Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck - Jan 25 2026

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Sunday Hang

Episode Date: January 25, 2026

Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton

Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Description: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle news, politics, and current events with intelligence and humor, guiding listeners through hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations.

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Overview

In this lively Sunday “hang” episode, Clay and Buck take a break from hard news and open up the phone lines to riff with listeners. Themes range from selling off states, to hot takes on regional foods, to a spirited debate about the quality of R&B music. The episode thrives on call-ins and the spontaneous interplay between hosts, blending comedy with personal anecdotes and strong opinions.

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Listener Talkbacks: "Which State (or Territory) Should We Sell?"

[01:52–04:39]

• Hosts read and react to humorous listener suggestions about which state the US should “sell” to benefit the nation.

  • David from New Mexico: Suggests selling Minnesota to Canada for $200.
    • “Let’s take up a collection and let’s sell Minnesota to Canada. I think we should ask maybe 200 bucks.” – [02:29]
  • David from Tampa, FL (originally Albuquerque):
    • “Yes, please give it [New Mexico] away because they just keep voting Democrat and that state has become hellhole. So with the exception of the food, I think the country might be better off without New Mexico.” – [03:32]
  • Brandon from Wisconsin:
    • Wants to sell Illinois, throws shade at Chicago deep dish pizza.
    • “I think Illinois would be the no brainer. I mean, solely because deep dish pizza is terrible and everybody knows it.” – [03:52]
  • Hosts banter:
    • Clay notes regional sports rivalries, but defends deep dish pizza.
    • Buck calls Brandon’s take a “low blow.” – [04:04]

• Another suggestion: Sell Puerto Rico, with wry political humor about statehood and taxes.

  • “Make it a state and then sell it off. Hell, just give it away.” – Jim (Listener) [04:40]
  • Clay and Buck riff on tax incentives for businesses in Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands, sharing that Clay is licensed to practice law in the US Virgin Islands and may consider moving for the favorable 4% tax rate.
    • “Why the hell am I going to give people 40% of my income for the rest of my life? 4%. It’s an incredible opportunity.” – Clay [05:30]

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Regional Food and Drink Hot Takes

[06:43–14:50]

Overrated and Underrated Foods

• Philly Cheesesteak under attack:

  • Buck: “Philadelphia cheesesteak is the most disappointing.” – [07:58]
  • Clay disagrees, saying he likes it, especially at Pats and Geno’s, though acknowledges the fast-paced order process.
    • “I thought Pats and Geno’s were both good.” – [12:45]
  • Buck criticizes the “cheese whiz”—calls it “gross” and demands real cheese.
    • “The cheese whiz. That stuff is disgusting. It’s going to be like fake cheese for another hundred years on the shelf.” – [08:24]

• Deep Dish Pizza:

  • Clay defends, shares love for Lou Malnati’s gluten-free deep dish (“delicious, like 4,000 calories in one sitting”). – [06:43]

• Most Overrated Foods:

  • Clay tries to dodge with “England’s fish and chips,” but Buck wants a domestic answer. – [07:30]

• Puerto Rican Cuisine:

  • Clay: “Mofongo is like the food of Puerto Rico. Trash. It’s not good.” – [13:22]

• Roadies in USVI:

  • Clay throws them “under the bus,” too. – [13:39]

• Hot Chicken in Nashville:

  • Clay: “Hot chicken in Nashville is really good… that’s a good choice.” – [14:39]

• Chowder Praised:

  • Buck: “A good chowda when you’re at a cold day—nothing better.” – [12:59]

Most (Disgusting) Hard Liquor

• Both quickly agree: Jaegermeister is the worst.
  • “I would rather drink like Nyquil in excess than drink Jagermeister.” – Buck [09:17]
  • “It’s disgusting. Remember when Jager bombs were super popular?” – Clay [09:22]

Most Underrated Drinks

• Clay: Espresso martini and sangria—“I promise I have a functional penis,” joking about his masculinity for liking them.
  • “Espresso martini has surged in popularity… The other one: sangria. I think sangria is the most consistently underrated… uplifting drink.” – [10:28]
• Buck supports the espresso martini: “Espresso martini is actually delicious. I can’t lie.” – [11:10]

Coffee Routines

• Buck shares woes of his complex coffee machine: “I feel like I work for my coffee machine. Like, it’s my employer now.” – [11:45]
• Clay is simple: “I go straight with the Keurig, already basically ready Crockett coffee.” – [12:18]

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Divisive Music Opinions: R&B, Disco, and Musicals

[14:50–27:48]

Disco and R&B

• Disco Music:

  • Buck: “I hate disco music more than any other kind, any other genre.” – [15:39]

• R&B as a genre:

  • Clay launches into a take that R&B “standing alone” is terrible, and only works when it crosses over with rap or pop.
    • “Most R&B is awful. There’s like five R&B songs that are actually popular.” – [16:12]
    • “When I say R&B, I mean like Toni Braxton wailing … just atrocious.” – [16:38]

• Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Aretha:

  • Buck pushes back—“Stevie Wonder, Amazing. Aretha Franklin, Amazing. Whitney Houston, Marvin Gaye… you don’t like Marvin Gaye songs?” – [18:34, 20:09]
  • Clay: “I don’t even know that many Marvin Gaye songs to start with… Is that ‘Let’s Get It On’?” – [20:24]

• Boyz II Men:

  • Clay: “Boyz II Men has like, three good songs ever. They are still wildly popular, but … the actual ballads are awful.” – [20:34]

• Clay’s Critique:

  • “Everything you like that’s actually R&B is just pop that they have disguised as the R&B.” – [25:21]
  • “Pull an album up and just listen to somebody wailing. That is real R&B. And it’s awful.” – [25:21]

• Buck:

  • “I feel like Attila the Hun is explaining the Sistine Chapel to me right now.” – [25:40]

Musicals

• Clay: “I’ve never been to a musical and thought, you know what? This is better because they sang. Just act like you’re actors.” – [21:08]

• Anecdotes about seeing Broadway shows with their kids, and personal tales about enduring (and resenting) shows like Frozen and Hedwig and the Angry Inch.

  • Buck: “You make the Buckster sit through some nonsense like that. You are not long for the…” [23:46]
  • Clay: “That’s a weird chick that wanted you… to take her to go see Frozen.” [24:15]

• Buck (to Clay):

  • “You barbarian. You cultural barbarian.” [22:20]

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Listener Responses: R&B Debate

[26:17–28:51]

• Diana from Houston: “Buck, please take the shovel away from Clay.”
  • Clay (confidently): “When you think you’re right, you don’t bail. And I’m right on this.” – [27:32]
• Brian from North Dakota sides with Clay: “The original R&B… but what we moved into is just nothing but pop and money and a scream fest. Whitney Houston started it all. And quite honestly, if I want to get yelled at, I move back in with one of my ex-wives.” – [27:57]
  • Buck defends Whitney: “Whitney Houston is amazing.” – [28:20]
  • Clay: “Her voice is so good that she got lazy… eight of your songs are the worst.” – [28:26]

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Short Segment: Movie Blindspot

[29:56–30:51]

• Billy from NY shocked that neither host has ever seen The Warriors (1979).
  • Hosts chalk it up to their ages; it came out when they were babies.

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The Economy and Gen Z

[30:59–31:38]

• Ryan from Iowa (Gen Z) calls out challenges for his generation—cost of gold, wage depreciation, why young people can be drawn toward socialism:

  • “The economy is just not what it was.” – [30:59]

• Buck ties in inflation concerns and the challenges of homeownership for wage-earners.

  • Clay notes expanded expectations for home sizes now vs. the 1970s and before.
  • “A starter home today would have been the biggest home in the neighborhood back then.” – [31:38]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Regional Food Takedowns:

  • “Mofongo is like the food of Puerto Rico. Trash. It’s not good.” – Clay [13:22]
  • “Philadelphia cheesesteak is the most disappointing.” – Buck [07:58]

• Musical Preferences:

  • “I’ve never been to a musical and thought, you know what? This is better because they sang.” – Clay [21:08]
  • “You barbarian. You cultural barbarian.” – Buck [22:20]

• R&B Music Debate:

  • “Most R&B is awful. There’s like five R&B songs that are actually popular.” – Clay [16:12]
  • “I feel like Attila the Hun is explaining the Sistine Chapel to me right now.” – Buck [25:40]
  • “Buck, please take the shovel away from Clay.” – Diana from Houston (Listener) [26:54]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• State/Territory “Sell” suggestions: 01:52–06:43
• Food and Drink Hot Takes: 06:43–14:50
• Musical Debates (R&B/Disco): 14:50–27:48
• Listener Feedback/R&B Defenses: 26:17–28:51
• Movie Blindspots: 29:56–30:51
• Gen Z & The Economy: 30:59–32:08

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is a loose, humorous hang-out session between two friends and their engaged audience. The tone is irreverent, at times combative but always tongue-in-cheek, with both hosts unafraid to lay down controversial or unpopular opinions for the sake of discussion and fun.

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Final Thoughts

This Sunday episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers exactly what longtime listeners enjoy—spirited, unfiltered banter, listener participation, social commentary with a heavy dose of humor, and a break from the week's heavier political news. From selling states to defending (or slamming) American foods and music genres, it is a showcase in personality-driven talk radio.

Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

Clay and Buck podcast starts now.

[Clay Travis]

Got a ton of talkbacks. Let's dive into some of those that have been put together. Encourage you guys as always Fastest way to get the show this is the reality. Fastest way to get the show and easiest way to get your voice heard on the show is the Talk Back I Heart app. It's super easy to use. Give us 30 seconds of your best takes on any topic under the sun and producer Greg will hear them and you may find yourself here. Let's see. I'm going through. I want to get caught up. BB David in New Mexico. I don't think we've played bb. I know we played aa. Let's hear bb. Hey boys, this is David from New Mexico. Leave us alone. Instead, let's take up a collection and let's sell Minnesota to Canada. I think we should ask maybe 200 bucks. Very funny. I like that that New Mexicans, which I'm presuming is what you are called if you live in New Mexico, are deciding that they are going to throw other states under the bus. By the way, my college roommate is a orthopedic surgeon in Albuquerque, New Mexico. He has not weighed in yet on my suggestion that we should just give New Mexico back, but I've abandoned that now, having recognized how much oil value there is. Podcast listener David in Tampa, Florida used to live in New Mexico and He actually, he actually agrees with me.

[David (Listener)]

Clay and Buck, this is David in Tampa, Florida. I'm a native of Albuquerque, New Mexico. Yes, please give it away because they just keep voting Democrat and that state has become hellhole. So with the exception of the food, I think the country might be better off without New Mexico.

[Clay Travis]

Brandon in Wisconsin, lots of good feedback. Dee Dee, Brandon, great job as usual. Brandon from Wisconsin here. As far as selling a state, I think Illinois would be the no brainer. I mean, solely because deep dish pizza is terrible and everybody knows it. Wow, throwing heat at deep dish pizza is really good.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, Wisconsin there, he just kind of went for a low blow. You know, he just, he, Wisconsin just decided that Illinois needed to get some dust kicked in his eyes.

[Clay Travis]

I will say the packers in Green Bay and the Bears in Chicago. I sound like Eddie Murphy on Coming to America. They, there's a lot of discord between Chicago and, and, and Minnesota and, and Wisconsin. Certainly the brewers factor in there too. So he's just wrong on deep dish pizza though. I think it's amazing. Podcast listener Jim, he has another idea of what we should trade away.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay.

[Jim (Listener)]

The obvious answer is Puerto Rico. Democrats have been saber rattling forever now about making it a state. Fine, make it a state and then sell it off. Hell, just give it away. You still kill two birds with one stone.

[Clay Travis]

This is going to stun people. I may live in Puerto Rico someday.

[Buck Sexton]

I thought you were going to say you, you, you're licensed to practice law in Puerto Rico.

[Clay Travis]

I'm not licensed in Puerto Rico. I'm licensed in the US Virgin Islands. Do you know this is true? Do you know that you can qualify as a business in Puerto Rico, Also in the US Virgin Islands? 4% tax. Yes, you can qualify and pay 4% tax if you base your business there. I know people who have done it. Both of those places are beautiful. My kids are too young right now. I've got an 11 year old in seven. I'm not. This is, this is 100% true. In seven years. You may sit down one day and all of a sudden you're just going to be like, wait, Clay Travis just lives in Puerto Rico. Clay Travis lives in the Virgin Islands. Why the hell am I going to give people 40% of my income for the rest of my life? I.4%. It is an incredible opportunity there. So I would do it so they.

[Buck Sexton]

Can sell their business at that. When they, when they have the transaction of selling a business that they've built, they'll move to Puerto. I actually know a lawyer who Specialized in making sure. Because if you have a big ticket business that.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Out kick situation and you. And you claim that you live in Puerto Rico. Oh, they're going to, they're going to come after you because that's one of those moments where it's really worth it for the tax authorities. So you got to make sure you are ironclad with. He said that you have to really.

[Clay Travis]

Be there for two years. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

In order to claim that you're. You're free and clear of that. You know, for the sale purpose of, of getting that 4% tax. I.

[Clay Travis]

Look, I'm a licensed attorney in the U.S. virgin Islands and have been since 2004. I may start a new media company and it may be based down in the Caribbean at some point and I may get a 4% tax rate and people are going to be angry and I'm going to be.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I ask you something? Because we had that heat from the deep dish pizza conversation a second ago here, which, you know, there is one. There is a really good one of the really. Lou Malnati's makes a gluten free deep dish. So I gotta say that was delicious. It was like 4,000 calories that I put away in one sitting, but it was, it was delicious. I can't throw shade at that. What is. We haven't upset enough people about their like regional living or state or anything else today. So I feel like we can keep going. Let's upset some more people. What is the food that a place is known for that you think is the most overrated? This is a tough one. I've got an answer.

[Clay Travis]

I've got an answer for you. It's not necessarily United States, it's England fishing.

[Buck Sexton]

No, no, no, no.

[Clay Travis]

I'm throwing England. I'm throwing England.

[Buck Sexton]

That's a dodge.

[Clay Travis]

The biggest criticism I have of England is your. Your national culinary delicacy is basically Captain D's. It's like breaded fish and, and it's French fries. Like, that's all.

[Buck Sexton]

We can't go foreign countries on this clay. I want you to upset a region of America, a city, perhaps even.

[Clay Travis]

What is your answer?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, no question.

[Clay Travis]

That's awful. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh. Philadelphia cheesesteak is the most disappointing.

[Clay Travis]

I like the cheese most.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's Pats and Geno's, those places. I went to both when I was in Philly. The steak is trash. It's not good. I do not like.

[Clay Travis]

I like a Philly cheesesteak. I think that's really good.

[Buck Sexton]

No, a Philly cheesesteak can be good, but the version of the Philly cheesesteak you tend to get in Philadelphia, not good.

[Clay Travis]

Oh.

[Buck Sexton]

People can't get mad at me. I'm just, I'm speaking the truth.

[Clay Travis]

And everybody.

[Buck Sexton]

The cheese whiz. That stuff is disgusting. It's going to be like fake cheese for another hundred years on the shelf.

[Clay Travis]

It's gross. Our boss, Julie Talbot's going to be on me. This is. I probably know more about alcohol than I do food because I'm not exactly a c. Culinary artist. I'm going to come back to it again. The mint julep.

[Buck Sexton]

No. You're just gonna get us so much hate over this.

[Clay Travis]

I'm sorry.

[Buck Sexton]

I like the mint julep. I'm not with you on this.

[Clay Travis]

You're.

[Buck Sexton]

You're alone on this one.

[Clay Travis]

Look, I like it. I, I, I, I'm, I like alcohol. I'm not gonna sit around and say, oh, you know, and the more mint juleps you drink, the better they are. And Michael's gonna be upset. Julie's husband, because the first thing I did when we got to the Kentucky Derby, he had a mint julep for me.

[Buck Sexton]

What is the most disgusting hard liquor? What is the most disgusting type of hard liquor? This is an easy answer. You should be able to hit this right away.

[Clay Travis]

Jaegermeister.

[Buck Sexton]

Jagermeister.

[Clay Travis]

100%. Clear this in advance.

[Buck Sexton]

I would rather. I would rather drink like nyquil in excess than drink Jagermeister.

[Clay Travis]

It's disgusting. Remember when Jager bombs were super popular?

[Buck Sexton]

Of course.

[Clay Travis]

You were out on. You were on the dating circuit in a big way with the Jager bomb era.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I did a lot of Jager bombs on dates, Claire. I don't know what you think it was like for.

[Clay Travis]

I would think I want to get as. I want to get as many Jager bombs in as possible. Make the date as enjoyable as possible. Oh, I mean, Jager bombs were. I think Jager bomb is probably the worst for people who don't know. That was not a complicated mix. It was just Jager, which is. Even makes me cringe to think about it. And Red Bull. Like, you just. I mean, Red Bull, by the way, not very good by itself. Anyway, I, I don't think Red Bull is going to be signing up to sponsor. Here is the most underrated drink, and I promise that I have a functional penis. I'm going to tell you two drinks that are underrated. That. But I promise that I'm a heterosexual man. One is the espresso martini. The espresso martini has surged in popularity of late. You got a great coffee. Mix with liquor. Get a little bit more of energy if you're out late. Espresso martini. Very good. Order the other one. And I get made fun of this by my wife all the time. The other one. Sangria. I think sangria is the most consistently underrated. Like, nice uplifting drink that is out there. Now, look, my go to order to protect myself is an old fashioned. I go Old Fashioned. That is my go to drink. That is a very masculine drink. But the two most underrated drinks at the bar right now, sangria and espresso martini. Somewhat I actually can't.

[Buck Sexton]

I can't throw shade at either one of them. I was hoping you were going to say Cosmo. And then we were just going to open up the lines for the rest of the show to have all the guys call in and make fun of you for that. Like all of our truckers, we're just going to line up truck to truck and just call in. But espresso martini is actually delicious. I can't. I can't lie.

[Clay Travis]

It's surged in like the last three or four years. You know, Laura, who likes to argue with me, my wife was saying, oh, there's not actual coffee and espresso martinis. I was like, no. Yes. It's not just a coffee flavor. And I was proven correct. Correct on this.

[Buck Sexton]

I gotta tell you, my wife bought as part of a Christmas gift to ourselves. I. We have, you know, obviously I use the Crockett coffee beans, but we don't have a Crockett coffee maker yet. So I had to buy one of these, like, fancy pants machines.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

The amount of. I swear, I feel like I am. I don't know if I'm like a rocket scientist or a chemical engineer or something. The amount of things that I have to do to keep this machine running so I can drink my Crockett coffee in the morning. The amount of like, you know, cleanings and. And rinsings and this and that, and I got to do all these things all the time. I feel like I work for my coffee machine. Like, it's my employer now in the morning, and I have to do whatever I need to to make it.

[Clay Travis]

You don't.

[Buck Sexton]

You don't have one of these. We got, like, it's. It's an all. It can make you, like, the fanciest, foamy, delicious coffee.

[Clay Travis]

I go straight with the. The Keurig already basically ready Crockett coffee. Boom, Put it in. And then, like, I just drink it out of my you can't go wrong ever mug here with. With coffee.

[Buck Sexton]

That's very. That's very. That's very solid. I wonder if I'm going to get lit up on the cheesesteak thing. It's not that a cheesesteak cannot be good. If you were to have high quality steak and fre. You know, an actual onions and peppers that were sliced up and everything else. But the cheesesteak. Places that I've been to in Philly.

[Clay Travis]

I thought Pats and Geno's were both good. Now, I don't love the fact that you have to stand in line and you get like 20 seconds to get your order and you have to immediately take it out. Like, I think I agree with you that there are probably places where you could sit and have a cheesesteak that is better.

[Buck Sexton]

But like the whiz stuff, the cheese whiz they put on it, it's just gross. Why use real cheese? What are. This isn't. We're not in wartime. We're not rationing cheese here. I don't need government cheese. Give me real cheese. This is the thing. Like, I think, for example, Boston chowda. I think all chowdas are a little underrated, to be honest with you. A good chowda is amazing. Like a good chowda when you're at a cold day. Nothing better.

[Clay Travis]

I said nice things about Puerto Rico earlier. I have no idea how many people listen to the show in Puerto Rico or spent substantial times in Puerto Rico. Rico, mufungo is like the. The food of Puerto Rico trash. It's not good. Mufungo.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't even know. I don't even know.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know. It may be culturally insensitive of me. I tried it. People are like, oh, you're gonna love mofongo. Mofongo. It's like, no, it's not good. Roadies. I lived in the US Virgin Islands. Roadies, not good. Like, I'll throw them under the bus, too. Like. Like, look, there are things that you have that are unique to a particular area that are amazing. Like, you're wrong on cobbler, for instance, which is a fabulous dessert.

[Buck Sexton]

Smashed up pie. It's pie for people that made a mistake and don't want to admit it. Which is fine. I get it. We all make mistakes. Cobbler people. But just admit that you messed up your pie and now you're going with plan B. That's all I'm trying to tell you. It's fine. I will say Wisconsin. Wisconsin. And it's cheese delicious.

[Clay Travis]

It's Hard to go wrong. Although you were just taking a shot at Cheez Whiz.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, that's because it's not really cheese.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

But you go around that the various regional cuisines. I always think it's funny to people in California and people in Texas are like, you can't get tacos like this. And we can get. We can get good tacos. All right, you guys have good tacos. I'm not knocking them, but, like, there's a lot of places with good tacos.

[Clay Travis]

Hot chicken in Nashville is really good. Kind of taken off in the last 10 or 15 years. That's a good choice.

[Buck Sexton]

This is the time of the Clay and Buck show when it's clear we never actually get to eat lunch and we get hungry. So we're just sitting here talking about.

[Clay Travis]

I'm seriously fix the country. I'm sitting around like, I can't believe you're insulting the Philly cheesesteak. That would be.

[Buck Sexton]

I just. I want you guys to know this is the kind of co host. This is the kind of loyalty I have to my esteemed co host Mr. Clay, is that he's getting all this incoming. You know, they're about to blow him up like Los Alamos back in the day here over his New Mexico takedown. So I'm now just throwing myself in front of the bus in Philadelphia and everybody who loves the Rocky movies is like, ready to kick my ass over cheesesteak. So it happens. Sunday hang with Clay and Buck. It was disco Christmas music. This is perhaps where. Get off my lawn. Buck rears his ugly head.

[Clay Travis]

Now you're going to join me. Christmas. Good luck on the. On the responses you're going to get.

[Buck Sexton]

I. I don't care anybody's. I hate disco music if they. I think I hate disco music more than any other kind. Any other genre of music. I would rather have, like, weird, like, you know, what's like the. The tribal, like, guttural singing they do in like, Nordic countries. Like, like, I'd rather that anything but disco music.

[Clay Travis]

I. I would probably say R B is my least favorite music. Really.

[Buck Sexton]

There's some good.

[Clay Travis]

Most R B is awful. There's like five R&B songs that are actually popular. I'm talking about like, you know, and they tend to be more pop than.

[Buck Sexton]

They are bone thugs and harmony. Nothing for you. They're nothing.

[Clay Travis]

No, no. But bone thugs and harmony is. Is the rap mixed with the R B. The R B by itself is often just atrocious. Just atrocious. Now when they bone thugs Is not.

[Buck Sexton]

Is not. That's not R B.

[Clay Travis]

That's right.

[Buck Sexton]

That's right.

[Clay Travis]

Thugs get harmony.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh. Both dogs in harmony. Really? Oh, okay. That shows what I know.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. Oh, I, I, I think that would be clearly classified as rap. If I go back in seven, RIP I think at least one of the. Is it busy? I don't. I'm always. I always hesitate to say who's actually dead. One of the Bone Thugs in Harmony guys is dead. I don't want to pronounce the wrong guy dead, but, you know, unexpected.

[Buck Sexton]

According to. According to AI, they straddle the line between hip hop and R B. As part of. That's.

[Clay Travis]

Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's only when you move R B close to another genre that it becomes likable. So people out there are like, oh, I like R and B. Most of you like R and B when it's crossed with rap or crossed with pop or crossed with, you know, countrymen. Whatever you want to say whenever it's crossed with something else. Otherwise, it's just like Tony Braxton wailing.

[Buck Sexton]

Along with Stevie Wonder. R and B, you heathen.

[Clay Travis]

No, he would be pop. The songs that you like that are. Stevie Wonder would be popular. The true R and B. When I say R and B, I mean, like Toni Braxton. I hope she's still alive. I think she's dead too, isn't she? I'm just. There's a lot of dead people out there. Apologies if Tony Braxton still alive. It's like the Mariah Carey who I know is alive. It's like the Mariah Carey songs that you like all veer towards pop. And the ones where she just is, like, screaming and singing. That's awful. So anyway, I'm. I'm anti R and B. I mean.

[Buck Sexton]

According to AI, I'm just. I'm just going this year. By the way, I have to point out wherever I can if Clay gets anything wrong between now and when the election happens, because increasingly, it is looking likely that Kamala is going to run.

[Clay Travis]

I was going to raise this, but we have so many serious, awful stories out there, but Kamala's.

[Buck Sexton]

We need to give everybody a break. We need to give everybody a break from this. It's too much of a. We got the Christmas music going, and today's like, a big bummer of all the terrible things happening in the world. But top R and B, according to AI. Stevie Wonder. Amazing. Aretha Franklin. Amazing. Whitney Houston, Marvin Gaye, Clay. The worst music of all. I said of all genres. I mean, I'm throwing, like, international whatever in there.

[Clay Travis]

I would rather listen to disco because it's upbeat and not just, again, the R B that pops, the R and B that people like, I will die on this hill. It actually is not very much R and B. It actually.

[Buck Sexton]

But what is. What is, like, classic. What is. What is true R B. Then if. If all the R and B artists are not really R B, what is R B?

[Clay Travis]

Beyonce. When. Let's use Beyonce as an example. Beyonce will come out with an album that has, I don't know, 15 songs. Nine of them will be actual, you know, ballads where she's just standing there, you know, just singing. And then the ones that are actually successful will be the ones where she dances. And there is a pop element associated with it, Right? Like, you go back and look, if you actually listen to most of Beyonce's songs, 90% of them are awful. And then she has 10 that are huge crossover appeals because they have strong hip hop elements. Because they have strong pop elements. Traditional R and B, to me, is just somebody like, I just think Houston standing there singing.

[Buck Sexton]

I think your definition is just like, Jell O here. Like, I try to. I try to squeeze in one area. Like, I'm sitting here, I'm looking at, like, Marvin Gaye is an R and B artist. You don't like mar. Like, straight up, he's an R and B artist. You don't like Marvin Gaye songs.

[Clay Travis]

I don't even know that many Marvin Gaye songs to start with. Is that let's get it on? Is that Marvin Gaye? Is that his most famous song?

[Buck Sexton]

Probably, yes. Okay, yes.

[Clay Travis]

My argument, okay, like, this is a good one. They're saying boys to men, okay? I'm talking about people in my life. Boyz to Men has like, three good songs ever. They are still wildly popular, but it's like Motown Philly, where they have a little bit of more hip hop flavor. The actual ballads, they're awful.

[Buck Sexton]

You see that? You see this? This is like. It's like dealing with a leftist. When you talk to Clay about music, all of a sudden, oh, no, in my lifetime, you're throwing that in, buddy. I dropped that Marvin Gaye on the table. And you knew you were in trouble.

[Clay Travis]

This is where I'm 100% right is I'm also very anti musical. So I will own this. I've never been to a musical and thought, you know what? This is better because they sang. Just act like your actors. Go act. I don't need you to Break into song. But R and B is. If you just had to listen to the worst. Most R and B like that is just somebody standing there wailing into a mic for 20 consecutive songs, you would. It would be worse than disco, I think.

[Buck Sexton]

So when Russell Crowe and the guy who plays Wolverine in Les Mis were like, sing. Shouting at each other. You weren't into that? That didn't do it for you? Do you even know what I'm talking about?

[Clay Travis]

No, I mean, I know that they're like, I will only go. I will only go to a musical. Because I believe that if I go to a musical. I think south park actually made a joke about this. And one of the. That I presume my wife will sleep with me after I go to a musical. That is the only re. That I'm sitting there just thinking, well, at least she's going to sleep with me after this is over. The whole musical universe, they're all awful, and they would all be better if they just talked.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm just saying, you barbarian. You cultural barbarian. That I don't have to explain to you that the Rockettes. Not really a musical. You know what I mean? The ladies with the nice legs dancing around.

[Clay Travis]

That's. That's a.

[Buck Sexton]

That's its own thing.

[Clay Travis]

I will admit that I can be distracted by ladies with nice legs dancing around such that I don't notice the awful singing, but every time they start to sing a song. I went. I took my kids. I went to go see. And I'm not an anti Broadway guy. I went to go see the Harry Potter and the cursed Child. I took my kids really, really good. I went to go because I'm super cultured. I went to go see Denzel Washington and Jake Gillenol in. Yeah. Was it Macbeth? Othello. Okay, well, a Shakespeare play.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, Shakespeare, Clay. That guy Shakespeare, he's got some good stuff.

[Clay Travis]

I went to go see George Clooney in the. In the. Whatever thing he was doing where he's playing the cbs Edward R. Murrow. No singing. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Good night and good luck. Producer Greg. Pretty good save on that one. Yeah, I. A long time ago, I had a date who demanded that I take. I shouldn't say demanded, but she kind of demanded that we go to Frozen on Broadway. That was brutal. That was brutal. Didn't last. That's all I can tell you didn't last. She really want to go to Frozen.

[Clay Travis]

They made a movie about. I mean, they made a play about Frozen.

[Buck Sexton]

It was on Broadway. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Really? I didn't even know that I missed that one. Well, that's kind of weird.

[Buck Sexton]

You make the Buckster sit through some nonsense like that. You are not long for the.

[Clay Travis]

They made a Broadway play version of Frozen, and it's already off. Didn't frozen make, like $8 billion? How did the play not work? Like, they still have Aladdin, the play. I've seen all of these. Cause I was with my kids. The Lion King. They did all the different play versions on Broadway. But. Oh, man, that's a weird chick that wanted you as part of a date to take her to go see Frozen.

[Buck Sexton]

I got taken on a date to Hedwig and the Angry Inch. And I never forgot nor forgave that debacle either. I don't know if you know what that play is about, but if you do, you'll know what I'm talking about. Not good. Not good. A guy cuts off his own. You know what, Clay? True story. That's the play. And there's some rock music. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Must be popular with Democrats.

[Buck Sexton]

Kind of their anthem.

[Clay Travis]

A lot of Democrat men. A lot of Democrat men. A little bit of a metaphor there. All right, do we have to get back now, like.

[Buck Sexton]

No, no. I think we got to open up the calls.

[Clay Travis]

I think we've got to hit the.

[Buck Sexton]

Reset and talk about, like, serious things.

[Clay Travis]

In the top of the next day. Yes. At the top of the next hour, people are going to be angrier at me about my R and B and musicals.

[Buck Sexton]

Take this is the top five. Wrong Clay. Take top five clay. Belly flop right here on R and B. There's such worse genres of music than R and B. I'm not even. I don't love R and B, but there is some great R B out there. Like, Aretha Franklin is incredible. Okay?

[Clay Travis]

But again, if it's not real R and B, they're pushing it into pop. Everything you like. That's actually R and B is just pop that they have disguised as the R and B. Go, go pull an album up and just listen to somebody wailing. That is real R and B. And it's awful.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, I feel like Attila the Hun is explaining the Sistine Chapel to me right now. Like, this is just not. This is just not working for me.

[Clay Travis]

I was just in the Sistine Chapel. I appreciate great art.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, Sistine Chapel is very nice. Very nice.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. That's.

[Buck Sexton]

Ever since Clay got doused with holiness, you know, now he's just an expert on all these things. You know, he's. Ever since his high five with the.

[Clay Travis]

Pope, he gets a Hang with the Pope. You just see the world. I bet the Pope agrees with me.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

The big controversy of the day, Clay's take on music. We knew this was going to happen. I thought I'd upset some disco lovers out there, but no. Clay decided I'm just. He said hold my beer or maybe hold my. I'm going to do something even more inflammatory by throwing all of R and B under the bus. This is Diana from Houston. Isn't Diana Ross, by the way fantastic?

[Clay Travis]

I was going to say, is this Diana Ross who's called. It would be amazing if.

[Buck Sexton]

If Aretha the Queen Franklin herself were to send us a talk back right now. Maybe, maybe a little singing. Cece Diana from Houston, hit it.

[Clay Travis]

Buck, please take the shovel away from Clay.

[Announcer]

He's digging a deeper hole.

[Clay Travis]

The more he talks, the deeper it gets.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't understand. Go ahead.

[Clay Travis]

I was going to say, I think most people agree with me. I think, I think most people out there are like, you know what? Clay's right. Because R and B is awful standing alone. They have to cross it with actual good genres in order to make it popular.

[Buck Sexton]

I just want to tell you, shovel ready, Clay is the best Clay. The Clay that has that shovel and keeps digging is like the most entertaining because once, once you goad him into it, once you give him the off ramp from his craziness, no interest, he's going to. He's going to dig a hole to China.

[Clay Travis]

When you think you're right, you don't bail. And I'm right on this. The traditional RNB is a wasted genre that has to cross pollinate with actual genres that people want to listen.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, here we go. Someone in North Dakota, big surprise, Brian wants to take Clay's side in the R and B debate. Go ahead, put them on.

[Brian (Listener)]

Yeah, well, no problem with that. You know the, the original R B. When you get back to the Temptations and Aretha Franklin and the folks you're talking about there, but. Absolutely correct. But what we moved into is just nothing but pop and money and a screen fest. Whitney Houston started it all. And quite honestly, if I want to get yelled at, I moved back in with one of my ex wives.

[Buck Sexton]

Wait, wait a sec, wait a second, wait a second. You're throwing Whitney Houston under the bus? Whitney Houston is amazing.

[Clay Travis]

She's amazing voice, Buck, but her voice is so good that she got lazy. And they just said, hey, you're gonna read the phone book for eight of your. Eight of your songs are the worst. These are the worst music takes I've ever heard. I've just. I didn't know. We're gonna cross pollinate it with pop and we'll actually have like three songs that people like that Whitney Houston does. And they don't even realize how awful most of Whitney Houston's music is, Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

Next thing you know, you're going to throw Mannheim Steamroller under the bus. It's just crazy what's coming out. What's crazy?

[Clay Travis]

I will say the Beyonce like. Like Love Affair is. Well, hold on. I might be contradicting myself for a second here is Adele.

[Buck Sexton]

That would be a shock as you're running in circles here on the. That's not R and B. This is R and B. I will.

[Clay Travis]

I will pull one exception out. I think Adele is a hundred percent R B. Would it be fair to say, although she crosses over with pop, too. Who is the most prominent current R B artist? Beyonce.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I don't know. I don't listen to really anything new anymore. I listen to, like a little bit of, you know, indie rock. And that. That's about. That's about it. By the way, we're getting thrown into the bus here. We're going to get back into the whole third hour. We're going to get into depressing news and analysis therein and the fight for western civilization, so. Because we're getting some calls about that, too. Ok, we'll get back to it. It's almost Christmas. We only talk about so much massacres, mayhem and. And terrorism and all these horrible things without. You know, we got to take a breather, too. All right. Billy from New York wants to throw us under the bus. This is Talk Back bb.

[Clay Travis]

Man, I had to get off my ladder just to. Just to tell you guys. I can't believe it either. You two. None of you seen the Warriors? You guys. What?

[Jim (Listener)]

I. I can't believe it.

[Buck Sexton]

Billy from New York is definitely from New York. I love it. I had to get off my ladder. Billy, we love you.

[Clay Travis]

This was, I think, age related because this is one where it came out in 1979. I think if you looked it up.

[Buck Sexton]

Because, Clay, you were just graduating college, you clearly should have seen this.

[Clay Travis]

I was born in 79. Buck was born in what, 82. 81. And so this is like one of those little windows where the movie came out, like when we were so young that we never went back to see it. I. I've never seen that movie. And I know people were fired, fired up about that. I think that was Friday. We had a talk back and we had to confess to that.

[Buck Sexton]

We have. We have a Gen Z podcast. Listener Ryan from Iowa wants to weigh in on the Gen Z phenomenon in politics these days. AA Hit it.

[Ryan (Listener)]

Hey, Clay and Buck, it's Ryan from Iowa. I'm a gen zer. I just wanted to point out that in 1980, apparently it was $850 an ounce to get gold versus nowadays $4,330. And in the 80s, it would be 274 hours at minimum wage versus nowadays at 597 hours. And that's why so many in my generation are falling into the trap of socialism. The economy is just not what it was.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, the, the inflation, the inflation problem is very real. And for wage earners and people trying to build assets, Clay, like, for example, buy their first home, inflation is a big challenge.

[Clay Travis]

I also think the homes have expanded monstrously since 1980. So what we consider to be a starter home, let me just point out in 2025, starter homes would have in many cases been considered the largest homes anywhere in a neighborhood back in the 70s or 60s or 50s, if you see some of the size of those homes historically. So I think it's also an expectation of how much bigger a home needs to be.

[Announcer]

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