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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Guys, gals and nothing in between. Fuel your day@chalk.com. bold, reverent and occasionally random. The Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast starts now. I was in San Francisco over the weekend. I was looking at colleges before we went to Colorado.
Buck Sexton
Did you get past all the, I know where you want to go this, but did you, did you see any of the, you know, things on the street that are kind of looking rough or do you just avoid all that entirely?
Clay Travis
We did not actually get out in the midst of the crazy homeless population.
Buck Sexton
Okay, so you didn't wander the Tenderloin at night to see what was going on over there? I got you.
Clay Travis
No, we drove through it primarily on Mission street, which has just been taken over by vagrants and the homeless. But the parts of San Francisco by and large that we were in, we were in Palo Alto. We were. Were actually the Bay Area. Very nice. But what I'm going to give something that to me, I felt like I experienced the future. Some of you may have done this. I believe it's available in Phoenix, Los Angeles and San Francisco right now. It's about to come to Miami. Buck Waymo, which is Google's autonomous vehicle. My son and I. Cause he saw it and he was so excited to try it. My oldest son. Then we downloaded the Waymo app. I'm not getting paid for this, by the way. Google certainly is not spending Money on this show. So just FYI, we got into a vehicle without a driver. And I don't know how many of you have done this, but you get it. Just like you would get an Uber or a Lyft. A Jaguar car pulls up on the curb, no driver. We got in. My son wanted to go out for pizza on, I think it was Monday night in San Francisco. Takes us right to the pizza place, pulls over to the curb, drops us off. We then went and got some ice cream at Jardelli Square. Some of you probably been there before. Get picked up by a Waymo buck. I believe this is going to be a crazy prediction that can be flagged. I think within a decade, at least half of all driving in the United States will be occurring without someone using the steering wheel. I think it will become very common for AI Driven vehicles to take over much of the country. I was blown away by how efficient it was. I had zero fear. In fact, I felt like this driver, meaning the AI was, was better than the average Uber driver we would have had. There was one moment where like a teenage 20 something girl cut across right in front of us to go chase her boyfriend. And I thought to myself, oh my. If that was a human driver, I think it may have hit her. This thing sensed it, paused, slammed on the brakes, and even though she was in the wrong as a human, as most errors with driving or pedestrians are, it avoided her. And I think a lot of humans would have hit her.
Buck Sexton
Yes, I've seen this in L. A. You haven't done it one. I haven't done it yet, but I saw one driving down the street and.
Clay Travis
It'S a little weird.
Buck Sexton
Oh, yeah, I would, I would totally do it. So you and I are a little bit unusual in this regard. I talked, so I have. And I don't know if this is. Maybe it's like a genetic thing among some guys where they. You either are into cars, like you love cars and car culture, or you just view it as a conveyance. Like, you know, if I, if I'm a passenger on a plane, I just care about the plane getting me where I need to go. I'm not like, ooh, are we going to do some barrel rolls? Like that would be a bad idea in a big plane, but. And I feel that you and I are alike in this regard to cars. I have a brother who love, my older brother, loves cars. I mean, he goes, he goes to the racetrack, he tracks cars. He, you know, he does, you know, lessons with former, like retired NASCAR guys and what he loves driving, racing, everything about. And for that. And I think there's a fair amount of people in our audience, Clay, who probably fit into that category. And for them, they're going to, they're going to want their old school gas normal car for as long as they're never going to change. And then a lot of the rest of us are going to be like, just, you know, drive me around with my autonomous vehicle, you know, so we'll see. It's going to break down that way, I think, pretty quickly.
Clay Travis
My brother in law designed cars for ford for over 20 years. My wife is from the Detroit area, so obviously they are a super automotive family. Her, her father in law, who was with us in Colorado, still a great skier, nearly 80 years old. As soon as I did this, I posted the video. By the way, you can scroll down at Clay Travis. We'll put it up at Clay and Buck, if you are interested in what the experience was like. I felt like I was in the future. And Buck, historically I'm not one of those people who like every new tech that comes out. They're like, oh, this is going to change everything. Because I'm not that tech savvy. In fact, my kids have started to insult me. Some of you may have experienced this by calling me an unk, meaning like if you're. I've never even heard this.
Buck Sexton
I learned this term today from Clay. I don't know if any of you have been called this one before, but.
Clay Travis
It'S like kind of connected with old uncle, I think. But basically like you are over the age of 35 and you don't really know how to do anything tech. You're an unk in their world. So I am an unk. But there are, there are two things that I've experienced in my life technologically, Buck, where when I experienced them I was like, oh, this is going to be big. The first was the Internet. I remember like I was like a sophomore in high school. One of my friends had that AOL disc that you put in that allowed you to get on the Internet. I remember the very first time I went on the Internet and I remember thinking, oh, this thing's going to be kind of a big deal. And I was probably, I don't know, 14, 15 years old. Whatever I was at that time. The other one, and this was somewhat more recent, I remember the first time I saw a flat screen HD television. It was at my brother in law's house. And as a sports fan, I remember watching golf. And I remember thinking, this changes Everything. And then people said, well, you're going to have to try virtual reality. Didn't buy it. You're going to have to try 3D. Didn't buy it. But I remember seeing HD and saying, I have to get a flat screen television to have hd. It's the first thing since hd. Buck. This wayo autonomous driving vehicle that I have thought everybody is going to end up doing this. And I'm not saying you have to, but I think in the future. Here's a big prediction, Buck. I think instead of owning individual cars, a lot of us, and I would put myself in this category, are just going to pay a fee to have a sponsorship or, you know, like a subscription, I guess, to a autonomous vehicle company. You will constantly get picked up. You will pay a set fee all year or every month, and you'll replace your insurance for your car, the cost of a car. And also will change fundamentally over the next generation. I think the way we build cities, because so much of our cities are taken up by parking places. And if we didn't have to have individual vehicles, I think that the number is. Buck. The average car has. Needs four spots. You know, you need to go. If you go to Costco, you need to have a spot. If you go to the movie theater, you need to have a spot. And certainly at your home or your apartment or whatever else, I think it's going to fundamentally change the way that cities are organized over the next generation.
Buck Sexton
But what I was getting at by bringing up my. My brother who loves. Who just loves cars. I mean, he's a car guy. He can, you know, he'll see somebody that has a certain model of BMW that's 20, 20 years old that he'll just kind of get excited and start talking about, like how it has the. He still drives stick, by the way. He's one of those. He still drives a stick shift car, which is, I mean, sticks. Oh. Oh, yeah, he's. But that's what I mean. He's an enthusiast. I mean, he's a. Yeah, some of you know exactly what I'm talking about. He. You have someone like this in your family or you're. That guy. He's a true enthusiast. He, you know, he always.
Clay Travis
And.
Buck Sexton
But I think that there'll be. There'll be a resistance to this because people like the autonomy. You know, we talk about autonomous vehicles driving themselves. They like the autonomy of being able to drive themself and have their own car. There's a freedom and independence mindset and really an American mindset that goes with this that I think is going to. I agree with you.
Clay Travis
What percentage of people do you think are that way? Because my brother in law loves to drive a car. If you told me, Buck Clay, you never have to drive a car again, I wouldn't matter. I wouldn't care.
Buck Sexton
And I wonder how many of the audience like this. My, my older brother Mason, if you told him that he could fall asleep in some futuristic Tesla like car, get everywhere in perfect safety, you know, very quickly while getting the car to give him a foot rub.
Clay Travis
Yeah.
Buck Sexton
He would still say, I want to be in my car with my stick shift, you know, changing gears and revving that motor. Like he just. That's just. He's one of. I don't know how widespread this is, but I think it's. I think there are a lot of guys out there that like driving themselves. Truly.
Clay Travis
I think, I would say maybe historically in the future, I think there'll be 20 or 25% of people who still want to drive. I'll tell you this. I would prefer being able to get into a Waymo, sit in the back and work if I've got to drive somewhere for 30 minutes instead of being inefficient. It's also safer instead of looking down at your phone or trying to text And Tesla's. I know a lot of you are driving Teslas already, and certainly Elon and Tesla has been the, the autonomous driving. The AI in Tesla, I am told, is incredible. I don't own one. Have you experienced it? I have buddies who are just like, I just put my hand barely on the wheel and just let it drive.
Buck Sexton
Yes. It's a. I've been in, I've been in the Tesla where the autonomous driving's happened and it, and it's incredible. A lot of it is, you know, they make you keep your hands, I think, on the wheel even, or. Yeah, that's right, keep your hands on the wheel even when it's driving for you, which is unnecessary, but it makes some people feel better. I'll. I'll just tell you this, Clay. The technology stuff, AI people think of it right now as like a glorified chatbot a little bit, I think. But when you start to see. I have a friend who put his blood work into AI and it was astonishingly detailed and accurate in terms of medical diagnosis things to consider all these different things. The, the AI technology that can take now you can say, give me a monologue in the voice of. Which is a little scary for us radio hosts, but you got to get.
Clay Travis
Those contracts done before we get read.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, yeah. I was like, you know, they can never replace the human factor of, of content creators. These, these technologies are truly, by the time everyone realizes how powerful they are, they'll become so mainstream and powerful that anybody will believe, Anybody will be shocked to think that it wasn't clear what they were all becoming. And I think autonomous driving is one of them. But there's the other part. I didn't even get to this yet, and we kind of are running up against the clock here. But I would just say a lot of people drive for a living, and this is a huge problem because a lot of very good people. It's a lot of men, by the way. It's guys, mostly. Guys are the ones who drive for a living. And we, you know, we love our truckers who listen to the show. Look, I don't think they're going to be replacing truckers with autonomous truckers for at least, you know, I don't know, five or ten years before it really becomes a thing that's bigger. But I think in 10 years, it's going to be more of a conversation. And it might be sooner than that. And, you know, we got to think about where these people are going to be gainfully, you know, as a society. So, you know, there's. There's some cost to all this as well.
Clay Travis
That was one of the immediate things I thought was, how is this going to change? Because remember, Uber I think, is really thinking, hey, the play down the road that makes us super profitable is we don't actually need drivers. Like, the idea that you have an Uber driver or a Lyft driver is just kind of a holding pattern. And, you know, just like Uber and Lyft to a large extent replace taxis, I think a lot of Uber Lyft drivers are going to get replaced by these autonomous vehicles. And I don't know where it's going to go, but I tell you, I felt buck. It was like being in the Matrix. You can sit and watch and see what the AI sees on a little screen right in front of you. And it reminded me of, like Keanu Reeves in the Matrix, where you can see everything moving around.
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Leon Naifak
Fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.
Buck Sexton
Did you make a mistake in sending.
Clay Travis
Arms to Tehran, sir? No.
Leon Naifak
It became known as the Iran Contra.
Podcast Host
Affair and I'm not taking any more questions. In just a second I'm going to.
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Ask a I'm Leon Naifak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.
Clay Travis
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane I can't begin to tell you.
Buck Sexton
Please do.
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Clay Travis
Sunday hang with Clay and Buck.
Buck Sexton
Rita. Listen on kfy, KFYI radio with a talkback. Play it.
Clay Travis
I love pickles on my burgers. What's the matter with you?
Buck Sexton
Well, well, Rita. Different strokes for different folks. You know, I think that pickles are one of those things that should be left off burgers. Unless you opt in some places they just put the pickles on the burgers and I don't want some weird vegetable that's throw a little slimy vegetable thrown on top of my delicious burger. Clay.
Clay Travis
Oh, pickles are amazing. I think it's the perfect condiment to kind of just set off the Chick Fil A sandwich. I think you're a communist if you take the pickle off the Chick Fil A sandwich or the hamburger. I Was it Rita who called in? I'm. I'm with her. She's a astute woman who understands great cuisine.
Buck Sexton
VIP email from Graham. I could be Buck's long lost brother. 1 I hate noise and people who make noise. Well done, sir. 2 I understand that pickles on burgers are the devil's work. See, Clay, there's sanity out there.
Clay Travis
It's a poor decision. Poor, poor hill. For you to die on big pickles coming. That's dangerous. That's dangerous. For a big pickle coming for you can mean a lot of different things depending on where you are. We are absolutely overloaded with pickle. Pickle takes pickles and chickens. Pickles and chickens. We've covered saying. We talked about the Nobel Peace Prize. We talked about all sorts of economy things.
Buck Sexton
We talked about, you know, the important things. It's all about pickles and chickens on the talkbacks.
Clay Travis
That is true. And let's listen to Junior up in New York City. He has an idea for Buck I. Clay. This is a junior from Long Island. Buck don't eat pickles on his burgers. He's eating pistachio cobbler garbage. Please take away another one of his man cards for the day. I don't think he deserves one. On your hometown of New York, Jr. Off the top rope on you. Buck pro. He's right.
Buck Sexton
Junior's from Long island, to be clear, which is almost like its own state, but yes, it is nearby to New York. And I would just say this, Junior, it was pistachio creme brulee, not cobbler. Cobblers for peasants. How dare you?
Clay Travis
How dare cobbler. Cobbler is a man. Like, who doesn't.
Buck Sexton
I'm just saying. I'm just saying.
Clay Travis
Hold on. You don't like fruit plus sugar plus delectable baked bread like cobbler's.
Buck Sexton
Okay, I'm kidding.
Clay Travis
I'm kidding.
Buck Sexton
Oh, my God. I think I'm just.
Clay Travis
I. Cobbler universe better light up Buck Sexton right now, because every now and then, I remember this. This was early days of Twitter, before I really understood how it worked. This is like 2008 or whatever. I had a Twitter account and I was like, man, you know, I really love cobbler. Like, I like all types of cobbler. And when I tweet, I. I think I was, like, eating and I put a picture up or something, and people came after me like I was the Antichrist. I was like, who is anti cobbler, by the way? BlackBerry cobbler, the best cobbler on the planet. Rarely offered, but when it is the best of all cobblers. And that was kind of my welcome to social media moment, where it doesn't matter what opinion you have, there's somebody out there that is outraged that you could have that opinion, that will immediately react.
Buck Sexton
But is cobbler not just a Poor man's pie. Am I missing something? Isn't that. Isn't that just isn't cobbler? Poor man's pie. What's the difference?
Clay Travis
Well, now you've kind of blown my mind because I never have thought about what the difference is between a cobbler and a pie. I mean, I kind of think of apple pie and apple cobbler is basically the same thing except a pie is circular and a cobbler tends to be rectangular in my experience. So now my mind. Actually you've thrown me for a loop here because I've never really thought. I think the cobbler has a thicker bread base than the typical pie, which is why it's better. That would be my on the fly distinction. I don't cook, as everyone knows. I've never baked anything in my life. If it can't be put in the microwave, I don't know how to make it. So I clearly not the, the, the. The sterling knowledgeable person here. Cobbler doesn't have a crust. Yeah, but I don't even think. I mean that seems like it. Not the right description.
Buck Sexton
I think a cobblestone pie for peasants. Am I, am I really off on this one? I'm just throwing it out there, you.
Clay Travis
Know, the crust, I mean is, I think oftentimes very over rated. On the pie might have just come after people in an aggressive way here.
Buck Sexton
Big pie is coming after clay with that one. That is how dare. The crust is really where the expertise comes in.
Clay Travis
One confession. I was afraid that I might be photographed in the midst of this. In Steamboat Springs, I took the kids into an ice cream shop. Buck, there are a bunch of dads there from Dallas that listen to the show. So shout out dads from Dallas if they hear this. In Steamboat Springs, my kids didn't want to get ice cream. I then violated my rule on some level. I was a man eating an ice cream cone. Nobody else was eating ice cream. Now I think is an exception.
Buck Sexton
You weren't alone though. Your whole thing was you're not a man alone getting out. You're your kids.
Clay Travis
And my kids got like candy, right? They got like Reese's Pieces, Reese's peanut butter Cups. Like that was their choice. If there were a photo. I don't want AI suggesting that I was eating ice cream by myself. I just don't want that out there.
Buck Sexton
What would be, what would be worse for you to get caught in a photo eating, like standing alone in the line at the Dairy Queen with like a mix like chocolate vanilla swirl or, or walking through the airport With a mask on.
Clay Travis
Oh, mask, by far, right? I mean, people would think that I was pranking them. I think if I had a mask on. What if I wore the mask on Air Force One in the media section? Like, actually, I think Trump might kick.
Buck Sexton
I think he might kick you off the plane. I think he might be like, off the plane, Masked man off the plane.
Clay Travis
What if I just sat down with the media with a mask on and said, I really wish you guys would take the virus more seriously. They're going to hate me in the media anyway. Me wearing a mask and demanding that they wear masks on the airplane would be. Have a mask on.
Buck Sexton
I kind of want you to do this and videotape it. Like, go up to the AP reporters like, oh, I'm sorry, we don't wear masks anymore here.
Clay Travis
I need to do this. Sundays with Clay and Buck.
Buck Sexton
Clay, we have a call that we. Speaking of offending people. We need to take this call. Canon, Michigan. Canon, Michigan is a retired baker who wants to weigh in on cobbler gate.
Podcast Host
Yeah, someone that was working in bakeries for my career. Someone that did go to culinary school. It was just the general opinion that cobblers were made by people who couldn't bake. They lacked the skill to make a really good pie crust, and so they ended up making the cobblers. And that was. That was just the general opinion of the students and the teachers that I hung out with.
Buck Sexton
And, Ken, you are clearly an artisan and a great American and a great baker. Thank you, sir.
Clay Travis
Clay, who is fielding calls here? Ken is a blasphemer. I don't remember the last time we had a worse call in the history of the show than Ken. Off the top rope on cobbler makers. Can't actually cook. That's a no.
Buck Sexton
Can't make pie. He said they can't make pie crust. Come on. I'm just.
Clay Travis
The cobbler is superior to the pie. I'm not anti your apple pies. Nobody loves apple pies and American flags more than me, but cobbler is far better. Apple cobbler better than apple pie. I'll go to my grave on this. It appears that I'm going to have to divorce Laura Travis because when I just went downstairs, she said, and I quote, I think Buck's right as well as that caller. Cobbler is probably just a poor man's pie. And you think, you know, someone been married years, amazing. And I go downstairs just to try to get my NCAA tournament bracket. I'm just sitting there filling it out, minding my own business. Laura Travis walks in to the kitchen and says that cobbler is a poor man's pie. So, again, it's going to be sad. Divorce, I'm told, is awful. Sometimes you have to stand up for things, like pie.
Buck Sexton
Clay, I just got to tell you, the foundation of a great relationship is speaking the truth when your partner needs to hear it, even if it stings a little sometimes. So Laura is just doing you a favor on this cobbler issue, and I'm glad that everyone else out there knows the truth, which is that cobbler is just poor man's piece. That's okay. That's. That doesn't mean it doesn't taste good. I'm not saying it doesn't taste good. It's just. We got to have. This is not nom. There are rules. You know, we've got to have a ranking of things.
Clay Travis
I am going to continue to fight for cobbler to the end of my existence. And all of the calumnies, all of the outrageous assaults in Shakespearean terms, the slings and arrows of derision will not stand. And I am going to continue to fight the good fight. Um, and I'm filling out my NCAA tournament bracket, by the way, as we are simultaneously continuing it.
Buck Sexton
Have you scoped out my bracket at all? Like, are you feeling.
Clay Travis
I didn't want to be fair. I didn't want to be influenced and see. Oh, but choices Buck made. I can score by going opposite directions. I am 100% only making choices based on looking at this.
Buck Sexton
I just wanted to know and get you on the record now if you were wildly overconfident based upon my bracket, I wanted us to get that out right now so that if by some miracle I actually win this thing, we will get. Ha. We will get to make even more fun of you at the end of this process.
Clay Travis
The great thing about the bracket as, again, the NCAA tournament tips off tomorrow, and I'm going to apologize for myself in advance because I will probably screw up a ton of things because I will be doing this show and simultaneously watching college basketball on both Thursday and Friday. Friday. So I'm.
Buck Sexton
I will not. So I will keep. I will keep us on the. On the tracks. Don't worry.
Clay Travis
So if I'm totally blowing it even more so than normal tomorrow, it's going to be because I'm trying to keep my eyes on this. The great thing about the NCAA Tournament is, and many of you out there who are part of bracket challenges will be able to attest to this, is very often the people who win these bracket challenges are not in any way actually paying attention to college basketball at all on a regular basis. Which is what makes it in some ways even more fun because there isn't necessarily a high correlation between college basketball experts who are going to post. I mean, legitimately, all they do is cover college basketball for ESPN or Fox or CBS or NBC or whoever it is sports companies out there, you can beat them without having spent hardly any time at all on it. So I do think that that is really pretty incredible. And one of the fun things about the bracket challenge in general is clay.
Buck Sexton
Hedging a little bit here. Is this a little hedging I notice on the bracket? Have you picked the team, the team that you think is going to.
Clay Travis
Your. Your. Your wife, who I hope has the good enough sense to like cobbler more than pie because she was raised in the South. Have you asked Kerry? We may have a real split opinion here.
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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Episode: Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck
Release Date: April 27, 2025
Clay Travis shares his recent experience with Waymo, Google's autonomous vehicle service, highlighting the advancements and potential impact of self-driving cars.
Experience with Waymo:
Predictions on Autonomous Driving:
Buck Sexton weighs in on the technology:
The hosts delve into the broader implications of AI beyond autonomous vehicles, touching on its integration into various aspects of daily life.
AI in Healthcare and Content Creation:
Safety and Ethical Considerations:
A humorous and lively debate ensues over the merits of pickles on burgers and the superiority of cobbler versus pie, showcasing the hosts' playful dynamic.
Pickles on Burgers:
Cobbler vs. Pie:
Humorous Exchanges:
The conversation shifts to the excitement and unpredictability of the NCAA basketball tournament, with the hosts sharing their strategies and experiences.
Bracket Strategy:
Personal Anecdotes:
Throughout the episode, Clay and Buck interact with their audience through call-ins, addressing listeners' opinions and fostering a sense of community.
Listener Interactions:
Humorous Remarks:
Clay and Buck provide a blend of insightful analysis and entertaining banter, offering listeners a deep dive into the future of technology and relatable everyday debates. Their discussion on autonomous vehicles underscores significant societal shifts, while their lighthearted exchanges about food preferences highlight their engaging and personable hosting style. The episode effectively balances serious topics with humor, making complex subjects accessible and enjoyable for all listeners.