Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck - Jan 4 2026

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck – Jan 4, 2026
Date: January 4, 2026
Podcast Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This lively “Sunday Hang” installment features Clay Travis and Buck Sexton unpacking the week’s trending news, politics, and cultural debates with their signature blend of humor, friendly needling, and spontaneous tangents. The centerpiece of this episode is a playful controversy surrounding Clay’s choice of drink—Whispering Angel rosé—at Fox's Patriot Awards, sparking a humorous debate on masculinity, man card rules, and the etiquette of drink choices at public events. The episode also touches on dating advice, social cues in the digital era, and how public perceptions around masculinity are evolving.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Whispering Angel” Rosé Scandal

• Clay’s Drink Choice at the Patriot Awards (00:21–03:43)

  • Clay recounts how Kayleigh McEnany publicly ribbed him on air for drinking Whispering Angel rosé, considered a “woman’s wine” by some.
  • Buck teases Clay about joining the “ladies’ table” in their drink of choice:
    “You decide to join in on their favorite beverage and have some chick wine right there. That’s how this goes.” (03:10, Buck Sexton)
  • Clay defends himself as being polite and not wanting to make a fuss, also admitting the rosé tasted pretty good.

• Kayleigh McEnany’s Press Rollout (05:55–08:30)

  • Kayleigh calls in, revealing the “photo evidence” of Clay and outlines her tongue-in-cheek “press rollout plan.”
    • She describes her dad’s disappointment, but also his defense of Clay’s masculinity:

      “My dad’s walking around the house going, Clay wrote a book called Balls. That man is a real man. He’s not a Whispering Angel man.” (06:38, Kayleigh McEnany)

  • Kayleigh playfully threatens more “media campaign” to come, keeping the bit going.

• Kayleigh’s Dad Weighs In (07:10–07:49)

  • Mike McEnany, Kayleigh’s dad, is heard praising Clay’s book “Balls” and expressing shock at the rosé incident.

    “Shocking. That’s…he had a bad night.” (07:49, Mike McEnany)

• Lighthearted Masculinity Debate (08:30–10:14)

  • Buck and Clay riff on the “man card” rules, with Buck admitting that rosé or frozen drinks can be permissible based on the situation.
  • Kayleigh jokes:

    “…you go get a nice mid-afternoon cocktail. Rosé’s a great one. So go enjoy.” (10:06, Kayleigh McEnany)

2. Marketing Opportunities and Gendered Drinks

• Inventing “Brose” (10:36–11:02)

  • Producer Ali suggests Clay should embrace the moment and sell a rosé for men called “brose.”

    “Just call it brose, and then it’s cool for guys to drink it, I think.” (10:39, Producer Ali)

  • Buck wonders if the trademark exists; Clay quips about the gender associations and recounts Ali joking that Whispering Angel is also favored by gay men.

• Cultural and Gender Stereotypes in Drinks (12:16–13:32)

  • Ongoing ribbing from Ali and Pam from Alaska about Clay’s drink and attire (e.g., “your pink jacket”), emphasizing the interplay of gender stereotypes and self-deprecating humor.

3. Toughening Up About Drink and Food Choices

• Recounting Old Debates (03:19–04:22)

  • Clay connects this incident to previous playful controversies—like ordering Brussels sprouts and $75 shots—in male social circles, poking fun at group expectations.
  • A VIP listener email gives Clay a pass, affirming:

    “The gals were just ribbing him because they find him lovably goofy. Don't need to get a double scotch neat to appear manly.” (13:46, Email from Dave)

• The Science of Beer and Masculinity (14:02–15:27)

  • Buck drops a fun fact:

    “Beer, which people think of as manly, gives you man boobs. Beer is estrogen increasing, unfortunately.” (14:32, Buck Sexton)

  • Clay follows up with questions about estrogen, hops, and possible marketing points for liquor companies versus beer.

4. Viral Dating Advice: Bill Ackman’s “May I Meet You”

• Modern Dating and Social Approaches (15:49–23:05)

  • Buck introduces Bill Ackman’s viral tweet on how to approach women: “May I meet you?”
    • Both hosts find the phrase awkward, with Clay arguing that fear of rejection and toxic masculinity narratives have paralyzed young men socially.
    • Clay’s advice:

      “I think humor in an unthreatening way is a good way to gauge the interest level of a girl… If she doesn’t have a sense of humor, you probably don’t want to be with her anyway.” (18:06, Clay Travis)

    • Buck adds:

      “Women, like bees, can smell fear…you got to have no fear because…that’s—are you co-signing?” (19:16, Buck Sexton)

    • Both reiterate the importance of overcoming rejection, using humor, and viewing dating like a salesperson learns from repeated “no’s.”

• Pickup Lines and Social Confidence (23:05–24:47)

  • Clay shares an effective icebreaker a friend once used:

    “Hey, I’m not the kind of guy to brag, but I have health insurance.”

  • Buck refers to the power of batting averages in both sales and dating, reinforcing resilience.

5. Listener Call-ins and Show Banter

• Pam from Alaska Checks In (11:43, 24:53)

  • Pam backs up Ali’s defense of Clay and later jokes:

    “If you start drinking the Whispering Angel while you’re watching the Hallmark Channel, that’s when we may have a problem.” (24:53, Pam from Alaska)

• Producer Ali’s “Firing” (11:02–12:22; 25:22–25:36)

  • Clay feigns firing Ali for her ribbing, but it’s clear she’s very much part of the show’s banter, underscoring the affectionate, tongue-in-cheek tone among the team.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Being Put on Blast for Rosé:

  “I felt as I was watching him, like the coach found out that I broke curfew or something. That’s like your dad sounds like he’s a coach and he’s just… not sad, he’s not mad, he’s just disappointed in the lack of discipline.”
  (06:48, Clay Travis)

• On Gendered Drink Choices:

  “Rose is like a step away from getting a wine cooler. You know, you might as well have ordered a Zima at the Patriot Award.”
  (12:52, Buck Sexton)

• On Modern Dating:

  “I think many young men have taken to heart the idea of toxic masculinity and approaching women is seen now as in their mind somewhat of an aggressive move. And so there’s less rejection involved when you just send someone a message on social media.”
  (17:31, Clay Travis)

• On Rejection and Confidence:

  “Women, like bees, can smell fear. You got to just go in there, not care…and obviously be polite. Just…have no fear…that’s a secret weapon.”
  (19:16, Buck Sexton)

• On the Hallmark Channel:

  “If you start drinking the Whispering Angel while you’re watching the Hallmark channel, that’s when we may have a problem.”
  (24:53, Pam from Alaska)

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Important Timestamps for Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:21 | Clay’s recounting of Fox hit and “Whispering Angel” scandal | | 05:55 | Kayleigh McEnany’s call-in and press plan reveal | | 07:10 | Mike McEnany’s commentary and reaction | | 10:36 | Producer Ali proposes “brose” concept | | 11:43 | Pam from Alaska and Producer Ali discuss the rosé | | 14:02 | Buck’s beer/estrogen science digression | | 15:49 | Bill Ackman’s viral “May I meet you” dating advice | | 23:05 | Icebreaker pickup lines and dating lessons | | 24:53 | Pam’s Hallmark Channel joke | | 25:22 | Producer Ali “firing” bit & team banter |

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Tone & Show Dynamics

• Lighthearted, self-effacing, and playful with constant ribbing between Clay, Buck, their guests, and producer Ali.
• Welcoming and interactive, with listener emails and call-ins.
• Mix of humorous pop culture banter and genuine advice on social commentary and masculinity.

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Summary Takeaway:
This episode exemplifies Clay and Buck’s signature camaraderie and blend of topical humor. The “rosé incident” serves as a springboard for broader discussions about masculinity, social norms, and the evolving rules of the modern dating scene—with both tongue-in-cheek and earnest advice thrown in. The atmosphere remains casual and relatable, making complex topics entertaining and accessible.

Transcript

[Producer Ali]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

The Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast starts now.

[Clay Travis]

All right, I'm gonna have to get ahead of this. It's already metastasizing and a negative way. I think to myself, you know what, what could go wrong if I did a Fox News hit on Saturday morning for our friend Kayleigh McEnany's new very successful Saturday morning Fox News show. And especially the case when I'm doing it with my good chum, Buck Sexton. So I sit down and as the hit is going on, this outrageous attack upon my character aired for millions of people. And now it's going to air for millions more.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Listen, Buck, when you come back, I'm going to tell you about what I caught Clay drinking. Whispering angel, a women's rose. I caught him drinking at the Patriot Awards. More on that next.

[Clay Travis]

Was a great collection of alcohol at the table.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

In my defense, a whispering angel for Clay Travis. Thank you guys.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just love that Kayleigh McEnany who is so delightful and wonderful throwing a little elbow into your ribs right before the. Right, right before you're basically cut off the mic there, buddy. You know, I know she, she hip checked. You know, what is it in the hockey when you hip check somebody and they go over the, the thing where on the side it was like that into the boards.

[Clay Travis]

You got into the boards of the boards. Yeah. And look, she just tweeted this as well. Sharing the video. I did not take at Clay Travis to be a whispering angel man at Buck Sexton looks stunned. Now. I, I'm not a wine guy. I have, I have on for years on this program pointed out and we always get angry emails whenever I say this. All of you buying your thousand dollar wine. No idea what you. If you have a couple of glasses of wine, you can't tell a thousand dollar wine from a $50 wine.

[Buck Sexton]

This is like Clay talking about classical music. The barbarians are winning. I don't know what to tell you.

[Clay Travis]

I at Julie Talbot's big induction into the hall of Fame, well deserved hall of Fame induction. There was a gentleman there who had a huge big bottle of wine and it was like a two thousand dollar bottle of wine jumbo thing. I had a glass and I said man, it tastes just like almost as good as the box wine I had back in the day. Now here's the deal. When this is at the Patriot Awards. The Patriot Awards, great event. Lasts like three hours. And when you sit down at the table, all they had was water and wine. And unlike Jesus, I can't turn water into wine. So I just decided that I was going to drink the wine and I took the bottle of wine, the Tommy Lahren sitting next to me, Kaylee McAdan is next to me, and I just poured myself a glass.

[Buck Sexton]

So you're sitting with two lovely, lovely blonde ladies and you decide to join in on their favorite beverage and have some chick wine right there. That's how this goes.

[Clay Travis]

I thought, why would I be mean to them and make a big fuss? Because there wasn't bourbon or there wasn't my beverage of choice. I, being the generous person that I am, also Emily Campagno, same table, Jesse Waters, Benny Johnson. And, and, and I thought, hey, I don't want to be the stuck up guy who's going to fight back against the rose. And you know what? It tasted pretty good, I'm not going to lie. But she took a photo of me and now she has attacked me on air. This reminds me of the Brussels sprouts debate when, remember when Jesse Kelly got furious at me for ordering brussels sprouts for, for thinking about everyone else my harm.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, he was trying to get back at you for order. Oh no, you were. Wait, no. Who ordered the 70? He ordered the $70 shots.

[Clay Travis]

He's the bad guy in all these things. My only flaw is that I care too much and that I'm just too kind when I'm sharing a table with people. I'm not picky. I'll drink your rose. I'll order brussels sprouts. I'll even let you order $75 shots.

[Buck Sexton]

I do think that there is a rule where you don't lose your man card if you're on a vacation to a warm place and you just want to try the froze. You know, it looks so inviting. It's like a slushy with booze in it. So if you're going to froze all day, I guess rose could be okay.

[Clay Travis]

I believe. Also I went with the, the lighter colored wine because I was afraid that I might spill spill it on myself too. Which for anybody out there who knows me, is probably a good move.

[Buck Sexton]

Kaylee McEnany is the host of Saturday in America with Kaylee McEnany. She's a former White House press secretary and she has a family with fantastic taste in radio because her dad listens to the show every day. So we're all going to Be on our best behavior. Clay's halo is still intact. Now, Kaylee, you're generally not one to court controversy, but you find yourself in the midst of some controversy as your dad, a beloved and appreciated listener, daily listener of this program, has weighed in on a range of facts, a range of things, including the Fireside Chat video you posted in which he has spoken about the Clay Whispering angel fiasco. I think at this point we just have to lean into it, Kaylee. And Clay and I have to ask for a Whispering angel endorsement or something because there's no escaping from the fact that when Clay had a whole bar to choose from at the Fox Patriot Awards, he went for Rose. Kaylee, he went for it.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

You noted that Clay had a halo on at the beginning of this. And indeed he has a halo, a whispering angel halo. I have a whole press rollout plan for Clay on this. And you know, I'm a former press secretary, so I'm good at press rollouts. And Jesse's team came to me and asked for the picture of Clay drinking Whispering Angel. I told Jesse watersteam, no, no, no, no, no. I've got a rollout plan for this. It's going to come out just at the right time. My dad was so disappointed, drinking bourbon by the campfire. I'm actually with my, with my brother in law right now, Michael Gilmartin. And he said, I cannot believe Clay Travis drinks Whispering Angel. And his girlfriend Donya said, yeah, it's pink. It's a woman's drink. He's drinking that. What is wrong with this man? But my dad has been your greatest defender, Clay. My dad's walking around the house going, clay wrote a book called Balls. That man is a real man. He's not a Whispering angel man. So you've got a great defender in Mike mc.

[Clay Travis]

I think we have the audio. For people who haven't heard it, here is Kaylee's fantastic. Dad, I'm sorry that I've disappointed him. I felt as I was watching him, like the coach found out that I broke curfew or something. That's like your dad sounds like he's got, he's a coach and he's just, he's not sad, he's not mad. He's just disappointed in the lack of discipline.

[Mike McEnany]

Listen, I've been reading Clay Travis's book Balls. I'm telling you guys, it is. First of all, it's a kind of an autobiography. But he's a great writer. He takes his facts all the way back and how sports, and how sports Became woke and how the kids young men really helped turn this thing around. And so did Alkick Clay and a few others that fought against, you know, ESPN and all these, these, these woke of the NBA and all that. It's amazing. The book is amazing.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I gotta ask you, what about him? Drinking, whispering Angel. Clay Travis drinks, whispering.

[Clay Travis]

Shocking.

[Mike McEnany]

Shocking. That's, that's a, that's just a. He had a bad night.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, he had a bad night. Like you missed too many free throws. I love it.

[Clay Travis]

I felt, I felt like he found out I missed curfew and I wasn't gonna be able to play in the first quarter of.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

Man, it was hilarious. My dad was a football coach.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, that's perfect.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

This man is your defender. So he's going to like hang out there to dry in the public. But behind the scenes he's like, you got to get both. Clay Travis is the best of the best. He's defending you. But I've got the picture. So this isn't going away. You got a former White House press secretary who's after you with a press plan. So watch out, Jim Acosta. Watch out, Clay Travis.

[Clay Travis]

I. He had a bad night is such a great immediate defense line that I, I'm glad your dad had my back. That's a good response. You as a press secretary have to say, you know what, he kind of took a little bit of the heat away with that immediate sentence. By the way. Last question for you. And I'm. I'm not pleased about the media campaign attacking my drinking character that is coming. Were you surprised by the mom Donnie Trump interaction in the White House or did you totally anticipate that based on your experience working with Trump in the White House?

[Kayleigh McEnany]

So I did not think it would be hostile. I did not think it would be like the Zelensky meeting. I was surprised at just how cordial it was. But then I sat back and I thought about it and I have watched this man, Donald Trump, play four dimensional chess constantly. He's not someone who can be flattered. You may think he's been flattered and you know he's praising someone because of that flattery. He always has a plan. So sit back, hang tight. I was surprised at how complimentary it was. But you just wait. You just wait. I noticed. I'll just say this. Mamdani was pressed on whether Trump said, I won't send federal troops to your city. Federal law enforcement, I should say. And he would not say that President Trump said that. So I think there might have been some harsher words behind the scenes. And you just wait. See Trump's next death move.

[Clay Travis]

Outstanding stuff, Kaylee McEnany. Buck, that does. You got all the details.

[Buck Sexton]

I was just going to say or debt. Dad is a great, great listener of the program and we very much appreciate it, Kaylee, and thank you for being here with us. Come back and hang out again soon, okay? We enjoy our Kaylee visits.

[Kayleigh McEnany]

I'd love it. And Clay, you go get a nice mid afternoon cocktail. Rose is a great one. So go enjoy.

[Buck Sexton]

Frozen. Frozen.

[Clay Travis]

I might go froze. I'm gonna be down at the beach this weekend for Thanksgiving. I might just start walking around with pink drinks. Frozen all the time. Kaylee McEnany has a great show and evidently has incriminating photos of me consuming very feminine alcohol. So I've got to be nice to her. Although it sounds like the campaign's rolling out no matter what. Sunday sizzle with Clay and Buck.

[Buck Sexton]

Pia has a thought for Clay.

[Producer Ali]

So you guys are great entrepreneurs and you have Crockett coffee. I think Clay should just run with this and come up with a rose wine to sell. But just call it brose and then it's cool for guys to drink it, I think. Sounds delicious.

[Buck Sexton]

Is there already a Brose? Because it feels like this must be an idea somebody's already had.

[Clay Travis]

That's a great idea. First of all, I have no idea. You can look it up. I will just point out that producer Ali texted me, in fairness, it's not just a women's rose, it's a gay man's rose, too. And I think she was doing it to try to make me feel better, but she has been fired. And so as much as we loved producer Ali's work on the show, she is now gone. The reactions are really, really funny that as producer Ali there. Do you want to explain that you were not trying to insult me when you said, in fairness, it's not just a women's rose, it's a gay man's rose, too. Yeah. I was coming to your defense.

[Pam from Alaska]

I was coming to your defense. All my guy friends, a lot of them who happen to be gay, love Whispering angel. They bring it to all the dinner parties.

[Clay Travis]

But do you think most heterosexual men are like, hey, you know what? All the gay men love the thing that you did. I don't know that most heterosexual men are like, oh, that, that. That cleanses the attacks on my masculinity that were levied so scurrilously by. Great word there. Scurrilous, by the way, by Kayleigh McEnany. So a lot of rolling in there.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, I was. Ali, thank you for. For joining with us there for a second.

[Pam from Alaska]

Do I still have my job?

[Buck Sexton]

I was going to say I was.

[Clay Travis]

Worried that people would be worried that.

[Buck Sexton]

That Clay had instantaneously done it. Done a firing here, but. No, of course, of course not. Of course not. Whispering Angel Rose is owned by massive conglomerate LVMH Now, I think. I did not know that.

[Clay Travis]

So they own everything. Very corporate, by the way.

[Pam from Alaska]

Yes, good Rose.

[Buck Sexton]

But really the issue is it's not that it was Whispering Angel Rose, it's that it was Rose. My man. You know, you went rose. I think that's alone.

[Clay Travis]

That's a.

[Buck Sexton]

Rose is like a step away from getting a wine cooler. You know, you might as well have ordered a Zima at the Patriot Award.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think I'm even knowledgeable enough to know enough about wine to realize the faux pas that I was making. I will say that Kaylee said we should drink this one because it won't stain like your teeth. You can't have like a dark red wine and show up and, you know, be doing a public event with wine stained teeth. And so I thought that I was making a good decision there. She led me over the middle, much like happened here.

[Pam from Alaska]

Well, and with your jacket. And you spill the wine. Nobody will know. With your pink jacket.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that was a sartorial snub. Yeah. She's lighting you up now.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, no.

[Buck Sexton]

With your fake firing. I think. I think whatever alley producer alley throws your way today. You. You've asked for the incoming, so we got to leave it there.

[Clay Travis]

VIP email from Dave. I give Clay a pass on the line. The gals were just ribbing him because they find him lovably goofy. Don't need to get a double scotch neat to appear manly. That's exactly right. There was no.

[Buck Sexton]

This is like you're he. Clay's a black coffee drinker and I. Okay, I'll drink black coffee too, but I don't understand why, like, it's. If it's good enough for Italy, it's good enough for me to have a cappuccino in the morning sometimes. Like, what's the problem with this? Some people, you drink what you want to drink, is my point. There's not really a. I'm going to tell you something else. Beer, which people think of as manly, gives you man boobs. Guys, real science there. True story. Beer gives you man boobs. Beer is estrogen increasing, unfortunately.

[Clay Travis]

So I. I've heard that Is liquor too or just beer?

[Buck Sexton]

I think beer in particular, but I need to. I need to go to the grok on that one.

[Clay Travis]

Is it the hops that make it like estrogen related? Like higher levels? Let me see.

[Buck Sexton]

Why? I'll find out. You just talk for a second.

[Clay Travis]

I will continue to talk. As buck research specifically raises your estrogen.

[Buck Sexton]

Levels, I'm trying to find out why. Which even men, by the way. Men have estrogen too. Beer increases estrogen due to phytoestrogen content from hops and barley. Yes, it's specific. So this is real. It's specific to the. The molecular basis of the beer itself. So yeah, you're drinking the anti testosterone when you're drinking beer. Couldn't have explained that to people with the Budweiser horses running back in the 90s. True story though, folks. True story.

[Clay Travis]

I actually think that's the best argument that a liquor company could make. Beer is drinking estrogen. And assuming that liquor doesn't have the same levels of estrogen. I don't know what the data is, but I've seen that storyline before as. As everybody is. Is breaking that out.

[Buck Sexton]

Speaking of estrogen, can I. Can I throw something else out in the mix for us for your conversation here about something?

[Clay Travis]

I just.

[Buck Sexton]

Did you see Bill Ackman's advice on dating? This has gone super viral. I'm very curious. We'll get to some more of this tomorrow. Clay's going to be out. Super secret mission, Clay. But Bill Ackman told young men who he. You know what? I think I actually can find the tweet really quickly, Bill. I hear hear. I've got it. Here we go. I hear from many young men that find it is difficult to meet young women in a public setting. This is billionaire investor guy, Bill Ackman. In other words, the online culture has destroyed the ability to spontaneously meet strangers. As though as such, I thought I would share a few words that I used in my youth to meet someone that I found compelling. I would ask, quote, may I meet you before engaging in further conversation? Inevitably enabled the opportunity for a further conversation. A lot of really interesting people, Clay. The Internet has been ruthless.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

With Mr. Ackman's May I meet you advice. Is this surprising to you at all?

[Clay Travis]

It doesn't surprise me that the Internet has destroyed a rich billionaire who shared his social cues online. And they were quite a lot different than maybe most. I think if you're a billionaire, I.

[Buck Sexton]

Think you can walk up to somebody and be like, I like you. And that's it. You know, I think you're good.

[Clay Travis]

Well, the girls probably know a lot of the billionaires that are rolling around in rooms. I do think this question though is one that is, that is something a lot of young men are talking about and I know young women complain about it, that they're not getting approached like would have happened in the past. And I think it's because young men, so this is my big thesis on this, you guys can tell me if I'm wrong. I think many young men have taken to heart the idea of toxic masculinity and approaching women is seen now as in their mind somewhat of an aggressive move. And so there's less rejection involved when you just send somebody a message on social media. And so I think it's just indicative of a decline in overall face to face interaction. And face to face interaction brings with it the possibility of rejection, which is really, really hard to accept. And I think guys are afraid that not only are they going to get rejected that they're going to get made fun of. I mean trying to approach a group of girls if you are a guy is insanely difficult because you, as you're going to go approach, you think, oh, if she shoots me down, all of the other girls are going to, you know, they're, they're going to be making fun of the attempt that I have made. May I meet you is a really, really ridiculous, I think opening line. I would suggest if young men are out there, I don't know, you were on the, the bar scene a lot longer than me. I think humor in an unthreatening way is a good way to gauge the interest level of a girl. If she doesn't have a sense of humor, I'm just going to say you probably don't want to be with her anyway. Like that seems miserable to me. And so, but if you go in with a sort of light hearted entry point, it isn't aggressive like over the top. Does that make sense to all the.

[Buck Sexton]

Single guys out there? Let me tell you one thing. Women like bees, can smell fear. And so when you go up to them, the most important thing is that your attitude is that you were effectively on a kamikaze mission. My friends, this is all about the story you're going to tell afterwards about how slapped down you got, how, how mocked you were or whatever. You got to just go in there, not care. I'm not saying try for that to happen and obviously be polite and be nice, but I just mean you got to have no fear because they, that's you Are you, are you co signing?

[Clay Travis]

You're 100% right. I mean the way I think about it is like bet being a batter in a baseball game most of the time even great hitters swing and make no contact. Like if you are constantly obsessed with the fact that you're, you know, probably walk unless you're, you know, Matthew McConaughey or Tom Cruise. I mean some of you are, you know, incredibly rich and incredibly good looking. And I'm sure everybody listening right now and certainly this is always funny. Everybody on the Internet is always incredibly good looking. You know you, somebody's got a pretty girl picture and they're like, she's not that good looking. It's like she's pretty like Sydney Sweeney, she's not that good looking. She's pretty.

[Buck Sexton]

Sweeney, she's mid. They say she's mid.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, I guess if you're into you know, really good looking 25 year olds. But, but I could do better. I think you just have to think of it as, as basically you're a batter up to and you're going to swing and miss a bunch and you might file one off and it happens.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what you just. If you're fearless, it's fine. If you're fearless, guys, it's fine. Also the same way you should go into interviews, you always for a job, I mean now you always want to go into the interview. Like if I get it, I don't get it. You know what, I'll figure it out. I'm going to put, I'm going to do my thing, I'm going to be who I am. Nervousness, anxiety, fear, always unappealing. So just let it and by this is why I'll tell you the like pickup artist books that used to come out back in the 90s, there are a bunch of that were very famous. A lot of it what they're a lot of what they teach guys to do. And let me say there's a lot of, there's a lot of bad stuff about being, you know, very philandering with the women and everything. But put that aside. They just want you to go up. They tell you just go up. And if you're not talking to 50 women a day or something and it's not because you're going to get 50 phone numbers. The idea is to desensitize you to rejection. Because once you're desensitized to rejection, you no longer have fear. And once you no longer have fear, when you approach someone, their energy reflecting off of you is going to Be like, wow, this guy's just coming up and talking to me. Whereas if you go up and you're like, excuse me, goddess who is far out of my league, that's not going to work for you, even if she is. And by the way, I have, you know, I mean, I have made that movie for her. Look at who I'm married to. Sometimes you got to take a swing for the fences.

[Clay Travis]

I think also it's a lot like sales. You know, the reason why people who do sales are successful in life is because they're willing to get rejected. Most people hide and they fear failure more than they crave success. And I think that applies there too. I will say Bill Ackman's may I meet you line is so incredibly awkward. I bet a bunch of guys are sliding in DMs.

[Buck Sexton]

It's everywhere now. And it's become a perfect. Yes, it has actually become a perfect pickup line because now everyone gets to be in on the joke.

[Clay Travis]

It's.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, Bill Ackman is being very. He's having a very good sense of humor about it. He's playing the whole thing very well too. But it is. It is quite funny. The whole thing is really become very, very amusing. But people do lack that icebreaker initial skill. And once you get. Once you get good on that, it is a.

[Clay Travis]

It is a secret weapon. Did you have a go to line at a bar that you would try just to break the ice? Did you have something that you found was. Now that you're married, is there a. Is there a tip? Did you have a line? It was.

[Buck Sexton]

I. I was always very. I was always very situational. So I would just sort of find something. I usually would comment on something in the environment that was going on in a funny way. And first sort of just get that.

[Clay Travis]

You know, because we talk for a living. So we don't have. A lot of men cannot communicate very well as many women out there are nodding along. At least we talk for a living. I had a buddy who had really good success. He's married now. I'll give it out. He would go up to girls and he would say, hey, I'm not the kind of guy to brag, but I have health insurance. And that was a pretty good ice breaking line because it's a ridiculous thing to say, but it also is kind of like it worked really well.

[Buck Sexton]

Did he wear cargo shorts with new balance sneakers when he pulled that line? Because that a dad line right there.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's a great line. I think that you can Go with your credit score, you know, or, or brag about your mortgage. Mortgage interest rate. Like I think these are, these are things that, that work well for the, the, the girls. Once you get. A lot of women have no idea what life costs until they're like 24. So if you're talking to an 18 year old, they got no idea. Once you get to be like 24, they start to recognize, wait, it's really expensive to live in a good neighborhood. And rent starts to add up once, once you're out in the real world. Hey, health insurance. That's a, it's a line that gets the girls attention in a heartbeat, just like Prize picks does. You could also just go up and say, hey, not to brag, but I'm really good at price picks and trust me, there's nothing girls love more than when guys talk about sports with them.

[Buck Sexton]

Out of nowhere, Pam from Alaska listens up on Ken. I did. She's got some thoughts for you.

[Pam from Alaska]

Hey, Clay, I think if you start drinking the Whispering angel while you're watching the Hallmark channel, that's when we may have a problem.

[Buck Sexton]

What if it's a really good thespian showing?

[Clay Travis]

I'm sorry that I'm just really connected to many of the love stories that the Hallmark Channel brings to bear on a day to day basis. In fact, they have filmed many of these in the town that I lived in. Franklin, Tennessee, ee, North Carolina.

[Buck Sexton]

Called in with a talk back. Hit it.

[Producer Ali]

Hey, Clay and Buck. Is Allie really gone from the show or is Clay pulling our leg once again?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, he's definitely pulling. Allie's not allowed to. Not only she's not fired, she's not allowed to leave. Like that's not it. That's not even a thing.

[Clay Travis]

How big of a jerk would I have to be to actually fire someone live on the air? I mean, after four and a half years, I might not be perfect, but I think most people would say that doesn't really seem like Clay. But again, in fairness, it's not just a women's rose. It's a gay man's too. Is not necessarily the way to win. Win my heart back. That's producer Ali on the scurrilous attack of Kayleigh McEnany.

[Producer Ali]

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