got to go back to your homeland in Poland.
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Carol Markowicz
Like, Right.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Because there's a whole group of people still in this place, 30 minutes from Auschwitz who are like, I don't like when the Jews fight back.
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Carol Markowicz
Yeah.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Just boldly proclaiming they may have they. There were some words between their group and ours.
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Carol Markowicz
Oh, really?
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Mary Kathryn Ham
So just a little. But, you know, was it Guy Benson?
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Carol Markowicz
Was a Guy Benson trouble?
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Mary Kathryn Ham
No, he. But he wished he was there because he did not get to engage in that. But I don't know if it was the same group, but I saw reports of. Of pro Palestinian protesters being inside a synagogue, shouting down a Jewish event at a synagogue. There's like 13 Jews left in Poland, like, and still they cannot engage in just having a. A public event.
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Carol Markowicz
No, they can't. Yeah.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Yeah, it's. It's a very. It's a hard place to get to but it is a, and a hard experience but one that I recommend for really. I mean as much as you know, on paper when you see it, it's like I said, very much clarifies the reason that that a place where the Jews can be in defend themselves and live in harmony with those who choose to live in Israel as this Christian man did and make, make that country his love and his cause is just so important.
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Carol Markowicz
Absolutely. Well, this is actually isn't one of our official topics for today. This is just the intro to the normally program Democrats. Mary Catherine, how are they doing?
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Mary Kathryn Ham
You know, not great. There was a new New York Times piece illustrating just I feel like every week there's new data or new crunching of data that illustrates to the left like a giant flashing red sign, the things you are doing are not working. The things you are doing are being rejected by the very people you claim to want to help. I mean in huge numbers. They can tell themselves all day as we discussed last week, that you know, they're doing this for working class and minorities and that's why they're so special and good is that they, they make, they want to make life better for these people. And those exact groups are saying no.
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Carol Markowicz
Right. And people listen to them.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
In this New York Times piece goes into over a couple of elections how the, the vast majority of counties in this country have moved notably right over three elections.
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Carol Markowicz
Right.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
And that is, that's bad news story.
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Carol Markowicz
Here is that it wasn't just this last election, it was the last three that have seen a real shift to the right in the country.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Yeah. It says this is Shane Goldmacher reporting this all told, Trump has improved every election in 1433 of the nation's 3100 plus counties. Even when he lost in 2020, Democrats have expanded their vote share continuously in only 57 counties.
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Carol Markowicz
Yeah.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
And the demographics of those counties are exactly what you would expect if you're us.
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Carol Markowicz
Right.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
But not what their self conception is. It's just like very elite, affluent, very liberal places.
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Carol Markowicz
That's right.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
It's just not. Yes. I was going to say three of three of the 1400 Trump counties have a median household income above a hundred thousand. Eighteen of the 57 Democratic counties had a medium income income above 100,000.
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Carol Markowicz
Yeah. And he, he notes in not one of the triple trending Trump counties did a majority of adults have a college degree, which is quite significant. And in the 1500 counties with the smallest portion proportion of college graduates, only one steadily voted more Democratic over the last three elections. Trump has solidified this working class base and Democrats really don't seem to know what to do about it. And look, we've said it on the show plenty of times. I think it's enjoyable right now to watch the Democrats scramble around and not know what they're doing. But this can all change. This is not, we are not like, wow, Republicans are going to win forever and Democrats are never going to win again. Because I feel like that's what happens when one party is doing significantly better than the other. That's the conversation. I don't want to be a part of that because I find that so ridiculous. The Democrats will return. This is not the end of the Democrats. But it is kind of fun right now just seeing where it's going.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
A small counterpoint to that because I, you're exactly right. Things will swing. Democrats, I mean, Republicans will overplay their hands and I think they have less leeway for doing that than Democrats do because they, the Democrats have the press to laud them and the Republicans do not.
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Carol Markowicz
Right, exactly.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Um, but we have seen a significant shift in the like sort of generic ballot and how people identify all over Pennsylvania. You've seen these counties flip to red in registration and there's a continued effort led by Scott Pressler to continue that in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. So there are real on the ground like structural gains being made. The other, the other point that might save the Republicans for themselves, from themselves when this eventually happens, when the Democrats sort of like swing back the other way is that the good governments in places like Florida, Georgia, Texas, as compared to California, New York, the places where the abundance Democrats are now screaming like maybe we should make things, I don't know, work here. What has happened is that those places in the south and in, you know, well governed Republican states have become a magnet for so many people that when you start doing the census assessments in 2030.
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Carol Markowicz
Right.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
It gets a lot harder for Democrats to win a presidency because so many people will have moved to states that are more inclined to be red. And once they're there, if they encounter good governance from Republicans, they tend not to want to California, their Georgia. Right. So that is, that's a real structural issue for Democrats that is coming down the pike. Oh, and one more, one more point to that is that all the brain drain from Northeast and mid Atlantic folks who used to send their kids to the Northeast and ivies for school and no longer either can or want to because of the, the way that admissions works, a lot of those very smart and promising young people are going to the south to get their education and then they're like, I like it here. Yeah, right. So it's gonna snowball.
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Carol Markowicz
Absolutely. And there's a lot of writing and thinking on the 2020 census not being correct.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
So it was not right.
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Carol Markowicz
It's going to be really something to see in 2030 when we do have a real census where we see where people have ended up and it's blue. States are going to lose congressional seats and California and New York are definitely poised to lose. Some other states are going to lose them as well. What that will mean for eventual Democrat comeback remains to be seen. Adam Gentleson he was a former Fetterman chief of staff. He also worked for Harry Reid. He tweeted about this article. Everyone should read and absorb this. Candidate quality and lucky breaks kept Dems barely above water for a while. Biden winning by 45, 000 votes etc but now we are getting swamped by the fundamentals. People simply do not like what we're offering. If Democrats take that line seriously then they will make a a comeback sooner than later. I don't know that they take it seriously. I I'm not sure that they are willing to absorb that lesson. I think that they're at the moment still kind of licking their wounds and feeling like right, we'll figure this out and that they will like what we're selling eventually. I'm not sure that that's going to work out for them. Wesley Yang posted a a He posted Coloradans will be mandated by law to bear the cost of cheek implants, lip augmentation, nose job implants for men who are trying to be women. And he notes the Democrat you know everyone said the Democrats will have to moderate on this issue. It's 8020 issue. They can't fight public opinion forever. And Wesley Yang says no. They will literally mandate every public accommodation in the state must use the preferred pronoun of anyone claiming to be a cross sex identity, strip custody from parents who don't agree that their autistic daughter who fell down a TikTok rabbit hole and believes she's a boy is actually a boy and force every citizen to pay for the cheek implants of any man who wants to feminize his face. Democrats are refusing to moderate on issues like this and we're going to see what happens with that.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
I mean this is actually insane by the like. Just so patently insane. By the way, there's plenty of like perimenopausal and menopausal women who would be glad to take you up on this publicly subsidized, like laser treatments and cheek implants. Like what, what is happening that you, I mean, presumably, because this is all subjective. If you lived in Colorado and you were just a woman who felt like you wanted some filler, I mean, you could be, could be like, I am a, I am a man or I want to go the other direction. Here's what. But, but I guess you have to live in Colorado.
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Carol Markowicz
What if I just visit?
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Like, I just need to identify for a certain period of time. But I guess, once again, this would only really benefit dudes. Right?
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Carol Markowicz
Right.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Because the dudes are the ones who get the, the feminization surgery. So if you showed up the other way, it wouldn't, it wouldn't really work for you. Ah, foiled again. Women, right?
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Carol Markowicz
Close.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
No, I, I do think, by the way, Gentleson, who says this, and he's correct, is the same Gentleson who is in the New Yorker in that piece blowing up Fetterman.
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Carol Markowicz
Yeah.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
So Federman is the model for how a purple to red state Democrat would attract people other than progressives. And by being sort of sensible and outspoken about how sensible he is on 8020 issues. And what does Adam Gentleson do? He goes and sabotages that guy because he doesn't like what he says.
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Carol Markowicz
It's real callback. I didn't realize it was the same guy that.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
I believe that's the same guy. So you have that issue, right, where they, they continue to live in this ecosystem where if you, if you do veer into non progressive points of view, which is what the voters would like you to do, there's going to be someone to come around and police you for that and take you down. So I, I actually do think it would be good if this, if this shift means that Democrats have to learn to compete in Louisiana and Florida. And you know, that's, that's. If you get your models from there, they will be healthier models than Nancy Pelosi.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Yeah, it's actually very quite simple as you say. Like if you tell a group of voters that you'd like whose vote you would like for 20 years that they're basically just toxic trash. That's the problem with everything in America. Those people will not want to vote for you.
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Carol Markowicz
Right.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
And the left has done that in such aggressive ways to men that it, no, it doesn't surprise me that young men who many of whom couldn't graduate or couldn't go to prom and have been told because of COVID regulations that have been told that they are toxic for 15 years for the entirety of their growing up. Yes, they do turn to other sources to, to look for someone who, I don't know, doesn't hate them.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
That's part of the quest, right?
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Carol Markowicz
No, it seems easy that, that, you know, don't hate your voters. You're absolutely right.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
By the way, the dude who's supposed to be their savior on this, remember Hassan Piker, who we've talked about? He was suspended by Twitch over the weekend or over last week during the news cycle about that shooting in D.C. because he's saying things like, you know, maybe there's an. I don't think this person acted out of an anti sedimentic desire. And he wanted to truly understand the very reasonable reasons that someone would murder these two people in the street because.
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Carol Markowicz
That he doesn't know anything about in the streets. What could it be?
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Mary Kathryn Ham
I just, I also just think there is a total lack in Democratic elite and consulting class and people who would be listened to of anyone who is just a dude. Right. Because since they've thought dudeness was toxic for 20 years, they filtered it out. Anyone who moved up the chain was not a guy who just likes doing dude things. And I think that now they have none, which is why they have to pay $20 million, by the way.
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Carol Markowicz
Can I point?
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Please get paid for that. I have a. Do I have a contract for you in which I will give you PowerPoints about how these are the things that dudes enjoy. I mean, I just, it's like, stop.
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Carol Markowicz
Saying that everything that they like is bad. I just, I can't see the same thing for women. Like, you know, if you like this, then you, you're. You're MAGA coated. I mean, we get some of that with the sheath dresses and, and all that, but it's like if they targeted what women enjoy in mass, like, if they were like liking Taylor Swift is now bad. Yeah, it just, they would lose women too. I feel like they don't understand that just coming for everything that women that men enjoy is a problem for them. John Hassan summed it up as working out is right wing. Liking hot girls is right wing. Eating red meat is right wing. And he posted the articles. He's not just, you know, floating these ideas. He posted the articles that. These are from, from msnbc, from A Week from the Nation. And then we need $20 million to understand why young men hate us. Like, I have some clues for you guys.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Yes. By the way, can I point out our, our buddy Clay Travis has a new book out that I just love the concept and the title of so Much Balls How Trump Young Men and Sports Saved America, which I do think is a large part of the story of the 2024 election. And it's partly just because Trump was like, I don't hate y' all. I'm gonna go talk to the people that you enjoy listening to and not try to pretend to be something I'm not. And then David Hogg goes on Bill Maher and is like, hey, here's a couple things dudes like. And they were like, cancel him immediately. I mean, cancel that dude.
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Carol Markowicz
Yeah. And it's like, he's barely a dude.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
You know, he's like, I know he's.
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Carol Markowicz
The best they've got. And well, he's.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
And he's trying to. That I like the pivot to dud. Like, it's like this. I'm, I'm, I'm just a total, just normal red blooded male, right? David Hogg. No, you're not right.
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Carol Markowicz
Clay Travis in 2017 made news when he went on CNN and said the two things he believes in completely are the First Amendment and boobs. And if the Democrats kind of return to that, follow Clay Travis, I believe.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
I have to look it up. But I believe I publicly supported him in that back and forth because I was like, I don't, I don't think this is offensive. Everyone who's fainting on their couch right now and also seems like, sort of obvious.
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Carol Markowicz
Yeah. He says he was banned from the network after saying that. And, you know, he, he also noted that he was banned from the network. But the guy who was caught masturbating on camera, he was brought back.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Yeah. Yeah. If I remember correctly, the anchor took great umbrage at this. And I'm just imagining if I had been in the anchor chair, like, I would have just laughed. Right?
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Carol Markowicz
It's funny.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
It's funny. It's okay.
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Carol Markowicz
It's okay. Yeah. All right, well, speaking of boobs, like, let's move into our last topic. We're gonna take a short break and come right back with Normally, let's be.
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I watched the American Music Awards yesterday and I, I generally I'm, I'm not a TV watcher. We've talked about it on here before. I don't watch shows, I don't watch movies, I certainly don't watch award shows. But yesterday there was this whole thing where I don't know if people aren't crazy. Like the way I live with a crazy Taylor Swift fan in my house.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Okay, I was wondering like what's the occasion for this? Gotcha.
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Carol Markowicz
The occasion for this. There was this Taylor Swift fans are waiting for her to re release Reputation, Taylor's version album and there was a rumor and Taylor like leaves these breadcrumbs for her fans to follow and it's this whole thing and I just if you're not in the cult, don't join it now is all I would say to you. But my daughter is in the cult and she had, she, she didn't think she was. It was really going to happen. But widespread rumor that Taylor was going to announce the re release on this show that did not happen. But we watched the whole show. I have to say the vibe shift was very real. Women were dressed very feminine. I think the last few years we've seen less of that. I've tweeted the boobs are back many times over the last few years, but boobs appear to be truly back. Also, the military were celebrated and mentioned a lot. It was Memorial Day. They had a large military presence in the crowd. Certainly felt different. No political commentary whatsoever. But I should note it was also like a very C list event. Almost none of the people who won awards actually attended. Billie Eilish won, Eminem won. They were not in the crowd. And so it was interesting because it definitely felt vibe shifty. But it also Felt like a very low budget event.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
That is interesting to me that a bunch of people didn't show up. And I wonder if some of that is just like, some of that is just like these old ways of doing things are losing power.
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Carol Markowicz
Right, Right.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
It's just, it's just not as special to be at one of these events as it used to be. It's not as. It's not as powerful. Probably partly, probably partly because the red carpet is like absolutely diluted with huge numbers of influencers that no one really knows. But they have command all these, command all these followers. And so like I can imagine if you're an A lister and you go to like an influencer red carpet, you're like, who are these people really?
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Carol Markowicz
Right.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
I, I'm here with these folks.
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Carol Markowicz
Right.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
So maybe it, maybe it takes down your motivation to be there in person.
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Carol Markowicz
Yes. It, it was hosted by Jennifer Lopez, who has not had a great few years.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
No.
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Carol Markowicz
You know, if, if that's like the, the, the peak of what you can get for the.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
That was an interesting choice.
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Carol Markowicz
She changed outfits like 20 times and they were all very, very cool outf but my 15 year old said like, were they all in a group chat together? Like, you're. I'm not going.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
You're not going.
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Carol Markowicz
What? I'm not going. You're not going.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
We're not, we're not doing it, guys.
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Carol Markowicz
No.
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Mary Kathryn Ham
Interesting. Okay, well, but you know, boobs in.
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Carol Markowicz
The military, what is not to like?
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Mary Kathryn Ham
I, I do love that they had military folks there. That's, that's cool. And it's so nice to see that be mainstream and not just lip service. And to have put some thought into it and to have them in the crowd is very nice.
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Carol Markowicz
I agree completely. That was the only thing worth watching in that terr show. Well, thanks for joining us on Normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get in touch with us@ normallythepodmail.com thanks for listening. And when things get weird, act normally.
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