Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck - Feb 22 2026

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Sunday Hang

Episode Date: February 22, 2026
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode Theme: Fun, heated debates on pop culture, particularly Taylor Swift's place in music history, and a few dives into current events and listener engagement.

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Overview of Main Theme

This episode, "Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck," mainly focuses on a lighthearted but surprisingly passionate debate: Is Taylor Swift the modern-day Beatles? The hosts compare Swift’s musical significance and longevity to legendary acts, read and react to an avalanche of listener feedback, and riff about nostalgia bands, pop culture, and even sprinkle in some serious news. The tone is smart, irreverent, teasing, and occasionally self-deprecating.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Buck's Book Plug and Audiobook Release

• [03:20] - [05:15]
  • Buck shares his excitement about his forthcoming book, "Manufacturing Delusion," recounting his first CIA mission and insights on leftist mind-control tactics.
  • Quote: “...how the forces of the left and totalitarianism brainwash you and truly use the tactics of mind control that you would teach to a, to a intelligence officer...they’re using some of these tactics and that’s what the book is all about.” (Buck Sexton, 04:12)

2. Breaking News: Nancy Guthrie Case

• [05:42] - [06:58]
  • Clay provides an update on the high-profile disappearance of Nancy Guthrie in Tucson, Arizona. Urges listeners to contact the FBI with tips as the investigation is ongoing and has yielded no substantial information yet.
  • Quote: “She was taken against her will. There is no surveillance video. They basically have no idea where she is.” (Clay Travis, 05:57)

3. The Taylor Swift vs. Beatles Debate

• [05:17] - [16:03], [23:18] - [35:19]
  • Clay’s Hot Take: Taylor Swift is the Beatles of our time; her music will be even more popular 20–30 years from now.
    • Quote: "Taylor Swift is the Beatles of our time...20 or 30 years from now, Taylor Swift will be more popular than she is now." (Clay Travis, 07:55)
  • Buck vehemently disagrees, drawing parallels to previous supposed pop legends like Backstreet Boys, questions Swift’s lasting influence, and claims her cultural impact is nowhere near the Beatles.
    • Quote: "To speak about these [songs] in the same breath as the Beatles...just insane. You’re living on a planet…” (Buck Sexton, 14:17)
  • Clay shares his “Power Five” favorite Taylor Swift songs and gives honorable mentions.
    • Songs: "Bad Blood," "Love Story," "You Belong With Me," "I Knew You Were Trouble," "Wildest Dreams"
    • Honorable Mentions: "Shake It Off," "Mean"
  • Buck continues to challenge Clay, mocking the comparison and the Swift mania.
    • Quote: "Clay shaves his beard off, he goes mustache and all of a sudden he's like Taylor Swift number one fan. Something's happened here." (Buck Sexton, 14:32)

4. Listener Feedback Tsunami

• [16:51] - [35:19], [23:18] - [34:33]
  • The show becomes a live forum: listeners submit emails, voicemails, and social posts both supporting and roasting Clay’s assertion about Swift.
  • Memorable Call-ins and Emails:
    • “No one will remember a Taylor Swift song in 10 years. You are clearly insane.” (Bruce, email, 17:19)
    • “Clay just came out of the closet because Taylor Swift is a 10-thumbed, tone-deaf, talentless noise polluter. Always has been, always will be.” (Josh in Ohio, 25:54)
    • “Taylor’s not the Beatles of our time. She’s the Elvis of our time, a solo performer backed by a band.” (Tim in Tucson, 25:02)
    • “Clay is correct! My wife dragged me to Backstreet Boys at their Vegas residency, lots of people there—nostalgia is real.” (Jeff in Utah, 27:25)
  • Clay and Buck alternate between reading live feedback and riffing on how much more reactionary the audience is about Swift than on political or crime stories.

5. The Nostalgia Band Phenomenon

• [13:40] - [18:58], [27:25] - [29:58]
  • Arguments about the popularity of nostalgia bands (e.g., Backstreet Boys, Goo Goo Dolls, Rolling Stones) versus contemporary artists.
  • Debate on whether modern acts will have staying power, and discussion about today's superstars compared to those of decades past.
    • Quote: “The nostalgia bands are so big because there aren’t enough good contemporary music acts that people want to go see.” (Buck Sexton, 28:31)

6. Taylor Swift's Audience, Gender Dynamics, and Dating

• [33:35] - [35:19]
  • Brief aside about Taylor Swift concerts being prime territory for single men (“90% young women”), but Buck jokes the girl-power vibe might not be great if you’re looking for romance.
    • Quote: “All those young ladies are listening to songs about how bad the ex boyfriends were. And there’s like a weird girl power vibe to all this Taylor Swift stuff.” (Buck Sexton, 34:33)
  • Clay counters that Swift’s music is about “finding the right guy,” giving a tongue-in-cheek analysis of Swift’s professional career journey.

7. Other Musical Comparisons and Trends

• [29:58] - [31:23]
  • Buck compares Swift to Madonna, noting Madonna’s huge but ultimately time-bound cultural moment and suggests Swift may follow a similar trajectory.
  • Discussion shifts to Michael Jackson’s legacy—radio play has dropped, but streaming is surging.
    • Quote: "...streaming way up in the last few years. I'm wrong on that. On Michael Jackson songs. You don't find that surprise went from 4.7 billion in 2021 to 6.5 billion in 2023." (Buck Sexton, 32:07)

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Most Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Swift is the Beatles?
  "Taylor Swift is the Beatles of our time. Buck is totally wrong that 20 or 30 years from now, no one will care." (Clay Travis, 07:55)

• Swift’s Lasting Power Mocked:
  "To say that the Backstreet Boys selling out a venue in Vegas...on the scale of the Beatles...this is a, this is a global cultural musical phenomenon that is timeless and has lasted for decades." (Buck Sexton, 10:50)

• Listener Drag:
  "Clay just compared Taylor Swift with the Beatles. He has no clue about music at all. No clue." (Dave from Pennsylvania, 23:37)

• Nostalgia Audience:
  "There are a lot of people tweeting that either they or their wives have been going to these [boyband concerts] and paying a lot of money for them." (Clay Travis, 17:34)

• Tongue-in-Cheek Analysis:
  "The entire purpose of Taylor Swift's professional career is to find the right guy. And it's just a tumultuous sorted walk to try to find the right guy." (Clay Travis, 34:49)

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Key Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------------| | 03:20 | Buck plugs book and shares CIA stories | | 05:54 | Clay updates on Nancy Guthrie disappearance | | 05:17 | Start of Taylor Swift / Beatles grand comparison | | 07:55 | Clay: "Taylor Swift is the Beatles of our time" | | 13:10 | Clay’s Top 5 Taylor Swift songs revealed | | 16:03 | Buck predicts audience’s backlash to Swift comments | | 17:07 | Reading listener emails/calls roasting Clay about Swift | | 23:18 | Continued listener backlash, notable call-ins | | 25:02 | Listener: "She's the Elvis of our time" | | 27:25 | Listener: "My wife dragged me to Backstreet Boys" | | 28:31 | Buck: Rise of nostalgia acts and lack of pop stars | | 29:58 | Buck: "Swfit is more like Madonna, really" | | 32:07 | Michael Jackson: radio down, streaming up | | 34:33 | Taylor Swift concerts as the place for single men |

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Tone & Speaker Style

• Clay Travis: Bombastic, contrarian, argumentatively playful. Unabashed in controversial takes and relishes caller feedback (positive or antagonistic).
• Buck Sexton: Sarcastic, quick-witted, skeptical of hyperbole, and often mocks Clay’s strongest positions for comedic effect.

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Conclusion

This episode was an energetic, entertaining Sunday hangout that drew its greatest heat from a pop culture, rather than a political, debate: Is Taylor Swift the Beatles of our era? Buck and Clay spar with spirited ribbing and audience participation, reading live criticism, jokes, and a few odd moments of support. The hosts explore nostalgia's grip on pop music, today’s star-making machinery, and how time judges all musical artists. The serious news of Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance is quickly presented and respectfully handled. For fans of lively banter and listener-driven radio, this episode is all about the Swift-shaped wedge driven into America’s generational music sensibilities—served up with classic Clay and Buck bite.

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

The Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck Podcast starts now. Something that I need to tell you guys about that I didn't tell you about before. It's very exciting. At Clay suggestion I also have a mustache. Just kidding. At Clay suggestion I just want to see if you'd go to our YouTube channel. I recorded the audiobook of Manufacturing Delusion myself and it will also it is also available for pre order right now. The book comes out in two weeks, my friends. February 17th. Two weeks. Manufacturing delusion. I need you guys to not wait though. It's a little bit like opening weekend at the movies. It's all about that first week and it's all about the pre orders leading into the first week. The book is awesome. Okay, there's really cool stuff. I talk in the beginning about my first. My first CIA mission, which was to Nigeria of all places, which you have not heard me talk about much here before on the show or at all really. I've never talked about on the air before. Some crazy stuff going on over there back in the day. And then I talk about Iraq, I talk about Afghanistan, I talk about NYPD intelligence division. But more importantly I talk about how the forces of the left and totalitarianism brainwash you and truly use the tactics of mind control that you would teach to a to a intelligence officer that you would use for a cult that you would use for Stalinist indoctrination camp. They're using some of these tactics and that's what the book is all about. So please go get a copy. Great for you. Great for your kids. And if you want the audiobook, audiobook narrated by yours truly. So if you like this voice of mine, you will be able to have it all read to you. Which I think is very, very exciting stuff. Now, Clay, thank you for letting me do the shameless plug. Mr. Clay, your. Oh, I was gonna say this isn't a mustache question. The best Taylor Swift song. I'm just going to. Clay, tell them. Tell everyone what you said to me in the break about Taylor Swift.

[Clay Travis]

I think she's the modern day version of the Beatles. And when we come back, this is going to be quite the tease. I will give you my favorite Taylor Swift songs. I'll make it even stronger argument about the Beatles.

[Buck Sexton]

Sunday, hang with Clay and Buck Clay, who now has two things going for him. One, a brand new mustache and two, thinks Taylor Swift is the new Beatles. Do you wish to tell us the greatest dealer Swift song of all time?

[Clay Travis]

Hold on, let me tell you that. But first, serious news. We tease that we can't go to.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm talking your mustache and killer Swift. I pivoted from the serious. You can't pivot. My pivot. Okay, go ahead, give us your serious news.

[Clay Travis]

So we don't know what happened to Nancy Guthrie. I told you that they were going to have a press conference. This is the number one story on every newscast. Nancy Guthrie, mother of Savannah Guthrie. We have a huge audience in Arizona. She was taken against her will. There is no surveillance video. They basically have no idea where she is. The FBI is asking if you have tips on this. 1-800- call FBI. The FBI is now involved. This is in Tucson, Arizona. And basically no one has any idea what happened to Nancy, Nancy Guthrie. They believe she was taken against her will. And that's it. I mean it's, it's, it's a huge mystery. So there's a lot of interest here. 1-800-AT- CALL FBI. So I wanted to make sure. I mean, I thought maybe we would get info because they had a press conference scheduled. But the press conference was to let us know that basically they knew nothing.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm leaving it to you to how you transition back to Taylor Swift now. Cause that's a very sad, serious story. So I. This is all on you, buddy.

[Clay Travis]

Now I have to pivot back from serious story to the story that. By the way, producer Ali, come up here for a sec. We just talked about Jeffrey Epstein. We gave a huge take on Jeffrey Epstein. Everything related to Epstein. You are telling me that my take on Taylor Swift has been considered more controversial, more controversial by this audience than everything we said about Jeffrey Epps. If you wondered whether the Jeffrey Epstein story is over, you guys are angrier about my Taylor Swift take. Is that correct, Producer Ali.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. There is a waterfall of emails on your Taylor Swift and overall music take

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[Buck Sexton]

All right, the people have spoken and the people are correct.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, I'm about to turn that deluge. What's more than a deluge? What would be bigger than a deluge? The cavalcade of emails.

[Buck Sexton]

Tsunami. I think tsunami is more than a deluge.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's right. I'm about to turn the deluge into a tsunami. Taylor Swift is the Beatles of our time. Buck is totally wrong that 20 or 30 years from now, no one will care. Taylor Swift, buck, get ready. 20 or 30 years from now. Flag this. I hope I'm alive to take my victory lap. 20 or 30 years from now, Taylor Swift will be more popular than she is now. Her music, much like the Beatles music, is going to endure. And she will be touring much like the Rolling Stones. As long as she's like Mick Jagger and can still walk out there and kick her legs, she's going to be touring until she's 85 or 90. If she lives that long singing all

[Buck Sexton]

these songs, this is a take that's going to go down in history. Like whoever said that the Internet is going to be as important as the fax machine? I mean, this is a, this is an all timer for you, Clay. All right, Taylor Swift. You know who, you know who people would have said this about, like the, the icon of teenage girls when we were growing up? Oh my gosh, in 30 years, everyone's going to be listening to the Backstreet Boys. Oh, the Backstreet Boys were huge. The Backstreet Boys in sync. All those boy bands, you could even, you could even put them all together and, and you would have thought, oh my gosh, they're such a global phenomenon. No one can, no one listens to. In fact, now you're wrong about this.

[Clay Travis]

They sell out tours like crazy. Now there are 50 year old women right now who are throwing their radios, if they're physical, across the room that spent $1,000 with their girlfriends to get good seats to the back.

[Buck Sexton]

We do not have a single. We do not have a single person. We have millions of people.

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[Buck Sexton]

We have like the city the size of Chicago of listeners right now listening to us. Not a single one of them paid $1,000 in the last year for a Backstreet Boys ticket. You're talking crazy talk.

[Clay Travis]

I'm saying with her girlfriends, they might have spent $250 each for four of them. If you went to the Backstreet Boys at Buck Sexton, right now. Get your phones out on Twitter at Clay Travis 2. I want you to let me know. I bet there's. I bet.

[Buck Sexton]

I need you guys to tell Clay to put the whispering angel down and get with reality here for a second, okay? I don't know if he's hitting the rose early today. This is crazy.

[Clay Travis]

Or your wife. Right? Because we got a. I think it's 70% male. If your wife did or you did. Backstreet Boy tickets at Buck Sexton at Clay Travis. All right.

[Buck Sexton]

Producer Mark loves to tell me that I'm wrong, which is why we've been such good friends now for over a decade.

[Clay Travis]

He.

[Buck Sexton]

He says the Backstreet Boys have a residency at the Sphere in Vegas that is selling out every night.

[Clay Travis]

And it's just crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

That's Vegas. That's not.

[Clay Travis]

That's not, like, crazy expensive. They just had a tour. They were selling out arenas everywhere, all these.

[Buck Sexton]

But Clay, when you're talking about something on the scale of the Beatles, Okay. Which is what you are. This is a. This is a global cultural musical phenomenon that is timeless and has lasted for decades. To say that the Backstreet Boys selling out a venue in Vegas. Although it does sound kind of cool, actually. I might have to go check. I kind of want to see the Sphere, so maybe I'll go to the backstory.

[Clay Travis]

By the way, is Carrie there? Carrie's going to spend $1,000 on these tickets, which she. When she finds out about it. All right.

[Buck Sexton]

Did I ever tell you this?

[Clay Travis]

That I.

[Buck Sexton]

That I hooked a buddy of mine up? You know, I'm gonna digress. Cause we're talking music. I was at a birthday party. I was at a birthday party for. I'm. It was my brother. And we went to Atlantic City, which is the New York City kid version of Vegas, baby. Vegas. Last minute, we go to Atlantic City. And Clay, we are at the Borgata, which I think is the nicest property in Atlantic City. We probably have the manager. I'm probably the manager of the Borgata probably listens to this show. Like, we got a lot of. A lot of people that run businesses that listen to the show. I think it's the nicest in Atlantic City. We're at the Borgata, and we're at their club. I don't remember the name of the club, but their nightclub there. And I'm telling you, it is. There are tumbleweeds blowing through. It is a sad, sad night at the borgata at like 10 o' clock at night for this birthday night. And out of nowhere. When I tell you there was an influx of 25 year old to 35 year old girls, women and. And nothing but I've never seen anything like this in my life. I was just like, this is. We're there. We're a table of guys. We had no women with us. We're hoping to meet some ladies. By the way, one of my friends met his wife this night. We're at a table. Yeah. And I introduced them. We're a table by influx.

[Clay Travis]

We are the.

[Buck Sexton]

I was. There were some guys there, but we were the only straight guys in this nightclub. Pretty much. There are a lot of guys, but they were not straight. From my understanding, Madonna had just finished a Show at like 11 o' clock at night. A Madonna show got out and flooded. Flooded the place with chicks. It was. It was incredible. It was honestly like manna from heaven. I've never cause no dudes because what dude is going to a Madonna show?

[Clay Travis]

Totally not straight dudes. 800-282-2882. By the way, Clay's about to pivot

[Buck Sexton]

back to like whether we're the federal

[Clay Travis]

government is back open to the extent anybody cared. All right, here's my songs. Bad blood, love story, you belong with me, I knew you were trouble and wildest dreams is my power five in no particular order for Taylor Swift.

[Buck Sexton]

Other. Can you repeat this? Can you repeat this so I know

[Clay Travis]

my top five, my top five of the modern day beetle Taylor Swift. And I'll say this, Buck, I think Taylor Swift has a more substantial catalog of good songs in the decades ahead than the Beatles do.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, just give me your top five again. Just because I want to make sure that I don't actually know any of these songs because no one cares. Go ahead.

[Clay Travis]

Bad blood, love story, you belong with me. I knew you were trouble and wildest dreams my power five to I.

[Buck Sexton]

The only one of those songs that I know that you've just mentioned is the number five song. The rest of those songs, I don't even know what they are. You.

[Clay Travis]

I knew you were trouble. You belong with me. Love story or bad blood. Now we got bad blood. You've never heard that song.

[Buck Sexton]

I might hear them if they came on. But Clay, to speak about these in the same breath as the Beatles, I would even say to speak about this in the same breath as like Aerosmith, it's just insane. Just insane. You're living on a planet.

[Clay Travis]

Two honorable mentions. Shake it off.

[Buck Sexton]

I gotta say. Clay shaves his beard off. He goes mustache and all of a sudden he's like Taylor Swift number one fan. Something's happened here. I don't know what's going on.

[Clay Travis]

Mean, which my wife likes because she says I am the mean person in the song. Mean. Why you gotta be so mean? So that is my top five. And then two honorable mentions and I'm right. And 30 years from now, if you're still alive, everyone out there listening, you're going to have to recognize, you know what? Clay Travis nailed this. Taylor Swift is the modern day Beatles and she's going to continue to sell out places forever.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't know if this is your most wrong take ever, because that's going to require some digging, but this is definitely like, I would, I would say that this is getting, you're getting close to your, your craziest Clay Travis take on the show.

[Clay Travis]

A lot of people are going to react to her politics and I am not endorsing that. I think Taylor Swift is a moron when it comes to her political knowledge. But I'm sure the Beatles, by the way, often had political takes that many people.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, Lenin was a, I mean, Lennon was a comic. He might as well have been Lennon. He was a communist.

[Clay Travis]

Doesn't mean they're not still talented guys. But yeah, I think Taylor Swift, 21st century, the most in the 21st century since 2000, the biggest star.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm excited that on this, in this hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show, we can all just sit back, relax and enjoy Clay getting dragged over the metaphorical broken glass of this audience for, for the next 45 minutes. They are, they are going to come. They're coming after.

[Clay Travis]

What I think is really funny is we've talked about the save act, we've talked about Epstein, all these stories. Epstein is the most controversial story in years. Everybody's like, yeah, Clay and Buck, you guys nailed that. My take on Taylor Swift is the one that people are upset about.

[Buck Sexton]

The stuff that people write about you online, that is the meanest, which I do see sometimes. And I'm always like, I'll fight them. It makes me sad. But the meanest are always the people who are mad at you over sports, which I find so funny.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, they are. That's why the politics thing doesn't, it doesn't impact me. Because if you pick a winner of Alabama, Auburn, and it's the other side or Ohio State, Michigan, like politics is small stakes compared to the anger of sports fans.

[Buck Sexton]

They get, they get very angry at you. I was like, wow, the sports ball very passionate. The sports ball fans Lot of emails.

[Clay Travis]

I'm in tech. Oh, I don't want to read that one. Where are the rest of all the emails that came in? There's so many different text threads now for the show. Here we go. Aaron from. From Milwaukee C. Let's listen to him.

[Buck Sexton]

A clan Buck. This is Aaron, a heterosexual male in Minnesota. Taylor Swift's best song is Blank Space. And in second place would be you Belong With Me.

[Clay Travis]

All right, there's a positive Buck VIP email. Bruce, no one will remember a Taylor Swift song in 10 years. You are clearly insane. You must have shaved off your brain cells when you shaved your beard. Steve says, no way in any universe is Taylor Swift in the same league as the Beatles. She's a pop sensation, but she is not. Not all these. I can't even keep up. I will say, then I will say the number of you that have gone to see and are going to see the boy bands, the Backstreet Boys in particular. Buck, you sign off on this. There are a lot of people tweeting that either they or their wives have been going to these and paying a lot of money for them.

[Buck Sexton]

Look, that's a pure nostalgia play. And I will tell you the. You know, I would go see. I almost got tickets for Carrie and me to go see the Goo Goo Dolls, because I actually think they're the most underrated band of the 90s. I think Goo Goo Dolls are fantastic. Like, they're good songs, are just great. Great tunes out of Buffalo, New York, by the way. You know, they. That's where they.

[Clay Travis]

Right. Oh, that's Bush.

[Buck Sexton]

Wow. You just look at this. It's like me talking SEC football, baby. Gavin Rossdale, you just. Oh, Clay, the 90s called. They want their. Their dignity back.

[Clay Travis]

Well, Gavin Rossdale was with Gwyneth, the Gwen Stefani, Right? That's kind of a power 90s, not Gwyneth Paltrow.

[Buck Sexton]

That's a different way. That's right. That's right, Stefani. Yes. Yes. You're getting lit up on these comments that I'm enjoying every second of it. I would just say I'm bright.

[Clay Travis]

Sometimes you get lit up and you're right. You just have to take the. You just have to take the.

[Buck Sexton]

The. You know, the great thing about Clay is he'll. He'll make these. He'll take these stances, you know, so when he refers to Britney. When he refers to Mozart as the Britney Spears of his time, you know, he doesn't care what you say. He's gonna stand behind that.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Sundays with Clay and Buck David. This is number D. David from Pennsylvania. Hit it, please. Dave from Pennsylvania. I just cannot believe Clay just compared Taylor Swift with the Beatles.

[Clay Travis]

He has no clue about music at all. No clue.

[Buck Sexton]

My God, Clay, I'm afraid to get

[Clay Travis]

on the bad side of that guy. He sounds like he's at a good fellas diner.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm gonna make. I'm gonna make that my. I'm gonna make that guy my ringtone. Clay has no idea about music. Totally agree.

[Clay Travis]

Andrew in New Jersey, Triple R radio. What you got for us, E?

[Buck Sexton]

Clay and Buck. It's Andrew. Listen, this thing about Billy, Eilish, whatever her name is. Eilish? Yeah. She says she's on stolen land.

[Clay Travis]

So that means she's in possession of stolen property.

[Buck Sexton]

So that means she could go to jail.

[Clay Travis]

Correct.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm just taking a wild guess. Anyway, great show, guys. Take care.

[Clay Travis]

These emails are great, by the way.

[Buck Sexton]

Also, we're not on stolen land. All right? We're on Concord land. To the victor goes to spoils. Too bad.

[Clay Travis]

Sorry, Jay. Says Clay, either you had one too many espresso Martinis. I'm going to have a couple of espresso martinis potentially tonight with my buddy Alexi Lawless in Los Angeles. We got dinner or you have completely lost your freaking mind. Taylor cannot even come close to holding a candle to the Beatles. I said she's the 21st century version of the Beatles and will have their same longevity. And I've tweeted it if you want to get in a fight online getting the mentions, it's going to be a. It's going to be a mess. Jim and oh, I'm Tim. And Tucson says Taylor's more like this

[Buck Sexton]

guy F. Hey guys, this is Tim and Tucson. I am a straight 47 year old guy and I'll admit I love Taylor Swift's music. But Clay is a little bit mistaken. She's not the Beatles of our time. She is the Elvis of our time because she is a solo performer backed up by a band, whereas the Beatles were four guys who were the band together. So there's a difference.

[Clay Travis]

That's an interesting take, but what do you think about that? She's the modern day Elvis. That's not going to make you any happier. The people out there mad about the Beatles comparison aren't going to be like, yeah, you know what? She's more like Elvis.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not an Elvis guy, so I'm going to stay out of this one. Not an Elvis guy.

[Clay Travis]

Wow. Not an Elvis guy.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I know.

[Clay Travis]

Josh.

[Buck Sexton]

I call, I call balls and strikes here. I will not bend the knee to public opinion on the music stuff. I'm sorry.

[Clay Travis]

Josh in Ohio.

[Buck Sexton]

G. Hey, Clay and Buck. I just wanted to say Clay is wrong. And Buck, I think Clay just came out of the closet because Taylor swift is a 10 thumbed, tone deaf, talentless noise polluter. Always has been and always will be.

[Clay Travis]

Why would I come out of the closet to be praising a heterosexual woman? It seems like if I were in the closet I'd be like, you know, I don't know. Who was Enrique Iglesias, man, have you seen his hips lately? I don't know who's a good looking guy that does music. He married Anna Kournikova, I think. Right?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. I mean he's. Yes, that's right. He married Anacortikova. I think they're actually expecting a child soon. So. Fourth.

[Clay Travis]

Fourth child. I think that kid has got some good genes. Kurt in Iowa. Buck H.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay. I didn't know we spelled gay. C L a y. Listening to a 30. Something about singing breakup songs. And if she's gonna stay With Kelsey, if that's gonna be the end, there's no more songs. There's no song factory there. Give me a break.

[Clay Travis]

I need. We need to keep the opening of. We now spell Clay. Cl. Gay Clay. We. Keep that one. Roll it over.

[Buck Sexton]

Is this the part of. Of Animal House where you've been paddled enough that you will no longer say, thank you, sir? May I have another? Like, are you done? Are you. Have you taken enough abuse on this one? Or do we want to keep the talkbacks? Clay, are. Are. Are coming in left and right.

[Clay Travis]

Man, I feel like these are epic. Jeff in Utah, I. He's got good taste.

[Buck Sexton]

Hey, guys. I just want to say that Clay Travis is correct. I am Buck's age, and my wife is seven years younger than me. She dragged me to see the Backstreet Boys during their residency in Las Vegas, and we also had to go to Comic Con just to meet two of the Backstreet Boys. There were tons of people on the line. Girls in their 20s were still coming.

[Clay Travis]

Then we cut him off. Oh, big, big Backstreet took him out. A lot of people are saying that their wives or girlfriends have spent an embarrassing amount of money to go see the Backstreet Boys, and some of those tickets are going in the Sphere for a thousand dollars. Buck, what would you say again? I think, like, a grand.

[Buck Sexton]

The Sphere is. Is a particularly unique venue. I've never been, but I've obviously seen it. Everyone who goes to Vegas, you. You see it if you're in that city. So I think they're benefiting from that at some level. But these nostalgia band. But here's my. Here's my thesis for you, though, Clay. The nostalgia bands are so big because there aren't enough good contemporary music acts that people want to go see. That's why you're having all these.

[Clay Travis]

I think there's some truth to that.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, you see the Rolling Stones, I said, like, they're. These guys are practically in their 80s now. I mean, the Rolling Stones come out on stage. You know, you're wondering if they need to keep catheters nearby and one of those, like, electrodes for your chest and everything else. I mean, these guys are old. They might as well be walking out there with 1911s on their hips.

[Clay Travis]

Buck going after the gun guys.

[Buck Sexton]

I just. I just love. Because some of them get so mad at me. I'm like, that's right. That's right. They're like you with your little tiny hands and your Glock. Yeah, I got small hands. What can you do that?

[Clay Travis]

No, I mean, I do think there is an argument that. Couple of things. One, the superstar impact is such that if you're Morgan Wallen or you're Taylor Swift, the impact of being able to sell out stadiums and be a modern musician, you're more famous maybe than in the past. Because I don't think selling out stadiums used to happen. But on the flip side, I think there is a dearth of really popular modern day musicians. I think since I'm not enough of a music person, but I think synthesizing, not needing bands, the rapidity with which music can be created and the lack of effort that is required to create a hit, I think it's led to a lot of slop. And the enduring power of music is to evoke reactions for decades, which is what Taylor Swift's going to be doing as a modern day beetle.

[Buck Sexton]

I again, I think it's great. You know, I actually, you know what? I think the most, the best comparison with Taylor Swift would be now, I'm not saying they're similar artists, but in terms of their place, it would be Madonna. In the 80s for young Madonna was huge among women. In the 80s it kind of transitioned a bit to being Madonna. Very popular among the LGBTQ community as we got older as well as girls, you know, younger girls. But Madonna was an icon in the 80s and you really don't hear Madonna songs anymore. So that's my, that's where I, that's where I would come down on this one. And we did have the conversation before. Not to take this into a kind of a rough direction, but I think that I just, just my sense of the atmospherics on this, I could be wrong and I, and I get it. I feel the same way. And I know people also sometimes feel very passionate about this. Michael Jackson, I think was the pop music catalog, one of the greatest pop music pop music catalogs in all. Maybe the greatest pop music catalog in history, but one of the greatest, to be sure. Pop music, I'm saying. And people don't really listen to Michael Jackson. It's less and less you hear it, you know, it used to be just like the safe choice. Any party anywhere, any store anywhere in the world, somebody could put on Michael Jackson and everybody liked it. I think you hear a lot less Michael Jackson.

[Clay Travis]

Jackson now that's interesting. I don't what ties them together, by the way. Do you know who owned the Beatles catalog?

[Buck Sexton]

Michael Jackson. Yes.

[Clay Travis]

And one of the ways that his estate became Paul McCartney was ticked off

[Buck Sexton]

about that, by the way. Big Time.

[Clay Travis]

But Michael Jackson was such an astute businessman, or the people around him were that he had the Beatles catalog and then he paired it with the Michael Jackson catalog. And that's interesting. I. I still hear. I feel like Michael Jackson a lot, but I'm kind of thinking through it. Have the plays of Michael Jackson songs. And certainly people are going to say that's partly connected to the overall crisis of.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm going to tell you that.

[Clay Travis]

Super popular.

[Buck Sexton]

The data. The data. I would, I will admit, taking an L on this one. Interesting. Radio airplay has dropped considerably. You don't hear it just on the radio anymore, but streaming way up in the last few years. I'm wrong on that. On Michael Jackson songs. I'm. You don't find that surprise went from 4.7 billion in 2021 to 6.5 billion in 2023. I mean, really up.

[Clay Travis]

I'm not surprised by it because my wife loves Michael Jackson and she got our kids all as big Michael Jackson fans too. So in the Travis family playlist, Michael Jackson is still popular and. And so I'm not surprised. I did wonder what the impact of the allegations against him were, but I think he's so popular and his songs were so talented that a lot of people just say he was never convicted of anything. And he is the 1980s, fair to say, the most popular artist of the 1980s. I don't think even there's a close second. You could argue.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I mean, I would. I would think so. Yeah. I would think so for sure.

[Clay Travis]

The production staff is overwhelmed by the tsunami of reactions that are pouring in from so many different of you. Many of them very funny. Including. Let's see this one from. I want to make sure I get it. J. This is, I'm told, very funny. Hit it with Dave.

[Buck Sexton]

Hey, this is Dave from Cary, North Carolina. And I just want to ask Clay if he had the choice between going to a Taylor Swift concert or spending an evening with Bill Melusion, which would he take? Thanks, guys. Bye.

[Clay Travis]

I would combine them. I would take Bill Melujian to the Taylor Swift concert. Why would I pick one or the other? Can you imagine? I think Bill Malluchin is married. I'm not sure that there is a more fertile opportunity to meet young, attractive women. You were talking about Buck when you went and Madonna had the concert in Atlantic City and you're with your brother. I bet if you are a single guy. And I just remember seeing all the girls walking around downtown Nashville when Taylor Swift had the multiple studio shows. It is 90% young women in that, in that stadium. I'm not sure there's a more fertile environment, literally a fertile environment for a single guy than the Taylor Swift concert.

[Buck Sexton]

Counterpoint. All those young ladies are listening to songs about how bad the ex boyfriends were. And there's like a weird girl power vibe to all this Taylor Swift stuff. It's all about her breakups. You don't think that matters.

[Clay Travis]

The entire purpose of Taylor Swift's professional career is to find the right guy. And it's just a tumultuous sorted what, you know, walk to try to find the right guy.

[Buck Sexton]

There's something, there's something about you doing analysis of Taylor Swift's whole career and about young women walking around Nashville. They're all looking at the right guy. With this mustache that you have, it's just perfect. I can't explain it. Do more Taylor Swift analysis with your mustache, but I just love it.

[Clay Travis]

I the mustache is going to break in on TV soon and I don't know that the TV audience is prepared for this.

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