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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
Turn tone policing. Yeah, women are really good.
Buck Sexton
I don't like your tone. It's number one go to do men really ever get to play that I don't like your tone angle? I feel like women have just totally co opted that line of attack. In all arguments, men never really get to play the tone. Women are really good at the tone argument.
Clay Travis
But I do know because also if you, if you put your hands on your hips and you cock your head to the side and say I don't like your tone like that, you automatically win the argument, apparently. But I think it's tough for guys to do the hands on the hips routine and be taken seriously.
Buck Sexton
I'm curious, are there any men out there that have won successfully by telling their wives that they don't like their tone? Or girlfriend, I will say you can reach out to us. I would love to hear about your.
Clay Travis
What would you do if somebody told you, Clay? Theoretically. Theoretically, you know, you're yelling and you're like, but I'm not. How do you deal with that one?
Buck Sexton
First of all, I've heard that this is a common, common deployed argument tactic. I've heard two friends, sources, sources have told me before, don't raise your voice.
Clay Travis
When you're talking like this. I'm like, that's just how I talk. I do a radio show.
Buck Sexton
Well, you and I, I think, are somewhat disadvantaged because we do have booming voices. My oldest son, my oldest son also has a voice like me. And the other my wife has complained about, like, I'm on the phone and you can hear me throughout the whole house. And I just think that I'm talking normally. Like, voice does tend to carry. I don't whisper well. So I do think there's some element of success in probably going after us for tone and also loudness, because we do. We are kind of loud. But I would love to hear from men who have successfully flipped the script. I've never done it. Maybe somebody has pulled it off. Maybe you're like the, I don't know, the Hail Mary, the Doug Flutie of tone arguments, like you've somehow hit a Hail Mary go in the opposite direction. I don't know. Now, the reason I bring this all up is I do Think when you look at the way that you handle yourself, if you just say calm and measured while someone else is screaming at you, even if they otherwise have some legitimate arguments to make, a lot of people don't go into the particulars of the argument. They just analyze the body language and also just the body chemistry of those interactions. And I think they have overwhelmingly favored the nominees in terms of how they've handled it.
Clay Travis
And you know what works really well, I find when you're arguing with a female who is your girlfriend, wife, any of the above, just tell her really definitively calm down.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, calm down, calm down, calm down. If anyone, that's a winner. If anyone has successfully flipped the tone into a calm down argument, win. Then that goes, that goes really well. Uh, let's have some fun here. By the way, Joy Behar, who I have Buck, tell me if you agree with this on my power rankings of stupidity on the View, number one with a bullet. And like, there's nobody even close to her now. Sunny Hostin, by far the dumbest person on the View. And I mean, I don't even think there's a close second to be fair.
Clay Travis
Wait, wait, you, you think, you think that Joy Behar would beat Sonny Hostin in like a general knowledge or IQ test?
Buck Sexton
I think that she would beat her in a reasonableness test, which is really like my, my measure. I'm not saying Joy Behar is a better speller than Sunny Hostin or that she knows more state capitals. By the way, I humiliated myself yesterday, Buck. I didn't know what the capital of Missouri was. Do you know what the capital of Missouri is without looking it up? Don't look down at your notes.
Clay Travis
I'm not, I, you could, you could see my fingers.
Buck Sexton
I just put you on. I got put on the spot over this because, because my fourth grader, we were talking about it. Do you know the capital of Missouri?
Clay Travis
I mean, I, I, I'm just going to go with good old St. Louis. I, I, I could be wrong.
Buck Sexton
Not a bad guess. I said Columbia, Missouri, which is where the University of Missouri is. I thought that was the capital. Does anybody in studio without looking it up, Ali producers, anybody else know the capital of Missouri? This is like a fourth or fifth grade staple of knowledge. I was out to lunch and I wouldn't have gotten it booked. You could have given me, like a lot of guesses. It is. Does the team know Springfield is the guess? That's Illinois. That's close. Look, it is Jefferson City.
Clay Travis
Oh, no.
Buck Sexton
Would you have ever gotten, I mean.
Clay Travis
I'm smoked on that. I wouldn't have gotten that since I had to memorize them in the fifth grade or whatever.
Buck Sexton
I. Yeah, I apologize.
Clay Travis
I'm gonna tell you right now, I think I could nail like, you know, Montana, Helena, like New York, obviously all but like I go through all these days, I'd be pretty good, you know, I'd even get some of the, some, the funky ones.
Buck Sexton
What about Kentucky?
Clay Travis
Capital of Kentucky. Man, Clay, this is brutal.
Buck Sexton
There are some that. I know this. Cause it's a border state with mine, so I. Well, so is Missouri. I should have gotten that. But I, I knew this back in the day. Do you know the capital of Kentucky?
Clay Travis
I don't.
Buck Sexton
It should be. Sorry to apologize to Kentucky. Nice win. You swamped my Tennessee Volunteers yesterday. It should be Louisville or Lexington, both very fine cities. In fact, Lexington's fabulous Buck Frankfurt, Kentucky. Like, did you even know? Like, yeah, again. So I'm not sure who would win a state capital battle between Sunny Hostin and between Joy Behar.
Clay Travis
I'm not going to throw any stones on that right now. I got to tell you, we might get lit up state capitals in a very long time.
Buck Sexton
I had neither. I got lit up for saying the capital of Missouri was Columbia. I just, I totally thought, I know the capital of South Carolina's Columbia. I thought both of them were Columbia's. I totally with there. I understand if you can't trust us anymore. Here is Joy Behar, who may be better at state capitals than us, but is almost certainly dumber in many other respects, saying Caroline Levitt, new White House press secretary, only got her job because she's good looking.
Clay Travis
Listen, she's probably been put in there because according to Donald trump, she's a 10. You know, that's what it is.
Buck Sexton
I mean, that is pretty. That's a pretty nasty attack the day after you do your job. On the one hand, it's a compliment. She's pretty, she's good looking. Buck, you know this. You dated in New York for a long time. There are a lot of very pretty morons. And, and just being attractive.
Clay Travis
You, I can confirm without going into any, any detail beyond that. Yes. But I can also tell you, first of all, the irony of being on a TV set where there are women whose appearance is in some cases definitely a huge factor in why they have the jobs.
Buck Sexton
Massive job reason. They have that job. Correct.
Clay Travis
You know, and, and especially the younger ones at that table. It is, it is disproportionately their looks that have gotten them there in the.
Buck Sexton
First place, if Sonny Hostin Buck had the exact same talent. I'm gonna put myself. I won't, I won't throw you under the bus here. I'll just say it. If Sunny Hostin weighed 250 pounds on the view and had every other characteristic the exact same about herself, she would have no media career at all. She would not make a single dollar in media. If she weighed 250 pounds and had every other exact same characteristic. My point, when you're on television, cosmetics is a part of it. But the day after Caroline Levitt dominates the media for Joy. For Joy Behar to say, oh, the only reason she has her job is because Donald Trump thinks she's good looking is super insulting.
Clay Travis
Well, she's also really good at, she's also obviously very good at her job and very adept at what she's doing. So it's just clearly not true. You know, Fox News, for example, has had a long string of women who have been on air who are very, just very good looking and very capable. Right? These two things go together. We're in a competitive world and the TV world is particularly competitive. And having those two characteristics is pretty much a requisite for being a TV anchor. You got two radio guys here, I'm just telling you.
Buck Sexton
I was just going to say, I don't want to brag on us too much. We're actually good looking for radio guys. Now, the standard, to be fair, for radio guys is very low. I told Buck this, he's been in a couple of press boxes. Sports writers are some of the ugliest, fattest, least attractive people on the planet. You walk through a press box like the super bowl press box when it's going to be being played next weekend. It looks like the bar scene in Star Wars. There's a lot of freaking ugly dudes in there, a lot of fat people, a lot of guys who look like they haven't, you know, walked a mile in 10 years. The standard for media jobs is not necessarily always super attractive. Radio guys. You walk through radio row, where I'll be next week, there are a lot of, really a lot of guys who have not been out in the sun in 25 years. It's interesting because they talk about sports, but most of them could not actually jog a mile. That is the general reality. But Caroline Levitt dominated yesterday. She ran for Congress and almost won in New Hampshire. Having to go into all those different town halls. Everything else, it's a sign of how successful she was that after day one, the attack is oh, she's only there because she's good looking.
Clay Travis
Well, and they would, if she were a Democrat, they would say, isn't she so amazing? And she'd be on the COVID of Vogue in a couple of months. I mean, so we all know that this is just, it's just bitterness coming from political, political disagreement. But I also am excited to see the shakeups that will be coming to that White House press room. You might be seeing some of you out there, a couple of your favorite radio hosts at some point, making an appearance there, you know, just to sort of shake things up a little bit.
Buck Sexton
That would be fun. Have you been in the White House press briefing room ever for a briefing at all?
Clay Travis
Not for a briefing, no. I've only ever been.
Buck Sexton
It's actually a very small room as many television rooms appear bigger on television. There's not a lot of space in there. But I've never actually watched a press briefing. I think that would be fun.
Clay Travis
Yeah, I mean, fun might be over.
Buck Sexton
Oh, Buck, I'm doing, I would do. What I'm doing is if you told me right now I could do any job for one day. I think being White House press secretary and getting to field every question and answer to that would be awesome.
Clay Travis
Yeah, that would be fun. I just mean being one of the.
Buck Sexton
You know, 80 people screaming to try.
Clay Travis
To get people there, like me, me, me, me, me, trying to ask a question. I don't like that.
Buck Sexton
Press conferences in general, I've been in a lot of them for sports. And if you think the White House press briefing is bad, imagine the people had half the iq. That's what a sports press briefing is like.
Clay Travis
I always thought it was weird also, when I have been, I spent a fair amount of time on Capitol Hill and you, the, the, the gaggle that will follow around some senator or something as they're walking. When you're actually there, you're like, it's like, it's like kids chasing the teacher. Like, can I get extra credit? Like, it's not, it's very weird.
Buck Sexton
It's a very kind of undignified.
Clay Travis
It's kind of undignified when you're there. I'm just telling you the truth. It's not cool.
Buck Sexton
Sunday hang with Clay and Buck.
Clay Travis
Clay, you got to stop saying we're looking for radio guys. People are testing out this theory. They're like, I don' there's, you know.
Buck Sexton
There'S a good looking podcast. Let me just put it out there this way. Who is infinitely better looking than us? Like, you put A side by side. And there's no doubt that is on radio. Now some TV guys are on radio. That's cheating. I'm talking about. They are radio guys. There's not very many good looking radio guys. Again, I'm not saying we're great looking. I'm saying by the standard of radio guy, we're good looking for radio guys.
Clay Travis
Fair enough. Well, Cece, this is from Toledo. A listener there is throwing some shade at us in Toledo, Ohio. Play it. Clearly the good look part of this must be why you two are on the radio of the show.
Buck Sexton
First of all, it's a dude like his. Like, he decided as a dude that he needed to weigh on. Weigh in on whether we're good looking or not for radio guys. Like, when it was Cece and Toledo, I thought we were gonna get lit up by a chicken. Not a dude who's like, you guys aren't good looking enough.
Clay Travis
Well, no, that was just. That was just the code for the. To call it. On the call. She.
Buck Sexton
His name is.
Clay Travis
He didn't get. He didn't give us a name. I mean, look, we're no Bill Mallus over here. We just say that.
Buck Sexton
But I'm clearly not even trying to argue that. If Mallusion had a radio show, he would be off the charts hot for radio guy.
Clay Travis
Clay would insist that Mallusion do it without his shirt on. Sometimes on the radio show, he should.
Buck Sexton
Mallusion should do the whole show in a bathing suit. I think you should report from the border in a bathing suit. Good guy.
Clay Travis
You realize what the AI is going to look like now for the next 24 hours? Clay, do you realize what you have done?
Buck Sexton
Well, you never know when Belugian might need to strip down and go save somebody in the Rio Grande. He should be in a bathing suit at all times. Shirtless in a bathing suit. Do you remember, by the way, when they put our friends Will Kane and Pete Hegseth? They did, like, because they're super macho, like, badass guys. Like, they swam from like the Statue of Liberty back to. Back to the. The. The Manhattan.
Clay Travis
Yeah.
Buck Sexton
And they did a whole. They did their whole morning show shirtless with microphones. And I just remember all the memes and everything else. And then Hegseth, when he got nominated for defense secretary, a lot of the stuff people were attacking him. They're like, why do we need somebody this disrespectful? And then a lot of women were like, I. I mean, this is the best looking secretary of defense of all time. So anyway, never know. When Malujian might need to save someone. I don't think it's a bad move to have a bathing suit be ready. I think he'd probably be a great lifeguard too. Really good looking radio guy. Great savior in the. In the water.
Clay Travis
I'm gonna get us back on track here with the RFK hearings in a moment. And we are not going to talk about RFK's abs. Clay off the table.
Buck Sexton
RFK shirtless, good looking guy. Better looking than us shirtless, I'll tell you that. Sundays with Clay and Buck. Get on Crockett Coffee.com right now. Crockett Coffee.com incredible offer. Use code book. You'll get the best coffee anywhere in America. Our thanks. What did your. What did we find out? Texas number one market for Crockett coffee. Not a huge surprise. Davy Crockett, kind of a big deal in Texas. Got to catch up. Tennessee, Florida, California, they outnumber.
Clay Travis
They outnumber the Tennessee. And I think Tennesseans passion for Davy Crockett might, might match that of our Texans. But there's a lot more Texans.
Buck Sexton
There are a lot more Texans. We're coming up on what, 25 million Texans? Ish. So about four times as many Texans as Tennesseans. Although to be fair, Texas would not exist without the volunteers from Tennessee, including Davy Crockett. But if you are a history nerd like me, it's true. If you are a history nerd like me, you know that. You know that the battle of San Jacinto won by former Tennessee and Sam Houston was instrumental to Texan independence. And it came right after the Alamo. And they yelled remember the Alamo. As they whipped the Mexicans.
Clay Travis
All this. There's going to be some. There's going to be some Texans making Alamo clay flute playing memes now. It's definitely happening.
Buck Sexton
Well, I that why the Alamo would be a tough one alongside of Santa Ana. Fun fact on Santa Ana, Buck. He lost a leg in a battle and would go visit his leg which was put in like pure like whatever you would preservative I guess back in the day because he missed his leg. Kind of a weird dude. Santa Ana like formaldehyde.
Clay Travis
What do you put your leg in back in the day?
Buck Sexton
That's a great question. I don't know. In the 1830s what would they have put the leg in to not allow it to completely disintegrate or whatever. He had his leg amputated and would visit it probably for maldehyde. That's like the guy. Lord Stanley, I think. Wasn't it Stanley who they pickled and put into the barrel after he died on the ship and then brought him back to England so they could bury him? I got a lot of esoteric formaldehyde.
Clay Travis
Was discovered in 1859 by Russian chemist Alexander Mikhailovich Butlerov.
Buck Sexton
So it had to be something before formaldehyde. Maybe it was just alcohol. I don't know what they put it in. But if you love American history, indeed, if you think that America is a great country, you need to be signing up for Crockett Coffee. Use code book right now. And you will get an autographed copy of my book. I signed a hundred of them yesterday. I'm doing that pretty much every day they're going out. My assistant Katie is sending them out every single day. Sunday drop with Clay and Buck. Have one. Vip. Yes, this is a history nerd. Vip. I want to give credit to. To our buddy who wrote this in and said vip. Scott probably did not expect to hear about bodies getting pickled in the 1800s on the program today. But Scott said, and I don't know, I don't remember the tape, I think I got this right. But he said Admiral Nelson was killed at the Battle of Trafalgar. His remains were put into a cask of rumors to preserve it for proper burial in England. The cask was put into the general hold. The sailors tapped into the cask to drink the rum. Henceforth, the rum was named Nelson's blood. I.
Clay Travis
That's the most British thing I've ever heard. The famous admiral in a cask of rum, and then the sailors drink it. I mean, can we just. The British guys listening, like, oh, yeah, that's really British, you know, like, they're not going to deny that.
Buck Sexton
And. And now one of the most famous places in London is Trafalgar Square. Some of you may have visited there. They have the statue of Admiral Nelson in the center of Trafalgar Square. And I think I connected him to Santa Ana, who it must be rum or something that his leg was preserved in that he would go visit after his leg was amputated. So there you go. Bunch of knowledge there. But the VIPs, this is a great example. A lot of history nerds in this audience. Buck. Whatever you or I talk about, immediately people react to it and deluge us. Even when it's something super specific like that, which probably, to be fair, is not something super widely known.
Clay Travis
The good news is that all of you will never let us get away with saying a single historically Inaccurate thing on this show ever.
Buck Sexton
It's true.
Clay Travis
We don't have to worry about a real time fact checker because all of you, one of you will be like, excuse me, you said 1799 and you actually meant 1798. Because. And fill in the blank. And you say to yourself, wow, you guys do a lot of reading and you listen very closely, which we appreciate.
Buck Sexton
So as we well know, because I can't pronounce anything correctly, and trust me, every time I mispronounce any word, I get emails about it, I'm just going.
Clay Travis
To keep on throwing a wad of cash in your direction as we talk about Cash Patel's hearing tomorrow. Cash. Like money cash. All right, we're going to get that one. That one's easy.
Buck Sexton
You keep going.
Clay Travis
Kosh.
Buck Sexton
Well, I think that's actually the way it should be pronounced. Not to call it.
Clay Travis
Look at this.
Buck Sexton
Look at this culturally sensitive Clay. I think in the. I mean, we got Indian community out there listening. I think it's actually Kash Patel, and he has pronounced it Cash because it is a cooler kind of name. But K A, S H, I think traditionally in the Indian community would actually be Kosh. I've got, for instance, a really good law school friend named Akash, and I think that that's the way it would actually be pronounced. Now, is Cash a cooler way to pronounce it? Probably, but that would be spelled C A S H as in Cash Kash. Eventually, maybe I'll get it right. Maybe when he gets confirmed, we'll have him on. I will ask him if he thought that that pronunciation was cooler and that's how it came to be.
Clay Travis
I mean, it's good to know that if Senator Travis were up there on Capitol Hill, he would give Cash a long exposition on the various ways that he could choose as a member of the South Asian diaspora into America and as an American to pronounce his name.
Buck Sexton
How about me maybe knowing the way that the South Asian community would actually pronounce that? I think I deserve credit given that I miss pronounce everything. I actually think I'm pronouncing that one correctly. And he's changed the pronunciation, Clay.
Clay Travis
Getting a lot of high fives from our Indian American listeners. So thank you so much for that.
Detailed Summary of "Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck" – March 2, 2025
Podcast Information:
The episode opens with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delving into the dynamics of tone policing within arguments between men and women. They discuss how phrases like "I don't like your tone" have been predominantly co-opted by women in disputes.
Clay Travis [00:25]: "Turn tone policing. Yeah, women are really good."
Buck Sexton [00:29]: "I don't like your tone. It's number one go to do men really ever get to play that I don't like your tone angle? I feel like women have just totally co-opted that line of attack."
Buck expresses skepticism about men effectively using the "I don't like your tone" strategy, suggesting that women have mastered this tactic to an extent where men rarely get the opportunity to employ it successfully.
Buck further questions whether any men have managed to use this strategy to win arguments, inviting listeners to share their experiences.
They explore the effectiveness of maintaining a calm demeanor versus reacting emotionally during disputes. Clay suggests that simply telling a partner to "calm down" can often be a winning tactic.
Buck adds that handling oneself with calmness can lead to more substantive discussions, rather than getting bogged down by emotional reactions.
Transitioning from relationship dynamics, Clay and Buck shift focus to popular media, specifically ranking the intelligence of "The View" cast members.
Buck controversially labels Joy Behar and Sunny Hostin as less intelligent, though he clarifies his criteria are based on "reasonableness" rather than traditional measures like spelling or knowledge of state capitals.
The discussion culminates in a humorous exchange about their own knowledge of state capitals, showcasing their camaraderie and light-hearted banter.
Clay and Buck engage in a playful challenge to test their knowledge of U.S. state capitals, revealing gaps in their memory.
Buck Sexton [04:08]: "Do you know what the capital of Missouri is without looking it up? Don't look down at your notes."
Clay Travis [04:17]: "I mean, I, I, I'm just going to go with good old St. Louis. I, I could be wrong."
Buck answers "Columbia, Missouri," only to be corrected by Clay and the hosts acknowledge the correct answer is "Jefferson City."
They continue with the challenge, failing to recall the capital of Kentucky, which is "Frankfort," and humorously discuss the implications of their forgetfulness.
The conversation shifts to media professionals, focusing on Caroline Levitt, the new White House Press Secretary. Buck criticizes Joy Behar's comment suggesting Levitt secured her position solely due to her looks.
Buck Sexton [06:00]: "Caroline Levitt, new White House press secretary, only got her job because she's good looking."
Clay Travis [06:34]: "She's probably been put in there because according to Donald Trump, she's a 10. You know, that's what it is."
They debate the intersection of appearance and capability in media roles, acknowledging that while physical attractiveness can aid in securing media positions, it’s not the sole factor.
Buck humorously contrasts radio hosts with TV personalities, suggesting that radio hosts are generally less concerned with looks.
Clay and Buck muse about the possibility of radio hosts transitioning into high-profile roles such as White House Press Secretary, injecting humor and light-hearted speculation.
Buck Sexton [10:02]: "I think when you look at the way that you handle yourself, if you just say calm and measured while someone else is screaming at you...a lot of people don't go into the particulars of the argument."
Clay Travis [10:30]: "That would be fun. Have you been in the White House press briefing room ever for a briefing at all?"
They joke about the challenges and chaos of press briefings, comparing them unfavorably to sports press conferences.
The hosts promote Crockett Coffee, highlighting its popularity in Texas and linking it to American historical figures like Davy Crockett. They segue into sharing obscure historical facts, showcasing their penchant for American history.
Buck Sexton [14:28]: "If you love American history, indeed, if you think that America is a great country, you need to be signing up for Crockett Coffee."
Clay Travis [15:12]: Discusses the historical significance of Texas and Tennessee in American independence, referencing the Battle of San Jacinto and the Alamo.
They delve into the preservation methods of historical figures, mentioning Admiral Nelson's remains and the improvised preservation techniques of the 1800s.
Buck Sexton [16:24]: "He had his leg amputated and would visit it probably for maldehyde."
Clay Travis [16:51]: "Was discovered in 1859 by Russian chemist Alexander Mikhailovich Butlerov."
This segment underscores their deep interest in history, despite occasional inaccuracies.
A listener from Toledo, Ohio, criticizes the hosts’ physical appearance compared to typical radio hosts, prompting a humorous defense of their looks.
Clay and Buck humorously discuss the pronunciation of Kash Patel's name, reflecting on cultural sensitivity and the challenges of accurate pronunciation.
Clay Travis [19:51]: "Cash. Like money cash. Alright, we're going to get that one."
Buck Sexton [19:52]: "Look at this culturally sensitive Clay. I think in the... is Kash Patel, and he has pronounced it Cash because it is a cooler kind of name."
They acknowledge the importance of correct pronunciation and express appreciation for listener feedback.
As the episode nears its end, Clay and Buck tease upcoming discussions, including RFK hearings, while maintaining their trademark humor and engagement with historical anecdotes.
Clay Travis [14:37]: "There we go. A lot of knowledge there. But the VIPs, this is a great example. A lot of history nerds in this audience."
Buck Sexton [21:04]: "How about me maybe knowing the way that the South Asian community would actually pronounce that? I think I deserve credit given that I miss pronounce everything."
They wrap up by acknowledging their listeners' attentiveness and encouraging continued engagement.
Notable Quotes:
Buck Sexton [00:29]: "I don't like your tone. It's number one go to do men really ever get to play that I don't like your tone angle?"
Clay Travis [01:00]: "What would you do if somebody told you, Clay? Theoretically. Theoretically, you know, you're yelling and you're like, but I'm not. How do you deal with that one?"
Buck Sexton [06:00]: "Caroline Levitt, new White House press secretary, only got her job because she's good looking."
Clay Travis [19:32]: "To keep on throwing a wad of cash in your direction as we talk about Cash Patel's hearing tomorrow."
Conclusion:
In this episode of "Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck," listeners are treated to a blend of serious discussions on social dynamics and media criticism, interspersed with light-hearted banter and historical trivia. Clay and Buck effectively engage with contemporary issues while maintaining an entertaining and approachable dialogue, making the content accessible and enjoyable for both regular listeners and newcomers alike.