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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
guys, gals and nothing in between. Fuel your day@chalk.com Sunday hang with Clay and Buck Let me give you a couple of history recommendations. I'd been down this weekend reading Rick Atkinson. He's got a World War II trilogy. The one that I'm reading right now is about the war in North Africa, which I knew very little about during World War II, but given that it is Washington's birthday. Rick Atkinson's Revolutionary War trilogy. He's got two of the three done. If you are looking for a deep, engrossing, incredibly well done, not political, just write up of the Revolutionary War. It is so well done. I give it my highest recommendation. And again, you can just get totally lost in it.
Buck Sexton
I'm almost done with your Killer Angels, by the way. It's one of I read a few books at a time on Kindle. I'm almost finished with. It's fantastic. That's a very solid wreck.
Clay Travis
I think 1976 won the Pulitzer Prize. It's great. Let's see Ray in New Orleans. Let's celebrate. Tomorrow is Mardi Gras. F we'll close him out. Let him sing the praises of Fat Tuesday.
Ray from New Orleans
Hey guys, y' all talk about President's Day and how's the goofy holiday and stuff. It's also down here. It's in New Orleans. It's Mardi Gras. So right now it's Monday. It's actually Loony Gras for Fat Monday, but we're having a great old time down here. So we got a lot of people at work and a lot of people not at work because we're celebrating Mardi Gras. So happy Mardi Gras and y' all have a great President's Day.
Clay Travis
We will have a good Mardi Gras tomorrow with the baby in the cake. You know the baby in the cake story, Buck. It's fun.
Buck Sexton
Yes. The king King cake, whatever. Isn't that right? Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Some of you get to celebrate the presidents. Kind of a weird holiday, isn't it when you think about it? Well, what exactly is the holiday?
Clay Travis
Well, it's just Washington's birthday and then they expanded it to Lincoln and now it's just a weird construction.
Buck Sexton
There's like expanded to Lincoln, but it's like we're, we're doing a dual birthday. So. What kind of, what kind of nonsense is this? This is a little, little bit of. It's a weird. Let's be honest. Let's be honest, everybody. What is President's Day really for? Getting a great deal on a mattress, maybe a lawnmower, perhaps some outdoor furniture. Like that's really what President's Day is all about. It's a time for businesses to establish a post Christmas sale when they can move inventory. Am I right or am I right?
Clay Travis
I mean, that certainly is the thing you would see back in the day. I don't know that they advertise that as much. Back in the day when newspapers existed, there were always mattress cells. That was the big President's Day. I don't know that they really pull that anymore, but by the way, since it is President's Day and I know we're going to get to Obama, but did you see? I was actually stunned by something that I saw come down which I think is indicative of how successful they have been in defining modern day ideas of the presidency. Do you see the rankings for people today of who the best presidents are?
Buck Sexton
Oh, no. Okay. I thought you were off roading as you tend to do and all of a sudden we're going to be talking about some football thing. No, this is actually about presidents who
Clay Travis
do they have President's Day. I mean, some of this is not going to surprise you. According to Americans. This is from YouGov. Abraham Lincoln is seen as the greatest president of all time. I think a lot of people would kind of nod along and say, you know, winning the Civil War, kind of a big deal. Ending slavery. George Washington, you don't like.
Buck Sexton
I think you got to give G. I think G Dubs. It's got to be G Dubs. I'm sorry, G Dubs.
Clay Travis
He's in third. This one really Surprised me. John F. Kennedy is second.
Buck Sexton
What? Get out of here. Trash. Trash.
Clay Travis
Listen to this.
Buck Sexton
A la Poobel in the trash.
Clay Travis
Abraham Lincoln, 1, John F. Kennedy, 2. George Washington, 3. This one surprised me a little bit. I think it's actually just a sign that people don't know there's more than one Roosevelt. Theodore Roosevelt, fourth place. And then Franklin Roosevelt, sixth place. Thomas Jefferson in fifth place. This one also surprised me. John Adams, who is like the big John Adams fans out there, like that. He would be the seventh best president of all time.
Buck Sexton
A little bit of a. I mean, look, I think the founders, you got to give the, the early guys a little bit of a, you know, extra points for, you know, Washington. It's like if he, you know, Kamala messes up, she goes on a book tour. Washington messed up, he was going to get hanged. Right. It's a different deal.
Clay Travis
And the whole country was potentially going to cease to exist. Either. Either way.
Buck Sexton
Yes, but I'm saying, I'm saying that
Clay Travis
more significant for Washington than others.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, yeah. I think you got to give Washington a little bit more. I think it's interesting that Jefferson doesn't appear on these lists.
Clay Travis
Well, Jefferson is at 5. FD.
Buck Sexton
Oh, he's at 5.
Clay Travis
OK. Yeah. John Adams, 7. Ronald Reagan, 8. Madison, 9. And then it starts to get wonky. Obama, 9.
Buck Sexton
Get out of here. What list is this? Is this, is this, is this Communist dot com. What is this list?
Clay Travis
How Americans rate presidents. And this one blew my mind. Jimmy Carter plus six.
Buck Sexton
The communists. This is all crash. The bots from India have made this thing up. There's no way.
Clay Travis
What, what jumped out to me is, okay, Richard Nixon, not very popular. Joe Biden, not very popular. George W. Bush, a lot of current presidents, by and large, not very popular. But this one, Andrew Jackson minus three. And I don't think a lot of people think about this, but when they were trying to take Jackson off the $20 bill, which seems to basically have ended, they have basically created in the world the idea that all Andrew Jackson did in his eight years as president was the Trail of Tears. And I thought this was interesting because when you and I were in school, Andrew Jackson would have been considered one of the best presidents in the country. And they have been so successful at defining Jackson entirely based on the Trail of Tears that he now has collapsed in his overall popularity.
Buck Sexton
Well, this is why this stuff matters, is because these fights over history are actually fights over the narrative in the present. Right. This is it all. It all is meant to influence our thinking and Our feelings about what is in the here and now. There is power at stakeholders with the history that we believe or with the history that we accept. And so that's why the left is always rewriting history as fast as they can. And you noted Nixon. I know we're all supposed to hate Nixon so much. The Democrat party in this country hated Nixon because he was a staunch anti communist and he was right about the fact that they were a bunch of damn commies and sold out the country at the highest levels. So they were kind of ticked off about that. So they tried to get him back. There's a lot of stuff that people don't. And you look up the Venona Project, which was a top secret military program about the penetrations of, of the United States government, all Democrats, by the way, including at some of the very highest levels of our government. This was a real thing. It was declassified in the 80s, I think it was. And the communist menace was far more. Kids don't even learn about this in school. And how many people even know about the Project Venona? There's very, very few. But Clay, my point on all this is. Yeah, of course they want to find presidents of the past and elevate them that are meant to push certain ideas and policies today. I mean, the notion of Barack Obama is a great president, that's, that's absurd. The notion of Jimmy Carter as a great president.
Clay Travis
Carter is even crazy.
Buck Sexton
Well, I mean, I actually think that Carter probably did less damage actively. Barack Obama's signature thing. Well, you know, should we get into the Obama.
Clay Travis
Well, let's get into. Let me hit you with one more thing because I think you made a good point about the fact that the history is being used to dictate the way we talk today. They tried to replace Andrew Jackson with Harriet Tubman. I think that's been somewhat forestalled. But remember, they were going to replace Alexander Hamilton on the $10 bill, but Hamilton the musical was so popular that they rescinded the idea of taking him off money. This is 200 years after he died in the duel with Aaron Burr. So if you're out there and you're thinking, oh, a lot of these guys have to have fixed historical records because it's been 200 years since they died. Jackson has been torn down, really, in the 21st century. Meanwhile, Alexander Hamilton, who was obviously never a president, has surged up entirely based on the way they're talked about today. It's not like they're continuing to alter the trajectory of their presidencies. Or we're still having fallout from it.
Buck Sexton
That's because a lot of Americans, unfortunately, when they think of Hamilton, Alexander Hamilton, they think of a Puerto Rican guy rapping badly. So true.
Clay Travis
That's why they get to stay on the $10 bill. It is really crazy. Okay, on Obama, he did a sit down interview. He said a lot of things. Let's start running through.
Buck Sexton
This is the most, this is the most quintessential Obama thing in existence, which is to say something that is that he in fact is self refuting in the statement itself. He was sitting down with some left wing podcast guy and here we go. Obama, this is cut nine about how we the right are angry and mean and divisive. Unlike them, the left, they, them who are warm, cuddly, fantastic and inclusive.
Obama Clip
Play 9 the other side does the mean angry demagoguery, you know, exclusive us them, you know, divisive politics. That's their, that's, that's their home court. Our court is coming together. Our court is look, you know, a great example. Wasn't political. Bad bunnies halftime show.
Buck Sexton
I knew you were going to say that.
Obama Clip
Well, it was, it resonated. It was smart because it wasn't preaching, it was showing. It was demonstrating and displaying. This is what a community is.
Buck Sexton
Clay. He's wrong on all counts. But I also love the unlike those other jerks, we're really nice and inclusive. We're the inclusive side while being exclusive of them. Barack Obama's tenure was, I think more than anything else characterized by bringing back race riots in the 21st century. BLM 1.0. It brought people together while they were burning down neighborhoods out of anti white rage. That's not good.
Clay Travis
I wonder how plugged in Obama actually is on very much that's going on. How much is him knowingly lying versus just not really paying that much attention to the day to day trajectories of politics. And the reason why I ask that is remember Kamala tried to call him out, you know, go to the bullpen, so to speak. And Obama came and tried to campaign for Kamala and I thought was really bad and seemed tone deaf. He lectured black guys that they needed to vote for her and that it was sexist of them not to be supporting Kamala in the same way that he was supported. And he never really got engaged with Biden at all because I think Obama knew Biden was out to lunch and wasn't able to actually do the job. And so when I see and hear these sit downs, he sounds pretty out of touch with what's going on right now. And obviously when you're the president of the United States, you have to be at least aware of what's going on. I think he's just a rich, out of touch leftist like many of the people that are in Hollywood right now. And what cut exactly did you play? Because there's so many of.
Buck Sexton
I played nine, but there's so many, so many others we can get into here. We could do the whole show just
Clay Travis
on Obama's nonsense 11 Obama says they have a much harder job than Republicans because they're not as mean other than trying to kill Trump a couple of times. Cut 11 yes, we have a harder
Obama Clip
job because sometimes I think we're tough on Democrats saying, why aren't you being as mean and tough and nasty as they are? Well, you know, when I was president, United States, I suppose I could have simply unilaterally ordered the military to go into some red state and harass and intimidate a governor there or cut off funding for states that didn't vote for me. I could have exercised that prerogative. But that is contrary to how I think our democracy is supposed to work. And I think we shouldn't get discouraged by the fact that we have a tougher job. We should, what we should do is expect that our side is smart enough to figure it out.
Buck Sexton
Clay Obama explicitly threatened to cut off education funds to I think it was North Carolina over the bathroom gender policy bill. Essentially you have to let trannies use whatever bathroom they want or else we're going to in school or else we're going to cut off. So he actually was, remember that he was thuggish in his use of government power. He sued nuns, for heaven's sakes. And he's complaining about Trump enforcing immigration law. Really, he's a nice guy.
Clay Travis
I would like to hear someone interviewed who is on the left and I would like the question to be we hit a 125 year low in murder. Do you think Donald Trump deserves any credit for that at all? Because you're talking about him sending troops into red states and sorry, whether Obama could have done it sending troops into blue states. The results of that have been that way. More people who tended to vote Democrat are alive today than otherwise would. I would just like to hear somebody say does Trump deserve any credit at all? Do you think the southern border being the most secure than it's ever been in our life, do you think that is in any way connected to us setting 125 year low for murders, support
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Clay Travis
Sundays with Clay and Vox. Mitchell has an awful take.
Buck Sexton
I think just listening to Tuesday's podcast on iHeart. And to summarize your show, sounds like that Clay has shaved his beard, become a swifty after publishing a book titled Balls, which I bought and read. Sounds like he has lost his. But you have got to pull his man card.
Clay Travis
Wow, that's a lot of shots there.
Buck Sexton
Both barrels. Both barrels unleashed on that one. I was. I. I'm a little. I'm a little taken aback right now that. That'. Clay. I gotta say, I think Clay's mustache is fabulous. I think it's a fabulous stash. You know, I'm. I'm a big fan. I think that he should stay. I think we stay with the stash. I don't know anyone.
Clay Travis
I am allowed to shave the mustache when it gets to 60 degrees in Nashville, which I was looking at. And the weather bounces around a lot this time of year in Nashville, but I think potentially Monday. I mean, then I'll have to make a decision because it's going to be over 60 degrees on Monday or Tuesday in Nashville. And the mustache doesn't have to stay.
Buck Sexton
VIP email from Dan. He writes, remember what happened when Kamala ran in a real presidential nomination contest? Yes, it was sad. Exclamation point. And I think Clay is forgetting just how sad it was. You know, he's getting a little. Clay's getting a little big for his britches. He suckered me in to my emotional bet on Will Kamala Run Again, which was pro. That was a kind of a crazy take. Fine. But Kamala being the nominee, where you mark this one down, guys. Gavin Newsom's gonna be the nominee. Kamala Harris is not gonna be the nominee. Clay's gonna be wrong on this one. And somehow, whenever he's wrong, I will say this. He's the betting guy, so this makes sense. Cause he's wrong a fair amount. But whenever he's wrong, there's no stake at stake. Whenever I'm wrong, somehow I owe him a stake. This is the. This is the problem.
Clay Travis
That's why I. The odds are Gavin Newsom is a huge favorite right now to be the Democrat nominee in 2028. Kamala is a big underdog. So I was saying on Tuesday night, I was out to dinner in LA with five of our buddies, and all five of them thought I was crazy. And we. I took them on. Took the bet to say that Kamala is. Is not going to. Is going to be the nominee.
Buck Sexton
The nice thing about being crazy is that you're not necessarily alone. Richard, this is Talk Back D from South Carolina. Columbia, South Carolina. He is also in the Kamala Looney bin with you. Play it. Oh, it's on the list, but we will get to another one here. In the meantime, be Colleen from Tucson, Arizona, speaking about the kidnapping. Hit it. I live in Tucson, Arizona, and I have a question I wish you would address. If the kidnapper took her into Mexico, wouldn't that be pretty easy to track? Because I know crossing that border is a big deal. They really interrogate you to go into Mexico from Tucson.
Clay Travis
Anyway, it's a good question. I've never crossed.
Buck Sexton
I don't think that. That she's been taken into Mexico. I mean, I don't think.
Clay Travis
I'm just saying in the United States, probably.
Buck Sexton
Yes, I think so. I think that they're going to find who did. I'm. I'm very confident. Maybe I shouldn't be. They're going to find who did this. We just want Savannah's mom to be returned unharmed. That's the part of this that's so obviously up in the air. I'm very confident they're going to find who did this. I think it's really a hard thing to do this, given all the attention, all the resources on this and get away with it.
Clay Travis
Yeah. My question was, given that they are somewhat close to the border, is there an argument that she would be easier to hide in Mexico than she would be elsewhere?
Buck Sexton
Well, yes, that I think is probably the case. Clay. Getting across the border, remember, getting into the United States is super hard now. Getting out is probably a lot easier.
Clay Travis
That's what that was my thought. But I've never. I mean. And this individual may cross.
Buck Sexton
You know, there are places I've been there where you could just get in a pickup truck and you could just hit it and get into Mexico. And yes, America, remember, America can't is not going to pursue into Mexico. So now you're going to call the federales. Good luck with that one. You know, they got other things to do.
Clay Travis
We got a couple more talkbacks.
Buck Sexton
Yeah. See Sarah from Milwaukee, a brilliant lady. Play it.
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Buck Sexton
Sarah. Sarah sounds just like an astute and well read and prescient lady.
Clay Travis
If this were a few months after the 2020 election and we had come on and I had said, hey, you know, 2024, I'm already thinking ahead. Trump is not only going to win the nomination, he's going to win the popular vote. What odds do you think I could have gotten on that? It would have been crazy. Here's Richard now in Columbia, South Carolina and astute Gamecock. Let's listen.
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Clay, this is Richard in South Carolina and your take on Kamala in the 2028 primary is 100% accurate.
Buck Sexton
The primary is going to be about
Sponsor Voice
angry women and racism and the thought that Kamala is owed an opportunity for a full cycle. Newsom has no shot.
Clay Travis
I, I agree with Richard.
Buck Sexton
Richard was pretty eloquent and and pretty eloquent and well thought out on that one, which is disappointing. I thought he was just gonna say some nonsense. Damn it.
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In this episode of "Sunday Hang," Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into America's view of its presidents, the shifting narratives surrounding historical figures, and the politics of presidential ranking. With President's Day and Mardi Gras as cultural backdrops, the hosts intersperse humor and candid takes on topics like Barack Obama's latest comments, the evolution of cancel culture, and the likely Democratic nominee in 2028. The conversation weaves through listener interactions, mailbag questions, and reflections on how history is actively reshaped for contemporary aims.
| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------| | 03:40 | Clay’s historical reading recs & President's Day discussion | | 06:16 | Presidential rankings & cultural narratives | | 09:12 | Andrew Jackson’s reputation shift | | 10:04 | The weaponization of history in politics | | 11:32 | Hamilton, Tubman & the power of pop culture | | 13:25 | Obama's take on divisiveness and unity | | 16:18 | Obama claims Democrats' “tougher job” & policy reflections | | 17:32 | Crime, the border, and giving credit to Trump | | 21:51 | Listener calls, Clay’s mustache/male identity banter | | 23:04 | 2028 Dem nominee, Kamala vs. Newsom betting | | 24:16 | US-Mexico border abduction discussion | | 26:18 | Listener support as “tie-breakers” for Kamala prediction |
This episode underscores the show’s signature blend of historical reflection, political sharp-shooting, and comedic banter. Clay and Buck offer unique takes on history’s malleability in public consciousness, the real meaning behind holidays like Presidents’ Day, and the politics of who gets credit for national successes or failures. Listener voices and a friendly rivalry over predictions round out an episode that is both insightful and entertaining for those following current events and America's perpetual debate over its own story.