Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck - Mar 8 2026

Summary

The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show – Sunday Hang

Episode: March 8, 2026
Main Guests: Jesse Kelly (Host of The Jesse Kelly Show)

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Episode Overview

In this Sunday Hang, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton explore pressing issues in politics, culture, media, and contemporary society with their trademark mix of humor and candor. The conversation moves from deeply personal reflections on loss and purpose to debates over masculinity, education, political forecasts, and guest banter with Jesse Kelly. This episode captures both the heartfelt and the irreverent, with memorable commentary from callers and a special focus on the legacy of actor James Van Der Beek and cultural touchpoints.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reflecting on James Van Der Beek’s Passing (03:38–11:27)

• Clay opens with the news of actor James Van Der Beek’s death at 48 (colon cancer), reflecting on his influence in 90s pop culture and his family.
• Both hosts discuss how colon cancer is claiming the lives of younger men unexpectedly.
• Van Der Beek’s viral final message (played in full), is described as profound and resonant.

James Van Der Beek [05:38]: “I am worthy of God’s love simply because I exist. And if I’m worthy of God’s love, shouldn’t I also be worthy of my own? And the same is true for you.”

• Clay: Comments on male identity and purpose, lamenting how modern culture undermines traditional roles of men as fathers and providers.
• Buck: Recommends the memoir When Breath Becomes Air and draws parallels to Van Der Beek’s reflections.

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2. Listener Callers: Personal Experiences with Loss (11:27–12:47)

• Tim from Minneapolis calls in, sharing his own loss (wife to cancer, raised two kids alone):

Tim [11:52]: “If you don’t have your health, none of it matters… That just like hit home so well.”

• The segment highlights the community aspect of the show, where listeners relate personal hardships to the broader themes.

• Buck: “The healthy person has a thousand wants, the sick person has one. And I think it is very true.”

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3. Special Guest: Jesse Kelly Segment Highlights (16:17–29:24)

a. Banter, Masculinity & Super Bowl Humor (16:39–20:36)

• Jesse Kelly joins, playfully ribbing Buck about his haircut and Clay about his mustache.
• Clay reads a humorous, slightly provocative email about Jesse being “gay” for drinking cucumber ice water at the Super Bowl. Jesse responds, making light of not watching the NFL due to its politics and defending his choice:

Jesse Kelly [19:03]: “I had ice water… I left at halftime after I made everybody turn off the Bad Bunny halftime show… What’s wrong with ice water? I like ice water.”

b. Jesse Kelly’s “Little Red Book” and Political Reflections (21:15–22:38)

• Jesse describes his new free e-book – Jesse’s Little Red Book – a collection of thoughts on culture, politics, and even food.
• It’s intentionally a riff on Mao’s “Little Red Book,” but “no one will be slaughtered after [reading it].”

c. Epstein Scandal & The Moral Duty of Victims to Name Names (22:38–26:04)

• Clay: Raises frustration with Epstein-related press conferences, asking why alleged victims don’t name other abusers.
• Jesse agrees, noting the pattern is reminiscent of the “MeToo” movement going from genuine to exploitative:

Jesse [24:29]: “If you’re on your 20th press conference… and you haven’t named a single name… I need to hear some names now.”

d. 2026 Political Predictions (26:45–27:38)

• Jesse predicts GOP will lose the House but keep the Senate in the coming election unless the economy rebounds.
• Warns that “normies” vote their pocketbooks, not ideology.

e. Taylor Swift “versus The Beatles” & More Banter (27:38–28:37)

• Buck asks Jesse to weigh in on Clay’s claim that Taylor Swift is “the 21st-century Beatles.”

Jesse [27:57]: “If I met somebody that unbelievably deranged, I’d want to get him help… Is it rehab?”

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4. Media Careers, Mustache Talk & Marriage Humor (29:24–32:29)

• Clay pushes for more YouTube subscribers, aiming for 1 million.
• The trio jokes about mustaches and marriage, particularly the perils of asking your wife for feedback:

Buck [31:02]: “That’s like dagger to the heart… When you ask your wife, ‘What do you think?’ and she says… ‘fine.’”

• Clay and Jesse riff on “are you going to wear that?” as the real wife test.

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5. Listener Talkbacks: Mustaches, Music and Airplanes (32:20–36:00)

• Marin, a retired pilot, calls—Clay jokes about mustaches and pilot skill.
• AJ from Wisconsin claims mustaches are more disciplined than beards.
• Junior from Long Island praises the show’s “bumper music.” Clay credits producer Greg.

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6. Caller Jackie (High School Teacher) on Curriculum & Indoctrination (36:20–41:01)

• Jackie (12th grade NC English teacher) describes the top-down control in public schools, loss of teacher autonomy, and prevalence of “race-baiting” and “anti-American” views in College Board-mandated materials:

Jackie [37:52]: “You have no choice… They give you the feeling that you have choice in your classroom. You do not.”

• Details how classic literature is largely excluded, students only receive superficial engagement with works like Othello.

Reading & Reasoning in an AI World (41:01–42:46)

• Clay worries students can no longer read or reason deeply due to social media and shallow curricula:

Clay [41:59]: “I would argue the most useful tool that exists is the ability to read and analyze information.”

• Buck concurs; Clay presses the urgency of teaching deep reading and critical thought in schools dominated by AI and standardized platforms.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• James Van Der Beek [05:38]: “I am worthy of God’s love simply because I exist.”
• Tim from Minneapolis [11:52]: “If you don’t have your health, you don’t have anything. Nothing else matters then.”
• Jesse Kelly [19:03]: “What’s wrong with ice water? I like ice water.”
• Jesse Kelly [24:29]: “If you’re on your 20th press conference… and you haven’t named a single name… I need to hear some names now.”
• Clay [41:59]: “The most useful tool that exists is the ability to read and analyze information.”
• Buck [31:02]: “When you ask your wife, ‘What do you think?’ and she says something is… fine. It’s not fine.”

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Important Timestamps

• 03:38 – Start of the James Van Der Beek remembrance and final message
• 05:38 – Van Der Beek’s final viral message played
• 11:27 – Tim from Minneapolis shares his personal cancer story
• 16:17 – Jesse Kelly joins the show
• 19:03 – Jesse Kelly defends his Super Bowl ice water
• 21:35 – Jesse explains his “Little Red Book”
• 22:38 – Discussion on Epstein, press conferences, and victim accountability
• 26:45 – 2026 political predictions
• 27:38 – Taylor Swift vs. The Beatles banter
• 36:20 – Jackie, NC teacher, on education, curricula, and indoctrination
• 41:59 – Clay and Buck on reading, reasoning, and AI-driven education

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Tone & Style

The episode is fast-paced, switching between humor-laden banter, listener engagement, and serious reflections on mortality, family, and cultural decline. Clay and Buck alternate between irreverence (cucumber ice water, mustache debates, Taylor Swift) and earnest concern for contemporary society (male purpose, reading in the age of AI, cultural literacy). Guest Jesse Kelly matches their style, contributing wit, political acumen, and pointed social commentary.

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This summary covers all the core topics and major takeaways for listeners who missed the show while maintaining the original conversational tone and including the most compelling moments and quotes from both hosts and callers.

Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

for guys gals and nothing in between. Fuel your [e-mail] Sunday hang with Clay and Buck. This is a a bit of a sad aspect. We mentioned that James Vanderbeek, 48 years old, star of Dawson's Creek and Varsity Blues died and somebody shared with me it was you. And then I shared it and so many people were reacting to it. Varsity Blues was a all time teen and football movie and I bet a lot of you saw it. It had a large number of at that time people in their late teens or early twenties that were stars in that era.

[Buck Sexton]

It's for people who grew up in the 90s was a big movie. I don't think our parents saw it,

[Clay Travis]

but yeah, but that three of the icons of that movie are all now dead. Paul. What? Paul Walker, that's the guy from Fast and the Furious. But he was in this movie.

[Buck Sexton]

He was the star of the Fast the Furious movies who died in a

[Clay Travis]

high speed car accident and then the Billy Bob character. All three of them have passed and James Vanderbeek had six young kids, 48 years old and this was his final message and this has gone viral and I don't know how many people have heard this, but James Vanderbeek, as you mentioned, Buck was on Team Sanity. It would not stun me if he sometimes listened to this show. And again he had six kids and he I think it was colon cancer which has become very deadly. It seems like for a lot of younger men that you wouldn't anticipate. Chadwick Boseman who played the Black Panther among other roles, also I believe died of colon cancer. But here was James Vanderbeek's final message. I, I thought maybe it would resonate with some of you. Like it resonated with me when I heard this yesterday. Cut 21.

[James Vanderbeek (voice clip)]

When I was younger, I used to define myself as an actor, right, which was never really all that fulfilling. And then it became a husband, and that was much better. And then it became a father. And that was the ultimate. I could define myself then as a loving, capable, strong, supportive husband, father, provider, steward of the land that we're so lucky to live on. And for a long time that felt like a really good definition to the question, who am I? What am I? And then this year, I had to look my own mortality in the eye. I had to come nose to nose with death. And all of those definitions that I cared so deeply about were stripped from me. I was away for treatment. So I could no longer be a husband that was helpful to my wife. I could no longer be a father who could pick up his kids and put them to bed and be there for them. I could not be a provider because I wasn't working. I couldn't even be a steward of the land because at times I was too weak to prune all the trees during the window that you're supposed to prune them. And so I was faced with the question, if I am just a too skinny, weak guy alone in an apartment with cancer, what am I? And I meditated. And the answer came through. I am worthy of God's love simply because I exist. And if I'm worthy of God's love, shouldn't I also be worthy of my own? And the same is true for you.

[Clay Travis]

I just thought that was really very well said for a 48 year old. And again, he has left behind six very young children. They're, they're the lovely family, but just a. I think for a lot of people out there, because he's relatively young, you don't expect people in their 40s to pass with young families that they're taking care of. And I, I think a lot of people have been sharing that because it did feel like a very profound revelation from him. And I think a lot of people find purpose, particularly men. I think this is one of the biggest challenges that exists in our society today, Buck, is when you tell men that they shouldn't be providers and that they shouldn't be fathers and they don't have people that rely on them. Most men are not at their best. I think that's fair to say. When men act entirely in their own self interest and they do not have people to provide for, protect, and, and. And basically be the, the strong backbone of a household, I think most men are at their worst. And, And I thought that evolution in James Vanderbeek's perspective on a lot of people say, oh, I'd love to be in a movie. I, I don't know. I've. I've done a couple of. Of. Of things in film. It's. It's honestly seems really boring to me. Buck, you do the same scene over and over again like this.

[Buck Sexton]

Wow, you're. You're going back for your, your IMDb here, Clay?

[Clay Travis]

Well, I mean, I just. I, I think a lot of people think, oh, being an actor would be cool. And if you've ever been in one of those trailers and you've ever done a scene in a movie or you've ever filmed anything. I like live television. I like live radio because I imagine I probably would like live theater because there is no safety net. But the idea of doing the same scene 40 different times from every angle, it's miserable. Like, I did not enjoy it at all. And I think a lot of people, you know, he had a great deal of success there, but I think what he's recognizing is something much more profound than personal success.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, I just. Clay. Clay, drawing upon his time as a thespian, stray in on this one is. Is very Clay. And I appreciate that his, his speech here or his, his message here, which I even shared with my own. With my family. I just thought it was really worth hearing, worth watching and listening to. I'm very glad you played it on. Reminds me of a memoir that was written by Paul Kalanithi, which you can get. It's short. It's called When Breath Becomes Air. And it's about this absolute top neurosurgeon who finds out right when he's about to sort of hit his peak of saving lives and, you know, operating on tumors that are the hardest to operate on, all this kind of stuff, that he has terminal cancer. And then the book is really a meditation on being. Being a dad, being a, you know, a man, be everything, you know, father. And it's just really beautifully written. And I think that if you're ever looking for something that's. You will read it in a weekend for sure. Get Manufacturing Delusion first, which comes out on Tuesday, but can't be selling other people's books right now. But no, it's a really. If you haven't read When Breath Becomes Air. It's a really beautiful memoir and it goes into a lot of these things. By the way, he was. He was a man of faith, Paul Kalanithi. So I think a lot of you would, you know, love being a dad, love being a husband, but it's very honest. He's also wildly brilliant. That comes across from, you know, he was just. He was like the clay. He was like the Stanford neurosurgeon guy. You know, that was the up and coming in California at his. At the hospital and everything else. You know, he's like. He's the guy that you would make the doctor, like, soap opera or, you know, Grey's Anatomy around as, like the super doctor. He was that guy. And so I think it's. It's really powerful to sort of go through his thoughts. He knew he had a year to live and he wrote this book and that's. That's what he did for the year. So I would. I would recommend that to you. Tim, you're on. Hey, you guys. Hey, Tim from Minneapolis. Say, can you guys hear me okay?

[Clay Travis]

Yes. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

So I was driving down the road.

[Clay Travis]

I've never.

[Buck Sexton]

I listen to you guys periodically, but the actor you had on who made a comment about, you know, he had. He got diagnosed with cancer and obviously passed away.

[Clay Travis]

But that hit home with me and

[Buck Sexton]

I just gotta say that

[Clay Travis]

what it

[Buck Sexton]

really sums up or comes down to is the fact that if you don't have your health, none of it matters. So he came to this revelation.

[Clay Travis]

I've been through it.

[Buck Sexton]

I lost a wife to cancer. I raised two kids on my own, so I just get choked up hearing

[Clay Travis]

about stuff like that. So it really hit home with me when I heard that.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it was powerful. It was powerful.

[Clay Travis]

Glad you're here. How are the kids?

[Buck Sexton]

The kids are good. They're growing now, so they lost their mom about 10, 11 years ago, so last one's just graduating from college, so that's good. But, yeah, that just like hit home so well. Like I say, I tell people this all the time. If you don't have health, you don't have. You don't have anything. Nothing else matters then.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you.

[Buck Sexton]

There's a.

[Clay Travis]

There's a saying, cancer. And congrats to getting those kids through college.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you so much. I was going to say there's a saying that the healthy person has a thousand wants, the sick person has one. And I think it is very true. It's a very tough thing to deal with when you have really serious illness. And our thoughts and prayers go to anybody out there right now who's dealing with an illness of any kind.

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[Clay Travis]

wow, you look so good for your age.

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Like, why even bother saying that?

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Why don't you just say you look

[Clay Travis]

great at any age, every age.

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[Clay Travis]

Sundays with Clay and Buck.

[Buck Sexton]

Jesse Kelly joins us. He is the host of the Jesse Kelly show, syndicated by Premier Networks. In the evenings, he has a new book out, Jesse's Little Red Book, which we'll be talking about here in a second. And he is America's tallest radio host according to the Guinness Book of World Records. So, Jesse, welcome.

[Jesse Kelly]

Well, I'm just happy I can finally bring some talent to the airwaves here, Buck. And I do have to ask before we get going, what did you do to your hair, Buck?

[Clay Travis]

I love mustache. Avoided all, all attacks. I, you know, I pointed this out. Did you get a new take on this? Because Buck has been getting the same haircut as like 20 year olds in Miami now. So this is Jesse.

[Buck Sexton]

I go, I go to a barber shop with some wonderful Cuban Americans who speak very limited English. And you are seeing the end product of that here. But I will have you know that Clay's teenage sons in shock referred to this haircut as cool.

[Jesse Kelly]

Yes, but have you seen Clay's mustache? I mean, with all due respect, are we going with Clay's brood's opinion here?

[Clay Travis]

You know, though, how about you opening with no hair? Coming after Buck for a haircut like that is just an unprecedented attack from you. That's like Iran coming into the negotiations with Trump and, you know, obliterate Washington,

[Buck Sexton]

D.C. clay, Clay wanted to read an email that you posted from one of your fans on air on this show. And I was like, no, Jess, I was like, no, Jesse's our friend. That's not. You know what, Clay? Go ahead. I'm not standing in the way anymore.

[Clay Travis]

Let's start off. You want to throw stones? Make sure I grabbed it here because I was laughing during the commercial break. This is an email. Jesse is on many of these same stations in the evening. The subject is gay boy, which, by the way, I'M sure got flagged because you and Mayor Pete are emailing so frequently with each other. Jesse. I think that's what you call each other, right? Jesse, you say you had an ice water at the super bowl party. How many fruit wedges did you throw in that water? Was any cucumber involved? People are concerned your gayness is bleeding over into the NFL. Just go watch the halftime show. Why are you so gay? It's okay to use my name, Aaron. So you know, there's a lot of super bowl talk. Why? Aaron wants to know why are you so gay? Would you like to apologize to America for drinking an ice water at the super bowl party?

[Jesse Kelly]

No, I would not like to apologize. And let me explain. It was not my party and I didn't care about the Super Bowl. I haven't watched the NFL in years because of all the Black Lives Matter stuff. I went from being NFL super fan. Do I never watch it? I went to a neighborhood party because my neighbor who barbecues and he smokes all these delicious meats, he had smoked chicken wings. But anyway, the fellas and ladies were getting together. Of course the ladies stayed inside because they're too annoying. And the guys went out back and we ate meats. I did not go for the game. I didn't care about the game. I left at halftime after I made everybody turn off the Bad Bunny halftime show and turn on the other one. Then I made it halfway through that and I left at halftime. I was there to hang with the fellas for a little bit and have some meats. The super bowl is on a Sunday. I am 44, not 24 years old anymore. I try to limit my alcoholic beverages, period. Let alone on a Sunday night when I have to work the next day. So I. Yes, I had ice water, and I had to tell everyone there I had ice water and I had to catch crap from them, and then I had to catch crap from my listeners. And now I'm getting it from you guys. What's wrong with ice water? I like ice water.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I mean, it's fine.

[Buck Sexton]

We heard rumors that there were cucumber wedges in the ice water.

[Clay Travis]

To be fair. I know. I just remember you coming after me for Brussels sprouts. And I think if you were trying to assess masculinity. Brussels sprouts for the table versus cucumber wedged ice water at a Super bowl party, I. I just think that I'm the more masculine choice here.

[Jesse Kelly]

Well, if I have to be honest, I didn't advertise it was ice Water, because I had one of those big, big. I forget what brand it was. One of the big insulated mugs with the lid on it. So if you looked and I walked in with it, it, you probably were

[Clay Travis]

just carrying around your own water. Now this is what chicks do in your Stanley Cup.

[Jesse Kelly]

No, no, I like the water to stay cold. I have an ice machine. I don't like to rub my wealth in anyone's face, but I have an ice machine. It makes endless amounts of ice. And so I spend my days drinking icy cold water as if I'm on an Arctic expedition.

[Buck Sexton]

Tell us about. I'm going to save you here, Jesse. I'm going to pull you out of the Arctic icy waters here for a second, like a polar bear grabbing a seal. Tell me the Little Red Book. This is available@jesse kelly.com right now. What is this?

[Jesse Kelly]

Okay, first of all, it's free. I need to stress this. It's free. It's not a gimmick or a scam. I, I wrote everyone. I wrote the Anti Communist Manifesto. What was that? A couple years ago? I'm not an author. I don't ever want to write another book again. And I didn't want to write another book, but I had some extra thoughts, like I wanted to put an extra chapter in it, basically. But then as I was sitting down and I was hashing it out, it turned into, I think it's 93 pages, which is more than an extra chapter. And I thought, well, how do I even get this to people? I don't want to put it in hardback. Why don't I just email it to everybody? So we came up with the idea. Let's just write it. It's a little booklet on, you know, my thoughts on the Democrats, Republicans, culture. I even have food thoughts in there, whatever. Just a little booklet. That's obviously a riff on Mao's Little Red Book, which he used to slaughter all kinds of people in China. No one will be slaughtered after Little Red Book. It's just little food for thought items about where we're at as a country. And it's free. We just put in your email address@jesse kelly.com and we email it to you. That's what it is.

[Clay Travis]

That's a pretty cool idea. So I would encourage people to, to potentially check this out. If you're into gay authors, which, you know, it's an important, important moment to, to honor you. I know it's Black History Month, but, you know, Gay Author Month is coming up soon, I'm sure. And it's an esteemed accomplishment. All right, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. So this is all, like, prelude to, you can choose to join me in right now. People are coming after me like crazy. Or you could say, you know what, Clay? That's you on an island. And it's an interesting island because I watched yesterday Pam Bondi testify on Capitol Hill, and she was interrupted by so called. And I say use the phrase so called because these women are saying, hey, we were abused by people other than Jeffrey Epstein. And they continue to have all these press conferences, and they keep showing up, and they were in the press conference, and they're in the back of the. I mean, at the. At the. At the hearing, they're in the back of it. They're chanting. They're drawing attention to themselves. Where. What am I missing here? If you are a victim, if somebody assaulted you, you. And yet that person is still alive, and maybe they're still out there assaulting other people, don't you have an actual obligation if you are doing all these press conferences to actually make the public allegation file lawsuits, get investigations to occur? What am I missing here? At some point when you're showing up for all these press conferences saying, I'm a victim. I'm a survivor, Epstein is dead. Jelaine Maxwell's in prison. They're saying there's other people that abuse them. Don't they have an obligation morally to actually tell us who these people are? I mean, I. I'm just. I'm fired up about it.

[Jesse Kelly]

I don't. I don't disagree. I. But I think this. This Epstein stuff, it's very similar to. To, like, the. What the MeToo movement was like that started out, and it was a really good thing because women who had been abused by men felt comfortable coming forward and finally voicing it. And then it took, like, five minutes for it to turn really scummy and scammy. And very clearly it was a money grab. And he took me out on a bad day, and he ordered Brussels sprouts, and now I'm mad at him. That kind of a thing. And so I think the exact same thing is taking place with Epstein, who was clearly a creep and a monster, was surrounded by creeps and monsters, did all kinds of creepy, monstrous things, and I hope every one of them gets thrown into prison. However, as soon as people start getting paid on this stuff, start getting famous on this stuff, that is inevitably going to invite scammers and scummy people, too, who love to give press conferences every other day and have their name in 60 minutes. But at some point, if you're gonna. If you're gonna come out publicly and say, I was abused, you have to deliver the goods. I don't necessarily think you're crazy. Now, if you wanna stay quiet, I get that. I know a bunch of women who have sadly gone through this kind of thing and they don't wanna talk about it. They don't feel comfortable talking about it, and that's not my place to tell anyone to talk about it. But if you're. If you're on your 20th press conference talking about the powerful men who've abused you, and it's the 20th time, you haven't named a single name. I'm sorry, I need to hear some names now. I want to hear some names. I want to know which of the powerful people in our society are freaking monstrous predators preying on women. You've teased me at this point in time, now you got to deliver much more.

[Clay Travis]

If they truly are out there and they did it to you, they're likely doing it to other people. So to me, the moral obligation people say, oh, there's an NDA. They got paid $100 million. They can't talk. This is BS. Like the Epstein. The Epstein estate is not suing you. I've been through some of these cases before with representing women and representing people in situations like these. You. I just. I. I'm fired up about it. Okay. Where are we, Jesse, Year two, as we are now, you know, you got a primary, you live in Texas. You got a primary in, what, two and a half weeks, whatever it's going to be. What do you expect in 26?

[Jesse Kelly]

I expect that we will lose the House of Representatives and keep the Senate. I think that's a reasonable expectation. How bad that loss is remains to be seen. If we fight tooth and nail, we might lose it by a little. If. If this economy does not come back for most people, then we're probably going to lose it by a lot. And Trump's going to be impeached every other day in the House, and it's going to be a miserable last two years of his presidency. I think it's all going to depend on the economy. Those US Political people, everyone listening right now. We know all the ins and outs, we know all the issues. But the normies who decide elections don't vote on that. They vote on. Can they afford chicken? Can they afford a plane ticket to go see their mother? Is the economy back for them? Selling them on another big trade deal? Does not do anything for the normies out there. They have to feel it in their pocketbook. Are they feeling it?

[Clay Travis]

I don't know.

[Jesse Kelly]

They better be feeling it by election time or we're in trouble.

[Buck Sexton]

Jesse, putting you back on the hot seat here for a second. What would you say to a full grown man with a mustache who lives in the Nashville area who makes the claim that Taylor Swift is on her way to being the 21st century version of the Beatles?

[Jesse Kelly]

Man, that is just so sad.

[Clay Travis]

If I had a moment is the word you're looking.

[Jesse Kelly]

If I could. If I could talk to that guy, if I had him, if I had a chance to talk to that guy, I'd really want to. I mean, I'd almost want to figure out, is he hurt? Is there something wrong inside? Is there something going on in his life that we need to find out about? Can we get him help? I have a heart for people, Buck. If I met somebody that broken and wrong, I would want to find out. Is it rehab? Look, I'll pitch in some money, Buck. I know you will too, Clay. You probably would too if you met anybody that unbelievably deranged.

[Clay Travis]

She is an absolute icon and long after three of us are gone, her music is going to echo throughout the world, bringing everyone together.

[Buck Sexton]

Go to Jesse Kelly.com called gay for

[Jesse Kelly]

drinking ice water at a Super bowl party.

[Clay Travis]

You didn't drink ice water after you ran a half marathon. You drink ice water at a Super bowl party. While I might mention hanging out with guys and pounding meats on the patio, I think you're phrasing. He's going to be voting for Mayor Pete in every election for the rest of his life. He's Jesse Kelly. Make sure that you go subscribe to his podcast, check out his new book and you can listen to him on many of these same stations in the evenings. Jesse, thank you.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

and nothing in between. Fuel your [e-mail] Sunday drop with Clay and Buck. You will be able to watch all three hours of this program on YouTube. If you haven't subscribed on YouTube. I think last I checked 120000 of you have which we appreciate but we want to bump those numbers. I would like to get it. I think we could get it up over a mil is the big goal. I think we can get it up over a million in the next year. I think when we start putting up the three hour show and people are able to find it There, in addition to podcast and all the live radio and everything else, I think we can take the YouTube show up over a million subscribers. I think we can get that next year at some point.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, let's certainly add a really fun dynamic to what we're doing here because then, for example, all of you could, after you've listened on the radio, go check out the YouTube and you could see that the haircut that I got that Jesse remarked on. I've already taken some incoming on this one clay. I got home from my barbershop and I feel like I'm doing great. You know, it's all very light, very aerodynamic.

[Clay Travis]

How often do you get your hair cut?

[Buck Sexton]

Once a month. Okay. You know, every four or five weeks. That's not very often.

[Clay Travis]

That's legit. Okay.

[Jesse Kelly]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

So I went. But I came home and I looked at my wife and I said, and I said, what do you think? She said, it's fine. And there was like a three second pause before fine.

[Clay Travis]

I think it looks good.

[Buck Sexton]

But this, that's like dagger to the heart, man. When you ask your wife, what do you think? And she says something is dot, dot, dot, fine. It's not fine, by the way.

[Jesse Kelly]

That's flip it.

[Buck Sexton]

Not fine, by the way.

[Clay Travis]

Flip it. How do I look in this new dress? Fine.

[Jesse Kelly]

You.

[Clay Travis]

You're lucky if you make it out of that house alive. Like, there is no equality. Like, you're gonna say great no matter what.

[Buck Sexton]

Great is the word. Great is the word, guys.

[Clay Travis]

You say great, you look great no matter what. No matter what.

[Buck Sexton]

She puts a trash bag on. She puts a trash bag on. She's like, I only paid 500 for it. What do you think? It was on sale. Like, that trash bag looks great.

[Clay Travis]

It's great. She could pause and completely denigrate you or. I think you've talked about this before. The real woman move is, are you going to wear that? Like, they don't say change. They say, are you going to wear that? The number of times I've heard in my life, getting ready. I've been married 20, I don't know, I probably know this 22 years now. Number of times I've been told, are you going to wear that? I guess not. Headed right back into the, into the, into the laboratory here to find something new that I need to put on. But, yeah, you can't ever say this is a good, valid Valentine's Day. Is Saturday good Valentine's Day choice? She looks great. Everything she's ever put on looks fantastic.

[Buck Sexton]

We have a ton of Talkbacks only some of them mad at Clay, but we'll get to them anyway. Here we go. Marin in Arizona. This is Talkback in E. This is Baron in Arizona.

[Jackie (Caller) / Meaningful Beauty Founder]

Tell Clay I didn't have a mustache and I was really good at landing airplanes. I'm retired now, but I have over 30,000 hours of flying time.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, so I, I guess you say.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think I took a shot. I, I said that I look like I would be good at landing airplanes. But Marin, I appreciate the fact she didn't have a mustache, but she was still good at landing airplanes. I'm glad she's still with us.

[Buck Sexton]

That's good stuff. Here we go. AJ In Racine, Wisconsin.

[Clay Travis]

Look, a mustache takes far more discipline. It takes far more active effort than a beard does. Beards are symbols of laziness. Whereas a mustache takes effort every day to groom it shows a much put together man. This is coming from a bearded gentleman myself. Doesn't AJ Thought about that.

[Buck Sexton]

Doesn't AJ Kind of sound to you like a guy who spends hundreds of hours making dioramas of like, Revolutionary War figures, you know, intense. He sounds intense.

[Clay Travis]

Probably do well in the Linda McMahon test that I'm going to take. About 1776 history. I really want to take that test. We got to figure out if I can get a special dispensation to do so.

[Buck Sexton]

Michael from Florida G. Let's hear it.

[Clay Travis]

Listen, I'll put this to bed right now. The mustache has to stay. You've actually become the, let's say, the most depended on reporter or slash broadcaster,

[Buck Sexton]

slash whatever acronym or, or title we want to give.

[Clay Travis]

You are now the Tom Tucker from

[Buck Sexton]

Family Guy of our media.

[Jesse Kelly]

And the mustache has got to stay.

[Buck Sexton]

That's just the way it is. You may be the most trusted mustachioed media figure in America right now. Clay, that is a real thing.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, look, I'm just America's sweetheart. And, you know, this is quite the, quite the change from much of my career. By the way, people are coming after you. El Paso. El Paso. They shut down the airport for a little bit for not recognizing the Mexican radio song. I obviously have no idea. But you're the musical expert here. H. Buck.

[Buck Sexton]

I can't believe that you've never heard the Mexican radio song. It's a comedy song. Talking about a guy that was in a band back in the late 70s when suddenly he tunes on the radio and he hears from across the border the Mexican radio station playing his rock song. It's a great song. You should listen to it. Come on, man.

[Clay Travis]

That's a cool concept of a song idea, but I know nothing about it.

[Buck Sexton]

I've never heard of it nor had I heard it the song before. I think there are cooler songs that we could put into our rejoin hopper as. As it were. But yeah, no, I'm, I'm not. I'm not taking an L on that one. Like this is some song from the 70s, guys. I was born in the 80s. You know, we got to keep it real over here. Long island listener Junior listens on wor. This is I.

[Jesse Kelly]

Hey, guys, it's Junior on Long Island. Whomever is picking your bumper music needs to get a raise first. Wall of voodoo then was not was.

[Clay Travis]

I say give that person more money.

[Buck Sexton]

Was not was.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know is it? But Greg has been. I think producer Greg is picking the music. So he's now rigging the talk backs to angle for raises. Not a bad by him. By the way, Jackie in North Carolina, she's been waiting a while. We were talking with secretary of education Linda McMahon. Jackie, you wanted to weigh in?

[Jackie (Caller) / Meaningful Beauty Founder]

Hey. Hello, boys. I was weighing in on the top to bottom control in public schools that I am exposed to on the daily. I'm a teacher in North Carolina. I won't say where. So college board. I teach in high school. College board is disseminating a workbook that all of our students have use and is mandating that we use it. I have no anonymity in my choices in my classroom. And so at any rate, long story short, they're race baiting in all the stories that they choose in these workbooks. They are anti American like colonialism and colonialism, the root of all evil. And as to Linda, to your point, I should say, boys, I'm not needed. We had a couple snow days over the past couple weeks. I went home and I turned on a switch for dissemination of the curriculum that they have chosen. There was nothing for me to do. It's already electronically put into a platform which I just allow the children to access and that's it. I mean, it's really horrific. And our personal children went to private school school and had a vastly different experience and actually learned something. Sadly, the children that sit in our schools here in North Carolina are absolutely. They're absolutely suffering and they're. And it shows in the test results.

[Clay Travis]

What grade? Can you tell us what grade you teach?

[Jackie (Caller) / Meaningful Beauty Founder]

I teach 12th grade English. Well, sir, excuse me. English 3 and English 4. So one one block of English 3 and two blocks of English 4. So I teach. I see it in English 3, and I've taught English 2 and 10th grade. I refuse to teach freshman. That's just a little bit too much. But so I've seen it literally up and down the curriculum vertically.

[Clay Travis]

How. I'm curious, from your perspective, how has it changed? I don't know when you started teaching, but when you started teaching, was it drastically different? How have you seen the evolution of the curriculum as dictated by North Carolina progress in your career?

[Jackie (Caller) / Meaningful Beauty Founder]

I've been in North Carolina since the mid-2000s, and it has. There is no longer teacher choice. You are told what to teach. They give you the, you know, they give you the feeling that you have choice in your classroom. You do not. You have no choice. You can supplement, I suppose, but you have to be in lockstep with College Board SAT springboard. And you have to. You have to also be in lockstep with what your principal says and your, like, little local overlord says. I mean, you get zero choice. Zero choice. And when I first started teaching, you could go cross content. You could. Me as an English teacher, I could go over to history and cross content it and, you know, pick text. And then that would meet both worlds and make the kids excited. If they are. There is nothing exciting about teaching anymore.

[Clay Travis]

All right, let me ask you this, because I'm concerned about this, and I see it. My older son reads a lot. My middle son, like, getting him to read anything is a challenge if you're teaching English for. Do kids. I know kids have pretended to read books for a long time, but do kids have the ability to read text, meaning classic novels, and interact with them? Or are you seeing, with the rise of social media, inability to read deeply

[Jackie (Caller) / Meaningful Beauty Founder]

with your kids, 100% inability to read deeply, reason being, everything that they're being given is, like, tackled in, like, 10, 15 minutes. First, if it's a chapter book you have to read, forget about it. They don't have the stamina for that. The first time in our curriculum, as it stands now, that the children in this part of North Carolina see Shakespeare, is as seniors, they may read a. May read a sonnet here or there, but they're not studying Shakespeare. And the only thing they read is Othello, where I'm at. And, you know, you're in Othello for two weeks and done, you know, and you have no choice as a teacher what books you can read. You can, like, suggest supplementation, but that has to be done outside of class. So my children, aside from the text that they're reading in the workbook, again, that's being disseminated from College Board and we are being mandated to use and you know how that might be indoctrination. The only two other texts they're reading are, like I said, Othello and Pygmalion or the Crucible. Thank God. Which is really fun to teach, but

[Clay Travis]

thank you for calling in. Jackie. This is what thank you for giving us your perspective. Buck. This is something that I actually worry about. Big picture. We talk about historical illiteracy. I worry that kids, younger kids, are not developing a depth of reasoning that is required in order to analyze things in a complex way and that instead they're going to be on AI and they're going to say, hey, tell me she just mentioned Othello. Tell me the story of Othello or tell me what the themes are of Huckleberry Finn. And when you don't experience it and grapple with text yourself, your depth of knowledge of basically anything is non existent. Because I would argue the most useful tool that exists is the ability to read and analyze information. And I think it's going to matter even more in the culture in which we're moving to because I think things are just getting more complicated.

[Buck Sexton]

It's all true. And I didn't even have to type that into AI to be able to understand it. I agree with you. I think that's where we are.

[Clay Travis]

And by the way, with the power of AI, these kids are going to lack the ability to even understand when they're being manipulated by the algorithms that govern AI. I don't want to be like a super alarmist here, but depth of reasoning and knowledge is basically to me all that should be taught in school. And I worry that it's being completely erased in many of our schools. And if kids don't have the depth of knowledge to grapple with complex issues in an in depth way, then we're in trouble going forward because basically we're just going to have two emoticons running against each other in elections going forward.

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